#ectoplasm is similar to kryptonite

[oldfangirl81]

Okay, so I saw a take on the idea that Kryptonite is a similar to ectoplasm.

Danny just appears and yoinks the "burger" eating it in two bites.

"Mmm, crunchy. Thanks I was starving after that meeting. Who knew being king would be so boring?"

Lex and Superman just stare as the kid spots Connor and goes to chat.

#fic prompt #dp x dc #ghost king danny

[disillusioneddanny]

For your random fun one shot

There's a fruit out there called Synsepalum dulcificum(aka miracle berry) that messes with the taste receptors(sour things taste sweet etc). Ectoplasm has a similar effect(for the purpose of the prompt that is, idk if it actually does).

So danny (either as Danny or as phantom)does shots of ectoplasm and tries a bunch of other heroes' favorite foods(starfire's cooking, red robin's and or oracle's caffeine abomination, random leftovers in the fridge, etc) and live streams it for charity while answering fan sent questions.

But then one of the flashes knocks over his shot glass while running by and all the food becomes animated and there's an epic food fight in whichever cafeteria he's in

enjoy a taste of chaos >:))))

Danny’s taste was a little fucked, he would be the first to tell you. There was this thing with ectoplasm that made his taste receptors just a bit different anytime he drank some. And because of this, his favorite thing was grossing out his Titans team mates any chance he could. The team had just as much fun as he did and it was technically Impulse’s idea to do this new tik tok series to introduce himself to the world as the newest member of the Titans. 

So, here he was, sitting at the break room table in the tower with vials of ectoplasm and the most fucked up foods his team could think of sitting before him. 

There was a cake baked by Miss Martian that Superboy had winced at. A veggie lasagna made by Beast Boy that Nightwing eyed warily. A strange coffee and energy drink combination courtesy of Red Robin.  Some kind of casserole that Stafire had excitedly made, and a random assortment of the weirdest snacks that Impulse could find. The entire team was now watching in horror as Danny took a shot of ectoplasm and looked over the terrifying arrangement of food in front of him. 

“This feels like a fucked up mukbang,” Danny said with an amused smile. 

Red Robin snickered from behind his phone. “What are you going to try first, Phantom? Everyone in the live are making bets on what you’re going to eat first.”

“Are we sure this isn’t going to kill him?” Superboy asked worriedly. 

“I’m already dead,” Danny said with a shrug. His teammates all gave him that same look of horror they did any time Danny reminded them all of his mortality. He supposed it was easy for them to forget that Danny was a ghost when the only other ghost they really knew about was Deadman and they were two completely different types of ghosts. 

Not only that, but Danny still hadn’t mentioned to any of his teammates that he was only half dead. He had yet to reveal his secret identity to any of them. He had only been a member of the team for about a month and none of them had shared their identities with him so it was only fair that he didn’t share that part of himself with them yet either. 

“Oh right,” Nightwing said faintly, that look of horror still on his face. 

Danny just gave them a sharp, fanged smile and grabbed the first thing on his tray. A small rock of kryptonite. He supposed it made sense to eat that first considering Superboy was looking sicker and sicker the longer they sat there. 

“Are you sure it’s fine for you to ingest kryptonite?” Wondergirl asked, looking a little uneasy. 

“Of course, my body breaks it down just like it does human food. It’s all just turned into ectoplasm and energy,” Danny said before popping the rock in his mouth and crunching on it like it was just a piece of bright green rock candy. 

He crinkled his nose at the taste, it was almost like eating pure sugar, it kinda made his teeth hurt. The same way it did when he was a kid and got his first cavity. 

“Well?” Impulse asked, practically vibrating with excitement. “Is it everything I imagine kryptonite tastes like?”

Danny snorted. “It tastes like I’m eating pure sugar,” he said before drinking another vial of ectoplasm. 

“That’s so crash!” Impulse shouted, slinging his hands out in excitement as he did. The following events were like slow motion. 

Impulse’s hand knocked straight into the tray of ectoplasm vials that seemed to scatter across the table, hitting each fucked up and questionable piece of food or drink on the small table.

From there chaos just simply erupted. Danny braced himself as the pieces of food started to slowly but surely float off of the table, the coffee-energy drink began to take form and create a small fizzy, coffee scented blob ghost that careened straight towards Impulse’s face. 

The veggie lasagna quickly grew pinsharp fangs that it gnashed and chomped at Beast Boy, loud screeches coming from its body. 

“Oh no,” Danny said, his face pale beyond belief. 

“Ph-phantom?” Nightwing stammered, his eyes wide with horror as the casserole that Starfire made started to slowly but surely inch its way towards the eldest hero. 

“Red Robin, end the livestream,” Danny hissed as an ectoblast started to form in his hand, his other hand inched towards the thermos that he kept at his hip.  

