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noose-lion · 3 months

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Hi! I'm sorry to ask but would you consider expanding a little on why you think Hazbin Hotel wasn't good/wasn't handled well? I have no attachment to it nor do I mean to defend it by asking this, I just stumbled upon the show last night and watched it with no prior knowledge of anything related to it, all in one (extremely sleep-deprived) sitting and enjoyed it. I don't mean you ought to justify your opinion or anything of the sort, I'm genuinely curious on what you think was a miss! Thank you for your time and feel free to ignore this if you don't feel like explaining🌼

HI! Don't be sorry, most any question is worth asking and being answered. I'll gladly expand.

*MAJOR WARNINGS FOR SPOILERS*

PLEASE EXCUSE ANY TYPOS I'M SLEEPY

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I want to start this with saying that I've been aware of and invested in Hazbin Hotel since it came out in 2019. I even have some merch a friend got for me way back when. I spent all of highschool watching the pilot every few months. So I'm not someone that just hates it, I'm just a long time fan that has been super, super disappointed. (Also, I find a lot of other people's reasons for hating it to be dumb. Such as the cursing or sex jokes, because plenty of other adult animations have the same thing and are considered good shows.)

I'm gonna break this down into two lists of a few things I liked and a few I didn't like. It's not everything, but it's the "big ones".

Liked:

1. The songs

No complaint other than they often started awkwardly in the middle of dialouges making it feel choppy and disconnected. Good songs though. Though I kinda disliked the way they were handled in episode 8.

2. The idea

It's a decent idea. It's fun. The story simply is just not committed to said idea. It feels like a first draft. Like the creator was too attached to the very first and original ideas and was not willing to build upon it and cull anything to actually take it to where it needed to go.

Disliked:

1. Pacing/Writing

To be blunt. The pacing is absolute shit. Eight 20-something minute episodes is not enough time to tell everything they were attempting to tell. Especially not with two songs per episode. Everything was rushed, events happening too close together. Even the timeline had huge holes in it and character development was watered down to the "big" moments. I get it, they had limitations, but they could have adapted better. They did fine with the first few episodes. Introducing Adam and the Overlords and getting Sir Pentious into the hotel.

But then they went straight into the fourth episode with a heavy hitter. They revealed the full extent of Angeldust's situation far too quickly. Not enough suspense. Then they went straight into Lucifer's introduction and Alastors sudden "affection". Again, the suspense of Lucifer, Charlie's big, bad, dad being revealed wasn't pushed far enough. It wasn't interesting. And Alastor's "affection" came out of left field. There was no hints to it, no character development, it just happened. And then yep, Lucifer, who hasn't done shit this whole time, just gets her that meeting.

BORING. So boring. That meeting shouldn't have happened till season two. There's no buildup, everything just happens. No character development, no nothing. Even Vaggie's reveal as a Exterminator happens in a single episode. There was no hints to it, and no suspense (yes again that word), and there was no emotional fallout. It should have been dragged out, a constant threat over Vaggie. Even the deaths are bad. The character weren't enough of a character to feel anything for when they died. And their death's were quick and boring. Cheap. Like seriously Pentious died in a single lil tap? Seriously?

(Razzle and Dazzle's names aren't even revealed to the fifth episode? I don't don't even think Kiki's was. They were just background "companion" characters. Like the forest creatures in Disney's Snow White. They aren't important to the story AT ALL. Literally barely more than background characters.)

AND THE FINALE!? It was just bad. So bad. There was, once again, no suspense and build up. There was no emotional vulnerability. It was just kinda sucky jokes and lackluster fights. The only part of the finale I liked was the Vee's fynny side commentary and the result of Alastor and Adam's fight.

The writing on its own it's- Well, it's bad. It swings back and forth between musical, adult comedy, and serious. Which would be more okay, if it was a smooth swing. But it isn't. It's choppy and stitched together. Full of one liners that could make a decent tiktok video sound or something. The dialogue is choppy and bland for every character. They all hold the same tone. They're all flat and to similar. Sure they're unique but they fade into eachother.

