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godsofhumanity · 3 months

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if you have the time i was just wondering if you had any thoughts/headcanons about sigyn? personally my main one is that she was the one who cut the wire on loki’s mouth after the dwarves sewed it shut

usually it takes me like a month or two to get to hc asks, but this ask is phrased so sweetly and also i adore your hc so i am responding ASAP!!!

in terms of personality, i hc Sigyn to be very meek and humble. i think she is everything Loki is not, and this is fully intentional!!!

i hc that Loki and Sigyn's marriage is arranged by Odin as a way of trying to bring Loki back in line.. to tone him down.

we all know that Odin and Loki considered each other brothers,, but most other gods in Asgard don't share Odin's love for Loki. of these gods, i feel Frigg, Freyja, Tyr, and Heimdallr to be amongst Loki's least fans but these four are also very close Odin and their opinions hold a lot of sway with him.

after all of Loki's antics, i think Odin begins to feel pressure from most of his court stressing that Loki is becoming more trouble than he's worth... of course, Odin does care for Loki and recognises his value, and so, he isn't quite ready to just ditch Loki (it'll take his son dying to make Odin realise just how troublesome Loki can be :// ) and so he comes up with a plan-- if Odin can marry Loki off, maybe, just maybe, he'll become a little more sensible. he'll have someone to hold him accountable, to keep track of him.

that someone? Sigyn.

Sigyn, as i mentioned before, is very modest and sensible. she's enormously kind and endlessly patient. i think she'd have a very friendly, sweet face, always smiling.

i'm not sure where Sigyn comes from-- i definitely do not think she is Odin's daughter or has any blood relation to him,, i think she must've just been one of the ladies of the court. perhaps she was part of Frigg's entourage..

in any case, Sigyn is chosen because she's the exact opposite of Loki and Odin hopes she'll rub off on him.

Sigyn doesn't really want to marry Loki-- i mean, it's not as though she's seen him at court and admires him from a distance. she knows who he is and the kind of trouble he sometimes gets into,, but she doesn't fully comprehend how much of a trickster Loki is.

she thinks, "hmm maybe everyone's being a bit harsh on him."

Sigyn is extremely loyal. first, she is loyal to Odin. that's why she agrees to his plan to marry Loki. but as her marriage progresses, she becomes loyal to Loki because he is her husband and she is a dutiful wife.

i don't believe that Sigyn ever "falls in love" with Loki. she just tolerates him. she finds him a little amusing. she likes the way he's so confident in himself and the way he breaks the mould. even though she wouldn't do it herself. all in all. i don't think she's ashamed to be his wife. and he's not ashamed to be her husband.

i don't think their marriage is unpleasant. Loki is quite amiable towards Sigyn. at the beginning, it's mostly to keep up appearances, but as time goes, it becomes genuine.

i think Loki thinks her to be naive, but there's a purity in her innocence that he knows he doesn't have himself,, so it's like,, pleasing to see in her... if that makes sense?

anyways. Sigyn is not Loki's confidant. i think he's very careful not to detail everything about his exploits or tricks. he keeps her blind and in this way, she's never really at fault for his actions because she doesn't know. in a weird, Loki-sort-of way, it's a kindness to her.

after Sigyn has her boys,, they become her entire world. nothing brings her more joy. i think they are very important to Loki too,, maybe partially because he sees how much joy they bring Sigyn.

as for Sigyn's step-children. i don't think they have much of a relationship; Fenrir, Jormungandr, and Hel are not children in the traditional sense. nevertheless, Sigyn is never jealous of them. she'd speak kindly about them if they ever came up in conversation; that's just who she is.

when everything goes to shit, and Loki gets imprisoned,, Sigyn's children pay the price. brutally. and i think it shatters Sigyn.

it's not like she becomes mean, or cruel. she just becomes.. ghostly. she doesn't talk, or smile. she's mostly mute. she stares off into the distance. sometimes she thinks she hears her boys calling to her.

oddly enough, at Sigyn's lowest point is the time that i think Loki finds the most respect and genuine admiration for her. pride to call her his wife. because even in all of her pain,,, she remains true to her character. she doesn't seek revenge. she knows it's partially Loki's doing that her children are dead, but she still stays with him to protect him. to collect the poison from the snake.

i don't fancy Sigyn to be vengeful. she's gentle, always. it's a strength.

not to talk about my Ragnarok AU again but when Loki gets free finally, i love the idea of him being extremely protective of Sigyn. he makes sure she's safe, not just from his enemies, but from other gods on his own side who might perceive her to be "deadweight". he doesn't abandon her when she becomes frail and incomprehensive. he makes sure that she won't suffer on his account anymore.

i can't comment on how Sigyn feels about this because i think she's so broken she doesn't know how to comprehend the world anymore. she's just a shell.