“But-” Red Robin let out a screech as Impulse tackled him just before a random giant pretzel launched itself at the vigilante. 

“End the livestream!” Superboy screeched as he shot lasers at the hurtling ball of cabbage that had launched itself at the hero like a cannonball.

“I’m not ending the livestream! We just got so many more viewers joining!” Red Robin shouted back as he started fighting back the chips that were now being flung his way. 

“Brace yourselves!” Wondergirl yelled as jello slung itself around the room. Danny just let out a groan as he started shooting ectoblasts, doing his best to subdue the ecto infused food. 

He was never letting his team convince him into bringing out the ectoplasm again. This was the worst idea they had ever had.

#dpxdc #danny phantom #dp x dc #dc x dp #dis writes #dp x dc crossover #dis dreams #batman #danny fenton #dc x dp crossover

[halfghostwriter]

There’s a special kind of ectoplasmic rock candy made in the ghost zone that looks remarkably similar to kryptonite, the main difference being that the rock candy is a bit transparent.

Of course, during the Casper High field trip to Metropolis, it doesn’t take long for a small mix-up to end in Danny losing all of his rock candy and finding out that he can bite through kryptonite (it tastes like rock. He was very disappointed).

#danny phantom #dp x dc #dp x dc crossover #dc x dp

[the-witchhunter]

The John Mulaney “Is this whiskey or Perfume” bit

I know the DP X DC part of the Phandom likes making kryptonite crystalized ectoplasm, but what if it wasn’t? what if they just looked really similar?

Someone: Is this kryptonite or crystalized ectoplasm?

Tim: There’s no way to know until we run it through an electron spectrometer so-

Danny, sleep deprived: Let me check. *tosses in mouth, chews for a solid minute and swallows*

Danny: ...

Everyone: ...

Danny: ...

Everyone: Well?

Danny: ... it’s kryptonite.

Tim: Are you okay?

Danny: I don’t know. I might need my stomach pumped.

#Danny Phantom #danny fenton #red robin #tim drake #dp x dc #dp x dc crossover #dp x dc prompt #dp x dc crack

[satoshy12]

Super Danny and Jazz Luthor??

Danny and Jazz were doing a training fight in the Ghost Zone. Jazz wanted to help her brother more in his fights. So he can take bigger breaks.

So while they trained, they were attacked by Technus and Skulker, who used their new weapon on them. Skulker rages as the whelp is gone, and Technus has no idea what has happened. His invention was supposed to capture them.

Metropolis

Danny noticed first that they were not home but chose to ignore it. And told his sister they could still fight. No ghost was around them, and they could still train. Jazz was for it, and they started to fight again in the air.

They had a good fight until that man flew to them and tried to stop the fight. Danny only looked at his sister to know they should leave, which is what he did as he grabbed her and turned invisible as they got away before going back to civilian life. They could do it later, without people around them. Training was enough for today.

Clark just wanted to talk and maybe help the child. He looked similar to a Kryptonian and was able to use similar powers. The boy needs a bit help in the way he fights and a better suit he could give him one. But first He should call Bruce. And say just to be sure Dibs.

Lex Luthor showed interest in his office as he watched the fight through the window. The armor on the girl looked similar to what he used with her own kryptonite attacks. He should look and see what he can find out. And dibs to the other villains.

This 2 remember both Clark and Lex on the each other and it would be interesting to see what else happens. Is this time travel or something similar??

What Jazz wore looked similar to Lex Luthor's warsuit. The ectoplasm attacks look like what Lex uses. Kryptonian Danny? 

#danny fenton #danny phantom #dp #dc #dcau #dc comics #dc x dp #dp x dc #dp + dc #superman #Clark Kent #lex luthor #Jazz Fenton #kryptonian? Danny #Lex suit Jazz?? #Young Justice #superman comics

[nelkcats]

Kryptonite is ecto-sugar

After the ghosts realized they could create food out of the ectoplasm they needed to survive, they got a little creative about it. Many ghosts began to ask those who were chef's in their lives for sugary products: desserts, more than anything.

The problem was that the Realms did not have a star as bright as the sun, and because they were in the land of the dead it was very difficult to farm. But after much persistence they managed to obtain a plant similar to sugar cane with the help of Undergrowth.

With this, many ghosts came together to help in the process and "ecto-sugar" (later called Kryptonite) was created, which they managed to alter enough for it to multiply without the help of the plant.

However, they got too excited, the quantity of sugar increased and ended up in different sizes, there were big or small pieces everywhere.

Because of that some of the final products were simply unusable and were thrown away in random places on the Realms. Somehow this ended with the ecto-sugar multiplying its amount and ending up as little crystals everywhere, buried in the floor of the floating islands.

