#c!dream crit

[flamedoesart]

I am very funny.

#meme #dsmp crit #c!dream crit

[piningpebbles]

just my quick two-cents on the ending but i thought some elements were really well done (c!jack’s feelings and bitterness, c!clingyduo getting to fight c!dream, c!sam’s reaction’s to dream’s death, c!punz’ reveal, etc.) but others (specifically the amnesia and kind of tone-deaf sudden sympathetic view of c!dream) were done really poorly. so while i really enjoyed some parts of it, and it’s always going to have that essence of the dream smp that i love so much, the ending (tommy’s last stream specifically) felt really cheap in terms of how it left the characters we’ve come to know so well.

here are some ideas i came up with for other ways i thought could’ve been cool for the ending to follow:

- tubbo and tommy kill dream. punz revives him but ends up turning on him and ultimately teaming with tommy and tubbo again but for real this time (though for his own reasons aside from just power). he doesn’t have to be a good guy, in fact this could’ve set him up to both get c!dream out of the picture and get punz into place as the major antagonist for the next chapter.

- tubbo and tommy kill dream. punz revives him, but this time tubbo and tommy run across the server telling everyone (if not everyone, just c!sam) that dream’s back and sam ends up working together with them to trap dream (and punz?) back in the prison. but just when sam’s ready to resign himself back to his own personal hell that is pandora’s vault, tubbo gets the idea to nuke the prison with the two still inside, where they all go to the nukes and find jack. jack and tommy argue, setting up jack as the current main antagonist for the next chapter as nothing is resolved between the two. and then sure enough, tommy, tubbo, sam, and jack all see the nukes blow up the prison.

- this one i actually thought was going to happen!! tubbo and tommy kill dream. punz revives him, and tommy plans to trap them both at the prison so tubbo can set off the nuke and kill them. the nuke is set to pandora’s vault. jack goes to the nukes, thinking tubbo’s on his side, and ends up targeting aiming the nukes towards tommy’s house/the hotel/bad and skeppy’s mansion. the explosion does reach the prison, but the impact only ends up killing dream and punz. tommy, tubbo, and jack then talk and help rebuilt whatever was caught the blast. if bad’s mansion is caught in the wreckage it’s a good building point for the egg to focus in for the next chapter.

#dream smp spoilers #tommyinnit #tubbo #jack manifold #dream smp #mcyt #just throwing some ideas around #i think sam should've seen the prison blow up <3 as a treat <3 #i'll just write the dsmp myself i think these were really fun to think about #rambling rocks #pebble post #// #mentioned: #character death #c!dream neg #c!dream crit #c!dream mention

[bigboobyhalo]

before the whole staged disc finale reveal it was like. c!dream was pathetic but he was pathetic in a cool fun way where he wanted to hold everyone’s beloved items (and in some cases, pets, and in one case, soulmate) hostage and use them to force everyone on the server to conform to his idea of a perfect happy community and like yeah that is a pathetic thing to do but it’s also a rlly cool concept. but the disc finale being staged completely SQUANDERED that cool idea and now c!dream’s just pathetic in a pathetic way to me. like what’s even his goal? torture some kid for kicks? motives unclear. get a hobby

#c!dream crit

[antimony-medusa]

Okay, here is a thing I have not heard other people mention. Maybe I’m in the wrong circles, I don’t know. Anyways. 

Dream’s goals— “big happy family server”— are much talked about in terms of whether that makes his actions okay. He’s going for this goal, does it make exile/war/attachments/prison understandable? Does it make it okay? Do the ends justify the means? Some say yes, some say no, the discourse wheel churns on.

The thing I have seen less talked about is that, from my point of view, Dream’s goal is still bad. I don’t care if the means that got you to the end were bad (I still care), I care that the end is Also Bad. 

I don’t know if this is just because I have a lot of friends who have had to go no-contact with siblings or parents after horrible things or what, but being forced to be in a family with someone you do not want to be family with is horrifying. 

If you say you want out, and your family doesn’t let you leave, that is a very bad thing. If you want out, you get to get out. This is basic boundaries. 

I don’t fucking care how “happy” you were before, if it’s over it’s over, and they let you go, or just the act of refusing to let you go is also abuse. Forced family is a nightmare. 

Anyways. 