#anon #anonymous #asks #sigyn #loki #loki x sigyn #actually kinda <-#hc

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godsofhumanity · 3 months

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What do you think of Lelantos, the brother of Leto and Asteria and the father of Aura. He’s is the son of Koios and Phoebe

SO. i've actually already done hc's for Lelantos here. i don't really have anything more to add,, but if you have questions about something specific, you can shoot me an ask :)

#nicosavior456 #asks

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this is going to be such a long post by the time i finish, but i had to replyyyyy because my head is buzzing with thoughts about this!!

so, you said that it would be more likely that zeus gets bored-- in my characterisation of Zeus, he's not a guy who just plays with mortal lives for his own entertainment. don't get me wrong, i don't think it's like he loves all of humanity,, that's more Prometheus,, but i think, as a King, as a god who receives sacrifice from mortals, he acknowledges that it's his duty to keep an eye out on them. to guide them. to direct them. my version of Zeus can be goofy at times, but not in relation to the affairs of humanity. some gods are like this (ahem, Aphrodite, Poseidon, etc., ahem), but i don't want Zeus to be like that. i want him to be likeable.

now. about death. it's true that Greek gods technically don't die.. even after Ouranos was "killed" in lore, he was still able to communicate and advise Kronos. HOWEVER. i like the idea that Greek gods, all gods actually, can be incapacitated. they can be made dormant, and in this state, they have no corporeal form.. they can communicate/interact the way they could with a physical body; i call this "being broken down into divine essence". i think when Kronos swallowed his children, he wasn't eating their physical bodies, but "dissolved" them into pure divine energy which he then absorbed. as divine energy, they are potent and affect the universe unconsciously, but they are not actually thinking or seeing or hearing, etc. and this, to me, is the same as death. now, there are, of course, nuances to returning to this state of divine essence. the Big Six were broken down into divine essence by Kronos and yet survived. however, Zagreus is said to have actually died when ripped apart by the Titans, and his body was unable to be recovered, hence the need for Zagreus to be reincarnated as Dionysus. i think the key difference should be the manner in which a person dies; my Kronos hesitates about killing his children and so they are not fully dissolved because his heart is not fully there, but the Titans may have had no qualms about destroying Zagreus and so their full power is able to obliterate him to the point of no return. similarly, Diophontes wants to kill Zeus, to destroy everything of his the way Zeus destroyed all of Metis. i also think will is a worthwhile factor. the Big Six are young and motivated by Rhea to fight, so they retain the ability to return back from Kronos. i think when Zeus is eventually defeated by his son, he has lived for so long, experienced so many things, he is ready to finally just rest-- he knows Olympus will be taken care of.. so he can afford to just... die. in saying that, i think his essence is still there. i think Dionysus would sometimes stand in front of his statue and pray for guidance, and although Zeus cannot/would not respond with words, there would be subtle things-- a strong wind from nowhere, sudden gentle rain. idk. you would feel the presence of the gods who have died even though they aren't there.

anyways.. in my AU, i've mostly killed off gods whom the Lore states can be replaced with successors... Odin is replaced by Baldr, Ra is replaced by Set, Zeus is replaced by Dionysus, etc. some gods don't really have an heir that makes sense: for example, i don't think Horus would die because i can't really see that Lore has developed a reason for any one of his sons being ready for the throne, and Horus has already worked hard to win the throne and prove himself.

this story is obviously not real, but i wanted a way to transition out of the Age of Heroes and into a world more alike to that which we know in reality, and i thought Ragnarok would be an excellent way to do that. idk. it makes 100% sense in my head ahahahahaha

Do you think you can elaborate on your HCs about Dionysus being Zeus’ heir? How do they and the other Olympians feel about it? When would the transition of power happen?

hulloooo!!!!!!!!!!! yes i can! i have a lot of things to say, so i am dividing the hc's into sections so that it is easy to read. i also have added colour to some names-- it doesn't mean anything, i just thought it would be easier to read!

👑 BASIS IN LORE FOR DIONYSUS BEING HEIR

so Lore doesn't actually say that Dionysus was Zeus' heir, just that Zeus brought him into the world to bring laughter and joy and whatever.

HOWEVER. you may be familiar with a little guy known as Zagreus! Zagreus is considered to be the son of Zeus and Persephone (ew! this is 100% Zeus at his absolute lowest btw) and Zagreus was often conflated with Dionysus. Orphic mysteries say that Zagreus was the first incarnation of Dionysus-- Dionysus was Zagreus reincarnated because Zagreus was killed by the Titans.

now. according to Wikipedia (bad source, i know, but i couldn't find much more on where this statement came from), Zagreus was meant to be Zeus' heir.

in Nonnus' Dionysiaca, 6, 168:

"By this marriage with [Zeus,] Persephone... bore Zagreus the horned baby, who by himself climbed upon the heavenly throne of Zeus and brandished lightning in his little hand, and newly born, lifted and carried the thunderbolts in his tender fingers."

from memory, i don't think any other god actually sits on Zeus' own throne OR wields lightning, so i take this to mean that Zagreus was meant to be Zeus' heir, and by the connection between Zagreus and Dionysus, I am hc-ing Dionysus to be Zeus' heir.

now. even if this isn't true by Lore, i think Dionysus is the only suitable option for the throne.