Even some of them were discarded in natural portals. Unfortunately for the Kryptonians, the ecto-sugar fell directly onto a desolate part of their planet and began to multiply. When the first Kryptonian discovered it, he realized he was extremely weak to it, and since he thought it was originally from his planet he named it "Kryptonite".

The real reason they were so weak to it was because the ecto-sugar was made from start to finish with death, and developed in a lifeless environment without natural sun. Naturally, with Kryptonians being glorified plants, this ended being extremely harmful to them.

#DPxDC #dpxdc #Kryptonite #Kryptonite is just sugar #Poor Supes is going to be devastated #Danny is going to search for the Kryptonite if he hear about it #After all #Clockwork don't let him eat the pure sugar #something about him being still a child #he doesn't believe him #he is responsible enough for some pure sugar #Kryptonians thought it was originally from their planet #but nope #Kryptonite is more of an invader species #Danny wants his big candy #He is going to have a sugar rush in front of the Justice League too #And scare almost all of them #Babysitter Justice League #dc x dp #Kryptonians #Superboy would be happy with the weird kid that eats Kryptonite #He even steal from Luthor #Don't give too much sugar to kids #Ghosts are a little irresponsible #but they were distracted with their new desserts #Lunch Lady loves to use Kryptonite in her food #She can give Supes a heart attack by accident #Undergrowth was bribed here #Kryptonians are just big plants

[threewaysdivided]

compared to the other hero's in YJ how do you think Phantom stands up power wise. like Future Danny ripped the world apart and i know in some fanfiction that it is used as an indicator that he is high up there, but i'm interested in your thoughts.

This is an interesting question nonnie!

I generally agree with the idea that Phantom is in the upper-tier of crossover superhero powers, but I do have more specific thoughts so let’s break it down:

Danny’s power level

Just looking at the variety and strength of ghost-powers that Phantom displays in his show, I would put him in the higher rankings of most heroes when it comes to raw ability.  I alluded to this in my main DP x YJ Deathly Weapons fanfic, but to me Phantom shows signs of a pretty common power-scaling differential that happens when a solo-protagonist hero gets transplanted into an ensemble setting.  Within his own setting, Phantom had to be (or become) powerful enough to solve most problems/ fights all by himself – and some of those ghosts he ended up facing towards the end of his canon were impressively strong.  By comparison ensemble heroes are generally less-powerful because working as a collective means they don’t have the same need for aggressive self-sufficiency and also so that no one character upstages or outmodes the rest of the group from a writing perspective.

There’s also the nature of ghost powers.  Phantom needed to develop the raw strength to fill the role of solo combat heavy-hitter, but his base powers are versatile to the point of unsettling.  He has to physically fight against other ghosts because they have (and to some extent are immune to) the same abilities as him, but in a fight against other species he could potentially avoid, manipulate or exhaust an opponent with strategic use of invisibility/ intangibility/ overshadowing.

The back of Dinah’s neck prickled.  With flight to mask footsteps and intangibility rendering them undetectable by touch…  Nonthreatening as Phantom generally appeared, she was starting to understand why his kind had developed such an unsettling reputation.  The idea that a ghost could be present at any time - eavesdropping, spying, interfering - without any of them being the wiser was… disquieting to say the least. - Deathly Weapons, Chapter 17: Assessment

On top of that, he seems to be in a similar boat to Superman when it comes to physical weaknesses – he doesn’t have that many, and they’re often quite specific or hard-to-find.   The most easily-exploitable one is that Danny can run out of power, be slowly starved of ectoplasm or be knocked unconscious; all of which would forcibly revert him back to his weaker human state.  After that, he’s vulnerable to certain magics and ghostly-artefacts, which are more likely to be accessible to various DC/ Marvel heroes (although they might not know exactly which spells/items will be most effective or why).  Beyond those two, most of his weaknesses need to be specifically known about and actively sought out – anti-ecto-technology is obtainable but not mainstream, blood blossoms naturally repel/hurt ghosts but they seem to be rare in nature (or even extinct in the modern day) and then assuming you acknowledge Phantom Planet there’s ectoranium which is basically ghost-Kryptonite in rarity (and possibly even the same mineral in DP x DC settings depending on the crossover).  Much like with Superman, the most reliable ways to take down Phantom require actively knowing what he is and having prepared accordingly.

Based on those metrics, I want to place Phantom in the same power-band as Superman or the Martian Manhunter.  I’d consider their powers to be equivalent incomparibles – it’s hard to stack their abilities side-by-side and say one is objectively better than the others.  A no-holds-barred, knock-down drag-out fight between those three could get very nasty but it would be hard to confidently call a winner without knowing more about the external factors around them.

