#reasons why rosegarden is canon

[rwbyrg]

Reason Why Rosegarden is Canon: #009

"I don't want to be me anymore (after seeing a world without you in it)" vs. "I don't know who I am anymore (in a world without you in it)"

#others have already pointed out #but the brainworms are back so here i am #rwby #ruby rose #oscar pine #parallels #rosegarden #rwby rosegarden #reasons why rosegarden is canon

[littlemisssquiggles]

So miles did another cameo video about a week ago someone asked him what it would have been like if Oscar had gone to the ever after and Miles confirmed that if Oscar had been there with Ruby she wouldn't have gone through the conflict and trauma she was going through and volume nine if he had been there cuz Oscar would have been the one to notice it instantly unlike the others who didn't notice it till after she snapped at them

You can even see hints of it in the episode were they meet John again and they're at his house where Ruby sitting at the table and across from Ruby is an empty chair while Ruby sits there and look at Yang and Blake happily celebrating their new relationship Ruby sits there if so she's missing someone and that someone is Oscar I think

Hello anon-chan! Pardon the late answer to your inbox.

Do you mind linking me to this specific cameo you mentioned pretty please? Because I would honestly loved to listen to it.

Funnily enough, you’re the second person to bring up the theory that the empty seat across from Ruby at Jaune’s home in the Ever After during the scene before Jaune returns Crescent Rose to Ruby could’ve easily been filled by Oscar.

It makes perfect sense that Oscar would’ve been the one to notice Ruby’s depression if he were there since he has been shown to be weary of that in previous seasons such as the infamous dojo scene. Oscar noticing Ruby’s change in demenour is what initially prompted him to push her to admit her true feelings about everything that happened during the Fall of Beacon.

Not to mention that when Ruby was shown to be overwhelmed at the Cotta-Arc during the moment when Jaune exploded after JNR learned the truth about Oz and Salem, Oscar was the one to take notice of this and even did his best to help quell the situation.

Oscar has always been observant of Ruby’s feelings especially when she is at her lowest. It’s one of the reasons why I love their dynamic so much. Ruby has always been protective of Oscar since the moment he joined the team, looking out for him in her own way just as much as he looked out for her.

Oscar should’ve been there for Ruby in the Ever After just as how Ruby should’ve been the one to lead the charge to save him from Monstra instead of Jaune back in V8.

I absolutely hated the fact that Ruby was omitted from Oscar’s side of the story back then and this is one of the reasons why I didn’t enjoy that season.

The CRWBY showrunners spent the last few seasons continuously building up this shared sense of caring and protectiveness as the basis of the Rosegarden friendship and yet…there was no payoff?

They showed prior moments of Ruby protecting Oscar yet…she was completely absent during his most dire time of need---being a prisoner of Salem and brutally tortured by her and Hazel for hours. Ruby was not allowed to protect Oscar from that.

They showed prior moments of Oscar being a voice of wisdom to encourage Ruby to open up and be honest with herself and those around her yet…he was absent during her darkest emotional moment yet---her literal breaking point where she committed the Ever After equivalent of suicide.

You see the pattern?

Neither Ruby nor Oscar were present during each other’s worse moments.

They weren’t allowed to because the writers knew, canonically, these two would be each other’s true savior---their beacon in the darkness to get more metaphorical.

Because they needed the story to go a different way to get the ending that we actually got in V8 and V9, that’s how it had to go.

If Oscar has gone to the Ever After then Ruby would’ve never had her whole arc which…needed to happen. Although, some might argue that the whole point of Ruby’s journey in the Ever After was ultimately made pointless by her going from “no longer wanting to be Ruby Rose anymore” to “being Ruby Rose just as I am is enough. I’m Ruby-nough! I don’t need to change at all. I’m perfect just the way I am even with the flaws that I still possess that led me down this path in the first place”.

Sarcasm aside, I don’t dislike the fact that Ruby chose to be herself in the end. Being yourself and having yourself be enough is a good message. I just wished the showrunners had allowed this concept to cook more. While I’m aware they were pressed for time given the fact that no V10 was greenlit, nevertheless, I would’ve rather a twist where only Weiss, Blake, Yang and Jaune were able to return home while Ruby remained in the Ever After to complete her transformation.

We spent nearly an entire season building up to Ruby’s breakdown. It took 8 out of 10 episodes to have Ruby fall apart only to have her have her big revelation in the last episode. That makes the whole thing seem almost flat so I don't blame some fans for being disappointed with the conclusion to Ruby's Ever After story being concluded that way.

I dunno about you anon-chan but this just makes me disappointed that Oscar wasn’t present for the Ever After Arc because all cues prior to V9 hinted that he could’ve easily been added to this season and worked.

Oscar was the one who first introduced the audience to the fairytale of the Girl Who Fell Through the World.

Not to mention the whole theme of the Ever After being about embracing change---Oscar SHOULD’VE gone to the Ever After. Part of Oscar’s journey is about him coming to terms with the Merge with him either losing himself completely or becoming a new person entirely.

Seeing Oscar going through his own arc while trying to help Ruby with hers could've been great to see. But alas, that's not what we got.

I will give the showrunners this though---if Oscar had gone to the Ever After then we probably may not have gotten the clue that Ruby cares deeply for him.

It is very evident after V9 that Oscar's life is precious to Ruby. Shipping and romantic implications asides, you can't deny the fact that Oscar's wellbeing is important to Ruby.

Much like characters such as Penny and Pyrrha, Oscar is someone who Ruby doesn't want to lose.

Better yet, he is someone precious to Ruby that she doesn't wish to lose as a result of her failure.

Take a look at the deaths of Pyrhha and Penny. What do those deaths have in common?

Ruby failing to stop it from happening in the first place.

Ruby was present for Penny's first death but arrived too late to stop it from happening.

Ruby was present for Pyrhha's death but arrived too late to stop it from happening.

Ruby was present again for Penny's final death but got tossed into the Ever After before she could do anything to help stop it from happening.

Once again, Penny died and Ruby failed to stop it from happening. This is why the words of her illusion cut Ruby deeply during the Mad Tea Party fight.

"...Just like you were too late to save me at the Vytal Festival. I died in Atlas too, didn't I? Could you imagine what that's like? To be completely and utterly failed time and again by someone who meant the world to you..."

Similar to Penny, Ruby is someone who Oscar has been shown to care deeply for and Ruby, in turn, cares a lot for him. The evidence of that has been shown sprinkled throughout the seasons. There is no denying that these two smaller, more honest souls care very much for each other.

While there has yet to be any payoff to the development in their relationship as yet, one thing's for certain is that Oscar is a person of importance to Ruby.

He is someone she doesn't want to lose. He is someone she doesn't want to fail.

He is someone she can't stand to watch die because of her own inability to protect him.

Not again after she's failed others like him in the past.

Overall, I guess the point I'm trying to make here is, while it would've been great to see Oscar in the Ever After with Ruby (since he definitely would've prevented her breakdown), at the same time, the showrunners did still found a way to use his presence as part of the narrative to signify something about his connection to Ruby.

Oscar needed to be absent in order to Ruby to have her arc yet ironically, he was the reason for Ruby's breakdown in the first place. While Little's death was the final straw that drove Ruby over the edge, before that moment, it was actually the imagery of Oscar's death caused by HER HANDS that drove Ruby to her final breaking point.

While it would've been nice to see Oscar there with Ruby, in a way, he was still there with her---being used by Neo to indicate to the audience that Oscar is a person of dear importance to Ruby.

Moving forward, I expect the events of V9 to have some kind of impact on Ruby's overall relationship with Oscar. I want to believe the events of the Ever After would make Ruby more overprotective of Oscar; possibly hinting at much deeper feelings. That's how I see it.

