#Elly talks about things

[sixvisxpacem]

Do you ever just watch something, and then sit around with literal TEARS in your eyes (tears that don’t end up there easily at all), and you just struggle so much to process that pain that is very much cathartic in nature but at the same time it hurts so very much because ‘you’re still stuck there’ ? T_T

OUCH, my nonexistent heart *sobs*

#Elly talks about things

[dandelionandkrindle]

You don’t know what it was like to have a family. To belong. I didn’t have them for long but I had them. I belonged to them. And I want that again.

#ellie x riley #ellie williams #riley abel #storm reid #bella ramsey #the last of us #tlou #tlou hbo #tlouedit #tlouhboedit #tlou spoilers #YOU MATTERED TO ME FIRST #GOD #the thing is riley IS ellie's family. she's her best friend her first love and that belonging that riley is talking about? /they/ have that. #they belonged to each other

[puppetmaster13u]

Prompt 251

Danny is tired and annoyed. On one hand, his parents took the whole ‘so I might be slightly dead’ pretty well! Which is good! On the other, they decided to send him and his sisters to their uncle while they take care of the Guys in White and refurbish the house to be, well, him safe. Which meant a ridiculously long flight all the way to New Jersey. 

A flight he was pretty sure happened to be illegal what with the fact that neither of them were asked for their IDs or anything despite having them with them. Hm. Y’know he’s not going to question it, he’s getting a nap the moment they get to Uncle Harvey’s. 

#DCxDP #DPxDC #Prompts #Harvey & Maddie are half-siblings #Two-Face grumbles but honestly also loves his nephew & nieces (wait he thought they only had one niece-) #Look it’s not the first time Jack & Maddie have broken laws and they’re not gonna let GIW hurt their kids #Danny is going to get an autograph from Poison Ivy for Sam #Jazz is going to get an interview from Harley if it’s the last thing they do #Harvey to Two-Face: We can’t get arrested with the kids plz don’t mess with the bats #Give Two-Face a name challenge #Ellie loves her uncles Harvey & Archie #Danny to Jazz: So we’re not going to talk about how our uncle is pretty much a mafia boss right #Jazz: I don’t think you realize what I witnessed before you were born Danny #Jazz: I’m gonna lay low so I can be a brain surgeon & if we can use this to our advantage we will

[nbnaruto]

For the older grayson brother danny au, realistically Danny would meet all of Dick's younger siblings gradually but the idea all of them meeting him all at once is so funny to me. Even better if none of them knew Dick had an older brother (and 2 older sisters), Dick just mentions he can't hang out with one of them in the gc because he's hanging out with his older brother and all the batkids are like "wtf are you talking about?" Dick swears he's mentioned Danny (and jazz and ellie) at least once but all of them swear they've never heard those names before. Cue the meeting, they've decided to meet at Mcdonald's or sumn and right before they get to the mcdonalds Dick stresses that they should be on their best behaviour cuz Danny and Co aren't from Gotham and they are Normal Civilians TM, they turn the corner and see McDonalds is getting robbed, they rush in to find Danny beating the shit out of the thief with a napkin holder like outta that scene in shameless, Jazz is getting a first aid kit ready and Ellie is cheering in the background

#this is a crack au so i can say what i want :) #dp x dc #danny phantom #i dont think Danny could keep the whole ghost thing also ellie is my clone thing secret esp from Dick who is nosey as hell but its funny #also the thought of 18yr old Danny flying around with 14yr old Dick on his shoulders is incredibly endearing to me #BUT Dick thinking Danny and the rest of the fentons are freaks but like normal freaks is also incredibly funny #Danny shows 12yr old Dick how to make a bazooka with ingredients you find in any normal household #dick who is 12 and has been a vigilante since he was 9 is just like wow :D coolest brother ever and doesnt think twice #its also funny if Danny was alluded to for years but because of assumptions nobody even knew about it #dick says sorry i got to help my brother with something in front of one of the batkids and they assume hes talking about one of them #or using them as an excuse to get out of something #in reality Danny wanted to hang out with his lil bro so he convinced dick he needs help building a functional rocket or sumn #older grayson bro au #mine

[bigfatbimbo]

UGAHHHHHHGHGHHHHH IM HAVING SUCH AN INTENSE MOMENT RIGHT NOW

IM GOING CRAZY AND THIS IS MY OUTLET!! ANYWAYS RIVAL LUTE REQUESTS, ANYONE?

