#no point is being argued

[jade-curtiss]

The weird thing I have to realize about anti-vax (after having talked a lot to someone who've been misattributed the label, but then she was like one of those rare outlier and there was a nuance to be made, like she couldn't get the vaccine due to an allergy to a component, her severely disabled brother died out of an allergic reaction, but she was aware they were outliers, but still the shock) is that contrary to what people might believe: these people weren't exactly as persecuted as what people might think. I mean, I lived with the person and had to see it for what it was (especially since she had that major thing making her as an outlier) and to be honest that's where it gets special: for one hater she had like 10 stans. To the point it was kinda ridiculous, and like she was kind of the opposite of what comes with the anti-vaxx baggage, so on the surface it seemed like she had it good, but....hm imagine going through something fucking traumatizing then there's people worshipping you because of it (as if it was an accomplishment) and turns out if they find out what kind of person you really are like they'd backstab you in an instant. Hm.

#and the thing is she was exactly the kind of person who complained we didn't had enough accomodations like... #i swear it was like she was constantly being sent the wors...no...the bests the elite of the dashcam video #and i swear the funniest thing about these video is that most of the time #no point is being argued #it's just some guy past 45 yelling circular rhetoric that is so empty of an actual opinion on anything it's like #ok yelling is cathartic we get it thanks for your contribution

[egophiliac]

Hi it's just to let you know that the official romanization of Revaan's name is Raverne ! Also they have romanized Baul's name to Baur !

Twst coming back at us again with the least expected romanization! thank you everybody (oh god my inbox) (no it's great, I literally asked for this and the reactions have been INCREDIBLE, thank you all!)

I do like Raverne though, I think it's got a nice fancy sound to it! (I had kinda suspected it was going to be an R instead of an L, so the fact that it's SO close to Laverne except for that is hilarious to me personally.) and Dragoneye Duke is honestly probably the best translation for his title, I wasn't envying the localizers that one. :') Baur instead of Baul I was NOT expecting, but in retrospect I think his name's supposed to be a reference to the Bauru crocodile, so that actually makes way more sense!

someone else also said Meleanor has become Maleanor, which is the REALLY weird one to me, because I was so surprised it was written as Mel instead of Mal in the first place?! oh god no I can't decide which one I like better. 😭 (I wonder if they might change it to Mal...they have made romanization changes before) (like I remember House of Distraction being corrected to House of Destruction in Playful Land) (I did check and she's still Mel for now, but I dunno, they might Mal her up and some point and save me from having to make a decision about which one to use) (HECK I CAN'T DECIDE)

uhhhh thank you for letting me ramble about anime names, let's just say MONOGRAMMED SWEATERS FOR EVERYONE

#twisted wonderland #twisted wonderland spoilers #twisted wonderland episode 7 spoilers #twisted wonderland book 7 spoilers #twisted wonderland episode 7 part 4 spoilers #twisted wonderland book 7 part 4 spoilers #mel is so cute but mal fits with the rest of the draconias better #eng version no you were supposed to save me not make things MORE confusing #anyway raverne huh #that uh. that sure feels like it's supposed to evoke raven doesn't it. #what does it mean WHAT DOES IT MEAN #hold on i'm going to flail around embarrassingly about anime character theories now #(okay first a disclaimer: i do think we need to sit down as a fandom at some point) #(and have a discussion about exactly what is actual canon versus meta speculation versus jokes) #(because i think there has been. some confusion. over that re:crowley and raverne specifically) #(but i do feel justified in being like THEY ARE PROBABLY CONNECTED SOMEHOW RIGHT?! right now) #like i really don't think it's as simple as crowley being raverne but with memory loss or something #(and if they pull that on us i'm going to need an EXTREMELY good explanation to go with it to justify that) #they've gone out of their way several times now to make a point about them acting and sounding different and it feels very intentional to m #(and once again: i super 100% absolutely do not believe that lilia wouldn't recognize him with the top half of his face covered) #i just think the contradictions are a lot stronger than the connections right now but there ARE some connections and i'm 👀ing at them #to be fair the connections are mostly meta like crowley being diablo/raverne being evocative of raven #also the general 'raverne mysteriously disappeared and apparently had distinctive eyes' thing #versus 'crowley's past is unknown and he never shows his eyes' #(i will argue that crowley DOES seem to have some kind of canon connection to briar valley) #(since he is clearly some sort of fae and the masks are a briar valley thing) #and that is kinda it right now isn't it #okay hold on i had to delete some tags because i used too many (thanks tumblr for letting me know and not just vanishing them OH WAIT) #so tl;dr: i'm in the 'crowley is connected to raverne somehow but it's more complicated than just him being in disguise' camp personally #but that will probably change as we get more info and also don't take this as an anti-speculation thing because i love theories HOORAY

