#bumblby critical

[dragynkeep]

Why do you think it would've made sense for freezerburn to become canon?

i think they've just had more of an interesting dynamic together, complete with moments where they actually seem to have these in depth talks that we're begging for from the show itself.

weiss is a major part of yang's healing journey when they finally reunite, weiss is also the only one that yang doesn't blame for leaving her because that's not what weiss did & she can acknowledge that. when we finally get their reunification in v5, it's chock full of romantic tropes including "rescuing the princess", "meeting the family", "hand touch to calm your lover down" & the entire scene of raven & yang has weiss as a consistent there to keep her grounded.

even when ruby, yang's own sister, doesn't know how to handle yang's trauma & upset surrounding beacon & blake: weiss does. weiss allows her a space to vent out her feelings before reminding yang that she is there for her.

& it doesn't go just one way, yang is also the only person weiss opens up to about her family history before they go to atlas. yang was also pretty much the only one willing to go toe to toe with weiss on her behaviours that weren't acceptable without having to put her own identity on the line: yang stood up to weiss's overbearing nature in the earlier volumes because she could.

the communication between these two has always been top notch, especially since they were chosen as the doubles for the beacon tournament & even after the vytal festival when blake, yang's supposed love interest, doubts yang & believes that she would be capable of brutally maiming someone: weiss doesn't. weiss immediately gets on blake for even entertaining the idea & that loyalty never wavers in the show, as well as vice versa.

there have been other things like their romantic coded playful bickering in regards to the dance, yang & weiss always seeming to gravitate towards one another whenever they're in a scene together & other things in their designs as well as yellow / blue / white just being the perfect colour scheme. yang's original colour scheme also featured blue instead of purple.

even when you contrast the songs of this ship vs the "canon" ship: looking at "home" vs "all that matters" or even "worthy" in the most recent volume, the tones are completely different.

home plays when yang & weiss reunite & weiss's knight, the protector in a time of great stress, practically floats away because she knows that she's safe with yang. the song itself talks about feeling safety in the other person, finding that feeling of home & security, of not having to wonder or worry about what will happen next.

conversely: all that matters is a song of a traumatized person abandoning their boundaries so the person they cared for won't further harm them emotionally. it's laying down all her self respect & care just so she can try & cling onto them. even the follow up of "worthy" only seems to double down on this in now both of them, that have been so conversely toxic with each other in this relationship versus with other people, are now "worthy" of this love which is such a damaging viewpoint to take.

so yeah, all in all i think freezerburn thrives because it's not written consciously as a canon relationship with romantic undertones, but they are there nonetheless & they're more convincing than whatever we got for the main ship. which only seems to echo what miles has said in a recent cameo where they find writing romance "hard" which. sounds like a skill issue to me lmao.

#rwby #rwde #freezerburn #yang xiao long #weiss schnee #yang x weiss #weiss x yang #bumblby critical #blacksun critical #ais.txt #answered #q

[lucky303]

i can't really say much else, this sums up the toxicity of the RWBY fandom

#rwde #rwby #rwby critical #rwby criticism #anti bumblby #toxic fndm

[twilightguardian]

#rwby #kaisershounen #bumblby #media criticism #friend art #Youtube

[kitkatopinions]

You want to know what I think about why they haven't confirmed Yang as queer yet or had either Yang or Blake explicitly say anything about be attracted to women (unlike our "hetero" characters)? Because the writers know the bees are the beginning and end of their gay representation. We can have Arkos, Renora, some Rosegarden and maybe some White Knight now (bc framing), but when it comes to sapphic couples, the bees are it. And they see no problem with that either.

As I'm answering this ask, I will be heavily criticizing RW/BY and Bumble/by. Fans of the bees, please beware. If you can't stand to see criticism, just move along.

Here's what we have for confirmation of attraction to the opposite sex from our main characters:

Weiss asks out Neptune. Blake goes on a date with Sun and she and Adam had a prior romantic entanglement. Yang openly leers at shirtless men and verbally says that she approves of their shirtlessness. Jaune is romantically interested in Weiss and kisses Pyrrha. Nora kisses Ren and openly says she's in love with him. Pyrrha kisses Jaune. Ren 'melts into' the kiss with Nora and talks about his feelings for her. Qrow goes on about how he was undone by the sight of a female waitress's skirt length. That's eight out of ten main characters (the other two being Ruby and Oscar,) and if you count Sun and Penny as main characters, that's nine out of twelve because Sun asked out Blake.