That said, I think the thing holding Danny back from being fully at that level is his experience: or rather his lack thereof.   Danny hasn’t had much formal training (except maybe some basic self-defence instruction from Maddie/Jack) and he doesn’t have a proper mentor either.  His personal experience mostly fits the narrow niche of direct open combat with other ghosts, mostly throughout Amity Park and surrounds (although occasionally in the Ghost Zone or further from town). 

Phantom has enough raw power and innate talent as a strategic lateral-thinker to get by, but I think that hyperspecialisation and lack of guidance would leave him with a lot of blind-spots.  His hand-to-hand is self-taught and probably missing a lot of best-practice basic techniques.  He’s also never had an experienced third party to observe him in the field and offer suggestions on alternative approaches to using his powers/ keep him from developing bad habits.  This is something Danny actually comments on in canon; he can take a long time to identify solutions (even obvious ones) that deviate too far from his default throw hands approach to fighting.  His powers could be more effectively deployed as a precision-instrument but a lack of coaching means he tends to falls back on using them as a blunt hammer because that was the pattern that came naturally when he was first starting out, and no-one was around to keep that habit from ingraining.

The place where you can see this lack of experience hurting him the most is in his lack of soft-skills.  Phantom didn’t have anyone to advise him on de-escalation, damage control, comforting civilians, interacting with authorities etc.  Add in the naturally-frightening nature of many ghosts and it was easy for him to fall into a public perception of being “the town menace”.  Danny is pretty decent at rallying both humans and ghosts (even erstwhile enemies) to his side in crisis situations but no-one has taught him how manage public relations outside of that.  He says it himself: he needs a PR agent.

On the other hand, Phantom’s heroics have inadvertently earned him a decent amount of potential political pull in the Ghost Zone.  He has enough positive rapport that some regular rogues will take his side or even actively seek him out for help in the right circumstances, and other more antagonistic ones have at least developed a degree of grudging respect.  There are several powerful ghosts that either have direct debts of gratitude to him/his team (Princess Dorothea, Pandora) or who hold him in high esteem for re-sealing Pariah Dark (The Far Frozen).  It’s possible that defeating Pariah might even have granted him a potential candidature/claim to an official position, and judging by the way the Observants and Clockwork pay attention to him, it seems that Phantom’s slow accumulation of power/influence isn’t going completely unnoticed.  However, again, Danny doesn’t have the awareness, experience or training needed to leverage that effectively – heck, he’s not even doing it on purpose.

With all that taken into account, I think Phantom would rank very highly in terms of overall potential, but at his current level he’d be in the lower ranks of the A-tier.  He could become a much more powerful figure with the right guidance but in his canonical state he’s underutilising or outright overlooking a lot of his most effective tools.

TUE Future/ “Dark Phantom”

The “Dark Phantom” presented in the TUE Bad-Future is interesting to me because while he’s a very powerful figure within that story, I don't think he’s a very good reflection of canon-Danny’s potential to do harm.

Gonna complain about The Ultimate Enemy for a bit: I’ve tag-muttered about this before but I’m one of the Phandom members who finds The Ultimate Enemy to be a frustratingly weak episode.  It has a potentially fascinating core premise (the “evil future/alternate self”) but the execution is so convoluted and driven by improbable contrivances that the whole ends up being far less than the sum of its parts.   

One of the biggest problems is that, rather than being a straight future/alternate version of Danny, “Dark Phantom” is actually a hybrid of Phantom and Plasmius’ worse sides.  He’s a distinct, separate entity which means he can’t work as an effective dark mirror to either of them.  (Compare and contrast the Justice League episode A Better World in which the Justice Lords acted as a dark mirror of what the actual Justice League members could become if they chose to abandon their morals and compassion in favour of seizing control and instating a totalitarian system of draconian crime prevention.)

The episode also tried to graft on a really mismatched moral of “don’t be a cheat”.  Rather than being a lesson on choices/ values/ power/ responsibility, Dark Phantom almost ends up being an offhand biproduct of Danny getting caught cheating on a freshman/sophomore-year career-aptitude test.  Instead of learning a lesson about himself/ his ideals/ his personal faults, Danny comes away from the episode with a cool new superpower after deciding not to cheat on the test after all.  Not exactly satisfying.

That mismatch and the convoluted levels of moon-logic required to make it fit severely undermine the idea that this version of Dark Phantom is “inevitable”.  There are too many steps that are too highly-specific and too easily-avoidable for the threat to feel real: Danny has to care enough about an early-highschool CAT to want to cheat, he has to somehow get the answers which he wasn’t intending to do in the canon timelineand only does as a result of Clockwork’s meddling, making it a self-fulfilling situation, he has to get caught using them, Mister Lancer has to hold the resulting parent-teacher meeting at Nasty Burger rather than a school office for some reason, the Nasty Burger Sauce has to 1. be dangerously explosive and 2. coincidentally explode while not only Danny’s parents but his friends and sister are inside, Danny has to be placed in Vlad’s custody rather than with his Aunt Alicia or closer family-friends, Danny has to ask Vlad to remove his Phantom-half and finally, Vlad himself has to agree to do it.  Take away any of those steps and this version of Dark Phantom doesn’t happen.  That’s not inevitable, it’s contrived.

