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syncrovoid-presents · 4 months

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Alastor's Deal (Thoughts, Theories, and some Predictions)

This won't answer the who, but aims to dig into the why, and plausibly narrow down the terms of the deal. Long post ahead!

Evidence

First off, the finale was incredible! But what Alastor's song showed was that his ""death"" against Adam wasn't entirely a surprise, but rather planned. Alastor's song revealed that he was looking for a loop in the contract, a way to slip past the deal without having to directly break it. He already made a deal with Charlie for a favour, but that might have been a safety net of sorts, something to guarantee himself a fighting chance if his "dying for the hotel" plan failed.

His surprise was at how fast it happened, not that he nearly died. Alastor craves control, he wears his smile for control, he makes deals for control, his magic highly influenced by controlling others too. His Modus Operandi is control, and he faced the battle it started with him being in control. He was outwitting Adam, he was faster, sneakier, even kept his hands behind his back while dodging just to show how little effort it took. But Adam's weapon sending an angelic beam of power? That wasn't in his plan, that wasn't in his control.

Control is something Alastor seeks over everything, which is why the deal is so brutal for him. The deal takes control from him, and his constant smiling and jokes and contained urges for violence is him trying to have some sort of freedom. It's highly implied that, unless it's for the hotel, he hasn't used his magic for his own reasons. He hasn't eaten or killed anyone unless it is for the hotel, and even that was implied to happen only during the Mimzy incident. He hasn't gotten to make any deals either, at least no real deals, no deals for souls.

I'm far from the first one to say that his deal is forcing him to help the hotel, but it's only now that we see the true extent. Alastor's entire personality, goals, and being has been changed against his will. He is now a tool for the hotel, the sword and shield, the magical provider, bringing them whatever they need to succeed despite the odds. Without him, it would just be Charlie, Vaggie, and Angel Dust. Sir Pentious wouldn't have joined, repairs would've taken far longer, the staff would've been just Charlie and Vaggie, et cetera. Even his deals are just him trying to gain something out of helping the hotel.

Alastor is bound to the hotel and his powers are also bound to the hotel. He cannot be selfish, he cannot do anything unless it's for the hotel no matter how desperately he wants to do otherwise. And yet it seems like his powers are limited too.

Alastor has immense levels of powers, so much that he was taking down a large portion of the angel army single handedly. Had Adam not been there, it's not outlandish to claim that Alastor could have taken down the angel army by himself. This is why he was feared. This is why "no one crosses the radio demon". If these are his powers when their limited, imagine just how powerful he truly is?

The last evidence I'll state before moving on is that Alastor didn't return back to the hotel until it was rebuilt, yet still didn't use his magic to cause chaos.

To simplify, on his end the deal forces him to use his immense power for the benefit of the hotel. He cannot actively do anything to bring harm to it, and he cannot use his magic unless it's for the good of the hotel. And he cannot escape from the deal if the hotel is destroyed, so the deal isn't about the physical hotel, but rather the concept of it. As long as the hazbin hotel exists in the heart of those involved, Alastor is bound to help.

Why?

Now the why? I believe that, whoever he made the deal with him was, they want the hotel to succeed. Not only that, I believe that by forcing Alastor to stay there and help while limiting his capability for violence, they are also trying to rehabilitate Alastor.

Wherever Alastor was before the hotel opened, it was somewhere where he couldn't interact with anyone. He was forced to be gone, only until the hotel opened. If the theories of Alastor making a deal with Lilith is true, then Lilith's character is important to consider. From what we know she is powerful and worked to bring dekonkind together. And that she too disappeared 7 years ago.

It's confirmed that Alastor destroyed many of the worse evils that existed in hell, the only ancient overlords that remain are civil and take part of overlord meetings. They are controlled, contained. There's more structure, and the only truly out of control, dangerous demon to remain would have been Alastor. It's possible that Lilith realized that she could use him to "clean up hell", waiting her time until Alastor was the last remaining biggest threat. That was when she pounced, seven years ago to capture him in a deal. We don't know why he would accept such a limiting deal, but I'd wager that it could have been for his life (either she was threatening him, or he nearly died and made a deal for his life).

Now that the deal is made, Alastor can't bring mindless chaos. If anything he is doing the most to help demons be saved from the extermination either through redemption or protection (we also didn't see him prior to the last, so perhaps he's also bound to protect during the extermination too?).

