#as most things in fanon are

[eleonkraken]

Other than it being bad, the ending of superantural has also fucked up my relationship to destiel fic because the only thing I wanna read now is widower era dean with cas coming back from the empty years after he died

There's just something so captivating about the idea of dean only figuring out cas was the love of his life and already functionally his partner after he dies and taking up a widower role in a new community with people who never knew any different.

and cas coming back only to realize that dean's whole perception of reality has shifted in the time he's been gone

I could chew on this premise forever

#and yes i still read destiel fic #i started watching spn in 2012 or something in order to be able to read and appreciate the fic #and the fic is still the thing i most appreciate #i also really love the 'if spn were as queer as it should have been' type fanons #supernatural #destiel #spn

[burr-ell]

I'll preface this by saying that I don't by any means begrudge anyone their own personal headcanons or interpretations, but I kinda have to get it off my chest that I'm personally not very comfortable with significant deviations from canon character design on CR, and I really tend to side-eye people who have declared their fanart to be "better".

And sure, some of that is because i'm a cranky old bastard. But some of that is that I also have an animation degree and have studied character design. Creators generally give artists a fair amount of input as to how they want their designs to connote the characters' personalities—not just in terms of clothing or hairstyle, but in the overall shape of the silhouettes and body structures. And in the case of CR in particular, that's coming from a place of much closer familiarity with the characters because the creator is actually going to be embodying them for a fairly long period of time, so when the fan response is heavy deviation from that, I think it can feed into some unhealthy fanon perceptions and projections.

Like, for example, it's not so much that I think fanartists are "disrespecting the creators" or whatever when they keep giving Imogen a sweet little round face and big hips/breasts and cute circular glasses, but I've also studied shape language in art. You're communicating something when you design her this way; if a character's silhouette has a lot of circles, visually that connotes being friendly, sweet, and cute. The person who first suggested drawing her with glasses explicitly said they thought it would look cute—and no shade to them! They can like whatever they want!

But canonically, Imogen is a woman in her 20s who's been dealing with unanswered questions, abandonment, loneliness, and sheer exhaustion from trying to hold back and control powers that she never asked for—and who simultaneously uses those powers even when it isn't necessary if she thinks it'll help her achieve a goal or prove a point. She isn't unfriendly, and she wants to do the right thing, but she's also someone who's consciously chosen to keep to herself for most of her life, and yet simultaneously she's quite adept at persuading and deceiving people. I think we're meant to pick up that sense of world-weariness and cynicism from her angular facial features and thin frame. That's...kind of just how character design works.

I think the trend of disregarding the official art and giving her softer features has had an impact on the perception of Imogen as a character. I see a lot of views of her that really remove a lot of her agency, treating her like she's only ever been a victim of circumstance who's never put a foot wrong. Some fans got pushback for pointing out that it really wasn't cool for Imogen to openly contemplate whether or not the Ruby Vanguard might be right in front of three people who were killed by Otohan, insisting that imogen was just dealing with a lot right then. And yes, she was, but that doesn't mean that the way she was dealing with it doesn't say something about her as a character. I don't know if I'd call it coddling, necessarily (even though perhaps there are some very coddling takes I just haven't seen), but there seems to be some resistance, in some circles, to the idea that Imogen isn't a put-upon martyr. And in those same circles, round friendly-looking glasses-wearing Imogen abounds, to the point of editing the official art itself to "fix it".

Truth be told I'd be willing to bet that the rounder cuter Imogen actually came about because of the initial impression of her, given how much fanon at the start of c3 revolved around poor baby Imogen with her scary nightmares needing the wiser, worldlier Laudna to comfort her and kiss it better, but those visuals also proliferated rather quickly and well beyond past the point where that fanon was feasible anymore, and I think both aspects of that fanon ended up informing each other. It's not lost on me that the rounder and cuter-looking Imogen performs the literal function of sanding down her harder edges.

And like I said, I'm not here to be needlessly negative toward what other people want to do. If you want to draw the characters differently to their official art, I don't think either the cast or the artist are especially offended by it. But I personally dislike it, in part because I think some of these trends are a way for fans to claim a certain amount of ownership over the characters, whether they intend it or not. And the ultimate outcome of that is that when creators inevitably assert their ownership over a deeply personal story in a way that fans don't like, the backlash is much stronger than it reasonably should be, which is something I think the CR fandom has seen often enough not to continue doing as often as it does.