ANGST, FLUFF, SMUT, IM DOWN IM JUST HUNGRY FOR RIVAL LUTE AND THIS PLAYLISTS SONGS ARENT HELPING

I LOVE SAPPHIC RIVALS WITH LUTE I NEED IT RIGHT NOW I NEEED IT 🙏🙏

#shut the fuck up #i hate the voices #RAHHH #IM #FUCK #UGHHHHH ANGRY #hazbin hotel x reader #hazbin hotel x you #anyways gang leave requests before i explode myself or others around me #calm down ellie wtf are you talking about #sorry tumblr #taking this down the second i get a request because what am i talking about #some things i need to keep to mysef #i’ve had very confusing feelings today #(for years of my life) #SHUT THE FUCK UP??? DO U EVER STOP TALKING #i think i need sleep

[schmweed]

#David Tennant #Alec Hardy #Ellie Miller #Broadchurch #my gifs #Yes they're talking about something extremely serious. #But can you see soft way his eyes tenderly trace her eyes and just rest on her face like it's the best thing he could look at? #He spends so long just looking at her -- and she is so mindful of his comfort level and RARELY looks back when he's looking at her. #If he's looking at her she's always looking ahead or down or away. #Except if she needs to hold his gaze to get a message across. Like go make some tea. Or if they're both worried. #This reminds me -- she is so naturally instinctively understanding of him #We rarely hear her addressing him by name after the rant that falls out of him when he has dinner at her place in S1. #She gets that simply looking at someone while you're talking to them is enough. And you don't need to tack on their name on top of that. #Which astounded me actually! I wondered if Chris Chibnall had spent some time around an autistic person! #Because I feel EXACTLY like Alec does abt names! I hate names. I hate using them. It's so unnecessary. #I'm not as outspoken as him though so I use them when I can't get out of it. But I hate it and I hate ppl using my name. #That scene was ASTOUNDING I'm telling you -- it took my breath away to find my very specific struggle onscreen! #Anyway. Yeah. She doesn't bug him or insist even though to her it's second nature. #I bet you she's very good at coming up with pet names -- another thing my autistic brain shrieks at and sth I suspect Alec finds impossible #Oh Ellie -- beautiful beautiful adorable strong wronged Ellie! #Wronged by everyone except him <3 #Well and a few others -- Mark was kind to her despite his pain. Brian never treated her badly that we know of. #I will always love them for that. #I wish Jack had survived -- I think he would've been kind too. Maybe she would've hidden in his store when it got too much.

[orcaog]

thinkin' about mist watching dewdrop slowly drift from her over time as he gets closer to Rain and there's nothing she can do but stand on the sidelines and observe

#and dew comes back to her and happily chatters to her about him #and all she can do is fake a smile and nod #as she realises her baby droplet has gone and there's not a thing she can do #ellie thinks too much #ellie talks a lot #mist ghoulette #dewdrop ghoul #mist #dewdrop #ghost #the band ghost #ghost the band #nameless ghoulettes #nameless ghouls #ghost headcanons

[mellohd]

i had a dream where the l4d2 survivors decided to make their own settlement instead of going to evac stations and ellis picked up an axe and proclaimed no taxation without representation. the rest of the dream was basically the l4d2 survivors fighting capitalism incarnate in a hoard and a press conference.

Alternate render (it just has more color popping out) and only remaining evidence of my sketch because i do most of my drawings in like one to two layers

#art #artist #digital art #doodles #artwork #fanart #art work #ellis #l4d2 #ellis l4d2 #l4d2 ellis #left 4 dead 2 #ellis left 4 dead 2 #capitalism incarnate was also on a bus riding the hoard #its a whole thing #maybe ill talk about it more later smh #also shawn spencer was there #he turned into ellis briefly #idk man #rip his earing #you had to be there

[the-irken-pony]

I swear it’s gonna be really cool just be patient okay please,

#if you’re wondering where the ellie fic series I keep talking about is #I hope this explains things #mine #random #shitpost

[skoulsons]

“Ah! The newbies! Tommy said his brother was in town! What’s the name?”

Joel’s mouth turned into half a smirk at the elation in the voice of the man welcoming them to the Tipsy Bison. “Joel.” He said, motioning his hand that was not occupied with Ellie’s in her direction, “this is Ellie.”

“Joel and Ellie Miller. Nice to meet you folks!”

Ellie’s eyes grew wide. Ellie Miller.

Williams? Miller. Miller? Ellie Williams… Ellie Miller.