But anyway, let’s look at Dark Phantom as his own entity:

One of the things that makes Dark Phantom much more potentially dangerous is that he combines Phantom’s raw power with Plasmius’ experience.  Like I was saying before, one of Danny’s biggest handicaps is that he lacks training/guidance and tends to underutilise his most effective abilities.  Vlad meanwhile has had years of relative freedom to practice and finesse a lower raw-power level; he’s much more skilled at advanced techniques like duplication and overshadowing (which he canonically used to force through his fortune-making business deals), as well as ecto-constructs.  Plasmius is also a lot more tactical and manipulative in how he applies their common powers.  Plus, the TUE version of Dark Phantom is a full-ghost, which means he doesn’t have a vulnerable mortal state that can be exploited as a weakness.

This is why I think it would be possible for TUE!Dark Phantom to successfully decimate other heroes in shared-universe crossover situations where ghosts aren’t common knowledge.  He’d be an unexpected, unknown enemy that the heroes have no effective way to fight (outside of a few magic users).  Combine that with many of the most powerful heroes being visible as public figures, and Dark Phantom having inherited Plasmius’ strategic/manipulative traits and it could be very easy for Dark Phantom to basically launch a premeditated paranormal blitzkrieg attack, using Plasmius’ skill with duplicates and overshadowing to subjugate any hero he couldn’t overwhelm with Phantom’s raw power level.  It would also make sense that Amity Park would become one of the remaining bastions in any TUE-style future, since having advanced knowledge of ghostly abilities and access to anti-ecto technology would tilt the balance more evenly and allow them to at least keep the danger out.

Mentally, it’s also worth noting that Dark Phantom is a lot more dangerous than either Phantom or Plasmius.  He’s basically the most toxic traits from both of them, removed from their more moderating/ compassionate instincts.  Based on the canonical explanation given, TUE!Danny had Phantom forcibly removed in attempt to remove the pain/ rage/ grief he was feeling over the death of his family.  This isn’t a model-hero-persona conceptualisation of Phantom a la Splitting Images; the TUE-version of his ghost half is a big ball of churning negative emotion.  And what are some of Danny’s toxic traits when it comes to negative emotions: he lashes out, falls into self-blame and self-destructs.  Then we add in Vlad’s toxic traits: he’s egocentric to the point of narcissism, he projects negative feelings/ blame onto others rather than accept responsibility for his own actions and he has a controlling/ sadistic streak.   

TUE’s Dark Phantom is the worst possible combination of an emotionally devastated teenager and an emotionally immature adult.  He’s a ball of pain and rage that blames the world for that pain, lashes out at it, feels worse for doing so and then blames the world for making him feel worse because he doesn’t have the emotional capacity to accept that he’s the one causing it.  Grief is love persevering but the feelings of love, connection and guilt that contextualise his pain were left in the human shells that remained of Danny and Vlad.  It’s possible that the Dark Phantom presented in TUE might not have the capacity to feel positive emotions or compassion.  He was never meant to exist as his own entity – he was an attempt to destroy Daniel Fenton’s negative emotions which went horribly wrong.  In some ways it seems like his reign of terror could be an angrier version of Dracula’s scheme from Netflix’s Castlevania or Haliax’s goal from the Kingkiller Chronicles – a drawn-out suicide note from an undead being who’s been dead inside for much longer, destroying whatever peace/happiness he encounters in revenge for being denied it himself, until such time as he either attains catharsis or finally ends the pain by destroying reality and himself along with it.  That’s the final thing that makes TUE’s Dark Phantom more dangerous than either Phantom or Plasmius – he has nothing to lose and no “better nature” or personal dreams that other heroes could try to appeal to.

So yeah, the TUE version of Dark Phantom could absolutely rip the world and other heroes apart, but I don’t think he’s a particularly good reflection of Danny’s capabilities in terms of either powers or personality.  There’s too much Vlad in the mix, and even then he represents such a narrow and extreme edge-case for each of their personalities that it’s barely representative at all.  At best he’s a warning for what these kinds of powers could be capable of in the wrong hands.

Meta-question: What is “power” in narrative?

Alright, now that I’ve (hopefully) answered the question, let’s finish with a self-indulgent thought exercise for extra credit.