It feels like the script was worked on by 100 different people that didn't even email eachother. Or a disord mass roleplay that wasn't edited very well before being turned into a wattpad fic.

It has no strong structure. It's hollow like a house of cards and collapses on itself with one touch.

And the characters themselves are inconsistent. They don't stick to a characterization and all make the same type of dumb ass jokes or are the butt of the joke.

As a whole it just lacks:

1) Forshadowing and suspense

2) Emotional connection (between the character or with the audiences) and emotional fallout

3) Filler, fluff, a way to care about the characters past the serve archetype level

4) Character development

5) Consequences and stakes

6) Personal motives for the characters

7) Interesting conflict

8) Consistency

9) Balance between plot and subplots

10) Duality of characters

2. Worldbuilding

It contradicts itself. And most of the lore isn't really clear in the show itself, making fans rely on it being confirmed by the creators. Also, it's just... well boring. I might just be overly obsessed with angels and demons and biblical imagery, but Hazbin Hotel kinda makes them... lame.

There are so many "figures" in angelology and demonology that they just don't utilize. They do much better with it in Helluva Boss, and I would expect that dedication to the bit (for lack of a better word) to be carried into Hazbin Hotel considering I assume they have much more time, resources, and budget.

(Like why is it Adam and Saint Peter of all guys. Where's Michael, Gabriel, Raphael? Literally any actual angel!!! Hell (pun not intended), what about the Four Horsemen. You don't even need to study angelology, just read the Book of Revelation. Or even take a jab at the 7 Capitol Virtues.)

Also as I said before, it contradicts itself. And not in a clever way that's supposed to be a nod at some hidden secret, it's just bad worldbuilding. Like, are they really going with the "all humans come from one set of testes and ovaries"? Really? And if Adam was human, then died, why is he an angel? Like bleeds gold, calls others mortals, the whole shebang. It's just bad. And Lilith is supposedly basically the "og sinner", but she could have a kid? I could go on and on and on and on and still not be able to cover all the issues I see in this area.

Honestly it feels like the show relies too heavily on its audience simply not caring.

3. Character design

Bad. Just bad.

The "rules" the character designs "follow" are too broad and loose. They need to be stricter and have boundaries in which to design between. The characters all look like they are ocs from three different creators shoved into the same story.

They also just lack research. None of the characters 'match' they're backstories or supposed animal inspiration. They also all have basically the same body type. Which is boring. Not to mention that the characters that are supposedly poc have no poc features. At all.

And the color pallets are garish and hold no cohesion. The designs are just off the wall random. Why is Alastor red (pink???)? Why is Husk a cat-owl-deck of cards? Why is Nifty two feet tall and one eyed?! Why is Pentious a snake with an alive hat? And Lucifer and Charlie are just boring. Though Lucifer is probably the best design. (Saint Peter is the worst and it is driving me crazy. WHY IS HE A WHITE, BLONDE HAIRED, BLUE EYED ANGEL!?!)

And what does Vivziepop have against ears? Why does no one have ears except Alastor and the other more animal characters? They have earrings, but no ears. It's just so bad. The ears alone could fix so many of the designs to be more palatable.

(One suggestion for a design rule. One I tend to follow within my own hell and heaven lore, is using the different 7 Deadly Sins and 7 Capitol Virtues. Like an example, whatever sin got A into hell is what A is designed after. Like all sinners in hell for Envy share similarities that sinners in hell for Greed don't have. And like this can over lap obviously, but there's a central sin there designed under. And the same for those that go to heaven under the virtues. Would also solve the whole "what gets you into heaven or hell" plot hole).

Anyway yeah I'm getting tired (and getting weirdly angry, lmao) so I'm gonna end here.

I know I didn't cover everything I wanted to but this is getting ridiculously long. If anyone has any specific questions send in an ask.