All while Alastor is handling and ensuring the success of the largest and most helpful demon-centered support system, Lilith is on vacation. Almost like Alastor is acting in her role, a mimicry of a spiritual successor of sorts. He's helping rally the demons together, helping shape Charlie into a better leader, helping prove demons can be redeemed. All while Alastor is either witness, participant, or manager of the strategies used to redeem sinners. Alastor is only a few steps away from taking part of the redemption program himself.

If Alastor's deal was with Lilith, then she's getting everything she could want. All the uncontrollable evils/overlords destroyed, a muzzle on (one of the most) powerful sadistic demons, someone to help guide her daughter, help demons redeem themselves, protection for her citizens from being killed or further tortured, and she finally gets a vacation. She'd be getting everything she could want, with the bonus of possibly rehabilitating Alastor in the process.

It's no wonder Alastor is so desperate to break out of the deal, to find a backdoor in the contract. This goes against everything he stands for. The stories of him broadcasting screams? Of killing overloards and owning soul after soul after soul? That is the real him, and it isn't exaggerated. If Alastor wasn't chained, he'd have the power and strength to destroy large swaths of hell himself. If he decided to do his own extermination with angelic weapons? He could kill as many demons as the angels do and more, because he wouldn't be limited by a single day period.

If his deal is with someone else? We simply don't have enough information yet to name them then. Whoever it is, they would have to believe in demonkind's potential for improvement, and possibly fear what Alastor is able to do.

Predictions

The last thing I want to touch upon is how Alastor might be able to escape the deal. First is what he tried, which is "dying" for the hotel. Or, more precisely, for everyone involved in the hotel, it was as if he died, so why would they still depend on him?

Next would be for the hotel to be destroyed, and considering that we don't know if Alastor was briefly free while he recovered or if he was just hiding out somewhere new because he couldn't stay in the hotel because it didn't exist, this one is still iffy. If part of his deal is staying at the hotel to actively protect it, the he was temporarily freed from that condition. Yet once it was rebuilt Alastor returned, proving that the destruction of the hotel building wouldn't free him.

The next possible way could be the death of the hazbin hotel spirit. If Alastor (or outside forces) were able to destroy Charlie's hope for the hotel just like Lucifer's dreams were crushed, perhaps Alastor would be freed. Considering how the finale went, it would take a lot for this to happen.

My final idea, and the one I predict will happen, is that Alastor outfits the person he made the deal with. He doesn't find a true "out", but rather will manipulate them into giving his power back. And this? I believe that Alastor's deal with Charlie was made for this reason.

If indeed the deal was with Lilith, and part of the deal seems to be ensuring Charlie's dreams come true, then Charlie is a delightful way for Alastor to manipulate the situation. How? Who knows, but I think that this will be a large part of the conflict of season 2.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel spoilers #hazbin hotel theory #hazbin hotel alastor #alastor the radio demon #alastor hazbin hotel #alastor #hazbin hotel charlie #hazbin hotel lilith #syncrovoid.txt #i have SO many thoughts after watching the finale but these are my biggest ones!#Alastor is a fascinating character and its wonderful to have evidence that Alastor's whole characyer isn't just manipulating #the hazbin group but also manipulating the audience into viewing him as helpful and less dangerous #he makes us forget that Alastor thives off violence. he couldn't stop himself from laughing while fighting Adam #and took great joy in destroying the loan shark gang #had we saw him I'm sure we would have seen him thrilled to kill so many angels too #even if the deal forces him to help the hotel he didn't lie about finding entertainment in other's failing and ruining themselves #and yet despite this it's so very very hars Not to root for him #his desperation to be free of the deal is palpable and so raw that you want him to be free #even if that could lead to suh ruin and destruction and many many heaps of angst #how can i NOT analyze the finale to hell and back (pun on purpose)#anywho!!

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patovpran · 5 months

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But that doesn't matter. We're all on the same team here.

#and he looks thrilled about it!#no but fr the change in his tone when he said it #and then playing it off after #charlie nailed it #percy jackson #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #moji gifovi

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rainyday-deer · 1 year

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❌Do not repost!

Yeah. That's probably it. (And Niss was defs squinky.)

The instance of their death is a mix of Arackniss and Angel's old deaths, and the death we were given for Angel most recently! Obvs it's just speculation on my part.