#discourse #c!dream crit #cw abuse mention #fandom meta

[areus-in-a-little-cave]

philza minecraft the most based man of all time shout out to him for saying that c!dream would be satan’s favourite character and laughing at c!dream apologists crying in his chat

#areus rambles #c!dream neg #c!dream crit

[pigeonxp]

tbh i didnt watch any of the ending lore streams and idk if i am gonna watch them. based on reactions thus far idk if its worth it. i got my c!wilbur ending and i dont care abt c!dream AT ALL so what would i even be watching for lol

#dsmp #wilbur soot #c!wilbur #c!dream crit #anyway yall listen to peripheral vision by turnover #dsmp finale #dsmp lore

[tobi-smp]

I just feel like there's an inherent difference from tommy calling wilbur crazy while he watches his brother, his stability, spiral in front of him. desperate and scared, no idea how to help him, but wanting more than anything to Try, to never let go. trying to do anything to stop wilbur from hurting himself, from hurting anybody else, while wilbur actively tries to convince him that he's already too far gone to be helped. choosing wilbur again and again and again.

and technoblade calling wilbur crazy while actively agreeing with everything wilbur wanted to do. no qualms with him wanting to blow up the country or kill people just thinking he's being too mentally ill about it.

both of them were hurtful to wilbur undeniably, tommy probably more so even. but as the audience we should be able to recognize that these aren't on the same level or coming from the same place right.

#dream smp #wilbur soot #tommyinnit #crimeboys #this is probably c!techno crit but I'm not saying anything about cc!techno #a scared child that doesn't want his brother to kill himself just shouldn't be treated the same as whatever techno had going on

[mellorphic]

Thinking about how the way this fandom treats anger as a trauma response?

There’s the c!Tommy method - pretend it does not exist or pretend it’s the only trait he has

The c!Wilbur method - demonise and vilify him for it

Or the c!Niki method - turn it into a girlboss trait

#dream smp #dsmp #c!tommy #tommyinnit #c!wilbur #wilbur soot #c!niki #niki nihachu #fandom crit

[restnowyourhardshipisover]

It is so important that in the finale Punz becomes one of the first people to where Dream can see stand up to the people harassing him.

Tommy and Tubbo slaughter Dream for no reason then wander over to brag about it and Punz does not backtrack he does not hide. Fuck that shit.

And when Tommy starts hurling abuse at Dream? When Tommy refuses to listen, twists and mischaracterizes Dream's every word? Punz repeatedly stands up to him. He spends the entire encounter pointing out very explicitly what Tommy is doing and has been doing for years.

He stands up for someone whose been talked over, lied about and mischaracterized. Demonized as automatic matter of course. He does not give the person who hurt Dream space to continue unchallenged. He points out Tommy's lies. He doesn't force a guy defined by his struggle to overcome people that badger him with false words he has no answer for to stand alone in an argument.

Punz backs his friend, respects him and fights back. For the first time in recent memory, Dream is with someone who is not only on his side, but won't let Tommy continue to hurt Dream.

#dreblr #c!punz #c!dream #very mild tommy crit that is less crit and more just a description of his canonical behavior which people tend to neglect in fan analyisis #never take me seriously

[randomfansstuff]

i'll do it i'll fucking do it

#dream smp #dsmp #mcyt #wilbur soot #c!wilbur soot #c!tommy #c!niki crit

[aro-throughyourchest]

why does the dsmp fandom have such a black and white view of characters and if they don’t fit that criteria, they’re too complex of a character to enjoy and if they do but you like them, they’re Actually Not That Bad or Someone’s Lying and why are there like four people who actually fit the criteria of morally grey which just means Villain but Hot

c!tommy is either a hero or a villain, c!jack is either a tragic hero or a monster, c!sam is

do you see the picture

#dsmp #fandom crit #but it’s not as much a fandom crit as a thought piece #dream smp #a fandom crit in 2023 #yeah FINE this post was abt c!techno but did I not give you a LIST

[paranoid-spotlight-everest]

For the love of god.

Stuff you dislike ≠ problematic

You don't have to find a 'moral' reason why you dislike it, just ignore it and MOVE ON

"I think (ship) is abusive!" Well, people are enjoying it, putting their own spin on it, and you just don't see that. So long as they are not hurting and harassing any real people, just block them. It's not that hard.

When we are fans of media, we bring our own beliefs and experiences to the viewing. I first watched the Dsmp during the lore drought, and I had been influenced by c!clingyduo mains and L'manburg enjoyers. But through Halfy and Winks, Mellohi, and dreblr, I saw something new in c!dream's character and I absolutely love him now.

People have different ideas than you. That's okay, that's not problematic. The problem comes when you harass people for being'problematic.'

#fandom crit #lgbtq #dsmp #c!dream #dreblr #proshipping #proshipper #proship #that's all i can think of #add your own tags ig #perhaps #by bullying someone for enjoying themselves #you are being (gasp) problematic?! #i believe someone in the comments has missed my point...

[stemms]

As much as I’ve always admired the sheer creativity and kind attitude of the DSMP fandom, it’s nearly impossible to overlook the weird™ behaviour, regarding c!Primers in particular, and although it has been said countless times before me, I’d like to throw in my two cents. 

