#honestly this is more for jc's benefit than wwx's

[waitineedaname]

I'm a firm believer that if wei wuxian and jiang cheng reconcile, it has to be messy. they need to scream and sob and hit each other and get it all out of their system, and only after it's all aired out can they actually start rebuilding their relationship

#mdzs #yunmeng bros reconciliation can't be peaceful and pretty #they need to ugly cry and at least one of them needs to end up with a black eye or something #honestly this is more for jc's benefit than wwx's #but that's because wwx's confrontation style is to simply. avoid it. #if left to his own devices he will not talk about that shit #he will just avoid jiang cheng forever and never talk about it and be miserable #but they NEED to talk about it #and jiang cheng's confrontation style involves getting angry and crying #basically i think they need to be locked in a room for a few hours so they can scream at each other #and then theyll be okay #they get let out of the locked room and wwx's nose is broken and jc has burst blood vessels from crying so hard #but theyre back to joking around and shoving each other playfully so things are better now

[twilightarc-gm]

🦈💕🎯 for the ask game!

🥰 An ask for me! Thank you so much I will endeavor to be entertaining!

For this ask game~ Here

🦈 Which character is the toughest to write? //checks works// I have written exactly 5 character perspectives and honestly my beloved Jiang Cheng gives me the hardest time! He's always thinking and thinking and doing cost benefit analysis in his head for every decision, paragraphs will go by before I remember he's supposed to be responding to someone!! Help!! Honestly I think the reason he's a toughy is because I am SOOO invested in representing him in a way that makes sense but is also doesn't bury the plot. Not everyone is into a downward spiral of paranoia and anxiety with sudden spikes of grief. Like I am the first one to say that he has normal days without rocking the scorned woman vibes every moment of it, but also when he's not Cursed Cassandra or triggered by his WWX-centric ptsd, he's just such a normal guy?? He likes people who are good/nice, he likes being good at what he was taught to do, he likes people relying on him, and he likes caring for his people... Like, when the narrative isn't against him he's just doing his thing trying to be enough for anyone willing to give him the time of day which is relatable as heck but also takes up 80% more processing power of the hamster wheel in my brain than it should and it's like... I had a plot here somewhere here but I just want to write him making the most mundane decisions. This is a problem!

💕 What is your favorite fic that you’ve written? OoooooOooooOooooOooo wow yeah good question because I actually have some fics published now so I actually have choices to answer with but also the answer is that my favorite fic isn't even published yet and I have been writing it for years. "Mainfic" my beloved, soon... Of everything that currently available to link, I think the Jiaoren!JC au is the best of my fics but my favorite these days as in fun for me to reread is the lil zoids au that's just WWX thirsting for JC with a mecha sport as backdrop. 😂 It's very indulgent. I put little images in it and everything. Like popping butterscotch candies when rereading and writing it.

🎯 Do you have a writing milestone you’re working towards? Gonna be incredibly boring with this one because I think all my writing milestones I ever had I have already reached. 🙃 The biggest one before was just finishing a chapter fic, you know? I guess the next milestone is to do that but with something LONG and maybe that will be mainfic? Who knows. Ball of nerves on that one. It's probably going to get up to 200k if not more? That'd be my biggest achievement if I got that finished and all posted. 🙏

Aaah I love ask games, thank you so much these were fun to answer! My inbox is always open for anything, don't be a stranger~ 😉

#mdzs #jiang cheng #chengxian #asks answered #so-relatable #mutuals now!!

[llycaons]

ep24 (pt3): sibling time <3

this line makes me go insane...she doesn't even know what she said with this

jyl doesn't come up in fics enough for me to gauge how she's written during this time period, but let it be known that she openly speaks about jc's bad temper

the fact that I mostly read postcanon stuff or AUs is the reason for that, btw. I don't like, avoid reading about her. I just don't read much fic in this time period, at all. I just think it's all far too well-done to bother with fic. the closest I got was a few where wwx and lwj get together earlier and none of them are better than canon. also nobody seems interested in exploring her canon character during this arc, it's all 'badass clan leader jyl with zidian' and such

this is the second time he says this 😭

HE'S HUNGRY! this is maybe the first time THIS shorthand comes up, and jyl knows it! she doesn't immediately run off and get food, she stays with him and plays around and offers him comfort and affection in ways that are easy for him to accept. vulnerability and asking for affection is really hard for wwx given his personality, his interpersonal dynamics with others, and his status in the sect. but he knows he can tell his sister he's hungry and she'll play along with him and shower him in love. ough

I kind of wish they had left her response out...it looked like she know what was going on with lwj but this makes it look like she has no idea

REGARDLESS. regardless. wwx's reluctance to pursue his feelings or even acknowledge them is very in-line with his characterization, especially right now. this isn't a crush who's fun to tease anymore, it's about real, serious feelings that he's attempting to distance himself from because he knows he can't act on them. or looking at it another way, he's scared of getting further in because he values his freedom and connections with others brings with them obligations. so. final scene wwx leaving extremely important thematically and character-wise and shows tremendous growth on lwj's part, and wwx's excited reunion with lwj at the end shows that even after taking his freedom, he's still eager to start his life with lwj because he came to terms with loving him and is no longer afraid...

oh this was just so silly. jyl you goof. this is such big sister baby sibling joking around

this is also really funny. their banter here is SO good, god I truly get why ppl are obsessed with them. when they're not on the outs, they have a great dynamic and are on the same page about almost everything

literally one of the funniest scenes in the show, help

so so funny, jc adjusting his collar to look more dignified and he and his siblings laughing. one of the pure scenes where nobody's being attacked or hurt, and they really are just having a good time with each other

and this was very nice of wwx

prettyyy

and this is decent communication too! hey, I have obligations here to the clan, can you behave yourself?

jc's casual acceptance of jgy's social status isn't really a surprise for anyone in his postion, but it is still kind of sad. even after being legitimized, jgy will only ever be lower than his half brother? this is something I wished was more present from the book. jc clearly judges people by their birth, but in the novel it'd explicitly clear that lwj doesn't. I don't think it came through very well tho

wwx himself was the son of a servant. how would jc have reacted if he wanted to marry a family member of the great sects? well, he does, but I mean. if you ignore everything else that makes that situation complicated...probably would never have accepted wwx leaving, and maybe would have been excited about the political benefits. MAYBE happy for wwx too, but doubtful. it takes him fully 20 years to get to a place where he can honestly wish him well

so classic of flashback wwx. tho postres he is remarkably forgiving

so true, jc. #feminism

OHHHH HIS FIRST TRANSGRESSION. breaking into the library at night for read secret books hehehe

ahh this scene <3

wwx back in a boat on LP with his sister and sect siblings, having the time of his life, realizing that maybe he can be happy after all? maybe things will be okay? maybe he can put the horrors of the past behind him and actually live? this scene is so important in his journey but it's so shortlived. it's only next episode that he meets wen qing and everything changes

personal highlights

this episode was so fucking rich. I ate well

jfm teaching young wwx how to fire an arrow

LXC AND WWX BROTHERS IN LAW CONVO!!!! there are people who care about you!! I know my brother's heart!!! wwx drinking as fast as he can trying to get out of that conversation!!!

lwj starting his long journey to totally just doing what he feels is right regardless of the rules

very sweet jyl and wwx convo

BORN WITH A SMILING FACE

very funny yunmeng sibling convo about throwing up soup and acting like a clan leader

happy ending...🥺

#cql re-rewatch

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

This is a bit of a long rambly mess, but I just to vent somewhere! When I was at first getting annoyed at JC’s depictions, I thought fanon JC was painted as similar Mu Qing, right down to JC being given MQ’s secret care for children. But I then realized that even that comparison was inaccurate.