🍇 WHY DIONYSUS IS THE MOST SUITABLE

from the elder Olympians: Hades and Poseidon are already kings of their own domain so i don't think they'd reach out to get Heaven as well. Hestia has too much of a passive role in myth to be a ruler. Demeter has never been shown to care much for the affairs of Olympus. Hera COULD be, but i cannot see her rallying the support of everyone given her history of vindictiveness. and that's the older generation completely ruled out.

from the younger Olympians: Ares, like his mother, would be unable to garner support from everyone and is also too brash. Artemis does not care enough for the affairs of Olympus to rule-- she is quite cold and has been demonstrated in Lore to prefer the wilderness and her own group of girls to the rest of the Olympians. Apollo is said to remain unwed because he could not choose a wife from amongst the Muses; this demonstrates indecisiveness to me which is not a useful trait for a king. furthermore, Apollo often laments his decisions/mistakes which shows weakness, which is also not a useful trait for a king. thirdly, i simply do not see Apollo as having enough ambition for the position-- he would lose his freedom. Hephaestus is too busy with his craft to rule. Hermes is too mischievous and going from Messenger to King doesn't really make sense logically. Aphrodite, too chaotic and has never demonstrated potential to rule.

that leaves Athena. i think she COULD BE. but i think she is quite arrogant and unwilling to compromise which would make her a very difficult queen. i think she would make enemies quite easily. also, i hc her to have no desire to rule-- i think she would like the independence to pursue her own whims, and being Queen would take this freedom from her.

Dionysus, on the other hand, has a distinct advantage to me-- he began life as a man. i know he had divine blood, but his MOTHER was mortal... Dionysus is the ONLY god who is required to undergo "trials" to prove his divinity.

everyone else is divine by birth, but Dionysus must EARN his place in Olympus by living amongst men first.. and it's CHALLENGING. he is undermined by mere mortals on countless occasions.

now. i do not actually like Dionysus as he is presented in Lore... but evidently, Zeus thought him worthy after all his years on earth and granted him the golden tickets to Olympus, so i think that counts for something.

in my personal hc's for Dionysus, i think he is very similar to Zeus. the most from all Zeus' kids.

Dionysus and Zeus are both very cheerful and jovial. they laugh a lot. they're fun. they're smart. BUT. they can also have a terrible, vicious anger. they command others. they can lead armies. they know when to insist on their way and when to compromise in a way that does not make them seem weak.

i think Dionysus is immature in his youth, like Zeus. but in adulthood, he becomes compassionate and wise, strong and gentle, commanding and forceful. these are the words i would describe my own version of Zeus with as well, and the traits i would expect from a king.

in light of all these hc's, i do not think Dionysus faces much opposition-- his siblings LIKE him and i think that by the time Dionysus becomes King, he is quite mature, and people are quite happy to accept him. What about Hera? the short answer: she's dead. the long answer? check the next section on how the transition happens.

📖 HOW DIONYSUS BECOMES KING

to explain this, i need to take a side-step and tell you about a story i made-up (or rather, am in the middle of developing in my mind) in which the End of the World takes place.

you've heard of Ragnarok; well, i think that every pantheon has their own version of Ragnarok. and i think that when Ragnarok comes, it is the end of the world for EVERYONE. greeks, egyptians, aztecs, etc. everyone. i hc there to be an uprising of old gods; Chernobog, Loki, Apep, etc. who instigate a war that kills off many familiar faces.

when does this take place? Hesiod, in his Theogony, describes 5 Ages of Man:

Golden Age - made by Kronos. perfect men, practically gods.

Silver Age - made by Zeus. stubborn, foolish men.

Bronze Age - made by Zeus. barbaric, warring men.

Heroic Age - made by Zeus. noble heroes like Heracles. descendants of Deucalion.

Iron Age - made by Zeus. "us", allegedly. mortals today.

i think this end of the world happens at the end of the Heroic Age and the new world that is born after the End becomes our age: an age where the gods have left. i'm rejecting Hesiod's writing and saying that this Iron Age is created by Dionysus & co., not Zeus, when Dio is the new king.

now that we've got a timeline, let's get back to Dionysus' promotion.