[crawley-fell]

#aziraphale's little face in that last one. being caught proving the very point you were trying to argue against #dw bestie we've all been there just keep being stubborn x #also a moment of silence for this colouring okay because i thought this was gonna be a bitch but?? idk i think i slayed w/e #good omens #gomens #good omens gifs #good omens 2 #ineffable husbands #aziraphale x crowley #crowley #aziraphale #crowley x aziraphale #aziracrow #usersugar #tsusermels #userrlorelei #usereena #my gifs

[jaggedjot]

Foreshadowing is opening the season with the tale of a child vampire whose physical otherness causes it to be rejected by its kin, before being killed when they deem it unable to live independently, and how their parent, who is as culpable for their fate as they are grief stricken by it, decides to follow them into death.

#fascinated by it being the mother who ultimately kills the child #fascinated by others giving the parent a future and reasons to live and that still can't outweigh their despair #fascinated by the implications that Claudia's death may be argued to be a mercy rather than her live a life as a 'mistake' #I'm looking at my prediction card and the answer to the question 'how does it feel to know that you are winning?' is 'not good' #Daciana #Claudia #Louis de Pointe du Lac #Interview with the Vampire #Jagged Jottings

[confoodles]

If I had a nickel for every time Mariah played a character that was incredibly attached to their phone to the point of putting themselves/others in harm's way because of it, I'd have 3 nickels which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened 3 times.

#bonus points if she ends up having an argument abt it #with her father figure played by corey dorris #guess who's rewatching nightmare time #tbh the putting themselves or others in harm's way is kinda a stretch for steph #but i wanted to include all 3 queens so #u could argue that trying to give ur phone to eldritch beings could endanger u #also i literally forgot that zoey smashed her phone #and i was like #oh my god #there's 3 of them :00 #anyway these tags r too long #starkid #hatchetfield #hatchetverse #zoey chambers #stephanie lauter #steph lauter #alice woodward #npmd #nerdy prudes must die #nightmare time #npmd spoilers #i guess #mariah rose faith casillas

[ominous-horse-noises]

main takeaway from certain fan reactions to the finale is this:

the final scene with ankarna was so meaningful to the bad kids' arcs and how they made peace with being wronged by people they loved, and if all you can focus on is that the rat grinders didn't get much screentime, then you don't love dimension20 and you don't love this world: you want to be playing your own hs themed dnd campaign and you're mad the oc versions of the rat grinders you made up in your head acted ooc. these are not your characters and this is not their story.

#sorry but it made me so mad after seeing that scene and the epilogues of tbks progressing on their journey to healing #that all anyone cared about was the fucking rat grinders not getting a steven universe moment to explain how trying to end the world was ok #brennan went out of his way to point out klck CHOSE rage over her friends + abused her party for her own selfish agenda and ppl are mad #that tbks didnt want to revive her. where was this outcry for penelope everpetal who was arguably more manipulated and is also in HELL #i keep harping on that point but its such an obvious comparison i feel insane that these ppl dont get it #ppl are even trying to argue against lucy's own words ab being upset her friend MURDERED her bc they flattened her to their uwu soft girl #like lucy was never a doormat. she was braver than all of them. why would she be unconditionally forgiving at her party for being evil #sorry ur toxic yuri ship sucked. klck didnt care she died. the real yuri shouldve been yolanda and zara. if u even care #actually im more annoyed we didnt some quick zara resolution but ppl are too hung up on trgs to notice #dimension 20 #fantasy high junior year #fhjy #fhjy spoilers #fhjy discourse #i guess

[frobby]

one of my favorite kim dokja fails is when he was telling yoo sangah his backstory and he asks sangah if she knows his mom's book and shes like "yeah I've heard of it!" then at the end hes like "im joking, that didn't happen, that book doesnt exist and my relationship to my parents is normal :)" boy backtracked so hard he tried to get rid of easily verifiable facts