Even MQ apologizes (more than once across the story!), says that XL was right, and says he wants to be his friend. And if JC did that in most fics, that would at least be fine. But fans don’t even do the courtesy of giving JC that arc! Instead, it’s always JC being right -- whether about the GC transfer, or he’s suddenly become a person who’s willing to help the Wens and WWX is just a stupid idiot for doing it on his own -- and WWX has to admit that JC was right.

And where MQ becomes more comfortable with the fact that he used to be a servant, accepting and overcoming the insecurities, JC’s arc in fic could be learning to overcome his insecurities that WWX is better than him at many things even despite their class differences. But no, fanon JC has to be AMAZING at something, or even SEVERAL things, SO much BETTER at them than poor stupid WWX. That’s the BEST solution for Yunmeng bros reconciliation, obviously.

At this point, I honestly wish JC was actually given MQ’s character arc in more fics, because at least he could be said to have one, and not just have always been a perfect person, best brother, best jiujiu, bestest sect leader. Ugh.

It kind of feels like another side of purity culture from the people who should be against it. If JC and WWX reconcile,if JC loves WWX, then JC can’t have ever been a bad brother. Instead, it’s Wei Wuxian who has been the bad brother (the character who’s more easy to change since he a) has already gone through this characterization in all versions of the canon, so his development can be reversed for the fic and brought back up to speed by the end, and b) has actually had character growth, unlike JC, so it’s easier to write that growth). It’s Wei Wuxian who needs to change to match where JC is at. It’s fine if the “bad brother” is the character who tried to do good, but fucked it up because he “doesn’t know how to ask for help!” or “is too stupid to know other people care!” or whatever other excuse. That’s easy to fix! But it’s not fine when it’s the character who never really cared about people outside of his sect and is terribly low on empathy/mercy/compassion/caring. JC has to have been secretly good all along! He loves his brother, so obviously he never did anything terrible to him! Or to other people in the name of hating him! Love cannot be unhealthy or messy or crystalized over by and wrapped up in hate!

(I mean, if we’re comparing characters to JC, Severus Snape also has an unpleasant personality yet was actually revealed to not have been evil all along, and the discourse around him is more interesting than the stuff surrounding JC. It’s still often stupid discourse, but at least it’s based on evidence from the text and not a made up secret narrative where JC hasn’t been a bad person this whole time so fans can just make up whatever characterization they want.)

Instead of dealing with JC’s and WWX’s canon relationship and trying to find a way forward from where they left off in Guanyin Temple (if they’re ignoring the extras in MDZS, or going off CQL), fanon JC is just retroactively made into having always been a good person to justify the ease of their reconciliation.

And as someone who loves delving into fictional complex, complicated, messy, ugly relationships, I find it so...bland, boring, childish, and exhausting.

"As someone who loves delving into fictional complex, complicated, messy, ugly relationships, I find it so...bland, boring, childish, and exhausting."

Hello there anon, the above as well as what you said about reversing Wei Wuxian's character to be on par with how awful Jiang Cheng was to him is especially resonating. As a person Jiang Cheng himself for all intents was considered at least above average from the normal cultivators.

Yet his downfall always relied on his hate of Wei Wuxian (as a person, in talent, socially) it is a core part of his character that is woven into the work itself and the catalyst for Wei Wuxian's death itself. Jiang Cheng if anything, is coldly upfront on just why he refuses to help Wei Wuxian out of his predicament as well as framing Wei Wuxian. The text itself says he puts little fight in pretending to even speak for Wei Wuxian's behalf when Jin Guangshan begins to sully him and conspire about him wanting to be a sect leader. He is meant to be the complete contrast in Lan Wangji and Mianmian trying to speak for his good-will, in fact he contradicts this by saying that Wei Wuxian has always been tiresomely reckless and uncontrollable, something that holds little truth as Wei Wuxian worked in trust for Yunmeng Jiang's benefit for years. Their actions simply are not of comparable fault and the end of the work (in the least the novel) makes this message clear. Jiang Cheng, as a character, like MXTX said is a product of following what his environment made him as well as him putting no fight on his end to amend that to be better and learn. Love is very complicatedly explored in this work in all it's ways and that's what is very beautiful about it. It does not shy away from the forms it manifests in. Including Jiang Cheng's who at the base of it, the rivalry there was as much one-sided as Shu She's for Lan Wangji, the layers of irony are the best part of the novel for each of it's characters.

As for fandom. I do think a lot of it is petty stupid discourse (oh and I have never said I am particularly immune to it, I am far too sarcastic for my own good and have a bit of a loud mouth when I see something particularly ridiculous for this fandom and I do not know when to shut up my filter). But, so much of it is coated within personal resonance towards certain characters which leads to feeling personally hurt, especially when the block features exist on this site. Multiple tags have been implemented to block for this exact purpose, yet their comes the takes that you can not use these sarcastic tags that are blockable because "it's not the right ones". Fandom is ever shifting and as such it is curated as much as you want it to be. Being ordered to not use these tags or to avoid posting all together is a moot point as well as demanding others to read how you want them to, even when the work textually supports or does not certain interpretations. As lovely as the thought is that "all interpretations are valid", logically it does not work quite so well when you attempt to push that on so many others with little helpful evidence other than flimsy fanon popularity (Ron the Death Eater And Draco in Leather pants are infamous fandom tropes that are despised for reasons). JC is not a case of questionable good for selfish reasons as in the comparison to Snape, he is simply a show of selfishness who has an ambiguous opening to do better, in terms of those in the future. Too much clout though is put on that idea when the work itself is not shy to say real good, kind, supportive people are hard to come by.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #canon jiang cheng #jiang cheng #I love him but he is very much a trash racoon king #fandom also needs to chill with is elitisism and faux intellectualism

[vrishchikawrites]

LAN XICHEN AND JIANG CHENG:

