#anti willowgenic

[tales-from-syscord]

Was in server that banned all Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss talk. You know seems fine makes sense right.

they tried to ban alters too tho 😀😀

we got told our Alastor had to find a new fac claim because his was of the characters (it was a cosplay of him in which the person was only a Silhouette with where circle for eye) and when we tried to fight that it didnt even show the chatacter we got alled a zionist for "supporting Vivzie" (we aren't and we dont) and almost got banned.

They also argued that "alters can look however they wabt so they should just change how they look" and yeah they can but also some people aren't read for source sepration or are sperated BUT WANT TO LOOK LIKE THAT???

- Zomb/Re

That's so.. just. I hate the hypocrisy around "alters aren't source." Sorry y'all had to go through that dude syscord SUCKS lmao

#tales from syscord #tales from cann1bal-club #tales from the queue #anti zionisim #vivziepop #hazbin hotel #helluva boss #Alastor #face claims #face claim #anti endogenic #anti willowgenic #anti endo #anti map #source seperation #introjects aren't source

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

I saw a post that said something along the lines of "it's ableist to not support creating headmates because it uses the same skills as learning a language" (I don't remember exactly what the post said or who op was)

And just really quick question

HOW IS THAT ABLEIST

That implies there is a disability. And, if anything, creating headmates ON PURPOSE is like- the opposite of a disability.

Like dawg what the fuck

#traumagenic did #did alter #did system #actually did #traumagenic system #did osdd #endos dni #endos not for you #anti endogenic #fuck endos #anti endo #anti tulpa #anti willowgenic #It Talks #It Disagrees

[proparaship-the-second]

What's wrong with "Endo" systems? I don't pay attention to plural discourse or anything like that and wouldn't even know where to find it. But from my small understanding of it, the argument I heard against it is "plurality only comes from trauma" which I mean if someone doesn't have that trauma but is like that, what's the situation? Is the statement to disprove their internal experience as if one also knows how they feel? Lack of scientific research? Even though so many things are misunderstood in psychology and others and even DID and others are still very misunderstood. I just don't understand the argument because people cannot feel others feelings or experiences, so to know what they are enduring or how it effects them isn't really possible. I'm not making an argument here. I don't know this stuff. Like I said, I'm very out of the know for this stuff. Just small information I have seen from time to time.

I’ll keep this short.

You can only form systems through childhood trauma. It’s scientifically proven.

You can’t be a system through other means. It’s impossible and no science backs it up.

It’s stealing of others cultures because if you research it was never connected to plurality and it was actually a practice where they were trying to be closer to ones deity and themselves

Researching the history behind endo systems it was a term to spite real systems

Thinking about it logically how to form a system it’s just pretending to be this other person, fully believe that you’re this different person, forcing your brain to dissociate, and other steps I’m forgetting but that’s just not healthy and forcing delusions.

It’s a sign of another disorder or just not remembering their trauma so they should seek a therapist and psychiatrist.

Overall not a good thing. Almost as radqueer bad.

#anti endogenic #anti endo #anti willowgenic #endos dni #not endo safe #dni endos #syscourse #sysblr #anti radqueer

[cryptic-systemplates]

Hello! May we make a request for a collective intro? Lunar eclipse themed if that makes any sense?

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[bunnluvie]

a question for willogenic systems

why??????????

#did #osdd #actually did #system #did system #did sys #osdd sys #osdd system #traumagenic #actually traumagenic #traumagenic system #traumagenic sys #willowgenic #willogenic #endogenic #endo #pro endo #anti endo #tags don’t reflect views #they’re just for reach #this is supposed to be funny

[anti-endo-safe-space]

It kinda rubs us the wrong way when someone says "traumagenic system". You mean, a system? plain and simple?

Because "traumagenic" implies you can be a system by other means that are not trauma, what is... obviously wrong.

What are even those "-genic" things mean. What do you mean :3genic? Willowgenic?? Sillygenic??? What do you mean programmed system????

I will never understand those terms endos use. I swear, it's all just so confusing.

— Wysteria, from Ballad Of The Royals.