#i do this though so i get it #but it was funny that he was like 'you know this book?' and then at the end he realized hes being vulnerable for the first time in his life #and hes like 'uhhh actually it doesnt exist' #and also the convo started cuz sangah heard him arguing with his mom so the 'my relationship with my mom is normal' is just insult to injur #obvi she didnt believe him cuz who would after such a fumble lol #orv #kim dokja #yoo sangah #omnicient reader's view point

[lonelyyvampire]

"You know, Real Rashid, I'm pretty good at my job, a bright young reporter with a point of view. Interviewed a fallen Catholic archbishop, four Enron vice presidents, and if they've got something to hide, they always start with some kind of disguise. Not literally, not some dumb Halloween costume, gloves, contact lenses. They tell jokes, they're charming. And then at some crisis point when I get close, it drops away and I see a flash of the truth."

#the crisis point here being louis and armand arguing and then danny starts to remember more and more #his flashes of the truth #iwtvedit #iwtv #interview with the vampire #tvedit #assad zaman #louis de pointe du lac #jacob anderson #eric bogosian #daniel molloy #the vampire armand #armand #luke brandon field #myedits #I haven't made gifs in a while pls be nice to me lol

[fromtheseventhhell]

I have a question for people who fervently argue that Arya has no potential for politics but think that Sansa will be one of the main political characters, and I'm asking this seriously.

If Arya learning multiple languages, how to tell + detect lies, how to rule her face so she doesn't reveal her emotions, being able to blend into different situations, thinking quick on her feet, knowing the importance of gathering information, being someone who makes friends wherever she goes, convincing a FM to help free Northern prisoners and participating in a coup, etc. don't make Arya capable of participating in politics...what exactly is it that you think Sansa will be doing as a political figure?

#arya stark #sansa stark #asoiaf #cause I would genuinely like someone to explain to me why people argue so passionately against Arya being a political character #to the point that they pretend there's zero overlap between what she's learning and what a 'political' character should know #I always see people reduce her to being a fighter and ignoring her other skills so it's obvious you think they could be useful so? #/politics/ is such a broad term too...there are so many different ways for a character to be political and I just don't understand #why people are so restrictive when thinking about how characters can occupy that space #this isn't a dig at Sansa this is me genuinely wondering what you guys think being political means and what she'll be doing #if you don't think Arya having any of these skills qualify her 😭 #Arya and Sansa can both be political characters it isn't an either or scenario #this isn't the show where only one person can be the poorly written so-called /smart one/ #I don't need any /no one says this!/ comments either...if you aren't someone who thinks like this then feel free to move on

[gay-jesus-probably]

Seeing as the Gerudo turned on Ganon, he might not have been that much better of a ruler.

First of all, we literally have no idea, because the only ancient Gerudo that we actually get to interact with is Ganondorf himself, and he has nothing to say about his own people. The ancient Gerudo sage doesn't count btw, she doesn't have a name, we never even see her face, and she has literally nothing to say except repeating the exact same dialogue as the sages for the other races. The narrative does not treat the ancient sages as people; they are four completely interchangable weapons that are owned by the royal family.

And secondly, I don't care how Ganon ruled them; the Gerudo only get one man every century, if their king sucks, they've obviously got their own system of government to fall back on. I have no idea what kind of authority the sages had among their own people, but honestly I'd say if the four of them were in charge of their respective people, then they were just puppet rulers appointed by Rauru, given that all four of them happily agreed that to sell their entire race into servitude the second Zelda asked them. Say what you will about Ganondorf, but I fucking know that if he was told the Gerudo people existed for the sole purpose of serving the glory of Hyrule, he'd drop kick Zelda into the fucking sun.

And don't get me started on the implications of the cultural differences we see between the independent Gerudo and the annexed Gerudo. The background Gerudo characters all have their own models, and we can clearly see that the ones siding with Ganon have their own unique looks - for example, the amazing lady with the mohawk that summons the molduga swarm in that one flashback. And men are never mentioned in these flashbacks at all, which implies that the Gerudo genuinely didn't care about settling down. Ganon even speaks derisively about marriage, implying that it's very rare for Gerudo women to make serious romantic commitments with men. It implies that their culture is more along the same line as their portrayal in OOT - they are a closed culture. Men trying to force their way into their areas are arrested, and mocked for being entitled dumbasses. Outsiders are only welcome if they can prove that they respect the Gerudo as people, and aren't just there to try and pick up chicks. It's never outright said, but OOT also makes it pretty clear that the Gerudo women just aren't interested in marrying outsiders - close relationships occur with other Gerudo, Hylian men are only considered useful for making babies.