JC stans want Jiang Cheng to end up with Lan Xichen because he is the First Jade of Lan, while Lan Wangji, who is Wei Wuxian’s husband, is only Second. For once in his miserable life, Jiang Cheng will get the better end of the deal than Wei Wuxian, right? But the thing is, as far as the narrative goes, nobody can beat Hanguang-jun other than Wei Wuxian- his own brother included. We are repeatedly given evidence that Lan Wangji is stronger than Lan Xichen, is more of an expert at the guqin than Lan Xichen, is more skilled in Clan Techniques than Lan Xichen, is more righteous than Lan Xichen, etc. etc. Nobody but Lan Wangji could have survived the 33 whip lashes, fought 33 well-trained Elders while also protecting his dying beloved, undertaken dangerous night hunts in desolate areas with no expectations of repayment, and end up Hanguang-jun. When one hears of the name ‘Lan’, one thinks of Hanguang-jun, Lan Wangji, the Second Jade of Lan, and then, Lan Xichen, his brother, the First Jade. Lan Wangji did have more freedom than Lan Xichen, but it is not that much more, and thus we can attribute his values and his morals as his own. Where does Xicheng come in? We know that Jiang Cheng does not care about pesky qualities such as honour or integrity, to say nothing of his homophobic tendencies, but if he were to become a “disgusting” cut-sleeve, he would not settle for anything but the best, which Lan Xichen is not. Jiang Cheng is also extremely jealous and vindicative, easy to offend and anger, and can absolutely never handle being below anyone. Lan Xichen might not be as talented as his brother, but he is still leagues better than the “Wielder Of His Own Damn Sword”, Jiang-Zhongzu. They would not mesh well together. But we know all this. Let us talk about Lan Xichen. Rulers should be good to their people and their primary strength should lie in being able to detach themselves from their personal feelings in kingdom-related matters and take a professional approach. In the book’s context, a Sect Leader should be cold and practical in the matters involving the Sect. Jiang Fengmian fails to do this with his wife, and ends up getting most of his Sect killed due to his cowardice. Lan Xichen does this with A-Yao. As Sect Leader, Lan Xichen’s warmth causes less diplomatic incidents, since he is good with pacifying and mollifying prickly Sect Heads, but he can be easily swayed by weakness, real or feigned, and such beliefs work to his disadvantage. One more thing I would like to point out is that Lan Wangji, after losing the love of his life and being whipped 33 times (with a Spiritual Weapon) for treason, only remained in seclusion long enough to heal his body. If he could function in such a painful situation, all the while caring for an orphaned child and watching his brother happily interact with the person most responsible for, why could not Lan Xichen? He wasn’t even physically impaired! Oh boo-hoo, my most trusted friend of 20 years betrayed me and killed my Sworn Brother? Yes! Yes, he did, and it was a most traumatising thing to do, but he did not do it without your own help and encouragement! It is not Lan Xichen’s fault for being taken by a Master Manipulator, of course, but it is his fault for being passive and taking the easy way out 2/3 times in order not to upset his Sworn Brothers and the rest of the elitist Cultivation World! There are metas that state that once Lan Xichen is given confirmation of ill-will and misdeeds, he does not hesitate to choose the path of righteousness and conviction, but it is the time that he takes to obtain such confirmations is what irks me. He makes no moves of his own, does not go out of his way to investigate events he himself was suspicious about until his brother encourages (read: forces by showing unignorable evidence) him to, and spends most of his time after the Siege sitting on his hands (other than rebuilding his Sect, I will give him that) and entertaining A-Yao! *Sigh* This is quite a cruel take on him, and if we view him through the same lens we do

our favourite characters many of his faults will fizzle out quickly, but I just think he should not be let off as scott-free as he currently is being let. If I have misunderstood something, or mentioned anything wrong, please do not hesitate to correct me! It will help with my understanding of his character and help me write better fics.

Dee - This was a submission not an ask - my reply under the cut off

I try not to say much about LXC and maintain a neutral POV on him because he is, from what I read in the novel, a good character. Not perfect and certainly not as wise as he's often made out to be, but good. Honestly, to me he comes across as someone who is somewhat naive, unaware of his own prejudices, but willing to pursue the truth when prompted. He also seems to be a bit stubborn and is very confident in his own judgment. I believe all of that can be attributed to the fact that he's a Sect Heir and a Sect Leader later. He needs to have that solid belief in his judgment to lead.

To me, LWJ and LXC present interesting parallels. Both loved (platonic in LXC's case, love is love) people from lower social classes, both were confronted with somewhat unsavory characteristics. The parallels are very striking, tbh.

LWJ loved a morally strong man - LXC loved a morally weak one.

LWJ's love for WWX enlightened him - LXC's love for JGY blinded him.

LWJ took WWX to task on every mistake - LXC covered up or made excuses for JGY's red flags.

WWX's taught LWJ to challenge and question everything - JGY taught LXC to trust blindly and accept excuses.

LWJ learned to fight, even if it meant disrupting peace - LXC learned to look the other way in order to maintain peace.

It wasn't until LXC was pushed by LWJ and WWX that he took action but he still took action. Arguably, it would've been just as painful for LXC to suspect JGY as it would've been LWJ to suspect WWX. When you love someone and their character sinks to the gutter, the hurt is immeasurable. It is nearly the worst betrayal you can face. I don't blame LXC for wanting to avoid it.

Also, LXC had a lot of reasons to act the way he did. As readers, we have the benefit of hindsight but when people are confronted with difficult situations and insufficient information, they act differently. So yeah, it is a bit dissatisfying that he doesn't get called out for some of this foolishness, but honestly, it is a minor thing.

As for LXC and JC, I agree. It is definitely a way to one-up WWX with the 'better' Lan. We don't really know how skilled LXC is and how he can stand against LWJ or WWX. I'm rather certain he's stronger than JC at any rate. JGY was able to fight and defeat JC but he had to trick both LXC and LWJ into sealing their powers. His cultivation is strong. He's just not as sharp and intelligent as LWJ and WWX are but they're exceptional.

#submission #anti jiang cheng

[crossdressingdeath]

Here's a fun thought: the only thing keeping WWX in Yunmeng is personal loyalty. Nothing else. There's no mention of any sort of contract forcing him to stay and serve the Jiangs. It is just loyalty. Honestly any debt he may have owed them was, I'd say, repaid after he saved JC's ass by getting him out of Yunmeng and then pretty much won the war for him, and also would have been owed to JFM, who is one of the two Jiangs who doesn't mention any sort of debt that WWX owes, so I'd say odds are he didn't see it as a situation where it was a debt to be repaid; he was fulfilling his obligations by taking WWX in and training him, not doing WWX a favour. I don't know if ancient China allowed the next generation to say someone who would've owed a debt to their parent that said parent waived now owed them a debt, but like... I kind of doubt it. Basically, WWX is staying in Yunmeng because he is loyal to the Jiangs, not because he has to.