~LMS (2023)

#squiggles answers: rwby #rwby volume 9 spoilers #ruby rose #oscar pine #oscar and ruby #rwby rosegarden #rwby theories

[etincelleart]

Little reminder about RWBY and theories, just because :]

Theories are for FUN most importantly, they can become canon or almost be canon but reminder that theories are just theories

2. If you don't like a theory, WOAH, it's magical, you can just ignore it ! That's simple. Just an example, you know how much I love Nuts and Dolts, well I really dislike Rosegarden. And I just hide content related to it, and ignore it when I see some on my TL, that's it. \o/

3. Why bother interacting with someone about theories when you're only here to try to impose your point of view, or make them feel bad for their arguments and wishes, or just try to establish this idea of "I'm right you're wrong". No one will want to talk to you like that. We can disagree but when someone has valid reasons and arguments about a subject, you can't just come and be like "uh that's stupid", idk have some arguments too ?

Anyway, and I've seen a few people attacking some of the people who like to talk about Penny's revival, I mean, can't we just express our pain here and be delusional ? xD Let us in peace and ignore our ideas and theories if that's too annoying for you or if you disagree. It's okay everything will be fine, you don't have to let the entiere world know about how much you hate people for hoping her to be back-

#rwby #penny #penny polendina #penny revival #theories #rwby theories #don't use the anonymous option in the ask section for this kind of “”“discussion”“”

[abysskeeper]

Thing is a two year time skips means once again Oscar gets development off screen that we don’t get to see. The reason why others see him as not important is that exact thing, we don’t get to see him, not as much as everyone else.

“He’s not suppose to be the focus” is what I’ve seen fans say. Yeah okay but he still deserves at least some? And having a two year time skip just feel like a lazy way to develop Oscar without showing that development.

Sometimes I feel like that’s the reason why Oscar has little to no merch and why everyone else does. It’s cuz the writes don’t wanna be bothered with giving Oscar some screen time that’s not then overshadowed with everyone else and don’t see him important.

For me a two year time skip would only further that.

Hi Nonny! Let me start by saying...trust me, I totally get it. I'm the gal who condemned herself to (albeit very slowly) writing fanfic for the rest of the show's run because I heard "Her name...is Jinn" and went "Hm, let's examine how we got here" and never looked back. I've written my fair share of "missing canon" scenes because hey, if the writers won't do it for my boy, and fans want to ignore him, then it's free real estate.

I'll shove the rest under a read more because I got a little long winded.

I also want to clarify that just because I may or may not want to see that dynamic of years having passed (I do), I absolutely do not expect it to happen. Me wanting years before they return is basically my writer brain going "Imagine the angst!" and taking off with an idea. Especially the emotional Rosegarden potential on Oscar's end.

Logistically though, years doesn't make sense and I know it. We know Salem is launching her endgame and holding her off for that long seems improbable. It isn't impossible but...it is unlikely.

And it really doesn't make sense for the meta either. All of volume 9 was about Ruby coming to terms with the fact she is enough and she did her best, and a lot of the preceding questioning that led to her doubting herself was regarding the message sent to the rest of the world in volume 8. That end shot with RWBY+J finally reaching Vacuo and seeing all of the kingdoms there defending it is meant to show a direct result of that message and be a real world affirmation that Ruby is enough. She did enough, the message got out, the world responded to her. Having it be years since their fall into the Ever After negates that point, because suddenly the other kingdoms are there defending Vacuo because they have to with the war against Salem inevitably ramping up during that time. I don't think the writers are going for that.

That said however, I do hope (and believe) it will be a few months. Maybe upwards of 6 if they're feeling ballsy. Anything less than a month, to me, would sort of have the inverse effect of what you're rightly pointing out here. Volumes 7 and 8 were just as much a show at Ruby's character regression as they were for Ren, Nora, and Oscar's character progressions. Ren and Nora didn't need the Ever After because they came to those realizations about themselves on their own terms through volume 7, and then definitely into volume 8. They weren't complete developments of course, they were steps of progress, but I don't expect Ruby or Jaune to be at their end stages either.

And, I don't know, maybe I misread it, but Oscar had major plot and character movement in volume 8, and it just screamed at me that it was all about his immense potential and capability to step in as a leader himself. Not as Oz (Salem's denial of him being Oz is direct proof of that) but as Oscar himself (choosing to play the game and turn some of Salem's people; choosing to trust Hazel; and most importantly, not giving up on those plans as Oz advised him to do). I think bringing RWBY+J (especially team leaders Ruby and Jaune, the two he has looked up to and relied on the most) back too soon to Vacuo would rob him of that opportunity to be in a role he is clearly meant to take and that it would do a disservice to the developments he did make in volume 8.

And that would be...the first time actually...where I don't think I would mind not seeing all of that development happen on screen for Oscar? In part because we already saw the starting stages of it in volume 8, and in part because there is something to be said about exploring character development after it's happened already. If done well (and I do continue to have faith in CRWBY, a rare sentiment I know), it can be a lot of fun. I don't need to see the moment where Oscar decides to step up and help people when all evidence and his prior actions point to him making that decision without hesitation. What I do want to see is what comes after it, how he handles taking on that mantle and how he handles all of the struggles that come with it (not to mention mourning losing 5 of his friends in one go...based on a plan he helped create); and you need time for all that to set in. Maybe years is too long...but months is not.

And this is all without considering the Merge because I do not believe the Merge will happen (even though I wrote fic for that too), and even if it does...it won't happen the way FNDM anticipates (the way FNDM anticipates goes directly against what we saw Jinn portray). Overall though, I don't really bother myself with what fans say...mostly because I like to retain my sanity. I know we've had issues with it in the past (the fact we didn't get a single scene in v6 after he went "missing" still haunts me), but volumes 7-8 really seemed to be setting up and showing that the writers view Oscar as a main character. His brief "appearance" in volume 9, if you will, I think only further solidified that point. So I'm not overly concerned with CRWBY not giving him screen time, I'm just hoping that screen time is an accurate representation and continuation of what we saw in volume 8.

Tl;dr I don't disagree with you, Nonny, and I don't actually think we're getting a time skip of years (but it does make writer brain go brrrr). That said, having no time pass at all I think would be just as big of a disservice to team Vacuo, and especially to Oscar. There's a middle there that I'm putting faith in CRWBY threading the needle of.

And, oh yeah. Give us more Oscar merch. I do just...wholeheartedly agree there.

#don't mind me #rwby #rwby9 #oscar pine #if you are who I think you are nonny then yeah...I had the same knee jerk reaction as you posted yesterday #and then I thought on it more and went...oh yeah I guess I should have some faith #and just have some fun playing in the meanwhile #and if you're not then just disregard those tags but know you are not the only person to have this concern

[hamliet]

Hi! Can I ask your opinion on Cinder X Jaune as a ship?

As in, do I like it, or do I think it has any canon basis?

My answers are basically fun crackship and then not at all, respectively.

For my personal tastes, the only RWBY ships that fill me with feels are Rosegarden and Emercury. I do like Bumbleby, Arkos, Renora, White Knight as they've been written. Cinder/Jaune is like Nuts n Dolts to me--I see why people like it and mad kudos to them. It's just not for me.

The ship, as best I can tell, is based on the fact that Cinder and Jaune absolutely do have a role to play in each other's arcs, and Jaune is absolutely going to be pivotal to Cinder's redemption. The fandom does often sleep on this. I can see why people would have a lot of fun exploring it. Enjoy!

Insofar as canon goes, I think that it has no basis because to interpret their roles in each other's arcs as romantic means misinterpreting the context of the story and the coding of their roles within said story.

I will explain more under the cut because I know I have followers who like the ship and please do enjoy it.

By coding, I do mean age coding. But not in the way antis mean it, not at all. Age gap wise, Jaune and Cinder don't have anything extreme--in fact, it's pretty negligible. That said, to take their ages literally only works in the context of fandom arguments, and so ship to your heart's content!

Within the story, though, Cinder is coded as an adult. Jaune is coded as a child. Coding in stories is not to be taken to extremes like, say, antis or anti-antis take it. There is such a thing as child-adult coding, but it's not the creepy thing people make it out to be. For example, look to Bungo Stray Dogs coding Dazai as a mentor/adult above Akutagawa even though there are only two years between them. There's nothing weird about shipping it, but the story is using this coding for a reason--to tell you about the particular dynamic and what to expect. The story will obviously never go there. Yes, it's a coming of age story like RWBY, but the point is that they aren't coded as peers.