There’s an anecdote which I’ve heard attributed to the Stan Lee, in which a fan apparently asked him “who would win in a fight between Superman and the Hulk?”  To which Stan apparently replied, “whoever the writer wants.”

While it can be fun to make tier-lists and try to rank how strong different heroes/villains/creatures are based on the rules of their respective universes, I think it can also be helpful to consider that– like all things in storytelling – power is a narrative device.  It’s a tool that the character(s) and storyteller(s) can use to create and solve problems.

A character can be extremely physically strong/ skilled/ knowledgeable/ influential in a specific area but how much narrative power they have depends on how well their abilities allow them to influence or resolve story problems.   And, as the omnipotent god(s) of the narrative, the storyteller(s) can choose whether to confront them with challenges that play to their existing strengths, or that force them to find other solutions.  What’s the best way to kill a vampire?

This is actually part of what makes Lex Luthor such an effective Superman villain.  Objectively most versions of Lex are just A Guy™ – on a physical level he doesn’t have anything close to Kal El’s Kryptonian strength or superpowers.  But he feels like a serious threat because he often comes after Superman in ways that Clark can’t easily steamroll with that brute strength.  Lex uses manipulation, money, influence, connections, politics, public opinion; Superman can’t physically fight him without playing into Luthor’s plans, and trying to face him in those other fields requires tools that Clark wasn’t handed as part of his Kryptonian heritage.  An invading alien army is objectively a bigger physical threat to Earth, but a competent Lex Luthor scheme feels more dangerous because – while we feel confident that Superman can beat down a legion of monsters – when it comes to the question of whether he can outwit Luthor, the outcome is a lot less certain.

Situational disempowerment is another of the ways a narrative can reign in an otherwise “overpowered” character: placing them in circumstances where they either aren’t given many opportunities to showcase their best strengths, or are kept from using them because the drawbacks/ risks/ consequences of using their abilities makes their power(s) a liability.  I’ve mentioned it before, but this is actually one of the tricks I’m personally using to keep Phantom’s massive powerset balanced against the other proteges in Deathly Weapons.  It’s also something I’ve been struggling with when it comes to Conner’s place in that story since the stealth-mission plot structure doesn’t allow as much room to highlight his core powers and personal strengths.   

Stories can create additional stakes for powerful characters by giving them emotional arcs which their powers can’t resolve.   For a published example, consider the series One Punch Man and Mob Psycho 100.  Despite how high-ranked Saitama and Mob are within the power-scaling of their respective stories, those powers don’t kill the emotional stakes because the things they actually want/ need can only be gained through self-improvement or making connections in ways separate from their powers (and in some regards their power level actively gets in the way of that).  This is also something I’m doing with Danny’s main grief arc in DW.   

Final Conclusion time

In terms of physical strength and range of abilities, I think Phantom would be pretty near the top of the power-scale in most superhero crossovers.  While the Dark Phantom presented in TUE might not be a particularly good reflection of Danny’s specific potential, a crossover version of the TUE timeline offers a pretty good litmus-test for how dangerous a strong ghost could be in a given universe: the combination of power level, ability range and highly-specific/ inaccessible weak-points poses a strong strategic threat.

On the other hand, physical strength isn’t the only strength.  Phantom has a decent level of potential political sway as well, but he also lacks a lot of the soft skills and experience needed to make use of his toolset to its full ability.

Stepping back further, the answer to how powerful Danny is in a narrative sense is really just “however much the writer wants”.  Phantom’s narrative power depends on the kind of story he’s in and the challenges placed around him – there are as many ways to situationally nerf our ghost-boy as make him OP, all without needing to alter his on-paper powers.

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[phantoms-world-and-more]

An idea came to me reading a fic where Danny was a kryptonian. What if Amity Park instead of being a city in the USA on Earth was once a city on Krypton (in what would be a kryptonian version of early 21st century or at least about 100 years before the planet blew up). Basically almost everything that happened in cannon DP happened and everything is mostly the same but with a more alien then earth tone to it.

After Phantom Planet Danny's parents except him being part ghost, the government overturn the Ecto Acts, and he able to finish high school and goes on to college after which he is happily welcomed to for work for KASA (Krypton Aeronautics and Space Administration). He becomes an Astronautical engineer. Danny is in his early thirties when he is testing out a new experimental space ship engine for KASA. While doing a flight test Danny's ship losses signal and no one can find it (kind of what happened in the show Farscape).

100s of years go by Krypton explodes baby Kal-El is sent to Earth where he grows up to be Superman. The JL suddenly get a signal/warning about some alien tech on the edge of the solar system. They send one of the Green Lanterns to take a look, where they report a spaceship dead in space. They don't expect any life forms but surprise because of his ghost half Danny was in a sort of suspended animation. He is brought back and wakes up in the Watch Tower.

Just Random ideas...