The majority of this happened in season two. In the second season of the show, people were asking out people of the opposite sex, and the only characters that didn't have their interest in the opposite sex confirmed within the first three seasons were Ren and Nora. When Ren and Nora kissed after they were hinted at being romantically interested in each other for seasons, they were far and away not the only main characters to have confirmed attraction to the opposite sex and weren't even the first kiss between characters of the opposite sex. If someone wanted to prove that the ship between Jaune and Weiss was going to happen, they don't have to say 'Jaune looks at her, he was upset when she almost died, they go out with a group one time,' they can say 'Jaune has confirmed romantic attraction towards her' and 'At the very least, Weiss has expressed canonical interest in men.''

Here's what we have for confirmation of attraction to the same sex from our main characters:

Nothing. Literally nothing.

We have two very small side characters who appeared in a couple episodes of season six, a villainous character who is in love with her former friend who is described by her voice actor as straight in what looks like official RW/BY merch, and a transgender character who has only existed for two seasons as a more minor character. And then we have Blake and Yang, who have been coded as queer for years now with no canon confirmation so that even though they're clearly meant to be perceived as romantic by queer people, homophobes can pretend it's not happening and Yang can still describe Blake as her sister in side content like video games while Rooster Teeth the company with a huge history of bigotry can sell pride shirts. This is behind the curve of heavily censored cartoons made by big companies like Cartoon Network and Disney. There's no excuse.

When people say that there's nothing queerbaity about Bumble/by and that it's just a slowburn like Re/nora and therefore we should all say nothing about it, they're really ignoring that Re/nora is the exception, they were some of the only main characters who hadn't expressed confirmed interest in the opposite sex, while even Ruby and Penny had seemed to want to talk about 'cute boys' in season one. And even Re/nora at this point is far more confirmed than bumble/by. People like saying that Bumble/by is a slowburn, but that doesn't mean that Blake and Yang couldn't have been confirmed as queer looong ago. Like, people act like Jim and Pam had zero confirmed romantic interest in each other or any other people until they got together and were shown dating in season four. Most slowburns don't look like this.

And people also are pretending like no outside meta matters at all, whether that's the history of a lack of representation for queer characters or considering the company's history of bigotry or the biphobia of one of the creators and lead writers Miles Luna. Despite the fact that there's no queer main characters in ten years, despite the fact that Blake and Yang's progression is unnatural because their tender moments are not allowed to be backed by even a discussion of feelings, despite the fact that the first male character who was coded queer was brutally murdered, despite the fact that there was wild heteronormativity in the early seasons where several characters just casually talked about their attraction to the opposite sex while the creator of RW/BY said that he'd be willing to include queer ships eventually maybe if he thought they were earned, despite the fact that Blake was described as straight by her VA as late as 2019, despite the fact that RW/BY is the biggest money maker for a company that is not only seemingly always struggling with funding projects but also constantly having controversies often about displaying bigotry and needing to get back into people's good graces, despite the fact that they've tried to sell Pride merch and Bumble/by merch that said like 'maybe they're a couple,' despite all of this... No one is allowed to suggest that there might have been intentionally stringing queer audiences along, or that it's a bit suspicious, or anything like that. No queer person is allowed to side eye a bigoted company. Because then we're 'ignoring the slowburn' and just being really unfair to Miles Luna the man who told an 'anecdote' about how hot he thinks watching girls make out is. No queer person is allowed to think that Bumble/by is badly done, because we'll literally get attacked, no matter how much we might like tons of other queer ships, including the canon queer ships from other shows like Adventure Time, Owl House, or Steven Universe.