Meanwhile the Gerudo we see serving Hyrule are all trying to measure up to Hylian beauty standards, and appeal to their men. Their one goal in life is to meet a man and get married. Men are welcome in their lands, and only kept out of the town itself... and even then, there's a small army of guys trying to force their way into the town anyways, which is brushed off as just haha, boys will be boys. No men allowed isn't even about independence, it's just a silly romantic tradition.

Of course this is just a fictional culture in a game world, but it's still really fucking uncomfortable that the 'evil' Gerudo are the ones that have independence, both politically and socially, and display a unique culture that refuses to tolerate disrespect from outsiders. Meanwhile the 'good' Gerudo are the ones that canonically exist to serve a kingdom where 95% of the population is light skinned (even setting aside the unfortunate implications, just saying one race exists to serve a different one is super fucked up), they have classes on how to be more appealing to Hylian's, and their entire social structure is built around finding a Hylian man to marry, making them all inherently dependent on the goodwill of outsiders. Even their biggest value of 'women only' is treated as a joke; men trying to trespass in BOTW are just shoved back out the door, letting them keep trying all day if they want. The crowds of men plotting to force their way in are laughed off as a joke. Nobody cares that there's a guy running laps around their city walls and trying to trick women into being alone with him. I mean for fucks sake, in TOTK we find that the creepy guy trying to lure women away has taken advantage of a massive disaster to get into the town, and he's still there once things return to normal. You can't kick him out, or alert anyone to his presence. And the Gerudo just tolerate Hylians blatantly ignoring their boundaries. For fucks sake, TOTK even reveals that the seven legendary heroines they've been revering the whole time were actually completely useless and unable to achieve anything... because they needed the eighth hero, a Hylian man to teach them basic tactics and do all the heavy lifting.

TOTK does not respect the Gerudo people in the slightest. It doesn't respect anyone who isn't Hylian or Zonai.

...This got a little off track, but the point I'm trying to make is, no, I don't consider the Gerudo turning on Ganon to mean anything. The entire game does not feel like the real story of what happened, it feels like the propaganda version of history meant to make Hyrule look as good as possible. I genuinely cannot believe that we're being told the real story about the Imprisoning War, because none of it feels real, and we don't get to know any details that might have made Hyrule look even slightly imperfect. We're told that Ganondorf is evil because he hates Hyrule, and he hates Hyrule because he's evil. The Gerudo people followed Ganondorf and saw him as a hero of their people, then suddenly he was their worst enemy. Hyrule is a perfect kingdom that has strong, equal alliances with the other races, but also all of the non-Hylian races exist for the sole purpose of serving Hyrule, and their leaders are expected to swear eternal loyalty and submission to the Hylian royal family. King Rauru and Queen Sonia united all of the races in peace and equality, which is why they're sitting on the world's supply of magical nuclear missiles, and every member of the Hylian royal family is allowed to walk around wearing them as cute accessories, but everyone else only gets them at the last second, and they all need to outright swear to only use that power to benefit Rauru and his descendants.

There's just so many fucked up contradictions, and so many hints of something more nuanced going on... but the story refuses to acknowledge any of it, and just keeps aggressively pushing the narrative that Hyrule is the ultimate good and couldn't possibly do anything wrong. I don't even believe that Ganon was a bad king honestly; we never hear why his people stopped following him. We also never even see if the Gerudo people turned on him at all; all we know is the ancient Gerudo sage wanted him dead, and given that she also happily sold her people into slavery, she's not exactly the most trustworthy source of information. All we know is that Ganondorf was a hero to his people, only one of his citizens is ever shown having an issue with him (and her motives are never explained), and then he lost the war and was sealed away, leaving his people open to be conquered by Zelda and annexed into Hyrule. By the time we see any Gerudo actually opposing Ganon (apart from the ancient sage), it's been ten thousand years since the war, and all anyone knows is the Hylian version of the story.