#cr meta #critical role #cr discourse #cr wank #i think chubby jester vs skinny jester also falls into this #and don't get me wrong i 100% support representation of body types and the cast does too #but there's a certain amount of overlap between chubby jester and weird fanwanky c2 stans #it's. usually the folks who cling to fanon art interpretations who get the most angry at the cast when things don't go their way #like i don't have StatsTM or whatever to prove it but i've noticed some trends #also it's always the female characters and particularly laura bailey's characters who get hit with this attitude the most #like! just say you don't like a call laura made! i promise you no one's gonna call 911!

[thegoldenappleofdiscord]

love how the fandom collectively reimagined drew's character. recently had a cousin of mine pick up the lost hero, and she told me, "reese, i don't get how you like drew. she's so mean to piper." and i kind of sat there for a moment trying to reorganize canon from fanon.

#dearest cousin i regret to inform u that fanon is in fact not canon #drew had so much potential omg #bitter over silena's betrayal and being unable to forgive her the way the rest of her cabin did #and consequently despising her siblings for being so quick to forgive #having to take over a position as head counselor that she probably never wanted #did her cabinmates invalidate her bitterness? say that she had to forgive selena because of the circumstances? #i think the aphrodite cabin is the most family oriented of them all #after the war they probably tried to keep things together #and drew was the outlier in that because she wasn't quite so willing to forgive and forget #maybe other aphrodite campers thought the same but were too afraid to voice their opinions because they wanted to keep their family togethe #anyway IGNORE MY RAMBLING ODHGDOGDG #i just really like drew. can u tell. #drew tanaka #aphrodite cabin #cabin 10 #silena beauregard #percy jackson and the heroes of olympus #percy jackson and the olympians #the lost hero #the last olympian #pjo #hoo #rrverse #riordanverse

[weatheredcopper]

Scott or Shubble for the fanon vs canon ask game

i went with wc!scott :)))

#i went off the official art mostly for fanon bc i feel like thats the basis for most designs #i like a lot of things abt it but... the skull placement... weirds me out #mcyt #witchcraft smp #wcsmp #scott smajor #jupiter's art tag

[angelsdean]

once again, thee only time dean is reckless with Baby is when he's fucking staring at cas for five minutes straight while driving

#saw some stupid drunk driving discourse (again!) and i just. fucking cannot #i'm sorry but. if you really think this man is driving drunk you don't understand dean at all #he's not putting his car at risk and he's not putting the lives of others at risk #his whole life motto is centered around saving people and he's literally so broken up every time he fails to save people #also half the things people 'cite' as proof that he'd drive drunk just show me ya'll don't know what being drunk means #dean drinking a beer out of the cooler with sam at the end of an ep before driving off is not being 'drunk' #you think dean is getting drunk off of one beer?? be serious. #also dean literally sleeping at a bar instead of getting behind the wheel is um wow not him driving drunk! #dean forgetting how to drive bc he's losing his memory and sam THINKING dean is drunk / hungover is ALSO not dean driving drunk. wow! #anyways. we literally never see dean do anything to suggest he drives drunk. but people sure to love to project #fr one of my most hated fanon dean things of recent times #vic.txt

[horse-head-farms]

okay since this is now on my mind

curious what other people think. pick based on whatever metric you want - most logical sense, most fun, one you’d want to see. we must decide as a community

#okay my thoughts on everyone here #yn or insert - most obvious answer. lots of fics and harem animes stereotypically are like this because everyone wants the characters #to fawn over them #xisuma - he is one of the first hermits and often considered the “leader” in fanon. he is also considered bitchless so would make this funn #grian - most shipped hermit in the fandom and the most popular #mumbo - based on user xbralis’ notes about this exact thing. i think he would find this universe horrifying #xb - the server’s babygirl all the men want him. he is a pretty princess and gets bitches #etho - everyone is in love with him people are obsessed he is already a harem anime protagonist #cleo - has great chemistry with literally every other hermit every cleo ship you can think of is epic. cleo is cool #joe hills - the tumblr sexyman requires no explanation #also unrelated but i think jevin would be written as a tsundere and gem would be written as a yandere #jevin voice “baka!” #hermitcraft #hermitshipping #hermitshipblr #hermitblr