The voices of the conversing men were drowned out now, Ellie taken completely captive by her thoughts. Joel’s last name. My last name. Our last name. But… we’re not family. We can’t, can we? It’s his name, it’s not mine. I shouldn’t be called that. I shouldn’t be but I… want to be? Do I? Fuck, of course I do. Official shit? I’d get to be a Miller? Joel’s…

“-lie?”

She was back, her thoughts pushed somewhat back. “Hm?”

He faced her, her hand still in his. “Hey, you okay? You were out of it there for a minute,” he asked, voice unmistakably soft.

“Yup, perfect,” she said, trying to brush it off. It’s a name. Chill.

“Alright,” he said, not pushing it.

The chefs cooked up burgers for them that night and Joel nearly died and went to Heaven having a burger again. Ellie wasn’t as impressed, but seeing Joel eat with the biggest grin on his face and spew some pre-outbreak junk about how delicious a good homemade burger on the grill was made it worth it to her.

But even through dinner, the thoughts in Ellie’s head didn’t leave. They weren’t bad… just curious. Miller. Ellie Miller. It’s just a simple hope. It would never happen; stop making a big deal out of it.

Even after dinner and their walk home, Joel could feel a difference. Silent communication to feeling a difference in them through… the others scent? The way they walk? How their head hung? He couldn’t tell. But there was… something there that was different about her.

They both kicked off their shoes, Ellie moving to the couch immediately to plop into the weary leather.

He asked again. “You okay?”

“Yeah. Fine.”

He stood by the door, eyebrows raised and hands alarmingly close to sitting on his hips.

She sighed, throwing her head against the back of the couch. “Nothing bad, I swear. Just… some thoughts.”

“Baby, from what I’ve seen, majority of your thoughts are bad.”

“Wow, helpful,” she said, letting out an exasperated sigh. “But you’re right. But I swear, they’re not bad. Just dumb.”

Joel sat on the other end of the couch to face her. He didn’t speak, but he did want to hear from her. Poking and prodding about her dumb thoughts would shut her down. Her dumb thoughts would still overtake her in a number of ways and he wanted her to talk about them, no matter how dumb she said or thought they were.

He sat and waited patiently for her to start.

“What the guy said earlier at dinner.”

“What, specifically?”

She half groaned, annoyed with how such dumb thoughts were making her feel. “When we first got there. You introduced us and he said Joel and Ellie Miller…”

Joel turned his head to the side, a few lightbulbs going off.

“I just… didn’t know how to feel about it, I guess. But, it’s dumb. I’m sure sleeping on it will be fine.”

“Ellie,” he started, cautiously approaching the question, “what was your reaction to it? Did you hate it or was there…”

“Interest,” Ellie continued for him. “Interest, I think? I don’t know, it’s not like I go by Ellie Williams everywhere I go. But… Miller is your name. It’s Tommy’s, it’s Maria’s. It’s not… mine. But…” she trailed off slightly, pulling at her fingers as she glanced up at him. “I kept saying it as my last name in my head and it felt… good, almost. But I’m not a part of the family and using it as my last name seems really official and we’re not official and I’m not related to you guys so it feels wrong to want something when-“

“Hey,” he interrupted, grabbing her hand from across the couch. “My last name does not define whether you’re in the family or not, got it?”

Ellie sniffed and swallowed, forcing the lump in her throat down. “Still… it feels weird.”

“Tell you what,” he grabbed her hand with his other, holding it tight. “We try it on for size for a little while? If you want. There’s a lot of families we haven’t met. Plenty of kids your age, adults my age. They know I’m Tommy’s brother, so they’re going to assume you’re related, too. If you want, when introducing yourself, you can use Miller to see how it sounds.” He smiled at her. Ellie Miller. Fuck, he’d love it. “If you end up hatin’ it, you don’t have to use it. Okay?”

She nodded in agreement, “Okay.” She looked up at him again, noting those familiar creases at the corners of his eyes. “Do you… like how it sounds?”

His smile grew as he brought her enveloped hand up to his lips, adjusting his grip on her so he could kiss her knuckles briefly, the feel of his stubble causing her to reflexively flex her fingers at the feeling. “Course I do,” he said, grabbing hold of her hand again. “But I’m not gonna ask you to use it if you end up hating it.”

She smiled, nodding in understanding. She wouldn’t hate it. It’s his last name. If this is as official as they can get, she wants it.

They stayed on the couch, Ellie eventually changing positions to laying her head on his thigh as he told her Miller Family Stories, per her request. The majority of them were embarrassing stories of Tommy in his youth, stories Joel supposedly was made to swear would never leave the immediate family.