Hey Wysteria, agree with everything you said EXCEPT for programmed systems. From what we understand, those tend to be a type of system where they've gone through extreme cult like abuse and it causes a split. We're not experts but it's something to look into. Those are a legit system

Also we use it here simply to make it known we're anti-endo

#anti endo #endos dni #actually did #anti endo supporter #did system #endos aren't real #endos fuck off #actually dissociative #actually system #osdd system #plural system #actually plural #traumagenic system #traumagenic #actually traumagenic #hate using endo terms but in this case it gets attention #dissociative identity disorder #osddid #did osdd #polyfrag system #did alter #alters #did #system #dissociative system #sysblr #syscourse #syscource #syscussion #sysconversation

[antiendovents]

wanna things about osddid be normal again.

i mean, wanna being anti-endo be default option. wanna term system be for traumagenic systems only (as it was in the beginning, because it's a medical term for people with did/osdd). wanna most spaces be anti-endo. wanna spaces for systems be anti-endo by default. wanna other spaces be anti-endo by default. wanna don't have to prove everyone that system can't be endogenic. wanna don't be called "sysmed" or "traumascum" and compared with transmeds for stating actual facts.

wanna people be normal about osddid like they would be about other disorders. why icd n dsm suddenly stop working when it's about osddid? why everyone agrees that you can't get disorder by your will, but if it's osddid, "willowgenic systems" are completely fine?

wanna osddid be taken seriously. think endos are so popular because a lot of people don't understand what osddid is. don't understand that's actual disorders. underestimate. simplify. romanticize.

destigmatization doesn't mean "don't take this disorder seriously". but some (a lot of, actually) people get it like this. like osddid are some funny silly quirky things like "friends in your head".

(and it's not a blame of people with osddid who are trying to cope with their disorders by being silly about them. it's completely a blame of people who prefer trivialize, simplify n romanticize disorders instead of became normal about people with them).

sorry it became long n incoherent at some point.

yeah. it fucking sucks, theres a lot of double standards. anyone else using a medical term for something they dont have (e.g an allistic person saying they have special interests, or someone who doesn't have OCD claiming to have it because they organised one thing) is told off, but when it comes to DID/OSDD no one fucking cares. its as if they don't see it as an actual disorder (and half of the time they dont). we are tired of having to make sure our system friends and system spaces aren't pro-endo. we just want to exist without people trying to push into our community just because they think that being a system is all fun and games so they want to "try it out".

#anti endo #actually did #did #plural #did system #endos dni #alters #system #endos fuck off #did osdd

[sorrowful-figure]

Welcome to our blog!

We’re the Tributary System, a truamagenic (questioning mixed origin) fictive heavy system of 70+! We’re endogenic, tulpagenic, willowgenic, and other origin safe! We’re autistic, physically disabled, heavily traumatized, and have NPD, we may post vents here, or content that may have heavy themes, they will be properly tagged!

Some interests we have are..

Bungou Stray Dogs(both Manga, and Anime), Minecraft, psychology, cooking, Splatoon, Omori, and more!!

Our DNI

Do not interact if you are..

Fatphobic, Homophobic, Transphobic, Xenophobic, Anti-self dx, Anti-neopronouns, Anti-Xenogender, believe in Narc Abuse (you are allowed to interact if you’re asking and respectful), anti-endo, victim blame, TERF’s, I will add as needed

Our ‘thin ice’

You’re on thin ice if..

You think anyone with a personality disorder is inherently bad, proship, radqueer, thirteen and under, 25 and over, I will add as needed

Extra about us!

You can dm us at any time!! We dont bite ^_^, we have Simply Plural, Discord, and Twitter, you’re allowed to ask for these, too! Please if we accidentally overstep boundaries we probably don’t realize, try to talk to us about it and remind us before assuming we did it on purpose! Overall we’re friendly, and happy to meet new people right now!!

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-Figure/❤️‍🩹 [He/fog/mist]

#intro post #pro endo #plural #npd #endo friendly #endo safe #actually npd #actually plural #looking for moots #looking for friends #lgbtqia #mogai safe #mogai friendly #lgbt friendly #xenogender friendly #neopronoun friendly #blog intro

[system-of-a-feather]

Hi, I was wondering (from your post about questions going from anti-endo to pro-endo),

Did your entire system become pro-endo? We've been slowly going down the pro-endo path, but we still have a handful of anti-endo parts who don't seem to be changing their views at all.

How did that go for you all?