And JC is giving him every reason to leave.

Like, even aside from the way JC treats him... do you think the other sects wouldn't want to poach someone as powerful as WWX? Let's face it, the genius who invented an entirely new form of cultivation and can summon armies with a whistle could pretty much name his price. And even just a sect leader who wouldn't hang WWX out to dry at the first sign of inconvenience would be a notable step up from JC. If WWX was a bit more ambitious or a little less loyal to JC, he would have left long before running into WQ. I don't know what the social response for leaving his sect to join another would be, but like... it couldn't be worse than the responses he gets when it becomes clear that JC won't defend him, especially given it would be in the best interests of the sect that claimed him to have his back in that situation. At worst I feel like it would be trading one form of pariahdom for another, but with bigger benefits this time. Essentially, I think it's important to keep in mind every time pre-Wen remnants JC accuses WWX of being disloyal that WWX's loyalty is the only thing keeping him there, while both self-interest and self-preservation would be telling him to get the hell out of Lotus Pier while the getting was good. Also, I now want a fic where WWX's living situation is just different enough from canon (maybe it took JFM longer to find him or the Jiangs did something more morally fucked to him than what they do in canon) that he is either more ambitious or less loyal to the Jiangs to the point where he decides that actually he would prefer to be labelled as disloyal in exchange for some actual benefits, starting with... y'know, some actual support from his sect leader. Featuring what is essentially a bidding war that no one will admit to partaking in when it becomes clear that WWX could be convinced to leave the Jiangs for the right offer and JC getting pissy about it but refusing to actually give WWX anything if he stays, which merely cements the decision in WWX's mind. And the eventual winner (probably the Lans because LWJ is fully seducing WWX into choosing them) including saving the Wen remnants in the bargain when WWX brings it up.

#mdzs #wei wuxian #grapehate #give me wwx being like 'you know what i DO deserve better than this' #and recognising that his skills give him a LOT of options if he makes it clear he could be persuaded to join a different sect

[pocketfulofrecs]

It's Friday and we're here with another Author Spotlight!

It’s impossible for you to be in this corner of fandom and never have heard of Vir_Abelasan. She has written some of the most interesting Wangxian fics we have read, a shade darker than usual, but so engrossing. When we want to read something a little savory, we go back to this author.

She has written 49k words in 5 fics, and we can’t wait to see what else she will come up with.

Her fics:

It’s we that you are for - [explicit | 2.5k | LWJ/WWX/LXC pwp]

to be wielded by your hands (our post) - [mature | 3k | competence kink]

Visitations - [mature | 18k | wip | modern au - corporate espionage]

Like stones on an unseen board - [not rated | 11k | dark lan wangji]

Symmetry (our post) - [mature | 13k | dark sizhui]

Dee’s favourite: I love Symmetry but my favorite happens to be Like stones on an unseen board. I have a special fondness for dark LWJ who is just as devoted to WWX as canon LWJ is. This fic has the potential age difference and teacher-student relationship but they don’t really get together in it. I like that, I like how LWJ recognizes how Jiangs are dimming WWX’s light and does things to get WWX away from them, even if it involves manipulation and subtly widening the divide between the Jiangs and WWX. Dark in a way that eventually benefits WWX.

Ju’s favourite: Ohhh I loved Symmetry. I loved to see JC getting his just deserves by Sizhui. The fic is very dark, and in many moments I was completely blown away and so angry. I love when reading makes me feel things, and I felt a lot of things reading this one. But as dark as it gets in some points, it makes sense in the story. And then we get a happy ending that is so good and perfect. Made me cry.

The Interview:

Q. When did you start writing fics? Did you have fandoms before this one?

A. Somewhere around the early 2000s with the Buffy the Vampire Slayer fandom, and BtVS was very prolific with crossover, which just led to more fandoms, mostly Western TV series. I wrote a lot of the Dragon Age trilogy afterwards, and a lot of Pacific Rim before finding MDZS.

Q. What made you start writing for MDZS?

A. Honestly at first I was here for the porn, because the Wangxian porn is bountiful and tender and exquisite. But then I read the novel and was enamored with how much more nuanced everything was, especially the many recurring themes and motifs related to social classes and personal vs familial/communal responsibilities, which as an Asian person you don't often get to dig into in the oftentimes Western-leaning fandom spheres.

Q. What’s your favourite fic you’ve written?

A. In the MDZS fandom it's Symmetry, because it's literally the fic I wanted to read upon completing MDZS but was not able to find. One of the saddest thing in canon for me is the lack of consequences for any of the gentry cultivators' actions in the past, and while it's realistic to the world building, I just really want an alternative where someone could go around an inherently broken system and make it so perpetrators actually pay for their crimes and less people in general becomes collateral.

Q. What’s your favourite type of fics to read?

A. Smut, because I'm just really bad at writing it. And oh, how the MDZS fandom delivers - Pure smut, sad smut, painstakingly tender smut, existential smut, it has everything! But Wangxian smut in particular is almost always a treat because there's just always that undercurrent of trust and having a person who's just for you in every sense of the word despite everything else happening. It's such a good, affirming feeling.

Q. What’s your favourite comment? Or type of comment?

A. Any comment is always a delight! From just incoherent screaming to details of which lines spoke to them the most, every comment is a reaction and stories are out there to create conversation in the first place.

Q. What motivates you to write?

A. Writing has always felt like problem solving to me, and fanfics in general has always been really interesting to write because there's the inherent conflict and problems written into canon, but also the matter of the fandom's perception of the source material to play with and solve.

Q. Who’s your favorite author?

A. There's so many fanfic authors throughout the years who are just amazing and hit a lot of very profound places a lot of published works didn't go to, so it's really hard to choose just a few. But thank you, every single fan author out there, you've really made a lot of people's days (and lives) better with your writing.

Q. What is your favorite trope to read and/or write?

A. I'm particularly fond of the trope of characters who are normally amicable or accommodating just going apeshit, both literally or figuratively. Because both in fandom and in real life, kindness and compromise in someone are often mistaken as a free pass for others around them to be terrible.

Q. Do you have any advice for new authors?

A. Write what you feel strongly about, I guess? And it's sometimes helpful to have an objective to the whole thing, for the times when it seems the story is going nowhere or you get stuck in a particular aspect of it. Sort of like a thesis statement, so whenever you fumble you have something to refocus on.

Q. What do you think is the most important element in writing? Plot, characterization, relationship?

A. Characterization carries you a long way since they're the vehicle to bringing the readers to where you intend them to be, but I also feel like structure helps a lot with stories too. Just the way you scaffold a narrative, like laying down the kind of path you want your readers to follow and experience along the way to the end.