[obessivedork]

Once again thinking about Preston adopting Danse under his wing as a favour to the Sole Survivor and the two of them becoming the best team in the Commonwealth almost instantly 😘👌 10/10 once they talk things out they're the best of friends

#I think it could fix both of them. Danse ALSO knows what it's like to fail and to watch horrors out of your control unfold #double so if the Sole Survivor blows up TBoS #So he could really help Preston with all that(tm). And Preston showing him the ropes of the Minutemen letting him do GOOD #letting him feel like he BELONGS again would obviously help him in return #I think it's a pretty common thing to have Danse join the Minutemen in fanon? But to me it's just. It makes SO MUCH SENSE #and it makes WAY more sense for Preston to be the one in opposed to Sole. Like Danse needs more than ONE person tethering him to life #And so does Preston! #They BOTH need a good and loyal friend! And yes they can potentially have Sole but they'd work so good together as friends! #(strictly platonic in MY mind because I don't have shippingbrain the way most on this webbed site do but I like ship interpritation too) #kat writing #fallout #fallout 4 #fo4 #paladin danse #preston garvey

[constellarcreator]

Personal take on teenage Razputin!!! 16 years old to be specific. I actually have an entire timeskip AU centered around him but heaven knows when I'll decide that Tumblr is ready for that mess lmao

#not maintagging this #psynauts fandom is cool about most things #but i cannot help being nervous when my ideas diverge so much from commonly accepted fanon stuff #be niceys to me. blease </3 #constellar art

[utilitycaster]

As a frequent "ugh, fanon," person it's not that I don't like non-canonical character designs or interpretations as a concept. I love unique and creative ideas about fictional characters that are informed by canon but diverge from it in interesting ways that build upon the original vision! I almost never see this in fanon.

#this is about a bunch of things but rn i'm thinking about halfling tails...uninteresting repetitive pointless and in conflict with canon #more generally i get that fanworks are derivative by nature and that's the point but there's similar and there's The Same. #like. my beef with fanon is not ultimately one of HOW DARE YOU DEVIATE FROM THE HOLY WRIT #it's that it's often dull and poorly executed by people who are gathering around a single kind of stupid headcanon #there are many great individual headcanons out there but they almost never make it to fanon status #bc fanon is not a garden of many new interesting ideas. it's a single dirty pink flamingo haphazardly stabbed into the lawn. #99% of the time canon was better bc it wasn't passed through a committee that stripped it of anything interesting and made it reproducible #anyway follow for more musing on how i believe that while capitalism has DEFINITELY made art worse social media also has #most of my favorite creators end up being the ones who are either very offline or at least have very hard boundaries #and most of my favorite fan creators are involved in fandom but are also fanon (derogatory) people

[erazonpo3]

canon v fanon is the trend/meme of the day ig and I've been musing about my characterisation of different pokemon characters because on one hand there's not very much to draw from in the games (the anime can be a bit hit or miss, the manga is, respectfully, licensed fanfiction) but it's also really fun to sort of read between the lines and build on limited foundations

but the thing about that is that the same foundations can still lead to very different and equally valid interpretations, and I'm honestly less concerned with "is this canon compliant?" and more "does this capture the character's essence and tell a compelling story with them?"

#cynthia is unique in that she has a lot more material than most other characters but it's also relatively consistent #i dont think enough ppl write malva for there to even /be/ a fanon but there's a lot of things i think ppl take at face value w her #that i dont necessarily buy bc she's still a very public figure who is good at masking. she's a news reporter not a gossip columnist #(*good at masking until she Isn’t) #similarly with diantha i enjoy the wholesome pure angel approach but she is also an actress who is going to put on the prettiest public fac #so i like the idea that internally she's more cynical than she lets on #i need to write the whole essay but im not in the headspace for it rn

[locusfandomtime]

I’ve been thinking lately about how the mlp fandom had “creepypasta” (or just generally weird and evil) versions of all the characters and had an extended universe where they were all fucked up but still friends and I think that’s so funny and I think the hermitcraft fandom should do that too.