P.S. My biggest pet peeve is that they didn't give Lucifer an actual "dangerous scary" side. Or even a "deranged losing" it side. He's an angel thats been isolated in hell since literally forever. He should be unstable in a way that isn't JUST being depressed in his room and awkward around his daughter. Also the fact that Charlie is literally half angel is just glossed over?! LIKE COME ON PEOPLE, YOU'RE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE OF UNTAPPED POTENTIAL.

Anyway might just write my own story with the same plot, who knows...

#hazbin hotel #hazbin alastor #hazbin angel dust #hazbin charlie #hazbin husk #hazbin rant #hazbin analysis #vivziepop #jester thinks #anon ask #anon asks #ask #asks #my stuff #screaming into the void #and the void screams back #jesters privilege

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jellymellydraws · 2 months

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I don't think Stephanie Beatriz was the best casting choice for Vaggie.

HEAR ME OUT

Every character in the show is voiced and sung by their VA. But most importantly (in the context of my take), their singing voices STILL SOUND LIKE THE CHARACTER. Alex Brightman is the most damning piece of evidence here. He voices multiple characters in the Helliverse and they still sound like that same character when he sings. Pentious sounds like Pentious when he sings. Adam sounds like Adam.

This has NOTHING to do with Stephanie Beatrize's talent and skill set. She voices Vaggie well. She sings well. But her singing range is NOT as low as her speaking voice for Vaggie. The voice she uses is below her range, and the difference in sound is MASSIVE.

After the angel reveal, I considered making an angelic exception that the higher singing voice was just a heavenly trait. BUT, the we have Lute. Lute's singing voice still maintains the edge of her talking voice.

So while I LOVE Stephanie Beatrize and her work, if they wanted the low edgy voice of Vaggie then I think the VA should've been someone who could talk AND sing in that range.

It just....bugs me that I can hear the songs and know which character is singing but I need to remind myself that Vaggie sings in a higher registry.

#hazbin hotel #vaggie #hazbin vaggie #hazbin rant #jellymelly rant

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eternalera · 23 days

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okay im gonna say a problem thats really been bagging at me. and its 'the angels are bad because they dont know what gets someone into heaven shtick'

but like... we do know? we know that you have to be a good person and not a douchbag (ik adams in heaven but im assuming that he was good at first and then turned evil although this is just an assumption)

like sir pentious was the least problematic out of the cast (that could go to heaven) and he did end up getting redeemed. so we know that you have to be a good person now do we know what qualifies as 'good'? no.

but actually counter argument, do we know what qualifies as bad? because if good and bad are opposites of each other then in order to be considered 'good' you just dont have to be bad. if its considered 'bad' not to steal then dont steal. if its considered 'bad' not to lie then dont lie.

does hell know what gets a demon down there? we dont know. all we know is that heaven doesnt know what qualifies someone as good. not to mention im pretty sure that they aren't in charge if whether or not a soul passes the pearly gates. im pretty sure thats some higher being.

cause you could say its the seraphims but uh

sera and emily seemed pretty darn shocked the sir pentious (a sinner) was there in the first place so its clear that they were never really in charge of who enters heaven so while yes this made the court case kinda... pointless- i dont think that this made them evil.

charlie didnt know what made a soul able to enter heaven either and while yes she isnt heaven born so she would have no reason to need to know it still makes me groan every time it comes up because like-

you clearly dont know what makes a soul enter heaven either. and these seraphims are more than clearly not in charge of it so how does that make them evil?

im sorry this is such a rant but im trying

point is that i dont see why it instantly makes heaven the 'bad guys' in the fact that they dont know what makes a soul able to enter heaven. especially the seraphims. its clear that theyre not in charge of who enters heaven so theyve had no reason to know that stuff. theyve had no reason to know why a soul passes the pearly gates. they never thought of redemption so why does that make them the bad guys (also before you go off its clear the emily never thought of it although she is willing to give it a try being more open minded). its a new idea that most likely might throw off the balance of heaven in some way so yes some people are scared to try it. it doesnt make them bad

anyways i think thats it... idrk feel free to add more ig

#hazbin hotel #hazbin #sera hazbin hotel #sera the seraphim #emily hazbin hotel #heaven #heaven hazbin hotel #this is so incoherent #but fuck it we ball #charlie hazbin hotel #hazbin rant #analysis #kinda

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melodybuns · 1 month

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I HATE WHEN PPL SEXUALISE ALASTOR

MAN DOESN’T WANT YOU IN THAT WAY! STOP MAKING FICS OF HIM BEING SEXUALISED!