I think that it is because Blake and Yang are likely to be the end-all-be-all as far as their confirmed queer characters, I think that's why fans are so defensive. Blake and Yang as a ship had juice before volume six and had a lot of people who shipped them, I'm not saying that the only reason they've been shipped is because they're likely to actually be confirmed. But. There's a habit in most fandoms to take what's either the only confirmed queer ship or the queer ship that's most likely to be confirmed and then instead of asking why there aren't more queer ships, people start acting like any fan who doesn't ship it or has any problem with it is trying to hurt queer people. Like if the content creators hear that the ship might not be popular, they just won't do it. Like we'll be punished for not being grateful for the scraps. So fans take it upon themselves to be knights and guardians for these ships, because instead of having grievances against the content creators who make queer ships so rare (and sometimes, badly done,) fans often seem to act like other fans are the enemy for not liking the one ship we have or might get. There's this element of...

A lot of rwde posters who care about queer rep wouldn't care very much about the relationship between Blake and Yang if they weren't the end-all-be-all of the main character rep in the show. If Weiss and Ruby or Weiss and Penny had been a thing, or Jaune and Neptune or Jaune and Ren or something, or other queer ships involving the main characters existed, then Blake and Yang's own status as queer wouldn't be as important because they wouldn't be the only (coded as) queer characters. Like, Lapis Lazuli and Peridot in Steven Universe weren't in an official relationship, but we had Ruby and Sapphire, and Pearl had been in love with Rose Quartz, so I at the very least didn't feel strung along by their 'roomies' language.

Another thing to note is that once again, what I at least care about is whether or not Blake and Yang are confirmed as queer, not whether or not they're in a relationship. People accuse rwde posters of not being happy with a slowburn queer ship and that we think that queer relationships should all be rapid paced (the defense against comparisons to Disney's the Owl House or Arcane having Vi out and out say that she thinks Caitlyn is hot.) But in actuality, this is willfully ignoring that they could've been confirmed as queer without getting in a relationship, just like Jaune talking to Ren about his feelings for Weiss doesn't mean they're destined to be together, and Weiss asking out Neptune doesn't mean they need to have an emotional journey with each other and have a passionate kiss at the end of the show. Yang could've gone to the Vytal dance with Velvet instead of with no one. Blake could've had feelings for Ruby before she had feelings for Yang instead of going on a date with Sun. Ruby could've had feelings for Penny before the Fall of Beacon the way that Pyrrha had feelings for Jaune. Neptune could've had a crush on Jaune during the Vytal dance, instead of having only turned down Weiss because he couldn't dance. Clover could've actually been confirmed as queer and wound up in a relationship with Qrow. But instead all we have is... Ten years of nothing but side characters who don't get much screentime and two main characters nuzzling foreheads and a bunch of fans screaming at us for saying 'we want more.'

It's disappointing.

#rwde #anti-rwby #anti-bumblby #anti-bumblebee #anti-bumbleby #anti-bb #anti blake x yang #anti yang x blake #anti bees #rwby criticism #anti rooster teeth

[lunatriense]

The bees

Sooo yyyyyeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhh… the bees…

They're terrible. I'm sorry, but they are. In the show.

Angry, possessive girl with massive abandonment issues loves girl whose instinct is to run away because of trauma from her angry, possessive ex? That's not romantic, that's toxic like nerve gas. These two are the living embodiment of each other's triggers.

That said, in fanon I've seen the bees written very well! They can be a good couple, but they need to actually address and work through the ways they hurt each other, and instead of that, in the show CRWBY goes the exact opposite direction, intensifying the toxic traits and calling it sweet and romantic and lovey.

Ask me about a ship!

#blake belladonna #yang xiao long #bumblby #rwby #rwde #anti bmblb #anti bumbleby #anti bumblebee #bmblb crit #bmblb critical #bumbleby crit #bumbleby critical #bumblebee crit #bumblebee critical #answers #memes #anti crwby #anti mkek #crwby bashing #crwby critical #mkek critical

[lilithfairen]

Geez, do you really think every person who criticizes RWBY is automatically a misogynist? Because there are a lot of people with actual, legitimate criticism of the show who aren't (several of whom you've accused of being misogynists, actually). People like you are the reason why I can't talk about my dislike of Bumblby or Bridget in public.

I'm replying to this only to highlight the fact that you started off talking about "misogyny" and then abruptly switch over to LGBTQ+ characters, including a character who isn't even in RWBY.