Skulk/vex Cub, Geminislay, dungeon master Tango, vex Scar, Ren the King, demon Impulse, jungle Bdubs, Zedeath/evil scientist Zedaph, eldritch horror Keralis, fucked up watcher Grian, Beetlejhost, etc should all come together and torment people as best friends forever.

#thinking about what the versions for other hermits not mentioned here would be #stress: fae/potion maker. doc: s9/end of s8. etho: shade-e-es boss just for the vibes. #xb + hypno: similar to etho being horse head farms for the vibes maybe with hypnotist hypno and f+d xb #beef: that weird soul collecting thing he had going on in the magnus archives au / butcher / s8 alien #jevin: s8 green. cleo: s9 medusa. xisuma: maybe just default doomguy? iskall: assassin?? pearl: weirdass moon powers? #locus fandom time #hermitcraft #mcyt #hermitblr #everyone not mentioned i got nothing #not a helsmit thing. just the most messed up canon/fanon version of each hermit

[tariah23]

I rly don’t see how ppl be 20+ shipping kids anymore tbh… like, it’s so rampant and I don’t see the appeal to it anymore being as tho I’m in my late 20’s.

#I’m grown….. it always baffles me to see it like man I don’t care I don’t find joy in it anymore since I’m not a teenager #I just look at them and think they’re like my fake son… daughter nephew niece whatever lol #give me the struggling and mentally fucked up 20+ year old give me those middle age bitches man if I’m going to like a ship now anyway #like i don’t care about the romance between kids man it sucks that this is such a huge thing in most fandom spaces #not that I participate in said spaces since ppl are annoying and embarrassing #also very nasty #sns is diff tho like that’s a whole other thing 🪽 #sns is just a classic it’s legendary it transcends space and time it it- #I’m so glad that jjk is full of adults tho lmfaoo #one of Gege’s only W’s… especially impressive for a shounen #i like jjk outside of the goiji pairings too like I just genuinely enjoy it despite how awful it is now lol #again #I do think that ppl need to learn how to become more comfortable with enjoying media outside of shipping tho #like there’s nothing wrong with it obviously but I’m talking more like how tons of ppl only get into a new series for the sole purpose #of shipping instead of engaging with said media and the story that it’s trying to tell… #this is why fanon and wild insane hc’s usually get out of control too to the point where those who might be interested in checking out #a series might be deterred because they don’t even know what the show is about because the only stuff that ppl see about the thing is ship #stuff and like discourse #and the behavior of the fans… #these ppl be 30+ arguing with teenagers man it’s crazy to me #I just think there needs to be a balance lol #like still go crazy. Have fun and all but you get it #but anyway. with all that being said! Goiji stays winning in my heart 🚶🏾‍♀️ #rambling

[saym0-0]

so the mechs totally speak a pidgin language of all their native languages right. we can agree on this right. their accents are a horrific mashup of all their original ones too, to the point where every single word they say sounds heavily accented to a native speaker of the language that word came from, even if its the mech that was originally a native speaker of that language. does this make sense at all?? they're just a linguistic mess i think they deserve it

#nastya is just one of those people who never lose their accent #also fits in with my new-texan-sounds-like-someone-doing-a-horrible-southern-accent headcanon #because some words sound violently american #its very jarring #i think they do have those universal translator brain things and that makes it sound like they have a recognisable accent to the listener #<- why they mostly sound british to us #but they can turn them off and do frequently bc having a private language is very helpful in plots to take over the world #also they cant read each others native written languages for the most part. unless they're ivy #tbh i dont know how much of this is canon how much is widely accepted fanon and how much i made up #but we ball #the mechanisms #the mechs #mechs headcanons #language #ig #sayms mechs headcanons

[adelinamoteru]

at some point some of yall will have to admit to yourselves that the jason todd you like and have built up in fanon is not the jason todd that he actually is

inconsistent canon writing included, I have no idea where these povs on him are coming from if ur not actually meaning to do a disservice to his character