In RWBY, Emerald and Mercury are presented as peers of RWBYJNPR in the Vytal Festival, and Cinder is presented as being above them, as a mentor, as a parental figure, at each and every turn. The reason this matters is not to say that Jaune and Cinder can't be shipped without creepiness (it's not creepy at all), but it matters because coding can tell you a lot about the intentions of the writers.

There's also alchemical coding, in which opposites should unite. Opposites, like say Bumbleby and Rosegarden and Renora, are:

Gold, red, heart, sun, hot and dry, fire, air

Silver, white, mind, moon, cool and moist, water, earth

So, if you left Jaune as he was at the start of the story as white, moon, silver, etc., he would actually work with Cinder, but at this point he's clearly not those anymore. He worked with Pyrrha precisely because of this. However, regardless of whether or not Jaune ends up with anyone, he's becoming red, gold, fire, and sun. His name also foreshadows this (jaune=yellow). He got blasted with fire this volume. He took on a white trait this volume (the streak of hair) but that's a symbol of union after a chemical wedding, which was not with Cinder.

Besides, Cinder is also gold and red and fire. I don't think this is remotely debatable. Her name is literally a reference to fire. She's introduced to us shooting flames and she relies on fire throughout the series.

Plus, in the very first episode of RWBY, Cinder's golden eye is highlighted with a specific frame that contrasts her gold eyes with Ruby's silver (like, the very next scene has Oz mentioning Ruby's silver eyes). Cinder is gold.

So what is Jaune and Cinder's actual connection? Well, it has to do with other red characters: Pyrrha, Penny, and Ruby.

Pyrrha's final act of love was saving Jaune and telling Cinder that destiny exists. That even if things are cut short, even if your very life with all you wanted is taken from you, you can still impact the world in a powerful way. This is precisely the connection between Jaune and Cinder: he is going to pass on Pyrrha's message to Cinder. Destiny is real, and she can choose it (because choice is the final relic/theme to be explored).

Lastly, Ruby is actually Cinder's prince, and has always been since the ball. Ruby is the one who will probably save Cinder from her Grimm arm, showing her that being a human being is enough to not deserve to be consumed by chaos. Being a human is enough.

So then, what is Jaune? He is the Maiden of Cinder's story. He will embody the message of Pyrrha and Penny, two maidens, to help Cinder reach individuation, the archetype of the self that Ruby also embodies. Cinder's ultimate choice will be to be a Maiden, but not in the way that she's been so far--in a heroic way. Cinder's arc has always intertwined the supernatural/goddess imagery with that of a lonely child, and so in the end she will be both human and heroine--because through embracing humanity, people can transcend weakness and impact the world.

If there is romance for Jaune, it will be with Weiss. It should be, considering they've set up the crush, explicitly paralleled White Knight with Arkos, Bumbleby, and Rosegarden, and you shouldn't set up crushes without following them up. It's a story, not real life; if it's mentioned, it should matter. (Okay Black Sun but... I would hope the writers have like, learned from that. Plus we do have a Black Sun parallel, and it's Weiss and Neptune.)

Lastly, I don't think Jaune is dying at all, and I don't think Cinder's chances of surviving are much higher than say, Eren Jaeger's in SnK. This isn't me saying it's what I want to see or that I think she shouldn't live; it's just looking at the story thus far, seeing how it's treated say, the Curious Cat, and examining patterns.

See, in alchemy there is something called the Deaths that mark the end of a color phase and the transition to the next. I'm going to use Harry Potter as an example not to be gauche but because it's extremely obvious:

Black Death/Nigredo: Sirius Black

White Death/Albedo: Albus (means white in Latin) Dumbledore

Red Death/Rubedo: Harry Potter himself in the presence of Rubeus Hagrid

Most stories don't use the Yellow phase (it's subsumed into Red) but RWBY does. We have:

Black Death: Pyrrha, death at Beacon at night surrounded by black Grimm

White Death: Weiss Schnee at Haven, although Jaune revives her

Yellow Death: Penny Polendina at Atlas, when Jaune kills her via a weapon (Crocea Mors) that literally means "yellow death," in case you weren't sure.

So, yeah. RWBY is using deaths to mark passage. I do think Cinder will be "saved" from her Grimm arm at Vacuo's climax by Ruby and be given Jaune's message, but the odds of her not dying back at Beacon (even if she does die, it will be to save the world) are not great. She could revive as well, but... we've already used revival and stories do like to keep that special. Plus, RWBY's message on death is clearly not that death is a punishment. It's a tragedy to be mourned, but it doesn't have to be the end of any story.

#ask hamliet #rwby #ships #rwby ships

[joshy-tomato]

Suddenly I recalled how one of the earliest theories about Oscar was he being a pre-transition spring maiden or the spring maiden possing as a boy (crazy times, i know) and my sleep deprived brain was like "you know what, that should be an au".

Like, imagine the original spring, the one that canon Raven killed, was able to tough up and Raven decided that she may be able to survive. However she was killed by grimm a few months after the Fall of Beacon. Not wanting to put the tribe in more danger than they already where just by taking her, she dicides to think on some random dude of the tribe or on the grimm attacking her, believing this way Salem wouldnt go after the tribe. So the power ended choosing a random host, that ended being Oscar, who had been recently questioning her gender and suddenly got the confirmation that she was, indeed, a girl.

Maybe she ended in the same white plane with Spring, has Penny and Winter did in Volume 8, and Spring told her to go into hiding and while doing that she found Ruby's group in Mistral, after Qrow told Leonardo that Raven could have the Spring Maiden.

Extra things:

The name I usually use for Fem/Trans girl!Oscar is Ambrosia "Amy" Pine.

Raven and Cinder plot could go that, after Spring death and Salem forces coming to the tribe, Raven and Vernal got scared and decided to pretend that Vernal was the Spring Maiden, maybe using Vernal semblance to trick Cinder. Their plan was that the night of the attack the tribe would evacuate and they would use the scandal of the fight to flee. That plan did not go well.

Who is Oz host now? Im not sure. Could be Amy still, that could be tragically hilarious. Im also thinking on Jaune, that is honestly an idea that I think is so tragic that I love it. Like, he lost his partner and love interest because of Maiden businesses, the man he partially blames for it is now part of him and that little girl that his becoming his new combat partner and surrogate little sister is a maiden too, and he and Oz blame themselves for ruining her life, believing that Amy deserved the life of a normal girl.

Amy temporarily hides her status as maiden by posing as a boy, but after Haven and with Leonardo and Cinder dealed with she ditches that. Weiss, Nora and Ruby helped with the overhaul, combat skirt on the way.

Thinking a way (excuse) for the group to still have to scort the lamp to Atlas (I to get Jinn to spill the tea) im thinking, the reason why they couldn't keep the Lamp in the vault is because Amy used the vault to temporarily seal Cinder inside, and for that they had to take the Lamp out. Amy and Yang having to go down the vault to save Raven (Vernal was already death by that point). Amy had to sit and hear the family drama with Vernal corpse on her side. Beautiful memory.

This is me, so we would be having saphic!Rosegarden, she would have found out about the drama eventually.

Amy fancies earth over other elements and is not quite fond of flying yet.

I'm not sure about her weapon, on one hand could be a sword or knives since Maidens seems to rotate towards them but at the same time and really fond of how canon!Oscar used Long Memory as a bat and blame star rail for this but Amy hitting people with a magical bat would be badass and hilarious.

#rwby #rwby au #transgirl!oscar #oscar pine #spring maiden au #rosegarden #is minimal but is still there #the xiao long-rose sisters being saphic over their badass not yet girlfriends #i want to talk about saphic rosegarden ask me about saphic rosegarden

[min3nc]

Obligatory RWBY, Ruby, Weiss, for the ship ask meme, plus Lapis for spice

So this is long, and for my own sake, Ruby and Weiss share the fav pairing and poly ship... Also because they are the same pairings lmao. Look. I can't excuse myself. I'm very bland with my ships when it comes to RWBY. Lapis, on the other hand--

Ruby:

NOTP: Rosegarden... I can't like it :(

BROTP: Nuts and Dolts. I used to like it a lot in the early days, don't know why I stopped liking it in a romantic way.