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#mdzs #author spotlight #vir abelasan

[plan-d-to-i]

tbh I don't even hate jc, I just don't care enough about him and I believe he fulfills his role in the story. Anyways, idk what's with Twitter and jc stans today but I saw this person calling wwx stans "genocide stans" which is gross af and you'll expect for this person to be like 14 but SHE'S 26.

And then she also made this cringey post saying Not gonna lie, I'd love it if we went from "JC loses his memory of WWX to find peace" and more "WWX realising he wants to reconcile and trying his best to make it happen, only for JC to turn around and say, completely serious, 'WWX, I don't give a shit anymore, leave me alone.'" and this is just beyond ???? As if it's not jc the one who's obsessed with wwx, not the other way around (and as if it's not wwx who actually realized he's better off without jc and living his best life with lwj, lol).

But, also, the thing that baffles me to no end is how much they hate wwx but they CRAVE for him to be all over and about jc. They need for wwx to validate jc sooo bad, it's pathetic and funny, lmao... It's also so obvious they just project onto jc. They act as if they have some 2D complex with him and he's their animu husbando but I can't help but feel they also project onto him and that's why they took wwx TOO PERSONAL and want for him to apologize (when he doesn't even have anything to apologize for, anyways) and to adore the shit out of jc... so that's why it feels to me like if their mediocre ass were jc and they see wwx as the cool dude they need to have at their feet imploring for their attention, you know? It's honestly unbelievable.

I mean you’ve basically said it perfectly.

Uh this has me 🙃: “this person calling wwx stans "genocide stans" ???? Did they mean to say jc stans are genocide stans? Since jc strategized & led the butchering of the war refugees in the burial mounds? I know for a while they tried to argue it was “family extermination”, even though that sentence had not been passed against the Wens, & defending it, as though killing the Wen remnants is framed as anything less than heinous in the novel itself. They weren’t even supposed to be in the labor death camps, where they were being tortured and killed HENCE the Jins doing it on the down low & vehemently denying the conditions?! Now my degree is in history. So I’m well aware people & different organizations are always debating/arguing about what ought to be defined as genocide. I’d argue there’s a difference between recognizing it from a human standpoint and needing it to legally stand up in an international court of law rife what are generally viewed as overly restrictive requirements, that have come under fire and demand for reform- especially as they currently exclude social & political groups. But if we were to force the concept in the mix in this case, it would apply to what was done to the innocent Wens post war. I mean mxtx is a modern woman and has no doubt had her world view shaped by 20th century history. The labor camp where the living conditions were such that they would ensure death in short order. The torture they endured there, used as human lures, & killed. Very importantly, the dehumanization : “Wen Dogs”. When WWX goes to save them & this happens:

“Wei WuXian, “Nobody would dare kill a single person? Is that true?”

The inspectors swore in unison, “Absolutely!”

“Not a single one!”

Wei WuXian smiled, “Oh. I understand.”

Immediately after, he continued calmly, “It’s because they’re Wen-dogs, and Wen-dogs aren’t people. So even if you killed them, it doesn’t count as having killed people. That’s what you mean, isn’t it?”

This was exactly what the lead inspector was thinking when he said it.”

And this ‘lovely’ short excerpt from jc! :

“Yes, they helped us before, but why in the world don’t you understand that right now any remnant of the Wen Sect is a target of criticism! No matter who they are, with a surname of Wen they have committed a most heinous crime!”

“If you can’t do it then move over—I’ll do it!”

So I think it would benefit jc stans to stay the away from this word since it will only make their toxic bae look infinitely worse.

Anyway moving on from this very loaded topic...

I totally agree w your conclusion on the stans. It’s cringe af. Like you say you love jc why are you so obsessed w WWX taking him back? Move on! He did. They seem baffled by the idea that people won’t stay around to be treated like trash forever? People are within their rights to leave if your presence in their life is toxic and damaging. Become a better person and it won’t happen. I mean by the end of the novel even Jin ling is over jc. jc can only keep people around by guilting them or holding duty over their head. Why would anyone want that in their lives? jc stans are absurd. The ones who are projecting on jc bc they relate to him, can’t accept the way he’s perceived by others because they can’t bear to know they’re perceived similarly. That’s just how people perceive assholes ? No one owes you shit. People aren’t forced to dig past your toxic rage walls & take your abuse in the hope of a sweet gentle center that probably isn’t there anyway. Therapy &/or some self growth would be infinitely more useful that just trying to make toxic, abusive traits great again & victim blaming 🙄😗.

#mdzs #Jiang cheng #wtf #no I don’t want to argue about the definition of genocide. I’ve met enough weird edgelords that love to do it when I did my studies

[pharahsgf]

Also the reason WWX was treated well bf is bc he’s Jiang 1st disciple, a position gained with his own skill. As part of the sect, he benefits from JFM’s lenient approach to sect discipline, but as all other non-Jiang disciples, he’s still their subordinate, liable to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the Jiang family at any moment, and their occasional kindness only means that he’s even more indebted to them in the eyes of everybody and his own. That's why YZY chose to throw him in the1

more wwx rich kid discourse! and i'm putting the rest of the ask + the response under a cut because it's a little long

the boat along JC as she knew he was the strongest in the sect and would never betray JC, and why she was putting up with WWX in the 1st place as he was useful to the sect. But also why WWX will never inherit the sect despite being more suitable to it by talent, training and understanding of sect values and instead had to give his golden core to the real heir. And his lack of a GC, having to hide it and JC throwing him out with a single word was what painted a giant target on his back. But WWX2

being too strong for a servant is also what makes him hated, when JZXun insults WWX bc of the nighthunt, NMJ of the sect where leaders regularly end up driven to madness by their bloodthirsty sabers (not really orthodox) took even more prey than WWX and no one minded. When LWJ stood up by YLLZ? Lan sect scrambled to cover it up to protect their reputation. Even after punching JZX, WWX says that JFM wouldn’t even have needed to come if it's JC who has done it (bc it would be such a non event)3

Also in cultivation lore, the sect is often inherited by the strongest, most deserving disciple regardless of family relationships, and iirc it was also the case in MDZS world before the Wens changed it to family based inheritance long ago and all the others followed suit. I believe that it’s a pointed worldbuilding change, and we are supposed to see JC as a failed heir and the unfairness of WWX being barred from a position suited to his many talents as much as the unfairness of JGY’s treatment.

i do feel like wei wuxian benefited from his closeness to the jiang family (jiang yanli even considered him her actual brother and treated him accordingly) but at the same time it's not like the jiang clan could have justified having him in such high positions if he wasn't capable and talented. compare and contrast jiang cheng, who's set to inherit the sect despite his cultivation being merely decent and his morals nonexistent. this might be a 4head comment but the fact that jiang cheng is the sect heir despite both jiang parents recognising wei wuxian as the better option is already indicative of a system where wei wuxian is, on at least some level, disprivileged.