(Also, no, not all RWBY "critics" are misogynists, but many of them uncritically repeat and defend "criticisms" that are entirely rooted in misogyny, because hatedom is all about being entirely uncritical of your fellow "critics".)

#ask

[phoenix-fell]

Anon from earlier, I wasn't too happy with the direction some things took in volumes 4/5. And while yes there was plenty of valid criticism in the tag, it did feel like there was an undercurrent of homophobia/misogyny, I figured I was reading too much into things. I was, and still am, someone who loves bumblby so I did often wonder where all these alleged "wasps" were. The reason I dropped out of watching rwby/frequenting the rw/de tag was getting kinda burnt out on the show and the tag being a fair bit toxic. Now when I get recommended rw/de posts it's always the most batshit takes such as: "Yang is a bad sister cause she's not spending 100% of her time taking care of Ruby". You know writing all this out I'm reminded the tipping point was like "It's actually misogynistic to not like Raven, women aren't obligated to be parents.". Which there's so much to unpack there, cause it's one of those arguments that tries to take the moral high ground by ignoring some obvious facts. Like yes women shouldn't feel obligated to be a mom and she shouldn't have felt obligated to have a child. However there is 1. No proof she felt pressured to have Yang 2. She is a mom, so yes she is obligated to be a mom, just like Tai is obligated to be a father 3. What Do They Not Have Abortion On Remnant? Sorry for how long this ask was and the rant at the end, I guess I just had to get that off my chest.

Thanks for insight, I was always curious as to what it was people were looking for on the tag - I do feel for those like you that do have valid criticism and want to discuss it in a safe environment and end up being overrun with toxicity/homophobia/misogyny. Regardless of how much you love something, it's okay to discuss different avenues it could have taken or critique - heck, it's art at the end of the day. While I'm still able to enjoy it overall, I have some varying opinions on 4/5 myself. But I can definitely see where the burnout would come from. The 'wasps' lore baffles me, as someone who stumbled down the RW/DE tag accidentally when I first got here, there's a lot of folk chanting about 'wasps got their way' and they make it sound as though the writers are writing to appease a picketing majority, whilst also demanding they banish the ship (and clearly unable to see the irony in doing so).

Don't worry about the rant! We've all been there. I see those posts pop up too. The Yang I could rant about all day because not being obsessed with your little sister doesn't make you a bad sister yourself, but the second one - you're bang on. A lot of the posts I see try to take a perceived moral high ground, but they also base their arguments on such little information as well. It's just a very strange rabbit hole to fall down. As I say, it was one of the first things I saw when I joined and it was like emerging from a fever dream when I eventually found the RWBY tag.

#phoenix.answered

[yinyangofnevermore]

Oops, didn’t read your last post before sending that last ask

Sorry about bothering you, I didn’t mean to bring your mood down and I’m glad you got what you wanted out of bumblby, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if I can be satisfied lol

You’re good, my friend. You didn’t bring my mood down. As I mentioned in the last response, I just don’t know what all you want out of it. Sometimes on here it can be tough to tell.

We know fandoms attract all sorts. And RWBY, in particular seems to get a lot of hate in general. Not that, that’s what I’m suggesting you’re doing. And not that some of that criticism wasn’t legit earned but 🤷🏼 y’know. Internet.

And thanks! I definitely think they handled Bumbleby really well. Even if they made us wait SO. FUCKING. LONG. for it 😂

And, for what it’s worth, I do really hope that they manage to do things in such a way that you get at least SOME satisfaction out of it. Truly. For you and also for the rest of us. Cuz I know you’re not the only one who wants that. I certainly do too. Though perhaps a little less passionately 😅 But that is a big part of the story that’s still left open. And I know a lot of us would like to see it handled well.

We shall see! Fingers crossed!

#rwby #rwby v9 #rwby v9 spoilers #anon #asks #yyon

[schneet]

Ship chart :D

#rwby #yang xiao long #blake belladonna #bumblby #please note that these are just headcanons #i love them so much lmao #and no i will not take criticism thank u 😻

[dkmshaboogie]

I’m back and posting!(Two days late but still posting!)

Here’s the next chapter of in those eyes of sky and ocean blue. I can’t believe I’m 6 chapters in already! My mind is blown!