Yeah our whole system is pro-endo at this point but a lot of us swapped sides on our own time and terms. A lot of our parts were very "I really dont care and dont want to engage" or just relatively uninterested with a lean so those guys kinda just changed opinion as the more opinionated parts changed opinion

I (Riku dominant part of the brain) was one of the last parts to genuinely change our opinions cause I honestly had some pretty bad experiences with endo-adjacent communities (and felt it might be dangerous to suggest that there was value in that community which was a trauma response that is valid but harmful and I had to work through that) and am the most research loving part so it took a lot more understanding into the depth of how research works for me to look at the theory of structural dissociation properly and with nuance. Plus I was / still probably am the part that has the most catching up to do on processing the fact we are POC and our experiences with it, so going further into Buddhist practice and integration and chatting with other parts made me get a larger fuller image and that changed my view a lot

But unironically, the main thing that really pushed a lot of the system as a whole from endo-neutral (which we were for a hot minute) to loud and proud pro-endo was the good faith the endo community gave us regarding the tulpacourse topic and the genuine sway that we saw in regards to taking criticism from POC. Cause I forget who it was, I think maybe @/artisticdysfunction (I could be entirely wrong so Im not @) that commented something along the lines of "hey if we can agree and acknowledge thst its appropriative can we agree willowgenic are actually a thing" or something and XIV went "Ya know what deal, I will fully change from neutral to pro if the endogenic community can show that it can take criticism and Ill push to humor it more"

Which I (Riku dominant brain) was SUPER hesitsnt to follow along with and so I made some boundaries of not going too ham on our system account for my own comfort and in exchange Ill humor and think about the topic more but like, it was honestly really hard and uncomfortable for me at first but honestly, XIV was right and so while it was originally somewhat a transactional alliance, its very much genuine at this point

But yeah tldr it took time and each part changed views over time. Its been like a few year thing

(And to be fair, our system used to also be relatively right wing anti-SJW Shapiro fans like AGES ago so this wasnt our first team switch over time)

#alter: riku #alter: xiv #alter: fei #syscourse #syscourse tw #proendo #pro-endo #endo safe

[tales-from-syscord]

I just got warned from a server because people in chat were talking about trucks and I said “two trucks” the reason was “mentioning nsfw in general” whaaatt

?????

#tales from syscord #tales from anon #tales from the queue #trucks :D #trucks #did #anti endo #discord #community #endos dni #endo dni #osdd #dni endos #anti endogenic #stupid people #weird rules #anti willowgenic #anti map

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

Willowgenics/transplurals really be "fake it till you make it"

#did alter #traumagenic did #actually did #did osdd #did system #traumagenic system #endos dni #anti willowgenic #anti endo #anti endogenic #anti transplural #transplural #anti rq #anti radqueer #radqueer #jokes about radqueers #It Disagrees #It Talks

[protectingtulpas]

Okay so im an (now ex) anti-endo (i still feel uncomfortable around endos but i guess now that not valid) who discover that im an tulpa.

For more context im the host of a complex polyfrag DID system who always belive endos jist fake for attention and hurt the real system comunity (traumagenic systems) and im just "exist" since this year 2020 i got a blackout of 2 years until 2023 and what the rest of the system tell me when i ask was "you got a colapse and lock yourself in your room for two years and fall in dormancy, when you finally get out you was so confused that you split in the fragment youre now and Gaby and so you cannot remember what happen because of that and Miyamoto (an alter friend of mine) was the host for that time" i got not reason to doubt about it an they have no reason to lie, they say the same thing to all our friends and even to my girlfriend.

I was looking arround of some old papers and pdfs and i find out that they have a diary and it was pretty old and one page have my sigh but the date its supposed to be in the time i was locked and some other papers was the same or some alters mention me like if i was there like really there.

Then i finally discover a paper with the tittle "[My name] (oc lore)

And pretty detailed pages about the process of creation of a tulpa and a character itself and descriptions very accurated about my body and personality plus a background history that its exactly like my memorys and thing about my gender and sexuality also accurate (i get offended for that because i really struggle with that) and and alter called Axel/Alex who i know he exist because and romantic history of the system while i was out but i supposed he was just a fragment of another alter and i discover that he was one of the "original alters" (i mean the result of the first split) and he created me like A TULPA, he say in his notes that the rest of the system is traumagenic and he discover them in therapy but whatever it means we have traumagenic origins but as long as i know im THE ONLY TULPA/ENDOGENIC/WILLOWGENIC ALTER (HEADMATE???) And one of the few that are anti-endo (the big problem there is that were least than 5 and those alters are my friends (probably not anymore)

I really need help of a tulpa to understand this because i have so many cuestions about this and i dont have so many tulpa friends exactly and i guess i have to change my mindset and i was wonder i can have your help...

Oh wow, yeah this is a ton, thank you for reaching out for real! Sorry it took a hot sec to respond, I've been blocked from front a lot myself so I wanted to be in tune enough to give this the response it deserves.