OTP: Whiterose! Pretty obvious, huh? I love them. Mean girl turned into an slightly less mean girl through the power of a cute girl who wasn't fazed by her being an idiot and crashed through her walls with the strength of a truck to make her realize she had to become a better person.

Second choice: Ladybug. I think there's so much potential for them. Looks like she could kill you but is actually a cinammon roll, and looks like a cinammon roll and is one, but could also kill you.

Fluffy Pairing: I think Pyrrhuby goes here, no? It also could go on the Angst part. I could have saved you. I should have saved you. I wasn't able to save you. I was so young, and unexperienced and now the weight of your death accompanies me forever in my journey.

Angsty Pairing: Fallen Petalls. I love you but I hate you because you did this to me. But then the factor that Ruby HAD to do that to Cinder, because they are on different sides and I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy and we can't be together.

Fav Poly Ship: Pretty obvious... Pollination my beloved. I love it. The prospect of loving one another so much that they end up pulling a team STRQ and become their own family.

Weirdest Pairing: Okay. I don't know if it's weird... But I have at least two wips that I would love to finish about Fiery Pollination (RWBY + Cinder). Like. C'mere Cindy, join the polycule. We WILL fix you, there is no escape, asshole!

Weiss:

NOTP: Uh... I don't know? I guess Whiteknight in a romantic sense. Mostly because of FNDM influence.

BROTP: Whiteknight. Look. It works. Specially after they went to the movies with Oscar and all those memes about them passing Oscar as their kid to get a discount. It just works!

Second Choice: If it's not Whiterose, I love Freezerburn. In canon it's sooooo obvious that Weiss appreciates Yang a lot, and she's even learning her dumb and stupid jokes and using them. I love that Yang seems to be the only one to appreciate them lmao.

Fluffy Pairing: For some reason even tho I don't like ND, I think that Frozensteel is pretty cute. Woe! Cute Neurodivergent girls be upon ye, Schnee!

Angsty Pairing: Schneekos... She's dead! And then you almost died at the hands of the same person that killed her in an eerily similar fashion. Maybe if you had been there for her, maybe if you had joined Ruby at climbing Beacon's tower... What if's, what if's.

Weirdest Pairing: Cinder/Weiss. I'm not sure what it's ship name is, but I read ONE fic where Cinder flirted with Weiss and it hit a switch in my mind lmao. They are so intense, I can see them getting on each other's nerves so much lol.

Lapis:

NOTP: Ugh Steven/Lapis. People used to ship Steven with Lapis on the early days. I remember it happening because Lapis looked more like a kid at the beginning, but then it persisted. I hated it so much.

BROTP: Lapis and Amethyst. Depressed and Anxious girls team up!

OTP and Fluffy Pairing: LAPIDOT ALL THE WAY BABEYYYYY. I WAS THERE WHEN WE BEGAN SHIPPING THEM AS A JOKE BEFORE 'THE RETURN' AND 'JAIL BREAK' HAPPENED. I died when they began living together in the barn. I really wished they could have fused :(

Second Choice: Pearlapis. I began shipping it because of their aesthetics. Plus, Lapis is supposed to be a high-ranking gem, and thus could have gotten a Pearl based off her rank. So... AU where that Pearl is our Pearl? Wihihi.

Angsty Pairing: Jaspis. The toxic relationship... Like yes we feel so good together but we're so shit to each other. :(

Poly Ship: Jaspidot. I like it! I read some fics when I was younger where Jasper got Stevenized (pfft) and she decided to get better. She mends her relationship with Lapidot aaaand eventually gets together with them. They were cuuute.

Weirdest Pairing: Ah. 4-5 people Polycule... Lapidot + Garnet. Don't ask me why!

#ah. i'm rambling #sorry 'bout that ma'am #*wheezes* long ass post

[vagabondangel]

16 for RWBY fandom?

16. you can’t understand why so many people like this thing (characterization, trope, headcanon, etc)

My first thought was Rosegarden, lol. That's my NOTP for RWBY, I just genuinely dislike the ship and I don't understand why people like it so much and want it to be canon. It's not my cup of tea at all, and not even because of the Ozpin thing necessarily, but because I simply dislike those two characters paired together. I'm very much a Nuts and Dolts OTP monoshipper, although I can tolerate the idea of Ruby with other people, just not Oscar for some reason.

While we're on the topic of Oscar, I don't understand people who want to see Oscar and Ozma continue to fuse successfully. I don't want Oscar to become indistinguishable from Ozma; I want that old man out of my son's head, thank you very much.

Also, I'm not a fan of how the RWBY writers "develop" their canon romances. Arkos, Renora, and Bumbleby are all underdeveloped and poorly executed in their own ways, in my opinion.

[hyperfixation-hideout]

Me: *Searches ship tags for characters I don't actually ship romantically, hoping for cute/sweet/angsty/funny moments, headcanons, parallels, incorrect quotes, theories, etc. Just generally looking for relatively in-character interactions between characters whose dynamics I enjoy.*

Ship tag: Pages and pages of drawings of characters making out, posts about marriage, aging them up to get pregnant and have kids, ooc fics professing their love and then kissing, weirdly sexual headcanons, and other stuff that either makes me uncomfy or just doesn't float my boat.

Me: Ok, not really my cup of tea... Serves me right for searching a ship I don't even ship and hoping for not-inherently-shippy content, I suppose. Let's try something else!

Me: *Searches "[Character A] and [Character B]"*

Search results: Posts with every character tagged

Me: Yeah that's why I search the ship names. How about... *Searches "platonic [ship name]"* this should be more my speed

Platonic ship tag: 3 results

*sigh*

*reblogs shippy content that could be interpreted as platonic and just pretends it was intended that way*

#what's a demiromantic to do? if I like a ship (romantic or platonic) it's bc of the interactions - flirting is cute when in character though #but MY problem is that I'm hyperfixated on Oscar Pine and I dont ship him with anyone atm? #He has like. 3 viable ships. And two of them haven't even interacted. But I like the idea of him being cute with people! just not romantic #he's got snowpines; rosegarden; and data farm #well there's also brighteyes or bright eyes which is just. rosegarden and data farm and nuts n dolts combined in whatever combo #but those 3 would be such good friends!!!! and I want content!!!!! tbh even just searching oscar pine's tag its 60% rosegarden #idk when I ship things it's usually not like wanting anything to be canon or overt or imagine them kissing... I like platonic ships ok??? #they're underrated I will die on this robyn i mean hill #nothing wrong with over the top ooc fics by the way! just not my thing #The main reason I like character dynamics is bc of their personalities and potential interactions #so ooc stuff feels like generic romantic scenarios that just happen to have their names put on them so I don't really enjoy those personally #but fic writers and fan artists this isnt @y'all! just my own frustration XD #like platonic rosegarden? adorable! their friendship is so cute! but theres so little platonic content for them which is a shame #platonic data farm? they havent interacted but I can IMAGINE how they would and it's so wholesome #platonic snowpines? i just like the idea of rich city boy whitley meets poor country boy & loses his poised demeanor cause he's nice to him #Other Oscar dynamics that I like I'd feel weird searching the ship names for (if they exist? these are the only ones I know of lol) #like sibling oscar and blake? HECK yeah. nora being oscar's mom friend? HECK yeah #but not touching any ship tags bc I value my eyes and dont want to see that.... rule 34 is a nightmare #friendship is so underrateeeeeeed #also i love whiterose but platonic whiterose is somehow even cuter to me??? idk why???? maybe it's cause I love the aro weiss headcanon #i should learn more abt how queerplatonic relationships work and what they mean but queerplatonic whiterose is 😍 Good #time to shut up #quinpost

[womenofwonder]

Option on RWBY ships:

Btw, I don’t usually ship characters. Romance is usually the least interesting part of the story for me so expect a lot of meh.