Thank you to anyone that reads or comments, or anything, I really do appreciate it!!

#beaujester #jestergard #critical role #critical role campaign 2 #beau/jester #This is the longest running fic I've ever posted #and I think the most hits now? #I know there's a bumblby fic that hit very close to where this one is heading #like i try to imagine 1000 people reading it and i'm overwhelmed #even just #like 60 people coming up to me and telling me they enjoyed it makes my heart squeeze #if you read this far into my rambles #thank you so much #i truly do appreciate you #and as always keep rocking keep rolling

[nerdsideofthemedia]

Your rwby confession seemed like interesting if not controversial thinkpiece until I finished it and it hit me that you said bumblby was v3. As soon as you realized Monty probably didn't plan for the ship you said "fuck his craft, his technique, his passion, his ideas, fuck the trailers, fuck the songs, fuck everything before v3. He, the dead creator of rwby was simply burdening the writers with his ideas on rwby and fight animation is not a way to tell a story in this animation based story loved for it's fighting. When Monty only won people over with his insane passion for animation. I just have to remember that none of you shippers are of a sound mind.

"it hit me that you said bumblby was v3. As soon as you realized Monty probably didn't plan for the ship you said "fuck his craft, his technique, his passion, his ideas, fuck the trailers, fuck the songs, fuck everything before v3."

No, I didn't. I do not know if bmblb was part of Monty's plans or not, but:

1) the idea that Monty was anti-bmblb requires proof. The thing I said was that he was opened to it and decided to test the water in V2. Unless you’re saying he was dead before V2. Weird, I thought he was even involved in a lot of stuff even in V3.

2) Monty was open about being in favor of LGBTQ+ and when asked a question if there were LGBTQ+ characters in the show, he answered "maybe they're already there"

3) there is literally a part before V1 where Arryn asks if she can reveal her character is bi and they respond “not yet”

I didn’t say bumbleby was against Monty’s vision (just that it was not fully decided relationship wise when it started), nor did I say fuck his craft, technique, passion, ideas, trailer, songs, etc. If you read what I wrote, then you clearly did not understand it, so I’ll make it clear: I’ve always defended bumbleby was plan from the get go and used to use the trailers (especially the songs) to show it. Now, I don’t think the show had all decided from the get go, at least, not the relationships. A tweet from Monty said that Ruby was out of characters in the red trailer, which indicates they were still figuring the characters out. This is not an attack in Monty or even a flaw. It’s fine if a story doesn’t have all aspects of it figured out since its beginning. It’s natural even. And I don’t believe you would see having stuff to figure out as bad if it didn’t give you a reason to attack me.

Me acknowledging one of Monty’s flaws as a storyteller is not me disrespecting him. Too many ideas is bad storytelling. Yes, part of the task of a writer is sometimes to know when to dial it down. And that flaw was acknowledged in the context of me giving my thoughts on hbomberguy's video on it, which spends a lot of the time trashing RWBY and I said that I mostly agreed with it. He took the easy way: put the blame entirely on the 2 writers alive, while deifying the one who died, but I don't do that. That's not fair. They were a team and criticism directed at the show should go to everyone responsible for it. There are flaws that are clearly Miles and Kerry, there are others that were Monty’s.

“y'all just feel the need to defend a ship that's drowned in RTs crap”

I didn’t feel the need to defend anything. I was made more aware of their writing process, drew conclusions and wrote a post about them.

“And you know what? I hope y'all get it. I hope in v69 they kiss so you all have actual proof that it "wasn't queerbating its a slow burn!" Cause by that time there will be PLENTY of well established queer representation of multiple designs throughout media and y'all can be left to stew in this webseries bullshit”

I guess it’s not just the shippers who are not of a sound mind. Being this upset because I said bumbleby was probably thought of in V2 and set in stone in V3 is ridiculous. Oh, I’m sorry I also acknowledged Monty’s flaws.

It’s also funny that if you no longer like the show, why the hell are you engaging with fandom? I am perfectly aware that RWBY is flawed. I am perfectly aware there are way better shows and do representation better (by the way, I didn’t even bring representation up, you did), I watch a lot of them. So what? I’ve met people who still like Bleach. I know people who still like MHA. If people can like shows that are deeply flawed, then so can I and I am ok with that.