i agree w you on the boat thing lol, the jiang clan gave wei wuxian a lot but their ambition for him was to be jiang cheng's loyal servant, and both madame yu and jiang fengmian were very clear in their expectations of wei wuxian to sacrifice himself for the sake of their children.

good points about nie mingjue and lan wangji - the criticism wei wuxian gets is not unfounded, but higher ranked cultivators would have gotten away with the same things or gotten the protection of their clan. wei wuxian is ultimately left to fend for himself, which is not something i can imagine happening to any other nobility character.

honestly idk about the sect politics lore but i do think your interpretation makes sense. (points at jc) this is why we have to appoint people based on merit rather than status

#replies #anonymous

[ouyangzizhensdad]

i feel like the younger jc that people fixate on (much like how ppl fixate on pre sunshot era in general lol) can probably be simplified and written off as a tsundere style character which people are very into and very into uwu-ing. like the whole being gruff and mean but 'twin prides of yunmeng!!11!!' even if his personality later on leans more into the tsun tsun and entirely lacks the dere dere lmfao

(tsun tsun and lack of dere dere  dfgdfgdfgdfgfdgfdgfddg golden)

IMO, I think it is important to differentiate younger JC (before the whole LP burning down and losing his core) and the JC that comes after. Younger JC is incredibly flawed, and has a lot of things that he should address, but he’s a little bit at this point like Jin Ling: he’s still where we could see him choosing to self-reflect and grow as a person. 

The JC that comes after, and especially the JC we meet 13 years after WWX’s death, is a man who burrowed deep into his flaws and got stuck in a negative feedback loop that made him into a not great person (something that is compounded by the fact that he is a man who holds an extraordinary position of power and benefits from unimaginable privilege within the society he inhabits which thus gives him a wild berth to be cruel and violent towards others if he so wishes). 

TBH, I see a lot of people portraying younger JC as a villain, and it is always a little bit difficult for me because all I can think about is “based on your criteria y’all would say that my relationship with my siblings was abusive and horrible 😬” and believe that the only dénouement our relationship could have would be to have us become estranged, lmao. Basically, based on my experience, I sort of feel like I get the dynamic that I think MXTX aimed to portray with younger JC and younger WWX? 

My siblings and I fought all the time, physically and verbally (that’s literally how I learned to weave an argument because we were arguing with each other all the time). My little brother and I fought literally everywhere: our mom couldn’t take us shopping together because we’d end up wrestling on the ground in the middle of the aisle of the dollar store. We’d hit each other all the time if one of us said something dumb or mean or irritating (and that’s not even touching upon the fact that I was getting into fights with boys at schools and in afterschool activities). We threatened bodily harm or death based on the slightest inconvenience. We called each other names, and would find any occasion to belittle one another. When I was about four years old, I thought I was adopted since I didn’t look like my siblings or my parents, and was so thoroughly convinced of the idea that I was treated worse as a result that I ‘ran away’ from home all the time (neighbours would find me wandering in the streets or in the woods, or even hiding in their homes). My sister and I were jealous of the fact that our parents were incredibly lenient towards our younger brother, my sister was incredibly jealous that my brother and I had gotten more attention from our parents, and my little brother used to be jealous of the fact that my sister and I were more accomplished and used it as proof that he was the stupid sibling that was not made for school (spoiler alert: he was just not trying and got better grades than both of us in uni). And yet, we just thought that this was how siblings acted toward one another. When, during a family gathering, I tried to catch my brother’s attention by yelling “oi, you fucking halfwit!” and scandalized one of my aunts, my brother was the one to shrug and tell her that it was just how we talked to one another and that she was the one being weird for overreacting. Honestly, compared to how we were, JC is fucking tame. I was more violent with random boys than younger JC is ever shown to be. And yet, my siblings and I are close, and yes, we still love to argue and make fun of each other. Part of that is because we had time to grow and mature. But part of it is just that, although our relationship was far from being perfect, we sort of knew that underneath it all we loved each other in our own weird and dysfunctional way, and never doubted it. To us, calling each other names like “giant cunt” or “shitty bastard” was a way of showing endearment, to belittle one another was a demonstration of our closeness--we grew out of that phase, as we should, but we never really doubted that it meant something at the time. So I feel like I personally get what MXTX was doing with the portrayal of their relationship as teenagers. 

Of course, I need to point out that JC and WWX’s relationship is a little bit different, because they are not actually siblings, and their social positions are different. But to me the breakdown really happens once JC becomes a worse version of himself and lets himself be consumed by his negativity and his flaws, refusing growth and self-reflection and empathy. It would have been possible for JC to grow and self-reflect, and to develop a more mature relationship with a WWX who still understood that, although JC was not perfect and ended up hurting him at times because of these flaws of his, they had a relationship that was worth preserving and nurturing. That is no longer the case after everything that takes places and all the choices JC makes, and by the end of the novel WWX considers that it is better to leave it all in the past, both the good and the bad, both the affection and the hatred. 

#wwx #jc #little bit too personal but that's what y'all are getting #anon ask #trying to translate insults into english is so hard because it's so unimaginative and also not vulgar enough but what can you do

[hunxi-guilai]

Hey, so sadly I can't link posts in asks but I saw a gif set of LWJ the other day, during the time he and WWX are chasing the yon iron, they're in an inn with JC and NHS. The yin iron does a thing in LWJ's wardrobe and he doubles over and is visibly in so much discomfort/ pain(?), and considering he walked around on a broken leg for who knows how long without moving a muscle in his face? How much pain is this thing causing him that he loses it in front of JC and NHS, in public??

(were you perhaps referring to this gifset?)

So I went off a bit in the tags of that gifset already about literally what the fuck is happening in that moment, but your ask is making me think far more than I ever wanted to about the relationship of cultivation to a cultivator’s spiritual vs. physical existence

because if there’s one thing this show is dramatically inconsistent about, it’s what kind of injuries can be survived by whom and for how long, as well as how effective spiritual energy is for 1) numbing pain, and 2) accelerating healing. What does giving someone else your spiritual energy even do? How is it that Wei Wuxian, after removal of his golden core, can still benefit from spiritual energy infusion? What does it mean to seal away spiritual energy?

What in the name of all that is holy are the mechanics of cultivation and cultivation-based secondary powers????