#Hazbin Hotel #Charlie Morningstar #Angel Dust #Arackniss #Mo's art #;;Hazbin Hotel #Sweet and Sour #Apple Princess #Their old death was super interesting to me!! bc they died together but they were responsible for killing each other too #and while I know Arackniss was crushed by a crate I'm not sure if it was ever revealed HOW it was Angel's fault at the time #So I kinda smushed it together here as an Accident bc Angel got too high-- And since Niss was dead #Angel followed soon after with his 'OD' death mentioned in the Addict video #I really wanted to drive home that Arackniss HATES that he died the way he did #esp since in older art--which is all i have to go off of for him- he hated being a demon and blamed angel for it #whereas Angel was thrilled with the way things were after the fact #all this to say is that I think people should give Niss reasons to hate his siblings outside of 'Oh he's just like his dad :)'

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facelessurgeons · 11 months

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here they are, guys sentenced to the art fight

#alright you know the drill #in order #alex (oc)#clyde (oc)#bug (oc)#ducky (oc)#avery (oc)#marlo (oc)#odessa (oc)#the hostess (oc)#the host (oc)#kyrie (oc)#charlie (oc)#eb (oc)#and eb the thrilling sequel #dog headworld #body horror cw #nerds will come back next year maybes

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lightscamerabitchsmileee · 4 months

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Vote for your fave, reblog & share your thoughts and other faves (even outside of this list) in the tags I would love to hear it 😊😊

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charliethomascoxuniverse · 11 months

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💕 Charlie Cox as Ishmael 💕

Moby Dick (2011) Pt XXVI ~

"Meanwhile, all the boats tore on...It was a sight full of quick wonder and awe! The vast swells of the omnipotent sea; the surging, hollow roar they made, as they rolled along the eight gunwales, like gigantic bowls in a boundless bowling-green; the brief suspended agony of the boat, as it would tip for an instant on the knife-like edge of the sharper waves, that almost seemed threatening to cut it in two; ...—all these, with the cries of the headsmen and harpooneers, and the shuddering gasps of the oarsmen, with the wondrous sight of the ivory Pequod bearing down upon her boats with outstretched sails, like a wild hen after her screaming brood;—all this was thrilling." (MD, Ch 48)

#the Pequod gang and the thrill of the hunt 😎💗#RIP the poor whale though 🙏#Ishmael #Starbuck #Queequeg #charlie cox #ethan hawke #raoul max trujillo #moby dick 2011 #moby dick #herman melville #whale weekly #baby charlie #screencaps

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charlie-artlie · 9 months

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opinions on cassidy five nights at freddies and the golden duo theory

anon do you realize you’ve asked me about my favorite topic?

TLDR, i dont like either of these theories! but i love talking about them, and if you WOULD like to read about it, i will ramble at length under the cut

so I’ve already spoken at length about my issues with the cassidy theory but here’s a quick rundown:

if shes real, she is one of the most important characters in the entire series and we know literally nothing about her. her name was gotten from a cypher in a word search, and her popular fanon design was just a random kid on the same page (or a different page that was also cassidy relevant? idk) (also also, i have seen a great theory that midnight motorist is actually about cassidy, and honestly id love it if that were true and this was hidden cassidy lore all along, but the character is only referred to with he/him pronouns, which leads to my next issue)

every character that refers to her uses male pronouns. the only argument i could see for this is retcon, because im not going to argue with people that republican scott cawthon made a character named cassidy with he/him pronouns. this would have to mean that sometime between the security log book and UCN scott changed cassidy into a completely new character, which to me, is a much bigger leap than the retcon from “SAVE HIM” to charlie, but, thats just me :/

her name was removed from princess quest, which signifies to me that she is not supposed to represent the princess in that game. steel wool has hidden lots of easter eggs and lore hints in the code, but to my knowledge the only one they’ve removed is the princesses name as cassidy (renaming her just ‘princess’ i believe). imo, it makes more sense if the princess represents vanessa, seeing as they follow the same path, both collect the vanny mask, both get trapped by glitchtrap, beating the game frees vanessa, etc etc etc

my honest opinion? everything she represents in the story would be better served to a pre-established character. i KNOW im biased as a charlie stan, but literally why isn’t TOYSNHK charlie? shes already established as having more control and awareness than the other spirits and likely was the only one who personally KNEW afton when she was alive, giving her even more motive to hate him. or even CC would make more sense! arguably the very first child to die to an animatronic, narratively, it’d make way more sense for it to be him. hes been stewing in agony and remnant for decades, seeing everything his father does, the one character who ACTUALLY has a connection to the golden freddy suit, and! now that we have a slightly more concrete answer to the fnaf 4 cameras from sister location, could actually be counted as one of his fathers victims!