But Ellie was a part of the immediate family now, and she’s definitely going to use her newfound knowledge against her uncle.

#Jess this is for you you talk about Ellie miller all the time #ever since that fic of him kissing her knuckles #it seriously hasn’t left my brain #and while yes #it was not my plan to include it in this #it happened anyway #hand holding ! #knuckle kissing ! apparently because flfjfpfgj my new love #proximity ! #Ellie being a miller #my beloved. all of those. beloved little things. #the last of us hbo #the last of us #joel miller #ellie williams #ellie miller #l writes

[hallwyeoo]

Ellie’s memory of the golfing scene and what it tells us about her.

🚨spoilers for tlou2🚨

I think Ellie’s flashback to Joel’s death is very telling of how she internalized the event and the meaning she applied to his death. It’s also a good demonstration of her relationship to autonomy. Let’s break down the elements that were inconsistent with the actual event:

The stairs/hallway are much longer than they were. This suggests a sense of helplessness, an inability to get there fast enough. Joel is constantly out of reach.

There is blood on the floor outside of the door. Not entirely certain on this one but my hunch is that she blames herself for not seeing more obvious signs of violence/not knowing something was wrong sooner.

The door is locked, another roadblock in her path to Joel. She can’t access him, she can’t help, he needs her and she isn’t there.

Most importantly. Joel yells “Ellie, help me” (which he didn’t in the actual scene, he just screams. He doesn’t say a word in the actual scene)

Ellie hearing Joel scream for her help, calling for her while being horribly beaten, and her being repeatedly impeded on her way to him suggests that what she took away from his death is that she wasn’t enough. They always helped each other, always had each others backs, always got up. Ellie views his death as a failure. She was too slow, too weak, not smart enough to save him. She failed him when he needed her most. She is absolutely helpless to save him, just like she was helpless to save Riley, Tess, Sam, and Jessie (and Marlene, and humanity, and and and-).

Once again, Ellie makes a decision (staying with Riley, going to the fireflies, staying with Joel, being the cure, trying to forgive Joel) and once again her autonomy and ability to find closure is ripped from her.

This is the inciting incident of tlou pt2, this is the moment where Ellie’s whole world shatters the same way Joel’s did at the start of pt1. Ellie enters into the same cycle (which I like to call the “Joel cycle” because… yeah.) that he did, and throughout pt2 she stays in the “20 years later” phase of the cycle. She is changed, she has lost her light, lost what she fought for. She lost her chance to genuinely forgive Joel and rebuild their relationship. She is stuck in a gruelling and violent world that she has no anchor in, at least not anymore. His death is so sudden and so incredibly violent that it practically gave her (and me as well, tbh) whiplash. She’s in a state of total shock.

On another devastating note, this is one of the three times in tlou that we see Ellie beg (that I remember). The first is begging Joel to get up at the university of Eastern Colorado, the second is begging him to get up and for Abby to stop, and the third is begging Abby to not kill Dina because she’s pregnant. (Two times she begs Joel to get up, one time he doesn’t. Two times she begs Abby to spare her family and one time she does. What a beautifully haunting contrast)

To wrap up, every person creates an internal narrative, a story of their life that is crafted from their context and lived experiences. The meaning we derive from those experiences doesn’t always reflect the truth, and that can sometimes bite us in the ass majorly when we experience a traumatic event. We tend to want to find someone or something to assign blame to, some reason or rationale to why it happened. We tell stories. We write them in our minds about ourselves and what happens to us and what that says about us.

But Ellie is wrong. Joel’s death happened in response to a conscious and willing choice he made. It is in no way her fault, and there was absolutely no way for her to know or to stop what was happening. I think Ellie knows that much on an intellectual level, It just doesn’t change how devastated she is over the whole event. It can’t change the fact that she FEELS as though this was all her fault, that Joel did what he did to save her, that she could have saved him. That she should have.

#this isn’t a new thought #like I’m p much just stating what happened in the game #this is not some super deep meta analysis of tlou #it’s just. #Ellie’s relationship to autonomy is so so so good #ellie the last of us #joel the last of us #ellie williams #joel miller #tlou series #tlou show #tlou1 #tlou spoilers #tlou analysis #I have SO MANY drafts that are like. walls of text #we’re talking Great Wall of China long #tlou2 #marlene the last of us #marlene tlou #basically what I said in previous posts about how ellie picked up Joel’s stoic attitude and emotional constipation. #ellie’s screams lolol. my heart breaking in real time. #joel goes golfing HD!!! #the way her voice breaks as she begs… OWIE #Neil druckmann needs to pay for my therapy fr!! #I edited this because it had some… really bad grammatical errors #syntax??? what’s that???? #anyway normally I don’t put much thought or effort into my actual wording of Tumblr posts #because like maybe 10 people will see it. who cares. #but this one is one I actually care a bit about and this whole thing could be written about in so much more depth. #so I went in and tried to clean it up a bit and added some thoughts.