HE’S ASEXUAL 😭😭😭LIKE ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME SHOW?

SERIOUSLY DO NOT INTERACT WITH ME IF YOU SEXUALLY SIMP OVER A ACE CHARACTER! SHOW SOME RESPECT PLEASE!

#hazbin hotel #hazbin rant #alastor the radio demon

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theroompet · 3 months

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Yeah so I've become obsessed over Hazbin Hotel, maybe as much as Helluva Boss. I really didn't think I'd love some of the characters as much as I'd do.

I've always loved Angel Dust since the pilot and imaged I'd have him has a favourite in the show, but little did I know Lucifer would snatch me on his debut.

Another character that stole my second favourite, who I'd never figured out why people were obsessed over is Alastor.

Sorry Angel Dust, but you're top 3.

Another character I didn't expect to like Husk. I love the relationship dynamic he developed with Angel is perfect.

I thought at best they'd be best buddies and knew they'd be the OTP of every shipper out there, but the leak that it's a slow burn romantic relationship, eh I ship that.

Honestly my otp is Alastor/Lucifer, I can't help myself when it comes to love/hate relationships haha *sweats*

#hazbin rant

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lucdoodle · 3 months

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Valentino changing the channel

#vox is ranting about alastor #hazbin hotel #valentino #vox #hazbin hotel vox #hazbin hotel valentino #comic #myart

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appledaddyisbae · 3 months

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did anyone else notice that in ep 5 when Charlie calls Lucifer that the pfp he has for her contact is her as a little girl and think that this is massively adorable? no? just me? okay

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel rant #hazbin hotel lucifer #hazbin hotel charlie #daddy daughter fluff is best fluff #they're amazing #the morningstars #charlie morningstar #lucifer morningstar #☀️💫#👑🖤

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broadwayfangirl222 · 3 months

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I don't ship Vox and Alastor but I adore the idea of it as this one-sided thing. Like Vox is, on some level, low key into Alastor. That his side of the rivaly, outside of the obvious old vs new debate they have, is kinda like that old, stupid stereotype of the asshole kid pulling on their crush's pigtails (as well as just being pissed off 'cause he got rejected) Meanwhile for Alastor, he just genuinely hates Vox and has fun messing with him

#Valentino after hearing Vox rant about Alastor for over an hour: You want to fuck him so badly it makes you look stupid #shut up me #probably worded this badly but I hope I got my point across right #hazbin hotel spoilers #hazbin hotel early access #radio static #radiostatic #my gifs #hazbin hotel

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houngry · 3 months

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“Loser baby is a horrible song! Husk is just victim shaming and calling Angel a loser!”

that’s funny. maybe if you actually listened to the lyrics, you’d realize that husk isn’t victim shaming at all. he’s telling angel that he’s not alone. that he doesn’t have to put up a mask.

another thing i like about the song is the fact that husk isn’t saying some bs like “oh it’ll get better”. because sometimes, that doesn’t help.

stop hating on the song, and maybe listen to it again, instead of whining on tumblr.

#sorry for the rant this is just getting rlly annoying #huskerdust #husk #hazbin hotel husk #loser baby #angel dust #hazbin hotel angel dust #hazbin hotel #rant post

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foxevxid · 3 months

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i need lucifer morningstar under me RIGHT NEOW. i need to ride his face, i need to peg him, i need to dom him so badly. i’d overstimulate him and praise/degrade him till he’s in tears. calling him “pretty boy,” “good boy,” “baby boy,” only to immediately switch to calling him “slut,” “whore,” “pathetic,” “crybaby,” etc. when he doesn’t do what he’s told. he’s so touch starved and needy, i would have him whimpering and begging me just to touch him even a little bit. gods, he is such a bottom.