Arkos: obviously I love this, it’s perfect

Blacksun: ehh, it’s cute. I started out feeling kinda meh, it was sweet but not really interesting, but now it’s growing on me. Ironically the same thing is happening with Bumblebee, although I still like Blake and Yang better platonically

Bunanas: so this is a ship between Velvet and Sun, and it’s honestly really cute to imagine even if it is completely random. I like it better then Blacksun…I think?

Candy Cane: this is just weird. I can’t imagine Nora being anything but a older sister to Oscar. The age gap makes it creepy too, not the four years is much of a gap, but when your teenagers it’s a big gap.

Chocolate Arc: this is hilarious to imagine but obviously yeah, Coco isn’t going to fall for someone like Jaune

Cinnabun: I barely know anything about Yatsuhashi but he and Velvet are cute, I guess? Still like her better with Sun

ClockRose: heck no!

Coconuts: again, can’t see Sun doing anything but annoying Coco. I really don’t like the whole ‘badass jerk of a girl falls for goof ball trope.’ It always ends up feeling sexist in several ways

Combat Boots: honestly outside of an AU I can’t see Yang ever forgiving Mercury much less falling in love with him. Also Mercury just doesn’t deserve her

Combat goggles: I feel like Yang and Neptune would have fun causally dating each other and slowly realizing they actually like (Blake/Sun/Jaune/whoever) and become each other’s wingmen. That fanfic better be lying around somewhere

Crimson Lotus: okay, if I didn’t love Renora and Rosegarden so much I’d probably ship this. It’s really cute

Crimson Sun: this feels like an excuse to write lemons of the two hottest characters

Crimson wings: look I understand most of the shipping heroes with villains because they’re both hot and the villain/hero dynamic is always fun. But Cardin…he’s not even hot. He’s not even interesting. And yet people ship him with Ruby? Why?

Daddie Issues: you know I see where this is coming from but they would just end up murdering each other.

Dairy Farm: obviously this is downright creepy in cannon, but in an au where Neo isn’t evil and both are closer in age, this would be adorable. I feel like Neo’s main problem is she’s incredibly lonely—other then Roman no one bothers to understand or talk to her. If Oscar reached out to her, and she began to protect him…it would be perfect. In way even better then Rosegarden because I think Neo would still be a bit of pycho even when good, and it would be fun to see her lose it when Salem hurts him.

Ilia/Adam: I just want to say I am forever grateful the show went out of its way to avoid this obnoxious, cliche ship from being canon

Dragon slayer: I see why people ship Jaune and Yang, I really do. They’re both the team mom/dad of their team, they’ve got the whole goofball/badass thing going (which is a trope I do like when the badass isn’t a jerk), they both have a good sense of humor, etc. But I just can’t see them as romantic. It feels really weird. I can’t even explain why. I understand shipping them but I really can’t ship them myself.

Emercury: I really love this ship, but I also don’t mind at all if the show decides to make them platonic. I enjoy their relationship in general and it works either way.

Oscar/Emerald: again, feel creepy. I love the idea of a sibling relationship and can’t see them possibly being romantic even without the age gape.

Cinder/Qrow: yeah again. Both are sexy and good for angsty lemons. I’m not into that stuff so I don’t ship them

Fall Stinger: I just don’t know why anyone would ship Tyrian with anyone. Unless it was Salem and even that is super creepy

Firerobber: I like villain relationships but Roman already has Neo and Cinder is a hot mess. Literally

Firewall: I don’t know why anyone would ship Watts with anyone. He’s even worst less ship-able then Tyrian

Footloose: I don’t actually ship it but just imagine Mercury and Melanie bonding over weaponized feet.

Freckles: Yeah this is just painful. The two most adorable characters (Penny and Oscar), who go through the worst things imaginable. It’s endless fluff, angst, and whump, and I love cute romance and tragic romances, so this is definitely something I ship.

Frostbite: seriously, this is so weird and toxic. Having Adam fall for Weiss or vice versa. Maybe it would work in an AU or something but it’s just too creepy

Funky Beats: it’s cute, I ship it.

Gelato: yeah I love healthy villainous relationships! Neo and Roman are freaking adorable, and I’m sad that we didn’t see more of them together.

Grandmasters: I obviously don’t ship Salem and Ozpin because that’s just creepy, but I do like their romance. I like tragic romances, and this probably the most tragic one in existence

Greek Lotus: I don’t see the chemistry and crashes two of my favorite ships so…

Green Knight: well, she kinda helped kill his last girlfriend so…unless it’s AU this isn’t going to work. Even if it is an AU. This feels like another ship made solely for lemons

Velvet/Cardin: yeah, a bigot changing his mind when he falls in love with a minority isn’t cute. Isn’t sweet. It isn’t romantic. I don’t even excuse lemons that use this trope. Even porn ought to be above that

Weiss/Cardin: WOULD EVERYONE STOP SHIPPING CARDIN WITH PEOPLE

Hummingbird: it’s hard to ship something when you only know one character, but I was interested in the theory that Qrow was actually Ruby’s father. But then in season 7 Qrow’s description of Summer made me rethink it, and it didn’t sound anything like how you’d describe a romantic relationship. So I don’t really like that theory anymore

Iceberg: this is just cliche and boring. I get them dating but it wouldn’t last that long

Flynt/Weiss: I really love this one, it’s my favorite ship with Weiss. I don’t want it to actually happened in cannon because that would be random, but I feel like it would be fun for both their characters. And they both share an interest in music. I’m imagining an AU where he gets her into jazz and she starts singing it at all her concerts to the horror of Jaques.

Iron Maiden: honestly what. Why. Gross

Iron witch: well I definitely see why people like it. I actually wouldn’t mind it being cannon, It’d be a good combination of funny/tragic and I’d like to see Glynda mentoring Winter

Jailbirds: this just feels forced and also Qrow is probably too old for her. I like their relationship and don’t want it to be romantic

Knight fall: lemon ship. Moving on

Knight Life: I feel like Jaune just gets shipped with everyone but this is cute I guess

Lancaster: it’s cute, but I can’t ship it because it feels cliche. I was worried that Jaune was going to be her love interest when they first met and was relieved to see him with Pyrrha instead. It just feels forced and boring to have him end up with Ruby

Pyrrha/Mercury: this really popular for some unfathomable reason. I like Mercury but Pyrrha deserves better

Marrowgold (May/Marrow): I just don’t see it

Nikong: Pyrrha and Sun would be cute together, but I don’t really love this ship. It’s kinda meh.

Nora’s Arc: no. Just no. It technically would work but their platonic relationship is way too good to lose

Old Silver: this is Maria/Pietro, and I think it’s adorable. They both strike me as really flirty for their ages and both are very good mentors. They can be the crazy grandparents of the team

Ozglyn: just don’t see it

Phoenix: yeah Raven was a horrible girlfriend/wife. I don’t ship her Taiyang

QuickSilver: Ruby deserves better than Mercury.

Rehab (Qrow/Glynda): the fact that this is called rehab explains why I don’t ship it

ReNora: yeah, this is probably my favorite ship. I don’t think I have to explain why.

Robotic Knight: I briefly shipped this but now disagree

Rosegarden: I really love Rosegarden, they’re just too adorable together, though the whole Ozpin does make it a little awkward

Rosewick: I can’t see this happening, even in an AU

Coco/Fox: I don’t know enough about Fox to really ship them, but the fact that Coco canonically slaps his butt during battle definitely makes me want to

Mercury/Neo: I could see this working. It would be pretty cute

Silent Knight: again, it would have to be an AU and even then I don’t see it working

Snowbird: so at first I really liked the idea of Qrow and Winter being ex’s, but now that I think about it he has to be at least twenty years older then her. Also, I have to say that while they have chemistry I think they would just end up killing each other

Speakeasy (Flynt/Coco): I got to say I like this ship and could see them having a lot of chemistry together

Strawbanna: I just can’t see Ruby and Sun together. It feels weird

Sunflakes: Can’t see it working

Sunflowyr (Ren/Yang): don’t see any chemistry. Again this just seems random

Tauradonna: this is obviously as toxic as you get.