Zeus swallowed Metis because he was warned that her son would overthrow him. i have a hc that Metis was pregnant with twins- Athena and a son, whom i have named "Diophontes" (slayer of Zeus). there's some more background to this, but let's just say for now: Diophontes gets trapped in Zeus' skull while Athena emerges, and eons later, at the End of Days, an enemy god releases Diophontes and during the Great War, Diophontes fulfills the prophecy and kills Zeus.

i said before that i think Hera dies. during this Great War, there are other fearsome enemies including Typhon and his mate Echidna, and a host of other evil gods and monsters... i think Hera falls in battle here alongside Zeus.

theoretically, Hera would make a kick-ass queen, but i think it makes far more sense thematically for the New World to be led by a god of the younger generation... there needs to be fresh blood and a clean slate. Dionysus fulfills that requirement.

so i think, after all the fighting settles, Dionysus is chosen from amongst the surviving Olympians to become King of Olympus, and under his guidance, Greek gods abandon the earth and refrain from taking active part in human affairs. no more demigods, no more curses, no more gods in disguise. it is a time for mortals to develop and grow on their own without divine intervention. and thus the 5th age of man is ushered in.

fin.

#my image of the gods is very like.. epic? dramatic? serious?#i don't want them to all be fickle jokers. they should be role models for kings and heroes...#if they view humanity as playthings.. they are not gods.. they are spoiled children.#i couldn't imagine why anyone would want to worship someone who enjoyed using them for their own entertainment...#replies

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Patroclus: Sometimes facing your fears is the best way to realize they aren’t actually scary. Achilles: Yeah I totally agree. Like when I climbed a mountain during a lightning storm and demanded to be struck by lightning. I didn’t get hurt at all and now I’m not even scared of the gods anymore. Patroclus: That is… Not what I meant. Odysseus: YOU DID WHAT?!

#patroclus #achilles #odysseus #greek heroes #greek gods #greek mythology #incorrect greek gods #incorrect greek mythology #incorrect mythology #mythology #s: tumblr #queuetzalcoatl #incorrect greek heroes

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Ares: Do I look good in this shirt or this shirt? Aphrodite: You look better with no shirt. Ares: *intense blushing*

#ares: stop itttttt that's so embarrassing ///// o.o /////#ares #aphrodite #greek gods #greek mythology #incorrect greek gods #incorrect greek mythology #incorrect mythology #mythology #s: tumblr #ares x aphrodite #aphrodite x ares #queuetzalcoatl

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You were lying to me, when you'd jump on my bed and say "When you die, grandma, I will cut my hair for you, and bring all my friends to sing at your grave."

#OHHHHHH ASTYANAX #funny that i saw this actually. i was just thinking about how Hecuba survived the war. how alone she must’ve been #ART #REBLOG

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Zeus: [having a coughing fit] Hera: Are you dying? Zeus, still coughing: [nods] Hera: Well, can you die a little quieter?

#zeus #hera #zeus x hera #hera x zeus #greek gods #greek mythology #incorrect greek gods #incorrect greek mythology #incorrect mythology #mythology #s: tumblr #queuetzalcoatl

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#tempted to say Styx here just to be clever #but otherwise. VOTE HERAAAAAA 💙💙💙#reblog #poll #sorry for posting a lot today everyone i’m going now

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Do you think you can elaborate on your HCs about Dionysus being Zeus’ heir? How do they and the other Olympians feel about it? When would the transition of power happen?

👑 BASIS IN LORE FOR DIONYSUS BEING HEIR

so Lore doesn't actually say that Dionysus was Zeus' heir, just that Zeus brought him into the world to bring laughter and joy and whatever.

now. according to Wikipedia (bad source, i know, but i couldn't find much more on where this statement came from), Zagreus was meant to be Zeus' heir.

in Nonnus' Dionysiaca, 6, 168:

now. even if this isn't true by Lore, i think Dionysus is the only suitable option for the throne.

🍇 WHY DIONYSUS IS THE MOST SUITABLE

everyone else is divine by birth, but Dionysus must EARN his place in Olympus by living amongst men first.. and it's CHALLENGING. he is undermined by mere mortals on countless occasions.

in my personal hc's for Dionysus, i think he is very similar to Zeus. the most from all Zeus' kids.

📖 HOW DIONYSUS BECOMES KING

to explain this, i need to take a side-step and tell you about a story i made-up (or rather, am in the middle of developing in my mind) in which the End of the World takes place.

when does this take place? Hesiod, in his Theogony, describes 5 Ages of Man:

Golden Age - made by Kronos. perfect men, practically gods.

Silver Age - made by Zeus. stubborn, foolish men.

Bronze Age - made by Zeus. barbaric, warring men.

Heroic Age - made by Zeus. noble heroes like Heracles. descendants of Deucalion.

Iron Age - made by Zeus. "us", allegedly. mortals today.

now that we've got a timeline, let's get back to Dionysus' promotion.

fin.

#anon #anonymous #asks #hc #long post #dionysus

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