“no one was telling them they couldn't just write the gay in the first episode”

Argument never made. I didn’t put Monty as an anti-bmblb, you did. Me thinking that stories evolve is not trashing Monty. It’s not trashing anyone. It’s just something that happens, especially when it’s a long-term series and one didn't have relationships set in stone from the beginning (hell, sometimes when they have. Community changed direction completely in terms of pairings). Also, no, LGBTQ+ characters don't have to revealed in the very first episode. What a ridiculous idea.

Thanks for reminding me why I don’t allow anons. And if you make a tumblr just to send me another message, I’ll delete it and block you immediately.

#anon asks

[dragynkeep]

y'know it's so interesting that for all the show runners claim bees was planned until the beginning, they consistently pair yang with weiss for all her emotional beats.

weiss could've easily joined ruby when blake ran away in v1 while yang ran after blake herself but instead they get the introspective talk about weiss's ideals & how they contrast yang.

it's weiss & yang that're doing school activities together & having fun during v2, as well as being paired together for the vytal tournament in v3 despite the fact that bees are supposed to be fantastic fighters together? it's yang that weiss heroically saves during the end of the fight & it's them who run to each other during the fall of beacon.

then we have their parallels in v4 where they're trapped in their own traumas & homes in different ways, weiss fighting out of the trauma that kept her trapped there as yang works through the trauma that blake & adam gave her during the fall of beacon. this culminates in not only their renunion during v5 but weiss being the emotional support yang needs when confronting her abusive, neglectful parent because she understands her.

weiss consistently recognizes yang's emotional pain during v5 & allows it to sit comfortably with her, allowing yang that space without feeling guilt or being reprimanded for rightfully being angry at yet another person who abandoned her: weiss allows yang to feel. without guilt, without restraint.

for all these claims of "it was planned since the beginning" & "freezerburn wouldn't work, they would divorce within five minutes" & "weiss isn't yang's type": the show says the exact opposite. what we see on the screen is completely different to whatever lip service is said by the showrunners & fans alike.

at the end of the day, it wasn't blake that did the emotional work with yang & it wasn't blake who yang never even once considered blaming for leaving unlike blake, who came back to her willingly. that was weiss. wouldn't work together my ass.

#rwby #weiss schnee #yang xiao long #freezerburn #bumblby critical #bees critical #ais.txt #ya'll need to actually watch the show lmao #blake + yang can't leave each other for five minutes #without looking like they're already broken up #but freezerburn is the issue? when they were apart for an #entire volume & yang welcomed her back with open arms #no resentment. no anger. just neck nuzzles & a hug #f outta here lmao #& this coming from a white knight stan #of all things? jaune stans are a plague.

[itsclydebitches]

I’m wlw. While, I’m not going to shame WLW members of the FNDM, bumblby pisses me off. V6 skipped development for both characters for the sake of “confirming” it, but I thought there scenes in V7 were cute. At first. Then it felt like RT dangling gay keys in front of my face. Now they’re attached to the hip while giving the het. ship (Renora) independence. Yang doesn’t care what Ruby thinks and only Blake was upset by her fall. What are your thoughts?

I’ve touched on their relationship quit a bit over the years, on and off, so I’ll try to summarize those big thoughts here: 

I like the ship. I’ve always liked the ship. I’ve never been a die-hard fan like some, but as soon as I entered the fandom and realized they were a thing I went, “Oh yeah, I can see that. I’m on board!” 

Which isn’t to say I’m always a fan of how people engage with them. It’s a fact that every major ship in any fandom is going to have its annoying, dramatic, and toxic elements. It’s also a fact that RWBY has developed a reputation for being particularly vitriolic. I think a lot of the hate towards Blake/Yang stems less from what we actually got in the canon and more from bad experiences from a small subset of fans. Not everyone. Not even the majority. But enough that casual fans, Blake/Sun fans, those who dislike the ship, etc. have reached a point where bmblb is a) so incredibly prominent and b) at times so heated that even a fellow shipper can grow frustrated at the state of the “RWBY” tag. This then bleeds into our reading of the canon material. After all, if you’re frustrated about seeing this pairing so often in fandom spaces and/or you’ve had a bad run-in with someone who ships them, seeing even more of them on Saturday will exacerbate those feelings. 