#jason todd #red hood #dcu #dc #we already know a third of dc writers do NAWT like jason #I’m prepared to deal with that but even when hes written by them its like?? #AT LEAST HES LIKE THAT BC THEY DONT LIKE HIM #but to say u like jason and include him in batfam and etc meanwhile the jason ur looking at couldnt even pass as a walmart version #hes not stupid hes not pit crazy hes not incompetent hes not only fucking angry all the time #actually u know what he is angry #but hes never let that affect his decisions to the extent that I see portrayed in fanon #I cannot dictate or police how people choose to create content for jason like thats smth they’re doing for free in their own free time #but its just so disappointing that I constantly see him getting watered down to the most consumer friendly version of himself #just so that he can fit into the world u want to create #he deserves better !! he deserves to be taken seriously as his OWN character and NOT just batman collateral #he deserves to exist on his own and be taken in as such #the things that happened to jason happened to jason happened to HIM #and the things jason did HE chose to do #to strip him of all of those characteristics so hes more palatable #or so he can have an easy transition into batfam #(which if anyone was to be honest with themselves would realize is not going to happen realistically in canon) #is boring and overdone and frankly should be easy to not do #its okay not to like jason as he is #but that IS who he is #and for goddamn good reasons #not me writing an essay in the tags

[takumishu]

I don't consider the anime canon in my reading of AA so I don't even think any interpretation of MVK being a stereotypical wife/child-beater is necessarily "unrealistic", whatever you think that word means — to me, it means that it's fairly reasonable to believe that any man prone to murder out of sheer pettiness or who's so obsessed with having control and having the last word in his day-to-day and professional life is not treating his kids right — but I do think it's just really boring. Fics written in that vein feel less like character-studies and more like excuses to woobify Edgeworth into becoming more of a pain receptacle you're supposed to feel sorry for rather than an actual character, which make them less likely to move me and more to get me to roll my eyes.

#send post #p: Fandom Commentary #c: MVK #Even if I don't consider the anime canon it still has a far more interesting take on MVK than most fanon does because there's a sort of #humanity to the guy that makes the terrible things he does stick out that much more and the contrast gets to you affectively a lot better #Also the anime remembers Edgeworth has a character and personality beyond Woobie Suffering and there's an interesting tension in the fact #that he admires and wants to emulate a man who committed an unforgivable crime towards him and his family and said man plays into it. #That being said I do not really like the anime's portrayal of Edgeworth that much but that's another issue entirely #Also I specify Edgeworth here in the post bc God Forbid anyone give the same attention to Franziska as an abuse victim. Lol.

[angelsdean]

seeing a post abt how sam's early seasons anger is justified given the circumstances of his life + childhood trauma, and the post itself was fine, but then there's tags / reactions where people (samgirls / deancrits) will apply such a double standard when it comes to dean expressing any form of anger. sam's anger is good and righteous and makes sense given the circumstance, but then they'll look at dean who has also experienced a traumatic childhood + the trauma of parentification + all the trauma from being trapped in a literal horror show + hell trauma / michael possession trauma and think, "oh dean angry? dean yelling and not reacting properly to his compounding trauma? abuser! villain! controlling! bad guy!" like, everything they say to justify sam's anger and reactions to trauma also applies to dean. and why is it always a competition with samgirls / deancrits? sam does not have the monopoly on trauma / autonomy issues!! and if you think so you're really missing the point of this show. it's the trauma and autonomy issues show! it's the fighting for free will show! it's the, people trying to do their best in a world where it is far too easy to do your worst show! they all (dean, cas, sam, jack, etc) grapple with these issues and experience similar traumas. this isn't the trauma olympics show.

#the double standards with zero self-awareness is wild. like. they Really think dean had some kind of authority over sam huh? #they really think dean is some kind of controlling villain AS IF stubborn sammy would Ever do anything he didn't want to do #it's insulting to sam honestly. why do his fans want him to be the most pathetic baby of a character. fanon sam i don't know her #dean often expresses Opinions and Says what he Thinks they should do. sam very often Does Not do those things. #so like. is dean not allowed to express a single thought? is he such a big controlling meanie for disagreeing with sam? #for thinking he knows better? (which he often Does bc sam is very prone to acting impulsively damn the consequence) #anyways. stop acting like it's brother vs brother challenge 2k23. like what are you chuck? #vic.txt