#tears of the kingdom spoilers #tears of the kingdom #ganondorf #the secret bonus reason for me arguing about this so much is that it's interesting #on a surface reading TOTK is a really boring story. nothing changes nobody learns anything there's no nuance #the game explains the entire story to us in the opening cutscene. idk why they bothered with the rest of the game #you could walk down those stairs in the intro and kill ganon immediately and it'd be pretty much the exact same story #if i take the game at face value then there's literally nothing to talk about. i just straight up do not care. #but analyzing all the fucked up implications nintendo accidentally included? now thats a story to talk about #i dont think ganondorf is secretly a really nice guy. i think he's more interesting if he's actually a complete bastard #but he's a complete bastard that has a point and if the game wont acknowledge that then i will #sure the people he's fighting against seem nice. but they're not actually good people #i mean ffs zelda certainly doesnt seem concerned that she last saw link taking a fatal blow for her then jumping into a bottomless pit #she doesn't even consider that he might be dead. or just unable/unwilling to fight after being horrifically wounded #at least BOTW had the decency to ask Link if he was willing to risk his life to fight ganon

[scarrletmoon]

you know if the writers actually didn’t care about izzy, they wouldn’t have had him talk to ricky and they would’ve shot him in the head without any chance to say his final words

but i guess if you think izzy is as, or more, important as the main characters despite all evidence to the contrary, this won’t make sense to you

he got more screen time in s2 not bc he was becoming a major character but bc he was getting a send off. the signs were there from the beginning. if you feel blindsided, it’s because you watched the show assuming izzy was going to be something more than a narrative foil and antagonist designed to be a source of conflict between the actual main characters

you can still love a narrative device like izzy, but he was never going to be more than that. sorry.

i should stop trying to explain this anyway because i’m talking to a comparatively small part of the fandom. they’re just loud. and at the end of the day, our love for the show should be louder

#ofmd s2 spoilers #scarrlet rambles #i feel like my posts about this keep getting harsher but it’s partly me trying to figure out some thoughts #about how we got to the point where a post like this is even necessary #and i find it tiresome to argue with people who don’t understand how stories work #and think the rest of us are being heartless and gloating bc our faves survived

[milquetoad]

of the many injustices put forth toward the show by fans i think the most overall damaging and telling of a complete lack of critical viewership is the idea that sam riegel builds his characters with nothing more than the bit in mind. like you are only telling on yourself if you think characters like scanlan shorthalt and veth brennato are one-dimensional and depthless

#if im being exTREMEly generous i can maybe understand this view of scanlan if you started c1 and then gave up 30 episodes later #he played the long game with him more than any other and a lot of his growth could be looked at as shallow if you DIDNT watch til the payoff #but any time this opinion is used as a blanket over all of his characters including tary and even FCG.. like be serious #i mean at this point im definitely biased bc he is my favorite player at the table. However. that wasnt always the case #and even when i was myself writing some character choices off i NEVER applied that to the characters themselves. how can you?? #seen sooo many ppl criticize him for making veth an alcoholic or scanlan irreverent & hedonistic as tho it’s only possible #to play these traits as shallow jokes or at best played out satire…. and then the same person will turn around #and praise how percy was built to be pompous & superior and jester immature & self-centered and caleb steeped in self-effacing hubris #why are these characters and their players given a near universal acceptance of nuance and acknowledgement of growth & healing #but SAMS CHARACTERS ARE NOT!!!! #this turned into such a rant but it bothers me SO much. everyone at the cr table is so goddamned talented #and takes the game as seriously as it deserves #so many more points i could argue but this is already so goddamn long no one is reading this far. i love sam and all of his characters <333 #critical role #sam riegel #scanlan shorthalt #veth brennato #my posts