This is a frustration that’s increased as the show still refuses to make the relationship canon. Crafting scenes each week where something semi-romantic occurs, but isn’t enough to confirm a relationship (like the forehead touch) creates a branching number of annoyances, from “Oh my god how is this still not canon” to “Here’s another week of the whole fandom claiming it is canon.” Those “dangling gay keys” are a problem both for those desperate to see the relationship confirmed because they love it and those desperate to see the relationship confirmed so the characters can begin focusing on other aspects of their identities. “Attached at the hip” feels too close to queer baiting for comfort while simultaneously too narrow a depiction of Blake and Yang. Surely they have concerns and relationships outside of each other. 

I agree entirely that the relationship was rushed in some respects. However, there’s a post somewhere in the depths of my blog where I argue strongly that queer relationships should be allowed to be rushed, simply because so many het ships are too. I stand by that. I understand the frustration of moving from the two interacting primarily as teammates to suddenly holding hands, but that’s a gap that appears in many, many non-queer pairings. Jaune is a great example. Though we introduced Pyrrha’s interest in him from the get-go, he was running after Weiss for his whole time at Beacon, got a little closer to Pyrrha, she suddenly kissed him, and then... we’re meant to believe they were madly in love? His grief is certainly written in a way to imply as much. The cultural expectation of the guy losing the girl just fills in the rest, we didn’t actually see it on screen. So I both agree and disagree. I always want RWBY to be better written, but I also don’t want to hold our queer pairings to standards we don’t demand of the het ones. That way lies a lot of excuses for why it “can’t” ever happen. I’d rather have poorly written and rushed representation than no representation at all. 

Agree entirely about there being a problem with Yang’s fall. Blake’s reaction was fine. The lack of reaction from everyone else was not. As I said in my recap, you can’t prove their love by taking love away from these other relationships. Making Ruby seemingly care less about her sister will not convince me that Blake cares a great deal. Though this is a problem RT has across the whole cast, tying into that “attached at the hip”ness. Characters tend to have one (1) relationship and that’s it. RT really struggles to write a cohesive group, instead creating a collection of duos that happen to inhabit the same space. I can see places where they’ve been trying to correct that this volume  — Yang speaking to Ruby about Summer, Nora talking to the girls about Ren  — but moments like Blake’s talk with Ruby really struggle. In that, these characters haven’t spoken in seven seasons, so all Blake has to say is a generic, ‘I believe in you’ that comes across as stilted and unpersuasive  — we can see the writers trying to convince us that Ruby is The Best and that these girls have a relationship when they... don’t. And scenes like Yang’s fall show us that these underlying struggles are still at work. RT doesn’t know how to craft a scene where everyone reacts because Yang is a well-rounded person sporting a deep and unique relationship with three other teammates. They know how to craft a scene where the one (1) relationship takes centerstage and everyone else becomes cardboard cutouts. 

As for renora’s independence, I need to side with RWBY on this one. The entire point of this arc is that Nora realized she is also attached at the hip and wants to do something about it. That’s a good thing! Whether or not RT actually manages to write a relationship where they’re together without being entirely co-dependent remains to be seen, but splitting them in this last episode was a good start. Similarly, the show did separate Blake and Yang for the majority of this volume and now may have separated Yang from the group for a significant length of time. That’s not the same thing as the girls realizing they need space like Nora did... but then, they aren’t in an acknowledged relationship like Nora is. I don’t think it’s fair to compare them when Yang and Blake haven’t even reached the point where they’re talking about their relationship, let alone what that looks like going forward, and therein lies my real criticism. In order to see the depth RT is trying to give to renora, they have to actually make bmblb canon first. It all comes back to that. The question of queerbaiting, how they find healthy boundaries, how they compare to other relationships in the show... there’s no real groundwork to discuss any of that until we can say, 100%, that they are, in fact, a couple. 