The Hunt (Cardin/Blake): stop shipping Cardin with anyone!

Mercury/Cinder: Mercury is way too young, and even if he wasn’t this would be really weird. Also Cinder makes him look like a stable, peaceful person, so also no.

Toxic Petals: I swear I’m done with this. No more Cardin, Tyrian, or Watts ships. They too gross

Velveteen Knight: Aw, they’d be cute together

White Knight: I really hate this ship. It’s so obnoxious and boring, and nearly falls into the jerky badass/goofball trope I hate

Winter Soldier: ew, no, Ironwood is like her dad

Wise Dragon: anyone care to explain why this is so popular? Sage barely has any character to him, I can’t ship him with anyone

Yellow rose: Yeah, I kinda ship this, but again, it’s difficult when you barely know one character

IronQrow: I understand why you would ship this but I just don’t see it. Guys can hug without being gay you know

Martial arts: why?

Noah’s Arc: why?

Sea Monkeys: again I understand why you could ship it but I don’t. They’re obviously just friends to me

Shovel Knight: like most Oscar ships it feels weird. Jaune is obviously a big brother to him

TaiQrow: As funny as it is for Tai to sleep with every member of his team, I don’t ship it.

Fair game: I really can’t stand Clover so again, don’t ship it

Achilles heel: Cinder literally kills Pyrrha, why would you ship them?

Baked Alaska: lemon ship

Black glass: annnd, another lemon ship.

Blood Mint: yeah I don’t see Emerald and Ruby ever being a couple

Catmelon: I found Ilia’s crush on Blake kinda cringy and I can’t see them being a couple

ColdMurder (Weiss/Cinder): even in an au I don’t see it working

Cold Steel (Penny/Winter) eeewww, they’re practically sisters

Cream Machine (Neo/Penny): I mean…if she wasn’t evil…and wasn’t so much older…it might work? Maybe?

Crosshares: cute but I feel like Velvet is too much of a doormat for Coco

Digital Clock: Ciel obviously didn’t care much for Penny, and she was barely a character at all. I don’t see it

Pyrrha/Nora: don’t see it, and also can’t stand the idea of breaking up the two best ships

Falling Petals: I get that Cinder is hot, but can we stop shipping her with the kids she’s trying to murder? Because I can see several things wrong with that

Freezerburn: again, for no reason that I can think of this ship just doesn’t work for me. Much like Dragonslayer it just feels weird

Gingersnaps (Penny/Nora): that would be chaotic. I can’t really see them romantically though like most Penny ships it would be cute

Guilty Conscience (Bree/Winter): oh please no. They really don’t have any reason to be together

Ladybug: I just can’t see Blake with Ruby at all. Blake feels way to old even though she’s only older by two years.

Milk and Cereal (Ruby and Pyrrha): I guess it would work but I just don’t any chemistry

Mint chocolate (Emerald/Coco): if Coco managed to forgive her for everything that happened at Beacon I could maybe see this happening. There is some chemistry

Mommy issues: Nah, can’t see this working out.

Monochrome: Blake and Weiss have never had any romance chemistry despite plenty of opportunity to have it, so again, I see them as strictly platonic and shipping them feels almost like incest. I know that doesn’t make sense

Nordic Winter: I can’t see Weiss handling Penny, but again, any Penny ship is pretty cute

Nuts and Dolts: I would ship, but I like them together platonically too well. Definitely understand the ship, though I find it funny that Ruby, who insist she likes weapons better then people, would fall in love with a personified weapon. I know that’s probably racist against robots

Overheating (Penny/Cinder): I take back what I said about every Penny ship being cute

PennyWeiss: but this one is pretty cute

Pink Lemonade: can you imagine the chaos of Yang and Nora dating each other? They both need someone with a cooler head to keep them in check

Scheenoks: with Weiss’s fangirling I can definitely see were this is coming from, but Weiss is too mean for Pyrrha

Steadfast: I really don’t ship any of the ace-ops with anyone. I found them all boring and annoying except for Marrow

Strawberry Shortcake (Neo/Ruby): not seeing it

Sugar Rush (Ruby/Nora): Again, too much chaos. They both need chill partners. And I love Rosegarden and ReNora too much

Thunder cat (Blake/Nora): don’t see any chemistry between them

WhiteRose: I can see why this is shipped and I don’t dislike WhiteRose shippers. I just prefer Rosegarden, and find Weiss and Ruby working better together romantically

Bumblebee: again, I see this working better platonically, not romantically. It kind of annoyed me at first, but it is growing on me, much like Blacksun. I still like Blacksun better though

Enabler: No.

#Rwby #rwby ships #bumblebee #blacksun #rosegarden #roman/neo #WhiteRose #Arkos #Renora #ruby rose #wiess Schnee #snowbird #qrow #winter Schnee #fairgame #blake bellodona #Yang Xiao Long #oscar pine

[rapunzel-the-pun-master]

Hi everyone, I’m sure that most of you are aware that there’s been some discourse (again) from certain whiterose shippers (again) towards the rosegarden community. This time they’ve crossed a line, but I will get back to that. I’m going to write about my own interpretation of the reasons behind their actions, and then I will provide some ways I think we all can avoid this in the future. I can’t stress enough that this is my own interpretation based in what I’ve seen. This is not an attack against anyone, and this is not intended to be a definitive glance into these people’s thought process. Everyone thinks differently and I could be way off the mark. I’m more using this as an example to figure out why discourse happens in fandoms at all. One last side-note before we get started: this does NOT represent whiterose as a whole, this discourse has been consistently lead by what seems to be the same whiterose shippers with some stragglers contributing here and there.

A lot of people prefer some ships over others because of self projection. So when someone tells them that their ship sucks, or another ship containing one of the characters starts to have a chance at being canon, the shipper will naturally begin to feel threatened. The certain whiterose shippers that have been causing all this discourse probably feel threatened by rosegarden merely existing. This is not an insult, I want that to be very clear. To be fair, while I haven’t seen it myself, these whiterose shippers justify their harassment by saying that rosegarden shippers leave mean comments on their posts unprompted. Even though I haven’t seen this, I will take their word for it. When the discourse first began, it was very nitpicky. They would argue things that aren’t true such as Ruby and Oscar being too far apart in years, and Ozpin making the ship akward. We would argue against these points, and the same arguments would resurface again a little while afterwards. Recently, Miles did a cameo where he disproved these points. He said (once again) that there is only a two year age gap, and when asked if it is okay to ship rosegarden, he said yes. There was also another cameo where someone tried to bait him into saying that Ruby and Oscar have a sibling relationship but it backfired completely and ended up adding fuel to rosegarden. I think that these certain whiterose shippers got frustrated with rosegarden’s increasing momentum, backing and lack of things to nitpick and they didn’t really know what else to do. Very recently, someone posted on twitter “we should bully Rosegarden.” This became a troll thread, and from there, people began to add increasingly vulgar stuff, all targeted towards rosegarden shippers. I will not go into detail, there is no point in resurfacing insults in a post that I want to be helpful.

So how do we avoid conflict in the future? Here are some helpful tips:

1. The block button is there for a reason. This is a very obvious solution that many of you have heard countless times before, but it does work. Now, the block button should not be used just because someone says they ship something different. The block button is there to avoid harassment and cyberbullying. Wait to see if the person you want to block actually means you any harm.

2. Take a 5 minute break. This works in in real life, to. If you are ever in an argument with someone and you can feel yourself or the other person getting angry, it is perfectly fine to say “I’m starting to get angry, I’m going to take a break to calm down. I will come back to this conversation, though.” The purpose of a conversation is communication, if a conversation is going nowhere, then it is also fine to say “this conversation isn’t going anywhere. Let’s just stop.” If the person tries to continue the conversation, give them a warning and say something like “I don’t like this conversation, and it isn’t going anywhere. If you keep trying to continue this conversation, I will block you.” In real life, you can’t always use this because some conversations need to find a resolution. But on the internet when you are talking with a stranger, this is a great tool.