okay, now with that out of the way, onto why i specifically dont like the golden duo theory, because, here’s the thing, even if I could accept cassidy as a Thing in the franchise (which i can! she’s been acknowledged by scott so I have to accept that shes at least real in some capacity [cassacity]) i STILL have issues with the golden duo theory for different reasons

the first and biggest reason is simply that CC is a hugely lore relevant character, who has an actual backstory, a tie to the main villain and the main protagonist (if you consider michael the protagonist, which i personally do), and makes narrative sense to possess golden freddy (the animatronic that killed him, not to mention his father possesses its counterpart, i mean come ON that is just a delicious parallel!!) cassidy, meanwhile, is a name you can find in a word search. and thats pretty much it. (not counting the yandere simulator chica mini game as actual cassidy lore. im literally just saying no. you cant make me.) im sorry, but it just cheapens CCs role in the story. there is literally no point in making him share golden freddy

its just not present in the games at all. there was every opportunity in UCN to hint/tease/confirm this but none of those things were done. the ONLY thing i’ll grant is that “The One You Should Not Have Killed” and “The Vengeful Spirit” COULD MAYBE be different characters, but why would they be? that sounds like two similar descriptions of the same character to me, personally.

the only evidence for it in the books is that, if you ALREADY believe that cassidy and CC are both possessing golden freddy, you can then reverse engineer that theory into “cassidy is TOYSNHK” by saying its a parallel to the stitchwraith plot line. feels more likely to me that TOYSNHK was originally just going to be andrew from the books? i just dont see how any of this actually ties to cassidy

the security log book. i hate the stupid security log book. everything in it is so arbitrary but its also the lynchpin for major fanon accepted theories. sorry but the “two spirits are talking to each other and also michael i guess” just doesnt hold water for me. why is the dialog on random pages out of order, and why does some of it not even line up with each other. the logbook honestly made more sense to me when the theory was bite victim=michael, the way it is now just seems like people deciding it means whatever they want it to mean

okay now this one is a little more nitpicky but im including it anyway (this is again more of problem with cassidy in general but stay with me) including cassidy in the missing children incident would mean we have five missing kids (cassidy, fritz, jeremy, gabriel, and susie), and then separate from that incident i guess, is charlie, and then also separate from that incident is CCs death, so seven dead kids in total (ignoring elizabeth since shes at SL, and also the “second missing children incident”, which is another theory i dislike but thats a rant for another anon messenger). with that math, that means someone HAS to be excluded from the fnaf 6 gravestone ending and i hate that. if cassidy is one of the missing children then shes the obscured gravestone, and then only charlie or CC could be the one in the distance, and excluding either of them feels wrong. CC is (arguably) the first kid to die in a freddys and (arguably….) what started everything happening, and charlie is the one to help the others possess the original suits. they are both more established characters than cassidy, who, again, we know nothing about.

all of that is to say this: if cassidy is a thing, why does she have to be in golden freddy? can i tell you what id prefer? what i think would be so much more narratively satisfying? what i lay awake at night staring without blinking up at the ceiling gritting my teeth wishing was real? i wish…cassidy was possessing freddy. freddy, og brown freddy, is the face of the franchise, and has literally zero lore significance. the only reason we know who possess him is from inference from the fnaf 6 gravestone pic lining up with the fnaf 3 ending head placement (does this sentence make any sense? can anyone hear me?) if cassidy is freddy, then charlie is the fifth missing child (i see no reason why she couldn’t be, theres nothing to indicate that the kids all died on the exact same day) and CC is golden freddy and the narrative is satisfying. cassidy can still be important, can even still be TOYSNHK for all i care, and CC can continue to writhe around in golden freddy in the 5020 ending.

deep weary sigh. i think…. thats actually all i have to say on the subject. if you’ve read this far thanks and also sorry. i just wanna cap this off by saying im not mad at anyone who likes cassidy theory or likes cassidy as a character, i have absolutely no problem with any of that! my problem is entirely with scott, who has just dropped this deus ex machina william-afton-seeking-missile on the table in front of us and refused to elaborate.