Alrightie, so we have P-DID (we're mixed origin too), so we don't have as much dissociation as y'all, but we do have a bit of experience with host changes and people blacking out/going dormant for waay longer than expected, so that's where we're coming from here. Especially with memory barriers so high, host switches can be really disorienting and some pretty big things can be forgotten depending on the system. It sounds like during the time there was a big host switch, you got created by Axel/Alex, but due to u being affected by the inherent dissociative barriers of your system, you forgot your early memories of being created - as evidenced by things being signed by you and mentions of you that you don't remember, if I'm reading this correctly. That's a lot to take in, but it's good to have all this evidence you can bring up to your alters in a discussion about it if you're able. I know it's probably freaking you out, but just asking the alters that mention you/worked on you in the papers instead of accusing them will do a lot to help with resistance and all. I'm sure they had a good reason for not saying anything to you.

That brings me to my second point; if a good chunk of you are intensely anti-endo, there's a good chance your memories of your creation/origin are blocked behind dissociative barriers because that knowledge woulda been too much for your system to process and bare at the time. Make sure to consider that in what ya do- try not to dump all the pressure on yourself, if you put yourself into a spiral about all this or try to force your other alters to do a 180 it might end up counterproductive. You're their equal, don't ever forget that; take it slow and steady. Things'll end up alright. On the flipside of this, there's a reason you exist, and you were created because somebody (Axel/Alex?) WANTED you here, and that's important. You have just as much a right to be here, and it's not a bad thing that you exist or to challenge the collective opinion of how things work. That's what growing and changing is all about!!

You don't hafta jump full force into the endogenic community of course, take your time and don't overwhelm yourself. I think you'll enjoy a term we're extremely attached to: traumaendo systems are systems that experience both traumagenic and endogenic origins in one way or another, and the label is focused on the specific unique experiences we go through while straddling both worlds. Tulpamancy is particular is controversial because it started out as a separate community developing their own skills before coming into contact with the greater plural community, so you'll find that a lot of terms within it are different and stuff. Additionally, you'll probably run into a lotta controversies, specifically the infamous one about tulpamancy's etymological origin, so make sure to keep your head on your shoulders and put research and objectivity first. Don't forget that we've asked people actually of the culture about this, and that the etymological origin is of an open religion that encourages their meditations be shared and adapted. People will make up anything to try and keep us hated, but don't let it stop you. You're not hurting anyone by existing as u are.

And lastly? Take care of urself. There're a lot of little intricacies I can't predict because everything is different from system to system, but if you pay attention and work as a team with your alters, you'll start to see patterns and understand yourself more. You might find that you operate a bit differently than them, you might not, but regardless, there's no shame in your existence. If you have any more questions, go ahead and shoot me a DM privately- I'll see what I can do. Good luck out there, stay true to yourself

#tulpamancy help #mixed origin #ask to tag #dormancy tw #plural community

[cryptic-systemplates]

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[theparanormalcollective]

About Us

[pt: About Us]

We are a Mixed Origin System with roughly 200 Headmates. We're both traumagenic and endogenic, as well as some other terms.

We have no set DNI on this account, but please note:

We support endogenic systems, willowgenic systems, selfshippers and yume shipping, good faith labels (such as mspec lesbians/gays/straights, lesboy/turigirls, etc), and probably some other stuff.

We don't and never will support radqueers or proshippers. We can't stop you from interacting, but if you don't want to interact with "antis" then don't interact with us.

The same goes for anti-endos. If you don't want to interact with endos, then don't interact with any of our stuff. Follow your own DNI.

Anyways, we own multiple blogs that are somewhat active; which include:

@plural-this-user-is (Userbox Account)

@paranormalsylvi (Hosts Account)

@spirits-gender-coining (Coining Account)

@pluralasking (QnA Account)

Below the Cut are Userboxes that we made that fit us / our experiences as a collective:

#plurality #plural #system #endo system #endogenic system #endogenic #pro endogenic #endo friendly #endo safe #pro endo #plural system #system stuff #pinned.png

[anti-endo-safe-space]

omg i have been dyyying to say this but if i say this on my blog i will get burned at the stake by endos & supporters ;-;

imo, if being 'endogenic' just meant someone with a CDD who didn't form from trauma i'd be like 'hey.. as far as current science goes, that has not been supported as something that can happen, however if your therapist & whoever else diagnosed you can agree that you *do not have any trauma* yet have a CDD then i guess you're fine & i'm okay to interact with you'

but that's not what they usually mean. it's now an umbrella term & heavily associated with willowgenic, xeno-origins, western """tulpamancy""" & other froms of non-disordered, non-medical & non-traumagenic plurality. which is not my experience at all & therefore it makes me uncomfortable that they're still using medical language, being in CDD spaces, etc.

that's what i have a problem with! & that first type of endo that i talked about 99.999999% of the time engages with & supports the second group of endos strongly.

i hope that makes sense...? thanks for this blog xoxo gossip girl

That's why even our personal blog is firmly anti-endo (most support we ever got was from our anti-endo post lol).