3. Don’t comment on posts about your ship unless they directly reference it. This should be a given, but it does happen quite a lot. It doesn’t help you or your ship at all, it just gives the other person reason to retaliate. Not to mention the fact that it is just a really mean thing to do.

4. Don’t “take revenge.” It is very easy to justify insulting someone because they or their community has done it in the past. This will never result in something good. So just avoid this all together.

5. Try to diffuse the conversation. If a conversation is going nowhere, or the other person is getting aggressive, act subjective. You may feel very angry in the moment, but when people become angry, they actually become dumber in the moment. So act subjective, and if it begins to get difficult, take your five minutes. Do what you need to do to calm down.

6. Ask for advice. Go to someone you trust and show them the conversation. Ask if it seems like the conversation is going anywhere or if it is an appropriate time to block the person. Try to say the conversation word for word so that your feelings don’t mix up what was actually said.

7. Report the person. This is a very last ditch effort kind of thing to do, and it should only be done if the person has actually violated the platform’s community guidelines.

These are some ways to avoid conflict off the top of my head. Fell free to add your own if you feel I’ve missed something. Fandoms are here so we can geek out about something we all enjoy, at the end of the day, try to remember that these are just fictional characters and that it’s okay to step away for yourself. Your mental health and other’s mental health is much more important than your OTP. I hope everyone has a great day!

#rosegarden #ruby rose #oscar pine #rwby #shipping discourse #shipping discussion

[rwbyrg]

Reason Why Rosegarden is Canon: #010

Oscar literally says "woah" the first time he sees Ruby.

#i'm not joking #go rewatch if you have to #boy literally said woah #and don't even get me started on how he hovered outside the door #and only actually crossed the threshold when she came down the stairs #but the doors is an entirely different meta i've been meaning to write for ages. one day i'll get there. #reasons why rosegarden is canon #rwby #oscar pine #rosegarden #rwby rosegarden

[roz-ani]

It’s been over 24 hours and I’m still thinking about this blush...

SO LET’S TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I FEEL IT DESERVES MORE ATTENTION :D

Why exactly is this blush so important?

I know there are people who think Oscar already has a crush on Ruby, but he doesn’t realize it or is trying to hide it. Well, I’m not one of those people. It’s a cute idea, but I see it differently.

For me their relationship has been completely platonic so far. This blush definitely changes something, but I still feel we’ll see them in more “not really romantic situations”. Sure, seeing two characters you ship standing next to each other, talking, smiling is fun! Because that’s what shipping should be - fun. But that doesn’t mean those characters will end up together. I even made a post about the first episode of v7 with many pics of Ruby and Oscar just standing next to each other. I mentioned it being the essence of shipping - it was clearly a joke, something made for fun. There are also scenes where the characters interact and that makes you happy, but the scene itself is not meant for shipping. For example:

The first one can be seen as romantic AND platonic. When it comes to the second one, you may be happy to see Ruby and Oscar together in one frame, but that’s not the point of the scene. Simple as that, applies to any ship. Shippers see those cute scenes as a build up. It’s just important to stay reasonable.

Now, what makes this blush so special? It lasts about one second, disappears as quickly as it appears...

You see, it’s all about the meaning of it. It’s such a small thing, but tells us so much. I think we can all agree that Oscar is an awkward boy - look at his body language and blushing. It happened two times - when Ruby smiled at him in v5 and when Neon complimented him in v7. He didn’t know how to react to those things. However, this one is different. Blushing is involuntary, triggered by various emotions. Sure, it may disappear pretty quickly, but it’s still out of your control. So, what exactly caused it? Why his face turned red after a simple touch and not during their last talk? Couldn’t this interaction be platonic too?

Like I said, the scene from chapter 9 can be completely platonic. Ruby and Oscar had the same idea, just didn’t know how to tell ech other about it. They’re good friends with the same goal. It’s obvious that Oscar looks up to Ruby, and she admires him for his bravery. We already have a well established friendship. Now it’s time to develop it even further. I think Oscar doesn’t really have a crush on Ruby. Sure, he admires her, but it was nothing more than friendship... until now. This is just the beginning, the first sign. 

Imagine this: you have a friend. Someone you look up to and respect. You hang out a lot, have similar interests, way of thinking/acting etc. One day they hug you goodbye. It’s nothing unusual or big, you’ve done that many times before. But this feels different. It’s not the way they hugged you, nothing changed about that after all. It’s you. For some reason this normal hug made your heart skip a bit. This might be something more than friendship for you. Do you realize that right away? Probably no. It takes time, you have to analyse it, see if this is a one-off situationn. It doesn’t have to happen every time you’re doing something together. But you will start blushing, acting irrationally, maybe even get jealous at some point? I believe that’s what we can see happening in this scene. Oscar’s body reacted in a way he did not expect. I think he didn’t have a crush on Ruby, but his feelings are starting to change. He’s not aware of it, but he can probably feel “something isn’t right”.

So, what exactly is this blush for us? It proves Rosegarden has even bigger chance of becoming canon. It’s actually an option now, not something that might get skipped. We got to see many sweet, heartwarming moments between them, but Oscar’s blush is the start of something more. For us and for the characters.

#rosegarden #rwby #oscar pine #ruby rose #rwby spoilers #rwby8 spoilers #rwby volume 8 spoilers #roz writes #rosegarden analysis #mine #it only took... 4 hours :D #thank you chaos server for support T.T

[littlemisssquiggles]

A Rosegarden moment I’d love to see...

For the longest while, I’ve been hoping for a parallel to the Rosegarden dojo scene that happened back in V5.

Back in V5, Oscar asked Ruby how she was able to handle being a huntress despite all that happened to her prior to them meeting with the Fall of Beacon, the death of some of her closest comrades and the division of her and her team and all that jazz.

Since then I’ve been hoping the show would follow up the V5 dojo scene with a nice call-back to that moment with the roles reversed---this time with Ruby Rose being the one to hit Oscar with the same question.

Because here’s something interesting that I’ve noticed about Oscar. Despite everything that’s happened to him, what’s curious to note is that Oscar has remained quite calm throughout every strife he’s faced despite his own shortcomings and fears. Even after being tortured for hours by the enemy and staring their greatest foe in the face before blowing her (and one of their former foes turned allies) to smithereens, Oscar still remains composed throughout everything.

It is for this reason why I would love a scene where Ruby is the one to hit Oscar with this hard question:

“…How does he handle all of this? How can he remain so calm about everything after suffering through so much?”

Picture this, if you will. A scenario in which Ruby suffers an emotional breakdown---like perhaps she becomes too overwhelmed over Ironwood's ultimatum to surrender Penny combined with the fact that Penny was still lying injured and unconscious and now Ruby would be forced to give her up. Essentially Ruby becomes increasingly worried---not just for Penny but also for the scared people of Atlas and Mantle whose lives were now being placed in more danger due to their actions against the General.

I like the idea of there being a second moment of things being "too much" for Ruby to handle emotionally thus leading into an opportune scene where Ruby possibly sneaks off to go off on her own this time to cope with her troubling emotions and rising anxiety on the dire matters at hand.

It is here where Oscar notices Ruby sneaking away and follows her. Remember when I said it would be meaningful if Oscar hugged Ruby? Similar to how he helped her through her repressed emotions back during V5, I think it would be very sweet if Oscar helped Ruby emotionally for a second time given the current development with Ironwood, thus leading to them sharing a nice moment and a tender hug, initiated by Oscar.

And what would make this moment even better is if this also led into Oscar coming clean about his true feelings about everything to Ruby in a way that both comforts and inspires her.

Similar to Oscar’s outburst at Ruby back in the dojo where he reminded her of all of her past troubles and all that was happening around her, I’d love to see something similar where Ruby hits Oscar with the harsh reminder of every horrible thing that happened to him since V4---how he was forced to give up his life to carry out Ozma’s responsibilities and how as a result of that he had to often face the repercussions of decisions that his predecessors made including being kidnapped and tortured by Ozma’s enemies.