Kryptonite is the crystalized form of ectoplasm because of this Danny is not effected by it.

Danny's kryptonian name is Daniel Fen-Ton

The phantom zone projector was originally called the Fen-Ton zone projector or is was based off a Fen-Ton gadget.

Years after Danny disappears Krypton starts turning on ghost again, so the town of Amity, which now has a symbiotic relationship with ghost, vote to pull the whole town into the Ghost Zone. So it is not blown up like the rest of the planet though Danny does not know this in the beginning.

Danny has an easier time learning to use Earth technology then he does the Kryptonian technology in Superman's Fortress.

Danny also has slightly easier time when getting the regular Kryptonian power set due to the yellow sun because he went through something similar when getting his ghost powers.

Danny adopts Connor almost immediately. Maybe during Danny's time there was laws about cloning and clone rights on Krypton. Also while Connor is not a replacement he sort of fills in the void of losing Ellie.

While Superman has no idea who Danny is, Kara/Supergirl has a faint idea because he was briefly mentioned in her Krytonian History class. Also she is happy to have someone who can natively speak the kyrptonian language even if it has older vocabulary. Don't get her wrong its great to speak it with Kal-El but he learned it later in life.

Holly char this is amazing!

How many people will have a stroke when they see Danny casually pick up a piece of kryptonite? Batman? His normal Kryptonian contingency plan won't work. Luthor? There's a version of superman IMMUNE to Kryptonite. Clark? What the hell do you mean you can touch kryptonite

I think after Danny explains everything about his past and species so many people are going to just...give up. Hahaha a stronger version of superman who isn't effected by kryptonite, goodbye world

Connor will be ecstatic, Danny will do ALL the dad stuff, teaching him their language, proper training, engineering lessons and you bet he's going to use jazz's psychiatrist stuff on this kid

Danny's probably going to get mega-depressed, all his hard work breaking the racism against ghosts only for that to come back a few years after he left? And he can't even fix it again because their world went bye-bye

Also- here me out

Co-pilot Valerie

#fic prompt #daily prompt #dc x dp #dp x dc #funny #ectoplasm is kryptonite in the dc universe #Just in liquid form #Danny is from krypron #Danny adopts connor

[zylev-blog]

Ectoradium and Kryptonite are eerily similar. They look the same and feel the same to their respective races (ghosts + Kryptonians) and almost nobody can tell them apart, barring experts in the fields (Fentons or Lex Luthor). Except the fact that Ectoradium is Kryptonite with ectoplasm contamination.

One day, Superman is affected by Ectoradium. But here’s the thing that surprises him—the teen nearby also is affected by the ‘kryptonite’ and Clark thinks that he’s stumbled onto another Kryptonian.

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[void-of-unparalled-chaos]

You know that trope where kryptonite is hardened ectoplasm? Well ectoplasm and emotion is the main building block of ghosts. They need ectoplasm to keep themselves solid, and their system is something similar to a respiratory cycle where a ghost intakes emotion-filled ectoplasm and releases it back into the world completely devoid. Basically, they are like plants.

What I'm trying to ask is, in this scenario, is Clark allergic to Danny?

Does he start sneezing whenever they are in the same room? After extended contact does he get a mild cold? Is Clark even able to set foot in Amity without immediately getting a fever?

#dpxdc #kryptonite is ectoplasm

[natalieh0490]

Dc X Dp Headcanon - Kryptonite

What if kryptonite in these kinds of crossovers wasn’t ghost candy?

Kryptonite was formed from the death energy of a planets worth of in an instant. It’s formation is unique due to the number of deaths involved in its creation, the stressors the ectoplasm was exposed to after the planet blew up, and just how much agony and sorrow it contains within even the tiniest piece.

In every piece of Kryptonite from the largest to the smallest there are countless echos wailing in wordless sorrow, screaming in a cacophony of anger, or in some combination of the two. The reason why the only members of the living that are effected by kryptonite is Kryptonians is due to the echoes extreme jealousy that they got to escape, that they got to live while none of them got that luxury. So they inflict every ounce of their suffering, every single thing they felt when they died, on those who dared to escape and this is the canonical result to kryptonite we see in kryptonians. The echoes miss the other members of the living because they aren’t liminal enough for them to touch. Living kryptonians are similar enough that they don’t have this protection.

Ghosts are also negatively effected by kryptonite, but not anywhere near the same level as kryptonians. Whenever a ghost gets too close to a chunk of kryptonite, all they can hear are the screams. A weaker ghost will be forced to make a new path due to the strength behind the screaming because it is just too painful, while stronger ghosts can push through it if absolutely necessary but it won’t be pleasant. The ghosts also aren’t entirely sure whether kryptonite is made of just echoes like what can happen with condensed ectoplasm but gone weird, or if the extreme disaster of the death of kryptonite captured the souls of its dead and melted them down into these crystals of pain. No one is willing to find out either.

