Hi hello I’ve been rotating ur hunger au around for a month it’s soooo good! but one thing I just keep wondering is like, what if grian hadn’t been found out until later in the games, say after secret life? Considering that would also be farther along in Hermitcraft season 9, after the crossover and buttercups, would anything significant change in litd ?
OH GODS OUGH...... well okay lemme put it this way. Pov you find out one of your closest friends whom you deeply trust has been highkey using and manipulating you for YEARS and is the reason for a huge chunk of your horrific trauma. And didnt say anything about it, didnt try to do damage control or come clean, just accepted that this would fuck you up beyond belief and kept doing it because it meant they could keep living. Like..... listen Grian coming back after doing this thrice is already a difficult enough sell, but 5 times????? Holy shit forget it i think AT BEST he'd get like. MAYBE Scar and Mumbo and Pearl to help him. And even then I dont know if they'd be willing to stick around for a very long time. Scar, maybe, bc i think hes insane especially about Grian, but everyone else??? Jesus. Genuinely not fuckin sure
I think thered be a lot more RAGE than there is rn, and a lot more bitterness, which sure is saying something since theres plenty of that to go around in canon as it is. Absolutely fucked end tbh i dont think thered be a huge chance for Grian to ever go back not even years and years later like in ia au. Even in the face of him dying. Idk i just cant see the hermits letting him back in or wanting anything to do with him on the whole after fucking up that badly, yknow???
Three times kinda hits that sweet spot to me, where its fucked up but it was spread out over years and Grian tried so fucking hard every single time to resist, so it makes sense that things are very difficult to get through when trying to mend fences but isnt impossible. But considering double life, limited life, AND secret life all took place within s9, i think that,, makes a huge difference in how things would go, tbh. My headcanon for the au is that each "season" takes place over a few years, but even by that timeline thats still three major fuck ups in a much shorter timespan, and not given the sorta,,,, bookending??? Ig??? Of taking place during separate seasons.
So uh, tldr; bad!! it would go so so bad. Idk what exactly would change majorly-wise but i think that betrayal would sting a LOT harsher than it does in canon (which is already pretty strong) and Grian's chances of getting help would be,,,, severely diminished, oughhhhgh
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Thought I'd throw our hat into the bin and share some of our personal Toh Collector/Archivists hcs and ideas into the void so if your interested take a looksee behind the cut away!
Heya! Happy to see ya reading more! Makes me happy that someone wants to read my silly little thoughts on the funky whimsy space cherubs. :3 please keep in mind that this is a work in progress still so things might change or be renamed down the line if I feel like it.
Anyhoo! Onto my Archivists!
...or rather, my Conservators!
Right that might be a bit weird to say so let me explain: Archivists and Conservators are one in the same, they're the same race and have the same powers the two differences between them are:
Their Ideologies
The way in which they use their powers
Archivists chronicle and preserve history, creatures, and restore the past to the best of their abilities. They're kinda like archeologists in my mind.
However, somewhere down the line instead of saving what was left of dying worlds and civilizations on the brink of extinction, or discovering and studying lost cultures and people's to keep them alive long after they're gone and share with other worlds; they began to 'preemptively' preserve any world they came across. At first it was just, 'oh no there was a massive natural disaster, we should save a few species before something happens again' or 'this empire has fallen into chaos and many stories and cities are being burned, we should step in' to 'it would be best to just archive them now before they have a chance to destroy themselves, it's for their own good.'
This thought process led to Archivists becoming more like what Collector implies, hunting down titans out of fear and unwarranted precautions, burning whatever doesn't fit their carefully curated archives instead of chronicling everything, good or bad, for the good of knowledge. Ironically kinda mimicking the civilizations they've studied in the past.
Some Archivist did not agree with this mindset, or thought it was too extreme so a separate group was made: Conservators.
Conservators are as the name implies; a curator and protector of a collection. Their goal is more inline with conservation, more akin to a wildlife reserve. They tend to protect and nourish dying solar systems and planets. Unlike Archivists who go from world to world, Conservators will stay in more place for much longer periods in order to watch over their domains. They observe passively and maintain a bit of control over their worlds in order to ensure their preservation. Because they often take the place of a sun or a moon, they are seen as gods and depending on the Conservator, directly intervene with the civilizations or nature.
Some are more controlling and obsessive, almost micromanaging their systems to entire their survival, others watch from afar and rarely, if at all, interact with their denizens, however they will all step in if something threatens the survival of the entire planet. Some Conservators will only do this if it's a mass extinction event, others if a single empire collapses. It all depends whether or not the Conservator deems it a threat to their personal preference.
Conservators are less organized/unison in beliefs, and less collaborative than their Archivist counterparts. They tend to argue and get territorial over their domains, and are usually loners or work in small groups if need be. Because they are much newer (comparatively) to the Archivist faction, theyre in the minority and less influential. However, because of their support and protection of their domains they tend to be more powerful as individuals than Archivists do, who thrive on collaboration.