[tytoalbatross]

god damn i do not post often but can i talk about intentionality for a second?? one second please

i'm gonna be talking about bg3 but this really applies to any fandom space. people will, surface-level, agree that a Black character is not getting enough content compared to their white counterparts because it's. obvious . take wyll, who is several hours behind on voiced lines compared to other origins despite being one of the original five (before they added karlach and whiteified her too but that's another post). it's hard to deny cold hard facts

but then instead of engaging in content that uplifts Black characters and creators, they'll go right back to pumping out more and more content of just their white faves. on its own, it's not actively harmful, but here's what the implication is, whether they acknowledge it or not: yes wyll has less in-game content, yes his writing didn't get the attention it deserved, therefore i don't like him as much. it only perpetuates wyll's lack of content by contributing to his sidelining in fandom spaces

what i would love for fans who claim to be allies to do is to step out of the comfort zone of their initial favorites (which can, in fact, be biased!) and start pursuing content centering Black characters with intentionality. like all things, anti-racism (actively pushing back against racism rather than simply "Not Being Racist") takes practice and effort. you can't really agree with us that wyll needs more content, then in the same breath say that it's because of that that he's not interesting to you . the point was right in front of you doing a jig and you still missed it

#bg3 #wyll #wyll ravengard #this isnt even including people who didnt notice that wyll had less content in the first place #which is. a very damning admission. so you werent paying Any attention to him...? at all....? its obvious even on a first playthrough tf #i had to physically stop myself from saying specific white boy names in the main post bc i knew it would just be fanning the flames #and thats not productive. as much as i hate to admit it. #anyway we all know why halsin is so much more popular than wyll. the white man with as much personality as a cardboard cutout #ITS HARD TO APPRECIATE HIM WHEN HES 1) boring and 2) part of the reason wyll got less content bc adding him meant less time for the others #if people start things in the replies im deleting this post if im being honest. this needed to be said but #i am not in the habit of arguing with strangers on the internet and i am not starting now #tyto speaks #man i didnt even mention how white side characters with maybe 5 min total of screentime get so much fan content . #while wyll a whole ORIGIN character gets left out of party art and either infantilized or villianized beyond the point of recognition

[fatedroses]

Lucius and Titus yae Galvus

aka the 8'2" standard bearer puppy of a man and the 6'0" stoic machinist younger brother, or the sons of emet who are his spitting images in two different ways.

#ffxiv #concept #sketch #digital art #lucius yae galvus #titus yae galvus #everything in garlemald is dual purpose #that standard staff has a surprising number of blades and points on it #lucius is basically just a happy sephiroth with no magic #a beast on the field #sarcastic and chill dweeb off of it #and titus is the younger brother left in his shadow until lucius passed and he had to step into the space he left afterwards #the type of brothers who argue nonstop but Lucius' death is the inciting incident behind everything suddenly going downhill in garlemald #with lucius just being an unnaturally upbeat individual who's lack of presence was immediately felt by everyone who knew him #titus on the other hand I imagine being one of the leading figures that follows after emet's innovation of magitek #not really being as good of a close quarters fighter as his brother but a talented r&d specialist #also the lucius line and just being giants #with the thought they got shorter each generation #which isnt saying much because zenos is still around 7'4"

[b0ylik3r]

I dont wanna get myself involved in any more ZADR discourse, but I also don't want misinfo to spread around and people to get discouraged or anything like I had been for a while. So I'm going to say this: Zim in Invader Zim is most likely a child.

There are a plethora of reasons I think this, but if you don't care then scroll. I'm going to provide my reasoning under the cut.

My first reason is that from a writing standpoint, there is absolutely nothing appealing about the dynamic between Dib and Zim if Zim is an adult. What would or do you find enjoyment out of their dynamic if they are not meant to be foils of one another like the show HEAVILY implies them to be NUMEROUS TIMES? If Zim is a child, their dynamic becomes "2 children want parental approval and go against each other for it, when in reality the approval and love they seek is unattainable because the parental figures will never give them it. They would be better off being friends or allies, but instead keep fighting to be loved because they're dumb kids and don't realize that it's fruitless and dumb". If Zim is an adult, their dynamic becomes "Immature man cannot beat child". What is to be enjoyed or explored there?

My second reason is that Zim acts like a child in a multitude of different ways. His interactions with The Tallest, his general immaturity, and even how he surrounds himself. He goes to school. He has made himself robot parents to support that idea. He needs different disguises to act like an adult. Again, from a writing standpoint, if he was an adult infiltrating a school building and pretending to be a kid, that's just fucking weird. I don't think Jhonen is that type of person. I don't think the writers are that type of people.

Also on this subject is the episode Tak: The Hideous New Girl. At the point of the episode, Zim was trying to impress and "crush on" and be the boyfriend of this middle school girl. It doesn't matter if Tak was actually irken. It doesn't matter if she is the same age as him actually. It doesn't change that Zim was trying to get into a human relationship with what he thought was a middle school girl. If he is an adult, that's pretty fucking weird. Again, I don't think Jhonen is that type of person and I don't think the writers are that type of people.