One gripe that I’ve always had with the writing and treatment of Oscar’s side of the story is that up until this point, there have been no emotional payoffs for anything Oscar has been through. No matter how much pain Oscar endures, he always walks out of it calm and completely unphased. Outside of Oz back in RWBY V8CH2, Oscar has never truly opened up to anyone else about how he’s been really feeling with everything.

This is why I would love a dojo scene parallel where Ruby is the one to bulldoze through the wall Oscar has placed over himself since the start of his journey and finally get him to come clean about his true feelings and fears to someone he trusts. I also wish for Oscar to remind Ruby of why he looks to her so much---reminding her of the same words she used to inspire him back in V5. 

And similar to how Oscar’s intervention in V5CH5 brought Ruby to be honest with herself; leading into an inspiring speech from her highlighting her determination to continue to fight to protect others despite her own fears and problems, I want to see something done for Oscar too.

I want Oscar to say to Ruby that despite his own suffering and his fears regarding the Merge, he was still determined to keep fighting because he still had his promise to keep; reminding Ruby of Argus.

Back in the Arc-Cotta residence, Oscar promised his team that despite his “borrowed time” he was still willing to do everything within his power to help them achieve their goal of saving Remnant from Salem.

I would love to see a moment where both the dojo scene and Oscar’s promise from V6 are referenced again. 

I think a scene like could be a great moment for both Oscar and his growing bond with Ruby.

And for the added icing on the cake, imagine if…this all took place inside of a garden. Back in V4, Whitley mentioned that the Schnees have a garden on their home premises. So picture how fitting it would be for our Rosegarden pair to share a nice bonding moment in the garden at Schnee Manor.

That could be great. But as always, this is just me spouting ideas. While I doubt anything like this would happen in the canon; you guys know how much I like to just toss this out there. So here’s another Rosegarden scenario concept for my fellow gardeners.

~LittleMissSquiggles (2021)

#rwby #oscar pine #ruby rose #oscar and ruby #rwby rosegarden #rwby theories #rwby volume 8 spoilers #rwby volume 8 theories

[likestoimagine16]

I feel like 98% of the time I see an argument about nuts and dolts or rosegarden obviously being canon because of xyz, it’s actually highlighting the fact that, on at least a superficial level, the only reason why a Venn diagram between the two isn’t a perfect circle is because one has a song and the other has the outfit with the accent color

#rwby #like #on a more thematic/narrative level #there are more differences #and either way both ships are cute #but on a superficial level like #‘complimentary color schemes’ #‘Ruby reassured them during an identity crisis’ #‘significant focus between the two of them in the first meeting despite Ruby being part of a group’ #‘bumbleby and probably renora parallels’ #and the like #aren’t exactly… exclusive to only the one ship #hell even ‘gets possessed with gold/yellow eyes by and older guy and a heavy side-eye from Ruby’ #and ‘circumstances making death (potentially) Weird’ aren’t unique to only one ship #though they are admittedly less ship things #and more just individual character things #I mean also like on a thematic/narrative level I think rosegarden makes more sense #but in terms of character interactions nuts and dolts had a lot more focus in v7/8 #(though on a third hand you can argue that black sun also had more focus for v4/5) #(which can honestly fit either argument depending on how you feel like spinning it)

[onewomancitadel]

You've mentioned Rosegarden a few times, and I'm wondering something.

Now, you said in an earlier ask how Oscar and Ruby are both sort of children, and it would work once they were older. I think. This is just off of memory. But anyway,

Should the fact that Oz lives in Os's head - and will eventually take over - not ruin the ship? Especially since these two characters are younger? It's the deal-breaker for me, the fact that Oz is part of Oscar, but I'd like to get another perspective.

No it's a fair question, and not really one I talk about specifically, because Knightfall is my focus. I'm willing to take on board opinions from RG fans in particular (I know a mutual of mine whose RG opinions are similar to my own), since I'm sort of talking out of my comfort zone. With that being said, they fit into my reading of Salem/Ozma as a relationship being resolved in the present-day story, which is one of the reasons I think RG is being set up. I'm talking about canon, not my own wishes, though I do think RG mirrors some of what interests me about Knightfall, especially given that Knightfall is, essentially, Edgy Rosegarden. (Tongue in cheek, lol).

I'll add the caveat for people who get weird about RG because 'age gap':

if you've ever shipped literally any Ruby ship, why are you like this. I think story-wise they're the same age but like, Ruby is two years younger than Weiss. Nobody batted an eyelid at that ship. Oscar being younger than Ruby - when there's nothing textually really romantic between the characters yet, it's all mostly subtext and worry - is not a concern. If you want Ruby with somebody else or no one at all, you don't need to hide your argument under the guise of being concerned about not-real characters. On the Oz inside Oscar's head element: this is a mythical fairy tale about a young boy (in Oscar's story) becoming an adult. It's not real-life, and as you'll see at the end of this post, I don't think that Oz is sticking around, especially because his reincarnation has to end, and he has to achieve enlightenment.

But yes, I've mentioned that Ruby and Oscar (and Penny) are symbolically children for a lot longer than everybody else. Pyrrha was the death of childhood, but it's not until V6 when Ruby uses her silver eyes (with the matriarchal guidance from Maria and Jinn) and fully reconciles with all of that she really begins to grow up. It happens to Oscar around the same time (split off from Oz) and Penny obviously in V7. Arguably Penny and Oscar both have their 'growing' moments in the same sequence.

Textually, this is Oz returning, and textually, this is Penny becoming a Maiden. Subtextually, this is Oscar 'growing up', and this is Penny going from a girl to a woman, as I've written about before.

I'm willing to allow Oscar actually 'grows up' sooner than this, but it feels most prominent visually here.

Basically I think of the two appropriate pairings for Ruby, it was either Penny or Oscar. The latter works for other reasons, including that he's one of the Four Protagonist archetypes (with Ruby, Cinder and Jaune).

Anyway, one thing I want to bring up is that the person who conflates Oscar and Oz (and ignores Oscar) ends up being a major villain, that is, Ironwood. Not even Salem does this: when she's kidnapped Oscar, she... speaks to him oddly kindly, and understands Oz is 'keeping' things from him (the Beacon Relic). Obviously Salem knows Ozma 'better than anybody else', in a way, and she doesn't even personally blame Oscar for Oz?

And all of the heroes are interested in preserving Oscar for who he is. Qrow and Jaune are very naughty in V6 and hurt Oscar, and I'm not going to dismiss that; it's actually not a good thing, and then things turn around.

I think the Oscar and Oz endgame is hard to predict, because there are a few ways to mythically resolve it. It's made more complicated by the fact that the inherent issue of the story is that Ozma is alive when he isn't supposed to be, and so is Salem. (And... the original wound of the story is the technical absurdity of his death).

The Little Prince's ending is ambiguous (one of Oscar's chief influences), and he's alive and also dead at the same time, so I don't know if that will influence his ending in canon.

But if they go to even redeeming Salem in some way, and reconciling her with Ozma, I can't see Ozma going on without her either way. They die together, or they live together. The story is not going to end with them apart. Ozma can't be without Salem, and Ozma would keep Oscar from Ruby. Do you see where I'm going?

The new relationships in the show mythically resolve Salem/Ozma on their own, yes, but it's by their example that Salem and Ozma would learn. That Ruby and Oscar are both Salem- and Ozma-coded (but with shared elements) means they're really at the forefront of resolving it. Jaune and Cinder are the most literal Oz and Salem, lol.

So, what I'm saying is:

1. Bad mean, cynical, genre-inappropriate villain conflates Oscar and Oz = that means he's wrong

2. Ozma and Salem have to be back together in some way

3. Ozma would keep Ruby and Oscar from each other, and Oscar becoming a man on his own

so... Ozma doesn't get in the way of the ship at all, that is, in resolution he'll separate, and I don't think it's thematically proper to keep Salem and Ozma apart from one another in the ending, in whichever way that turns out. That could mean Oscar dies, but honestly, Ozma is already dealt with; I think it would be especially cruel to revisit that idea. It could also mean they sacrifice themselves so Oscar can live, who knows. It's anybody's game. The curse has to be broken somehow, though.

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