[booksandpaperss]

Ok so this amazing video edit about the possible foreshadowing from s4 of Mike getting vecna’d in s5 got me thinking:

During the realization scene at the end of s4 episode 3, where Max and co realize Vecna is targeting her; there’s a brief flashback of her getting a random nosebleed in class (the clip is also in the video I linked, go watch if you haven’t yet and then come back to this post lol)

It’s in a classroom while a lesson is in progress, so there should probably be extras at the edge of the shot right?

Wrong. The camera focuses solely on Max and her nosebleed, she’s front and center, which makes sense… except wait, there’s one other person the camera briefly pans over to right before it cuts to a different scene-

-And would ya look at who it is:

Think about it: doesn’t it feel kind of out of place for a scene about Max having symptoms of vecna’s curse to randomly add Mike of all people sharing the center of the shot, and to take extra camera time to pan over to him deliberately turning around to notice Max?

Because the more *I* think about it, the more I realize that it has to mean something; they could’ve just as easily have had only Max and her nosebleed in the shot, and the flashback would’ve still accomplished the immediate point that was trying to be made, or they could’ve even just put some random extra off to the side of the shot turning to look over if they were just trying to emphasize Max’s off behavior, but instead they put Mike in the scene: another main character that seemingly has no direct connection to this whole Max situation. Not only that, but they took extra time panning the shot over to draw our attention to Mike looking over at Max!!

Why do that?? This is film, everything we see onscreen is deliberately set up exactly the way the producers want the audience to see it. They *chose* to put Mike in a Vecna related scene (and right in the center of it with Max! Who is literally getting vecna’d!!) that plot wise he had no relevance to. And especially with Stranger Things, if a clearly deliberate choice feels random or slightly out of place, it’s almost always because it’s being used to hint at or communicate something else going on beyond what a scene or a dialogue line appears to be at surface level.

Not to mention that Mike and Max are literally the same person in two different fonts 👀

So, in conclusion: Mike is fucked and he better start running bc all signs point to him being a target in season 5, and I’m honestly so excited bc we’ll FINALLY GET TO SEE INSIDE HIS BRAIN AND KNOW WHAT HE’S THINKING

#I haven’t seen anyone else talk about this yet which is insane bc it’s RIGHT THERE AHHH #vecna’s gonna out Mike to himself I’m sure of it #it’s giving dirty secret scene from IT #Will ur bf is in danger come quick- #byler #mike wheeler #mike gets vecna'd #stranger things 5 theory #stranger things analysis #mike wheeler i know what you are #and so does vecna lmao #max mayfield #platonic madwheeler #i LOVE platonic madwheeler #elli talks mike wheeler

[eerna]

why don’t you like the second tlou game?

TLoU wasn't written with a sequel in mind and I will die on that hill. The story was meant to end exactly where the first game ends. If it ends there, it's a story about a girl who never had a parent and a man who slowly becomes her father, protecting her from everything, even the truth. People say Ellie's innocence dies with David, but I disagree- I think that Joel's final goal was to turn her back into a child, to shoulder all the responsibilities, and her "Okay" is her letting herself become a kid again, trusting his words of reassurance. She knows her dad is lying, but it's okay because it's not her problem anymore, she can just go and learn to live again while he is consumed by the truth. We don't know what their lives will look like from now on, but we hope it will be okay, because that's what the story is about - the hope that even after all the horrible things that can happen to you, you can still learn how to be okay again. It's a very ambiguous ending, while also being a very final dot at the end of a story, and that's super impressive to me!

But the sequel is like. No actually we DON'T like any kind of nuance or ambiguity, here's some CW-level writing about uhhhhhhh Ellie ending up completely alone and losing everything that ever made her happy. It is now a story about how Joel failed, how Ellie turned into a bitter, vengeful monster who chooses her own anger over her loved ones. It is like getting punched in the stomach for tens of hours, constantly forced to feel horrible about a story that used to be about hope. Maybe I would have enjoyed it if it wasn't about Ellie and Joel, since I do think there are some good beats, but as it stands I straight up can't even consider it canon. I'm not even mad at it, because it doesn't feel like it's a continuation of the same character arcs, themes or storylines.