The "flying ships before you were born" only proves that on Irk, he was an adult or at least the age that would permit him to fly ships. Calendars are manmade, why would irkens use the same years? Zim's age could also easily translate into human years into the late tween years. We also have to think logically about things.

Also, I sometimes feel like people are forgetting that Irk is a dystopian society. They are a hyper-militarized alien race that codes people's brains on the daily and does not wait for the children to grow up even a little before they start military training (or, at least training for military training). What morals prevent them from using child labor or child soldiers? We also have to remember that in accordance to The Trial, Zim was a smeet or older allowed into violent chemicals and resources that can kill, like it did Tallest Miyuki and Tallest Spork. That, in a way, proves that Irkens are not above dangerous child labor.

One other argument I have is that in Enter The Florpus, during the species change clip, Zim, Dib and Gaz switch species. The thing is, Dib and Gaz look the same as Zim in this clip. They don't become little smeets, they don't become tiny kids. They become Zim's age. Zim also does not become an old man in this clip. He stays the same as Dib and Gaz. Being that these are their canon human/irken translations, I don't see how someone could still defend this.

You could take all of this and say "Okay, but ZADR is still proship because they are abusive to each other so why are you so pressed". But like I said in a previous post, there is a major difference between "haha 2 people fight each other n get hurt haha" and "this adult man is grooming this child sexually". That's not funny. That isn't cartoony. That is a fully serious topic taken seriously in every single media that it is represented in. Cartoony unserious fighting has been a staple for years in animation and media. Grooming is not cartoony. That is why so many people have a problem with it. Some people don't enjoy shipping things that are seriously fucked up in the real world like that, or shipping proships.

This all started because of one singular tweet Jhonen made that you all believed. I bet if he tweeted "guys invader zim didnt actually happen and dib was hallucinating the whole time, lmao dream theory is canon", some of you would believe it.

I leave you off with this: "If it looks, sounds & acts like a kid, it's a kid, no matter if it's actually 1000 years old or not."

#zadr #zadr discourse #zim #iz zim #zim iz #invader zim #iz #sorry to clog up the zadr tag #i dont want people to get discouraged from shipping something they like because they dont feel like being a proshipper #that's why i made this #respectfully /gen sometimes it isnt about you #thank you for arguing though it gives me a chance to present my points in full #instead of making a shitty spongebob meme about it #that doesn't get the whole thing across like this could #chat should i turn this in to school for my argumentative unit for a grade #i love decorating my posts with colors #I LOVE COLORS #AND I LOVE ZIM #AND I LOVE HIS COLODS #hes so.me #anyway im done now #zim is a kid #bye bye

[lagosbratzdoll]

You guys are always yapping about how Criston Cole is Rhaenyra’s victim. Even though the show contradicts you on this point many times. Even though the producers contradict you on this point repeatedly. 

However, no one wants to reckon with the fact that those men took a tale about a misogynistic paedophile and the child he groomed and isolated and then turned his child victim into the initiator/aggressor. 

It’s par for the course with the adaptors. We watched it happen with Dany and Jorah, Doreah and Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Loras Tyrell and the homophobic way they adapted his story. The racist, heavily sexualised way they adapted the sand snakes and Ellaria Sand. I had hoped the fandom would know better by now but alas!

#before someone inevitably comes here to “but daemon” me #I will say that #daemon targaryen #did not get an adaptation that effectively whitewashed his character to the point that even book-only discussions of his character #are derailed by his antis. #if anything daemon was made extra evil #criston cole was whitewashed #to the point that people who have allegedly read the books are arguing that he was always #rhaenyra's victim. #it's absolutely maddening. #people justifying the homophobic rant he gives after viserys dies #people saying his usurpation of rhaenyra is justified #also being “but daemon-ed” is so fucking annoying #I don't even like that nigga but the way your lot talk about him has me wondering if any of you cracked open fire and blood #or rise of the dragon #or even the world of ice and fire #like damn #you niggas don't even slander Tywin this much and he's also a child murdering #woman murdering #war mongering #cruel #misogynist #like what gives? #house of the dragon #fire and blood #hotd #criston cole