Here is a partially-formed thought I haven’t really hammered out into an internally consistent theory yet: I’m wondering if cultivation, to a certain extent, offers a transcendence of the spiritual/mental over the physical, which is how Lan Wangji can run around on a broken leg -- his cultivation level is high enough that he can, within certain limits, ignore physical injury as long as his spiritual energy doesn’t give out. This dovetails nicely with what little I’ve gleaned about the mechanics of qi deviation, which has both physical and mental/spiritual components

The key part of this moment anon is referring to, then, is Wei Wuxian’s line: 凝神 ningshen / concentrate. Literally, 凝 ning means to freeze, coagulate, congeal, and 神 shen can be anywhere from spirit to mind to aspects of divinity. He’s telling Lan Wangji to gather his scattered mind, to collect his spirit, to concentrate his soul so it can withstand the assault of the yin iron

so there’s an interpretation of this moment in which the yin iron isn’t hurting him, per se -- it’s not causing Lan Wangji physical pain, but it’s doing an absolute number on Lan Wangji’s spiritual/mental control 

we already know that Lan Wangji has a terrifying pain tolerance -- from 300 strokes with the discipline boards during summer school to the entire Xuanwu Cave arc on a broken leg to 33 lashes of the discipline whip, all without breaking (well, it is viscerally painful to watch him flinch when Wei Wuxian is trying to apply medicine to his leg in the cave) -- so honestly, I think the yin iron making him lose control is less a matter of physical pain and more of a matter of mental/spiritual disturbance

#ask and ye shall receive #who do I have to pay to get some consistent worldbuilding around here #CQL worldbuilding #Lan Wangji

[wangxianfics]

Title: A Change In Scenery

Author: nirejseki

Universe: Canon Divergence

Status: Complete

Rating: Not Rated

Length: Short (1+K)

Summary:

The healers said it was trauma.

Perhaps he was too young, or too sensitive; perhaps it was only that it had happened in such a way, at such an impressionable time – in any event, Lan Wangji’s reactions to his mother’s death had gone well beyond the normal signs of grief and turned into something much more severe.

After some intense discussion, it was agreed that he should be temporarily sent to live as a guest in another sect to see if he would benefit from the change of scenery. From not being around the place where he was drowning in the memories of his mother.

They sent him to the Jiang Sect.

Recommended by: @shamelesswngxian

Comments:

The one where after LWJ’s mother dies, he’s sent to live in Lotus Pier. JC, WWX and LWJ are childhood friends and my heart sings because I honestly can’t get enough of these three and the idea of them growing up together. This fic touches on LWJ’s trauma and even when they’re kids, LWJ knows there’s no one else that understands him better than WWX does.

#mdzs #theuntamed #complete #canondivergence #short #notrated #trauma #mute!lwj #kid!jc #kid!wwx #kid!lwj #childhoodfriends #lwj&jc #lwjgrewupinlotuspier #jiangraised!lwj #lotuspier #lwjinlotuspier #prerelationship #povlwj #author:nirejseki

[screaming-inthe-void]

Okay, so this is going to contain some major spoilers for mdzs regarding golden cores and cultivation. If you don't know exactly what I'm talking about I'd finish your version of the watching/reading experience then come back.

Also, I'm drawing pretty heavily from both Scum Villain Self Saving System and Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation for this, so if the information between the two books are wildly different and only alike in genre than this post will make little sense.

So, onto my point.

First, the term 'golden core's. Now in SVSSS it's implied that most people don't get far enough in cultivation training to develop a golden core, but that it meant they were farther developed and closer to being immortal. In MDZS it's much more common, though I'm unsure of if that's because it's just more common or because it focuses on sect leaders and other powerful figures. Now it's sort of implicitly stated that everyone named in MDZS has a golden core (except civilian types like YangLi) but if you consider points from SVSSS I would consider the 'weaker cultivators' as those who hadn't developed a golden core or improperly developed a golden core, such as Nie HuaiSung (and you know the little shit did it on purpose, but that's a whole other post).

Now in both novels having a golden core came with a few benefits. Inedia (the ability to function without food by using spiritual essence as a replacement), increased physical strength (Wei being unable to hold himself up when Jiang pushes him for example), temperature regulation (pretty sure people mention this a few times though aparently the Cold Spring in Gusu is too cold for that?), the ability to wield a spiritual weapon (hence Wei not using Suibian post core-shift), and healing abilities (by this I mean both the external use of healing by putting spiritual essence into someone else and being able avoid bleeding out from a missing ARM).

So we know that after giving his core to Jiang he gets thrown into the Burrial Mounds where he is beset by resentful energy which his golden core cannot protect him from. Mastering this is how he is still able to use cultivation without a core, as instead of his own core, he uses external resentment to power his talismans and corpse-control music.

But using this isnt the same as having a golden core.

It's been a while since I read this part, but I just watched Untamed again and he's clearly holding his chest throughout the show as though he's constantly in pain, so I imagine there are many things different. If he's using external power for his cultivation then he can't automatically do things he's used to.

But he'd probably forget this.

Just imagine for me-

- WWX leaning heavily on his flute because hey it's okay that my brother stabbed me in the gut just to make it seem like I defected. I'll heal, no need for WQ to patch me up, someone else could use those supplies. Why am I coughing blood?

-WWX being relieved that he's renowned for liking spicy food and liquor because they're the only things keeping him warm when it would be odd to ask for more blankets. Not that anyone would notice if he did.

-WWX pestering JLY for her soup and cooking more often. She thinks it's because it's a war and he's homesick or heartsick but he's honestly starving because high level cultivators don't get large portions so that they have enough food to go around to the common soldiers on the battlefield, and everyone knows WWX is scary powerful so why would he need large portions anyways?

-having to avoid wearing ANY sword casually, let alone Suibian because what if he gets challenged to a fight and he cant refuse they'd break his guard in a moment and then his secret would be out and JC would be furious, the Wens would be in danger and he'd rather face ridicule for the rest of his life than watch that happen.

-watching fellow cultivators jump on their sword and having to make quick excuses why he 'forgot his sword' or 'could use the exercise' or 'wanted to hold onto LWJ- WHY ARE THEY FLYING AWAY' but being secretly relieved when they scoff and think he's arrogant.