#charlie chatterbox #anon how could you do this to me #i had things to do tonight……….#im joking but im actually thrilled #not an exaggeration this is my favorite topic #fnaf theories in general are my favorite and this one really does keep my up at night #cuz like….as much as i hate it and dont think it makes sense #there isn’t really a better explanation?? except andrew theory but thats almost more unstatifying lmao #fnaf #fnaf neg #what’s the tag this has gotta be a tag

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blorbocedes · 1 year

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very compelled by the charlos shell challenge where the host asks carlos to name three things he likes about charles and he simply can’t and charles is just laughing but hanging his head and being like, at least I won the round! :’)

//https://youtube.com/shorts/Mkucz_zgHFg?feature=share

charlos are an interesting dynamic to me... they're like a couple who got married a few months into dating (weirding all their friends out), have INSANE sexual chemistry and no emotional chemistry 😭 could Not tell you what his favourite colour is but knows how exactly he'd like to be bent over the table ykno?

#charlos married vibes #carlos gets his emotional needs fulfilled by golfing with the boys (his dad 😭 lando)#while charlie is a bored housewife who shoplifts for the thrill and bats eyelashes at the supervisor to let him go #blorbocedes ask

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vmbrq · 7 months

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no bc haunted house scare actors?? thinking HARD about the scream villains as scare actors who found their crush separated from her group, and they take FULL advantage of it.

#THINKING. THINKING A LOT.#in my brain this works for charlie ethan amber billy or stu #and EACH SCENARIO in my brain is DELICIOUS #they would all mess with you differently #like their crush just comes stumbling through the door all wide eyed and jumpy and ALONE???#and she can’t tell who they are???#COOCHIE IS SCREAMING AND SOBBING #RIPPING OUT MY HAIR and they do something specific or she notices that their cologne/perfume is familiar but can’t place it #and she’s too flustered and distracted to think about it then #but then she sees them the following day and suddenly it just clicks????#OR MAYBE IT DOESNT AND ITS THEIR LITTLE SECRET #EVEN BETTER IF THEY’RE STILL GHOSTFACE #they wouldn’t hurt you as ghostface but the thrill of scaring you and backing you into a corner is SLDMFNDKDNDKS

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waugh-bao · 1 year

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Mick on his relationship with Charlie (early 2000s)

#he and Keith really would scratch each other’s eyes out to be Charlie’s favorite wouldn’t they?#honestly I get it #the rolling stones #charlie watts #old married band #mick jagger #gifset #gif set #(also I love the genuine little smile we see at that start when the interviewer tells him what Charlie said. before he goes into Mick Jagger #Mode. he looks so thrilled and so touched to hear that)

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dreaminginthedeepsouth · 1 year

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(Image credit: Charlie Gillett Collection)

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“The Thrill Is Gone” was another old R&B hit that B.B. King had filed away in his disc-jockey brain. It was a top-ten single in 1951 for Roy Hawkins, a rhythm-and-blues singer and noted sad sack who once penned a side titled “Gloom and Misery All Around.” Hawkins had been B.B.’s label-mate at Modern Records. He performed “The Thrill Is Gone” as a mournful shuffle. B.B. carried the song around in his head for years, reimagining it in various arrangements and even trying to record it once or twice. One night during the sessions for Completely Well, B.B. arrived at the studio with a new version that he liked. He had raised the key, lifted the tempo, and shifted the rhythm to Otis Redding–style soul. Whereas the original ballad hewed to the twelve-bar, three-chord formula of minor blues, B.B. had introduced a note of compositional complexity: a fourth chord, in the third line of each verse, a baby step into the province of pop.

Szymczyk “set up the sound nice and mellow,” B.B. recalled. And then, “without tellin’ them what I was gonna do, I slipped into this tune. And everybody fell right in, and it seemed to be the sweetest sound ever to me.” The recorded performance opened with a single, ringing, vibrating note from Lucille, held for three full beats before B.B. proceeded into his introductory solo, soaring over a pulsing bass and watery splashes of organ. And then he sang: “The thrill is gone, the thrill is gone away.” B.B. had rewritten Roy Hawkins’s melody, taming it into a simple, hummable, descending line. Jemmott found the perfect bass pattern to complement B.B.’s melody, built around a little riff on the first and third beats that tiptoed up to each note. Lovelle, the drummer, anchored the bass to a spare, slightly lagging 4/4 rock tempo. Together, bass, drums, and melody conspired to render the song unique and memorable. Yet, according to Szymczyk and Jemmott, no one went home that night thinking they had recorded a hit. B.B. would later claim that he, and maybe he alone, had heard its promise: “I was thrilled.” Visé, Daniel de. King of the Blues: The Rise and Reign of B. B. King [Don's Tunes]

#music #songs #the blues #Daniel de Vise #Charlie Gillett #B.B.King #The Thrill is Gone

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