Exactly! We're firm believers in science, and does psychology always know everything? No. I mean, we're autistic (which if in future posts we don't say it, some of us like Lucie hate to label himself as autistic because some of us (like me, Reg) are affected much stronger than others) and that wasn't a diagnosis until the 1940s. Even then it didn't start getting regularly diagnosed for decades AFTER that. But when studies and psychology have shown yeah you need trauma? I mean agree to disagree with them, please don't interact with our pages due to our issues with endos. We won't hate on you, don't hate on us (we had several endos who told us to kill ourselves for being anti-endo and we deserved our trauma)

I'm sorry but we will DIE on the hill that willogenic and shit are fake as hell (which we hate to use tulpagenic because tulpamancy is a very closed practice to certain regions of the Buddhist faith).

It makes sense don't worry Gossip Girl. If anyone gives you shit, we're here to vent to or ask advice, we don't care.

We've decided we'll add this to the end of all our posts due to a comment we had of "ha imagine this taking off", endos aren't valid or real. Try to come after us with that and we're going to just laugh at you and block you.

#anti endo #did system #dissociative system #osdd system #plural system #polyfrag system #sysblr #system #actually system #actually dissociative #did alter #actually plural #actually did #anti endo supporter #endos aren't real #endos dni #endos fuck off

[antiendovents]

some (pro-)endos try to look inclusive, look harmless. they make work to look harmless in eyes of strangers/newcomers. they do it on purpose. but it's not my main point.

when was a newcomer in osddid community, one of the first things i got to know was "endogenic" systems. and because lack of knowledge abt forming systems n how osddid works, i thought: hmm, sounds reasonable. (there weren't info abt "willowgenic" n "tulpagenic" n other really weird n obviously illogical shit, so that info could really look reasonable for newcomer who don't know much abt these disorders). i was lucky. soon got a good friend who told me actual scientific info abt osddid n why endos are harmful. because before that talk i thought: no matter whether endos real or not, there could be actual traumagenic systems who don't remember their trauma n if we exclude endos, we will exclude them too. and this was the most important argument for me. still had some critical thinking so found the idea of non-traumagenic systems doubtful, but thought: they are harmless, n there can be actual systems who still need support. better if include them, then if exclude someone who need help n resources. but was wrong.

when said: "but if endos really can't exist, there still can be systems who don't remember their trauma or are in denial! they need to be included!"

my friend answered: "if there weren't endos, systems who don't remember their trauma or are in denial wouldn't be misinformed. they would recognize they have trauma and it's real, they just can't remember or underestimate it."

and it's true. they were absolutely right. n i understood that n stopped support endos n their ideas. am really glad now that wasn't active endo supporter/promoter. never spread their ideas, never was in their communities, never talk abt it with anyone except said friend.

because they're harmful. they encourage denial, they promote anti-recovery. later get to know abt more harmful things like cultural appropriation, glorification, actual faking, invalidation of others' traumas to convince them they are actually endos, n so on. but even the first two are enough for them to be harmful.

they are inherently harmful. because the idea of "endogenic" systems hinders recovery. (n have no scientific proofs).

n the worst part? it wasn't tumblr or tiktok or instagram. i found this info in local social media of my country in my native language. where info abt osddid is really rare. where awareness abt these disorders is incredibly low. n endos are already there, spread their misinfo.

so. "endogenic" system is harmful idea by itself. n the community is dangerous because it's large, it spreads misinfo, n they promote themself all over the world.

yeah, as much as I do feel bad for systems that are only confused and in denial calling themselves endogenic, they're harmful. They spread so much misinformation, which only causes more systems to be confused, to feel fake, ect. They also stop recovery, as you mentioned. Some of it has probably given singlets an excuse to pretend to be systems too ((willowgenics for an example)) and not to mention how much they steal from us. Our terms, our spaces, ect.

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