- honestly believing that he can regulate his emotions and the amulet's influence because he's used to having a core to pass things through to purify them and he forgets this sometimes and he panics. But he promised LWJ it wouldn't consume him. So obviously he can't be losing his control, he's just righteously angry, who wouldn't be? (He's losing his mind and he knows it)

BONUS:

- WWX instinctively runs from fights now, dodging and diving and using the dark tricks he'd taught himself. He braces himself for a surge of resentment, anger- but it's not coming? It's muted, barely there and he realizes, MXY doesnt have a golden core- he was kicked out of the Jin sect before it formed, but even though he cant use SuiBian properly he STILL HAS SPIRITUAL ENERGY. He feels boneless with a sort of longing relief.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #wei wuxian #headcannon #the untamed #mdzs meta #im gonna cry for my boi #golden core #anime

[crossdressingdeath]

It always bothers me when I see people claiming that the people around WWX bore the consequences of his actions. There was really nothing wrong with WWX’s actions themselves, but more the way other people reacted to them. I mean, if we try to claim that demonic cultivation itself was the root of the problem we’d be ignoring that the majority of sects (including the Jiangs) were more than happy to reap the benefits of that during the war, and a large reason why they won so quickly with so 1/5

few casualties was because of him. But as soon as the war was over and he was no longer of use to anyone, that’s when they all turned on him. And honestly, as much as people go on about him being being impulsive and ignorant of rules and politics…what exactly did he do wrong? He turned his back on the cultivation world in order to protect the Wens. Considering we see him bringing this up and everyone disregards him, the Jins pretty much had everyone fooled and no one was going to listen 2/5

to a demonic cultivator and the son of a servant over one of the biggest cultivation sects - what exactly was he supposed to do aside from just straight up leaving them to die? And we know he wasn’t going to get any help from the Jiangs, since JC’s immediate reaction was to refuse all help, repeatedly ask WWX to leave the Wens to die, and then declare WWX an enemy when he could have EASILY ended this whole thing…seriously WHAT could WWX have done differently? He did everything he 3/5

could to protect the people under his protection. And the rest of the cultivation world didn’t like that and responded negatively to that. JZX might have died because of WWX, but are we going to ignore the events leading up to that, which definitely weren’t WWX’s fault? The fact that the Jins ambushed him, threatened his life, and set in place the events leading up to JZX’s death? Or that the people at the nightless city were planning an ambush to kill WWX and the Wens? That someone 4/5

else killed JYL, despite everyone still somehow being obsessed with the idea that WWX did it, when that’s definitely not how this works. And don’t even get me started on the fall of lotus pier, we know how much BS that is. Seriously - the people around WWX do not pay the price for his actions. If anything, it’s WWX and the Wens who pay the price for theirs. 5/5

The thing that gets me is that WWX actually goes out of his way to prevent people from having to take the consequences of his actions. To the point where the people who love him (LWJ and the Wens, mostly) actually get very upset with him for it, because preventing people from taking any of the consequences for his actions extends to refusing to ask for help to avoid being an inconvenience! Even when he should make other people take the consequences because it's their own fucking fault that things turned out the way they did he refuses! Especially since it's always like "Oh, poor JC, WWX forced him to put his brother down like Old Yeller" and like. do these people even hear themselves. It's the double whammy of claiming WWX (WWX, quite possibly the most selfless character in the whole damn novel!) is forcing other people to take the consequences of his actions and blaming WWX for JC's decision to be a whole treacherous piece of shit! Ah, what a delight this fandom can be.

#mdzs #wei wuxian #grapehate

[crossdressingdeath]

Oh god you’re actually right, JC stans have this obsession with letting JC have everything WWX has and leaving WWX with nothing. It’s like how they insist that WWX and JC are brothers (simply for the fact that they probably want JC to have a ‘big’ brother to fawn over him) but then also insist that WWX is JC’s subordinate and should serve him for life, despite that being the literal opposite of what brotherhood is. Or how WWX are brothers and it’s fine if JFM disregards WWX’s safety 1/5

and show an obvious lack of care for his well-being, but if WWX isn’t being treated badly, then it’s an obvious slight to JC. Because even though we get proof that JFM cares more about JC, he still apparently favours JC. And it’s this really creepy mindset, that WWX shouldn’t get to be happy if JC isn’t happy. Or that if JC is happy, then WWX should still be absolutely miserable, because that’s apparently a thing. And then of course the people who seem to love fics where JC ‘stands up 2/5

for himself and tells WWX what’s on his mind’ which essentially ends with him ranting about the same things he always does, WWX rebutting with some very valid facts and JC giving some weak arguments (WWX: you killed the Wen remnants, JC: well, you killed Wens during the war too” JC you fuckwit it was a war, he didn’t just go and massacre a village full of civilians). But these always end with JC storming off and 3/5

living his best life and WWX literally grovelling and begging for his forgiveness, and - these people are seriously missing the point! WWX would not care! He’s moved on! Yes he is probably still nostalgic for the past and does still care for JC, but he has moved on with his life. He’s happily married, has a new family, his son is safe and WWX gets to see him whenever he wants, he’s still able to see his BFF WN, he has a new purpose at the CR - seriously, the guy is happy with his life! 4/5

And we see that he has no desire to go home in the extras. JC is the only one still Clinton gtl the past. Or maybe he doesn’t want anything to do with WWX now - and in that case, can’t people just let them move on with their lives. But yeah, there’s this strange thing where JC stans are almost like extensions of him, and they all despise WWX for JC’s shortcomings. It’s honestly so weird. 5/5

Yeah, people seem to miss the fact that the conclusion of the “Twin Prides” relationship is... WWX deciding he doesn’t care anymore. He doesn’t want to see JC hurt, but he’s not going to grovel and argue and fight for the chance to go back to being JC’s punching bag. He doesn’t want JC to “forgive” him, he wants to be free to live his own life. He shows zero interest in making up with JC or returning to Lotus Pier, and in fact is more than a little put out at being forced to return. And yeah, it’s... genuinely kind of funny how many reconciliation fics have WWX rebutting all of JC’s arguments perfectly while JC offers weak nonsense at best tangentially related to the topic at hand in return... and then expect the audience to think JC’s in the right. “You killed people during a war so me starting a war against a civilian population for absolutely zero benefit is totally fine!” Uh-huh. Makes total sense. Also like. canonically WWX has a wonderful life with a loving family where he’s happy about pretty much every aspect of his existence aside from the results of his past while JC is a bitter jackass who everyone avoids, so... which of them is living their best life, exactly?

#mdzs #grapehate #anon #asks

[crossdressingdeath]

I really wonder how people get the idea that jc and lwj mutually blame each other for wwx's death and that's where their animosity comes from. literally what reason would jc have to blame lwj for wwx's death, and why would that make him angry when he spends 13 years hunting down and killing people because they might be wwx? even with cql's cliff scene, jc was the one who made it possible for wwx to let go? in any canon, lwj is probably the least culpable person for wwx's death!

I mean, JC might blame LWJ. Anything to avoid accepting his own fault. ...Although he doesn’t, because JC happily takes credit for killing WWX. I mean, it is his biggest ever achievement. LWJ blames JC because it was JC’s fault; JC doesn’t blame anyone because WWX’s death directly benefitted him and also he likes being known as the guy who took down the Yiling Patriarch and if he blames someone else he might lose that reputation. People uh. vastly overestimate how sad JC is about WWX’s death. And honestly if JC blames LWJ that says more about JC than LWJ, given... yeah, JC was fully to blame for WWX’s death while at worst LWJ didn’t protect him.

#mdzs #grapehate #lwj has every reason to blame jc for wwx's death while jc has no right to blame lwj #anon #asks