The uncomfortable and frankly gross phenomenon of Bowspam, coined by Poppytwt, which portrays a romantic and sexual relationship between c!Tommy and c!Dream, is the reason I made this post in the first place. Unfortunately, some content featuring c!Prime is rather predatory, which contradicts the original source and the whole point of their dynamic. For example, if you type “Discduo” in the Spotify search bar, you’ll most likely find multiple “Discduo / Bowspam” playlists instead, which is obviously very gross, and appears as if the latter was still normalised to some extent. As much as this tag is disturbing in general, the more details you learn about it, the more problematic it seems. 

Originally, Tadca was nothing but a collection of warnings, so that those who felt uncomfortable with abusive content, could simply block it, but Poppytwt claimed the tag, and that’s when things got actually weird™. It happened because some artists drew a couple of weird™ comics by pure accident, and it was used as a proof that all c!Prime enjoyers ship them. Andy never intended for Tadca to be twisted into something so heinous, and for this exact reason, he asked everyone to stop using the tag because of harassment, yet strangely enough, he was the one receiving harassment for something completely out of his control. Unfortunately, it wasn’t an exceptional case, as many other c!Prime enjoyers received death threats and harassment from c!Dream apologists, just for authentically depicting an abusive dynamic; pretending that c!Prime was paedophilic, and sending tons of harassment was easier than admitting that their fave wasn’t as good as they wanted to believe. Weirdly enough, Bowspam enjoyers never faced as much harassment as c!Primers, even though their content fully matched that definition. Plus, c!Trinity also received a good share of criticism because some people believed that it was a second wave of Tadca, except c!Punz got involved in it too. 

Furthermore, it’s important to note that the c!Prime dynamic offers real-life abuse victims a voice, and it’s utterly disrespectful to sexualise it, as it may discourage them from speaking out about their situation because of a fear of being misunderstood, due to constant victim blaming in the fandom, and a misconception that any kind of abuse outside of family, is sexual. Fiction does have an important impact on real life, and unfortunately, some people forget about that completely. We should also remember that while creating c!Prime content might help some people cope with trauma and is often inspired by their own experiences, some people still choose to be weird about it, which I find extremely disrespectful.

#dream smp #dsmp #c!primeboys #c!discduo #discduo #c!tommy #tommyinnit #c!dream #discourse #fandom critical #dsmp fandom crit #tw abuse #tw obsessive behavior #tw possessive behaviour

[transbeeduo]

Every time I think about the “canon” C!Ranboo ending for too long, I get SO sad actually.

I know I should be happy that him and Michael survived and are together and stuff right? But for Ranboo, is it really “living”? Is it living to be isolated in an environment that you aren’t built for, that you aren’t accustomed to? To know that almost everyone you know and love is either dead, doesn’t remember you, or exists somewhere where you’ll never see them again? To live, knowing that those people could’ve been saved, just as they had, but the only reason he’s alive is because a god decided that they should live, forcing him into a life that he really didn’t have a choice in. And what about Michael, who will grow up never really knowing his other father? Ranboo and The Nether will be all he ever knows, there’s no way he’ll remember Tubbo or Snowchester.

I know CC!Ranboo was kind of backed into a corner with making a good ending, but I just wish it was a bit happier? I wish C!Ranboo could’ve had a happier ending, instead of being forced into a life that really seems miserable for him, if you really think about it.

#dsmp crit #<- kinda #I do. not like the C!Ranboo finale very much if it’s not obvious. #it makes me sad I wanted them to have a happy ending so bad #and I guess we kinda??? got that??? but not really #c!ranboo #Ranboo #Michael DSMP #michael underscore beloved #michael beloved #DSMP lore #dsmp #dreamsmp #Dream smp #DSMPblr #mcyt #mcytblr #crunch’s bites

[bluest-of-bells]

Friendly reminder that dsmp's story is the one we see on screen, with the full context of playing minecraft and livestreaming.

There's no such thing as invisible citizens in the countries, or any other kind of "realistic" minecraft mechanics. Destroyed items is a matter of minutes to replace more often than not. Food and resources are abundent everywhere. Characters sometimes canonically watch vods. There are no lingering physical effects from death or injuries except those shown by changed skins or are actually discussed by the characters.

Those are all fun headcanons that are wonderful to see in fics and fanarts and AUs. I'm not saying to stop heaving fun.

Just remember to not conflate headcanons and other popular fanon with the canonical story. Especially when it comes to analysis.

#dsmp #fandom crit #ig #blue talks #this is true for basically all groups of apologists #so don't come at me with the c!tommy or c!dream apologists

[areus-in-a-little-cave]

🔪

🔪 - Which character, if any, would you want to die permanently?

hey c!dream CATCH

no but narratively I think he needs to die. like for so many other arcs as well as his own, he's gotta go.

he's a bit of a tragic character, not in the "ohh he could have gotten better :( but he died before he could" way but in the "ohh he could have gotten better :( but his own greed and need for control drove him to become a horrible person and eventually led to his death". that's fun and The Arc needs to be completed

#areus rambles #ask #ask box #thank you for the ask! #anon ask #ask game #c!dream neg #c!dream crit