#eernask #eernanon #eernask talk tlou #it's literally torture porn. oh so you like joel and ellie? would you be interested in a game about how much they suffer? #the fucking fingers still make me so mad. i said i am not mad but the truth is that the one thing i am mad about are the fingers.

[bulbabutt]

no offence to people who genuinely enjoyed james somerton and feel cheated but you could kind of tell he didnt give a shit about anything he ever said. there was no passion or personable anecdotes in anything he ever made, and the fact he was constantly posting videos was crazy. like if you watch your more popular video essayists theyre always coming from a point of 1) education in a field 2) passion in a subject and 3) being open about themselves

like , this man hopped on the video essay train because of the popularity of his peers and just tokened himself into "the gay video essayist" as if so many other people werent already doing that? and the lack of care for intersectionality was obvious. i stopped ever watching him after he took it personally that some marvel show was about black exploitation in america and not about two men kissing each other, cuz it became abundantly clear that was the only experience he gave a shit about (his own)

#idk im GENUINELY not trying to be rude im just saying be sus of people who dont put themselves in their work #like i remember lindsay ellis and dan olsen talking about their film school experience and then you look at their work and its like oh yeah #i see how this is their work because they know what theyre talking about and they enjoy it #and you can look at like quinton reviews or jenny nicholson deep diving into media for hours and its like theyre taking you on a journey #and you feel like youre watching them go crazy but steering the ship in a way only they can #or theres people like princess weekes who bring up their own experiences watching queer media and where they were at the time #she once was like “yeah i made i kissed a girl amv disney crossovers” LEADING ME TO REALIZE ID SEEN SAID VIDEOS 15 YRS AGO............ #cuz i was subbed to her and she introduced me to all the things she said and we have a mutual queer experience from that kinda source lmao #anyway you can tell these people put themselves in their work! #and when it came to james that was just never there because nothing he ever said WAS his own experience #it was always money to him not passion or experience or community #idk this might be a nothing post but ive been thinking about it since watching the hbomb video

[rassvetsky]

worst thing about tlou is that it shows how fatherhood is often times a choice more than anything else. some fathers decide to abandon their child, not knowing or caring that they'll grow up to not trust anybody because they had to go through that disappointment when they were too young to be dealing with such stuff, or to involuntarily look for a father figure in somebody else. when i look at joel, there's nothing but respect in me because he's everything i would've wanted in a father back when i was a child.

#i cried so hard playing the game and now crying so hard watching the show #some things never change i guess #to all my internet friends whom i haven't even met #it's not your fault #you're beautiful and you deserved better #cherish the child in you #and feel free to hop on my dms if you need to talk about it #i'm here for you <3 #tlou #tlou hbo #the last of us #the last of us hbo #joel miller #ellie williams #pedro pascal #bella ramsey #tw daddy issues

[whenthegoldrays]

The theme of episode 6 really floored me. How long can a secret remain a secret before it becomes a lie? (Spoilers incoming!) Woo-hak had previously been just as confused as Mok-ha, and possibly more than her, so any theory of his being Ki-ho wasn't a lie, simply a mistake. Bogeol, on the other hand, knew the truth all along and kept it under wraps because it was a secret. He hadn't had to lie and say he wasn't Ki-ho because no one was asking. Mok-ha asking questions and Woo-hak learning the truth in episode 6 makes liars out of them all — he tells Mok-ha that Ki-ho is married (a lie) and Ms. Song tells Mok-ha to be a hairdresser instead of a singer (lying about her intentions).

And yet these lies are somewhat justified in that they're being told for the safety of Mok-ha and the family. But how long can these innocent lies remain innocent, spoken under the intention of keeping a secret, before they become unforgivable? I'd say that Mok-ha deserves to know the truth, especially now that it's not just a matter of knowing, but that her career and future could be actively shaped by Ms. Song's advice.

#i don't know if this makes sense #I may make a more coherent version of this post later on #I just had a string of thoughts about this #the way that woo-hak learning the truth about the past forced him to become a liar in the name of his family's safety #also the fact that mok-ha began doing ran-joo's singing as a one time thing to save face and then it quickly became a national lie complete #with high stakes and blackmail #oh what a tangled web we weave etc etc #I had a whole other half of this post talking about how the lies in this show are much more forgivable than the lies in start-up but #the post was getting too long and I don't want to drag that show into every post I make about this show #castaway diva #castaway diva spoilers #kdrama #elly's posts