Stephen McCauley: It seemed to really change the dynamic of the band when you joined because the lineup had changed quite frequently in the years leading up to that but when you joined, that seemed to lock something in place. Why do you think that was?
Michael Shuman: Good people. It's not just about the music, it's about being around people that you love and that you want to spend time with. So I think, Josh being our leader, realized he wanted to put this thing together and he found the right pieces. Cause we're like a family, man. We vacation together, we hang out with our kids together, I don't have kids but I hang out with their kids. I think that's the most important part, I think that's why it's lasted so long.