#rwby #rwby spoilers #rwby volume 8 #mymetas #Anonymous

[gunchucks-wukong-archive]

My last drama-ish post blew up with comments, i am glad i am not the only one who's very concerned with that sort of behaviour. Like man, bumblby may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they deserve so much better than what this whole community has given them. So much better i swear. And it's terrible when the behaviour is coming from lgbt+ people, with the motivation being "its not the gay ship i wanted" honey you don't have to like it, but it literally costs zero to be respectful of canon rep! You can criticize even without perpetuating rethoric used by literal homophobes of this fandom. I beg.

#drama #discourse #fandom discourse #vent

[kitkatopinions]

what are your thoughts on this tweet MOB made regarding bumbleby in arrowfell?

I don't know much about MOB, but I completely agree on this matter. Having 'sisters' talk in a late 2022 game, after deliberately coding (coding, not confirming) bumble/by as romantic while selling pride merch with all four girls on it? Honestly, it's just transparent.

It's pretty frustrating that after everything fans are still acting like we're irrational for wanting there to have been actual main character queer rep sometime before the show with no censoring to work through turns ten years old. It's pretty frustrating that people act like it's irrational for people to say 'hey stop coding these characters as queer and romantic only to call them sisters later.' Like, what the fuck. Why is it that people are just okay with this? Do you know how easy it is? Have Yang say 'I'm so close to my whole team, they're my best friends, Weiss is even more like a sister these days!' Or you know what, it still wouldn't make it canon confirmed because it wouldn't be in the main show, but RWBY Arrowfell could've had some kind of conversation where they clearly talk about their feelings for each other to others. I'm so done with this run around. Yang could've been confirmed as queer as early as the first couple episodes of RW/BY volume one easily, without messing with the so called 'slow burn' of the bees. And yet people get angry at us for not wanting Yang to refer to Blake as a sister like a month and a half before 2023, after Rooster Teeth has sold merch by using shipping in the description and sold Pride shirts with the four main RW/BY girls on them.

#anti bumblby #anti bumblebee #anti bb #anti bmblb #anti blake x yang #anti yang x blake #anti blang #rwde #rwby criticism #anti rwby #rwby critical

[jimmyironwood]

Qrow or Yang for the RWBY character asks? 🤔

I shall do yang!

Top 3 ships:

Freezerburn, Greek Fire, Bumblby

Least Favourite Ships:

Baked Alaska I'm sorry gang

Biggest Criticism I have:

I feel like she's relying too much on those delayed bombs in combat, like it's a cool move but it shouldn't be her only move. Her thing is taking hits and dealing it back not peppering the enemy up and running away when her bombs detonate.

Favourite Thing:

I love Yang as a character! She's fun and her combat is usually entertaining. I love her one lines like "Now we can all die together!"

A headcanon I have:

Summer used to call her "her sunflower" and taught her how to manage her hair properly which is part of the reason she's so dear about it

What I would change about them if I was doing a rewrite:

I'd make her personality a bit more reckless during the first few volumes, from the yellow trailer it's apparent she's a party girl who's semblance means she can pretty much just charge straight into danger and come out the other side. I'd really dive into that, for instance I'd have her aura usually be the last one to break, or have her teammates seem roughed up compared to her because she dived into something knowing she'd be fine but without thinking about anyone else.

That being said I don't really mind her being protective over Ruby, no doubt after Summer died she had to step up and be Ruby's new mum. For this reason I'd give her a little sideplot in volume 1-2 about trying to push Ruby off a bit more so that she could be her own person rather than having to look after her all the time. There was a hint of it when Ruby just assumed they were going to be on the same team and Yang seemed more hesitant but that got dropped.

Her arc about being a smarter fighter would be less "use your semblance less" but more "know your limits". She can't continue tanking everything past infinity, as her brief encounter with Adam proved. She'd be learning to call on teammates to team up on a threat she couldn't take on her own and learning to look for their weaknesses rather than just have the strongest punch and assume that means she wins. Yang's a very talented fighter with a very powerful semblance, but even she needs a slice of humble pie every so often.

What do I think of her allusion and would I tweak it?

I like the goldilocks allusion but I feel it got lost. I know allusions aren't supposed to be huge but the gimmick of too-this-too-that is quite simple and it feels like Yang leans far too much into the too-hot side of things.

#yang xiao long #answered ask