Despite their differences, Archivists and Conservators rarely fight between each other and often coexist within the same clusters. Although they split apart into their own clusters, (siblings/families/friend groups etc, they do not follow human conventions they are just groups of closely connected Collectors) all Collectors inherently have the instinct to protect, group up with, or side with their own kind. Putting aside difference towards a common goal: to gather knowledge and preserve history.
With a few rare exceptions I'll get into later, they seldom fight between clusters.
Clusters are groups of Collectors that share a close bond or are otherwise connected. They are identified by their naming schemes, for example;
Conservator Cerulean Sun's Cluster consists of: Archivist Vermillion Rain, Conservator Planet Chartreuse, Conservator Veridian Dawn (Binary Stars with Chartreuse), Archivist Maroon Moon, Archivist Fuchsia Typhoon, Archivist Magenta Twilight (Binary Stars with Fuchsia)
Ceruleans's cluster chooses names after colors, but if a member ever chose to leave the cluster or change their role their name would change. (i.e. Cerulean Star becoming Sun)
Collectors can change their appearance and powerset if they wish, but it often takes a long time to complete the process as they have to train themselves each time.
Another example of a cluster with a different naming convention would be Harvest Moon's Cluster: Archivist Winter's Dawn (Binary Stars with Harvest Moon), Archivist Morning Star (Binary Stars with Dying Dusk), Conservator Blooming Sun, Conservator Gatherer's Equinox, Conservator Dying Dusk, Endless Cosmos (not affiliated too strongly with either group) they name themselves over concepts or seasons.
(Binary Stars are Collectors with closely resonating energies and magic. Usually created at the same time, or they find each other later in life as if destined by fate. When one dies, they cannot reincarnate until the other does to full recuperate their shared power)
Collector's Cluster/Siblings consist of entirely Archivists; Carbon North, Indium East, Bromine South, Gallium West (names may change down the line, however they instead of celestial objects or weather, or the day night cycle, they follow the four cardinal directions)
The naming convention of each Cluster is entirely unique to the culture and traditions of the cluster. Most Clusters formed long ago and any new members quickly assimilate into taking after the appearance of their fellow members. Hence why all of Ceruleans's cluster are much more colorful than Harvest Moon's.
Now onto some juicer stuff! Still with me..?
Good! Let's keep going!
For my Collectors, none of them were ever children. They are simply born like stars after a long accumulation of magic and cosmic energy fully grown; or at least, like young adults or from proto star to sun, supergiant or dwarf levels.
I was inspired by an adorable toh comic where King asks where Collector's come from, who replies with getting a wish granted from the tree of life (link here), and a concept in Drakengard 3 where dragons get a single wish upon death, usually using it to reincarnate.
So! When first born, they are called Collectors, simply collecting and learning from their older Cluster members. Often taking after the Archivists or Conservators they closely resonate with. They gain a magic affinity for day, night, stars, suns, etc along with a name befitting their Cluster's naming convention. But they're never young children, when they die from taking too much damage or using too much magic, Collector's use their one wish to reincarnate. However, it isn't limited only to reincarnation.
Here's where Harvest Moon and Cerulean Sun come into play for my au/hcs. Two Conservators who were bound to a dying solar system. It's star dying, Cerulean became a Sun and took it's place, preserving and reinvigorating life. Harvest Moon replacing a broken moon and fixing the gravity and tidal waves on one of the planets. However, despite how close they were they couldn't meet due to the distance and their responsibilities. But they would play verbal games together, or tell each other stories and send each other gifts. They fell in love but could never meet.
Both harbored a great love for mortal life and art. They bonded and often doted on their shared solar system like parents, wishing to take part in having families like mortals and be close to each other. So one day they came up with an idea that would have definitely been resisted by their Clusters and especially Harvest Moon's binary star Winter's Dawn.
Desperately wanting to be together and have a child/family of their own they decided to share their final wish, for Harvest Moon's it was to fuse and become one with Cerulean Sun. Ceruleans's wish was to have a child who could grow and experience life, with Harvest Moon. Creating the Collector we know and love.
Cerulean is already a powerful magic using Blue Sun, mixed with Harvest Moon's skill and durability gave Collector a stronger boost in magic despite his young age compared to other Collectors his age.
There is much more to this, including the effect this had on Winter's Dawn, or how terrifying Endless Cosmos, Dying Dusk, and Morning Star are. Or how The Collector became apart of his own Cluster with the Cardinal Directions. But I think I'll get into that another day ✌️
Thanks for reading if you got this far! This was fun to write out to flesh out some ideas I've had. Def want to expand and potentially rework some of this. But until next time, until then I'll be drawing out some overcomplicated designs. 💙
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