#foxe rants #foxe speaks #hazbin lucifer #lucifer morningstar x reader #lucifer morningstar #lucifer magne #hazbin hotel x reader #hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel imagine #lucifer morningstar imagine #lucifer morningstar smut

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hazbin-hotel-aesthetics-quotes · 3 months

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I've read someone saying that Husk is just telling Angel to suck it up and victim blaming him.

Yes he's saying Angel to suck it up, but he isn't saying anything about him having fault into his situations, but he can understand regretting bad choises. He's saying he isn't alone, and he can in some way, understand him.

Husk is the first one who Angel reveals that he had sold his soul to Valentino, and the same goes for Husk that reveals that once he was a overlord and he had made a deal with Al.

Now, the situations are obviously not the same. Valentino is abusive, manipulatine and a r*pist. Al is yes, a sadistic overlord and he is not a good person, but he is evil for his own entertainment and in the pilot he calls Husk to fulfill his favor, making him work at the bar, probably just because he enjoy making Husk do it just for the sake of ordering him around.

What Husk is saying to Angel Dust is You are not alone. You may be a loser, you may feel you're at the bottom and screwd up, but that's okay. Cut yourself some slacks, forgive yourself and start to accept your flaws. You are not alone and together we can help each other.

#hazbin hotel #vivziepop #angel dust #husk #mama kat rant #tw: bad grammar

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samd1o1 · 3 months

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I understand only 8 episodes were ordered and that sucks but it's not the Hazbin team's fault

But I feel like the Dad Beat Dad song would be way better if we actually got to see Alastor and Charlie bond over the last 5 months.

Hell, the fact it's BEEN 5 months is almost unbelievable.

#Don't get me started on my rant about shows being shortened lately #Hazbin Hotel Spoilers #Hazbin Hotel #Alastor #Charlie Morningstar #Lucifer Morningstar

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cannibalistic-deer · 1 month

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It baffles me that I've seen people say "Alastor is canonically sex and touch repulsed" as a reason people "shouldn't" be shipping Alastor sexually/romantically.

Why assume that the sex repulsion applies to every relationship in his life, permanently? Some aces are sex favorable, or may develop more favorable feelings for specific people, even if otherwise repulsed.

And the same applies to touch repulsion. That's such a weak argument. Alastor canonically, and very clearly, is okay with or possibly even enjoys touch in specific situations. He does seem to be touch repulsed in general, but again, there are specific people it doesn't apply to. (Rosie is the best example, since with anyone else it is more brief, but Rosie touches him, and is the one initiating that, frequently.)

All types of attraction, or comfort levels with different manners of affection, are fluid. This isn't ever an excuse to invalidate real people who are telling you their identities, but it does mean that assumptions really can't be made about what a person would or wouldn't do.

And this type of thinking is what really leads to invalidating real people, because even if you think "being asexual means never having sexual attraction," and then an ace person shares that they think they might have experienced sexual attraction at some point but still identify as ace... then you have to be open to that. You cannot put sexualities in boxes. This applies to all sexualities.

I'm a fictive of Alastor myself, and I am sex repulsed, so I understand the discomfort, but I also understand that people are not harming any real, living person by making fanworks where Alastor is having sex. It also doesn't mean they're inherently rejecting his asexuality.

If people want to ignore Alastor being aroace completely, that's different. Alastor is canonically aroace (or asexual at minimum), and he always will be. But jumping to conclusions about what people think because you're too naive and stubborn to understand that sexuality and attraction doesn't fit into tidy little boxes is harmful and is a way of thinking that must be changed.

This became longer than intended because I was mostly thinking about the "Alastor is touch repulsed to everyone!" claims some people make, which are frankly incompatible with canon. But the rest of this post is also true.

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