Liminal when exposed to kryptonite will not experience pain like ghosts and kryptonians, but they do get something. They do hear the screams that kryptonians don’t hear while ghosts do, but it is muted. The amount of liminality a person has determines how loud the kryptonite is from a barely there whisper to a conversational level. Liminals also can sense that there is something deeply wrong with kryptonite whenever they are around it. How we, the average liminal who would be exposed to kryptonite would ignore these symptoms as unnecessary paranoia instead of them being able to see beyond the norm.

There is no such thing as true synthetic kryptonite. All of the human researchers thinking it is just another crystal and trying to replicate it are missing a n important part of the process. Earth has plenty of ectoplasm form them to shape into a crystal, but the researchers don’t have the necessary amount of deaths in the proper way to make it. So every type of kryptonite they do make had the fun combination of whatever overpowering thought they had while trying to make it combined with the intent for it to only work on kryptonians. Without this second but their synthetic “kryptonite” would work just as well on humans, but since all the people making it want to just hurt/affect kryptonians, that is the only group it works on. This is where all other kryptonite colors comes from. True kryptonite can’t change color and green kryptonite cannot be reproduced.

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[oldfangirl81]

Highly recommend keeping an eye on this series. It is focused on General Zod's son and Sinestro's son. Both want revenge on their Dads. Both want to leave a mark on the universe.

Dp x DC fans especially might want to keep an eye on it. Imagine the son of a yellow lantern meeting Danny in ghost form and mistaking him as a Green Lantern. Or in a world that ectoplasm is similar to kryptonite how would Lor-Zod handle a being that is the physical form of a major weakness.

#fic prompt #dp x dc #sinister sons #tbh i don't remember if all kryptonians have that weakness

[kawaiikenna]

Ectoplasm, Kryptonite, and Lazarus Water. How are They Related?

Popular opinion is that Lazarus Water is pretty much just sewer water. >~< But with it being a kind of matter from an entirely different realm/reality it doesn’t play by our rules. I head cannon it being similar to Oobleck in the way that pure ecto (obtained straight from the Realms) is a non-Newtonian fluid where the harder you hit the more solid it gets. Meaning that the reason Krytonite is solid is because it’s ecto that’s still recovering from the sheer force of Krypton dying. The reason why the Lazarus Waters are closer to a straight up liquid is due to Ra’s and his merry band of murder assassins having added things to a naturally occurring pool of ectoplasm. This then made it stay in a more liquid state that’s severely unstable. Therefore changing the chemical composition just enough to register as a completely new thing. It also makes most people very angy. Very much something they fucked around with and found out. :3

With pure ectoplasm being more like a non-Newtonian fluid, it now makes sense as to why it hurts when ghosts and other ecto-entities throw it around. But this also means that it can possibly hurt normal mortals if thrown at a high enough velocity. It also makes the sheer amount of property damage much more explainable. Because if you hurl a being made exclusively of ecto at a high enough velocity they’ll become such a strong solid that nothing in the mortal realm would be able to stand up to it.

Anyways, that’s my somewhat scientific take on ectoplasm, Lazarus Water, and Kryptonite. :3

#dcxdp #dpxdc #ectoplasm #science fiction #fictional science because why not #hopefully it makes sense #most of my scientific knowledge is from Google and YouTube so there’s a good chance that I have no idea what I’m talking about. -w-;; #lazarus pit #Lazarus waters #kryptonite #i have connected the dots #I may not have connected shit #but I have connected the dots ÒwÓ

[minnesota-fats]

I know Phantom Planet is...spicy in this fandom but something just occurred to me. A glowing green meteor that harms ghosts came from space. Kryptonite, a glowing green rock that can also be many colors came from SPACE.

Like what's the inverse thing for that? A freak coincidence? Or is there some connection?

If Clark touched Ectoranium, would it hurt him too? Or would Danny touching Kryptonite hurt him?

I remember making that connection when i was a kid when i first saw Phantom Planet. (Least favorite episode EVER)

I don’t know enough lore of Kryptonite to really say anything about it in comparison to Ectoranium but i feel they would have the same radiation effects due to long exposure. Like in the Justice league cartoon Lex got cancer from carrying Kryptonite for so long just to keep Superman away. I feel like the same would happen with Ectoranium if someone had constant contact with it.

But an even better similarity that I found is the Phantom Zone and the Ghost Zone!

Like both are enter inter dimentional planes of existence where people exist (sort of). Like the Phantom Zone is a inter dimentional space prison that Khryptonians made to house the most dangerous criminals in existence (and just some guy named the Prankster who is just some dude that plays jokes to steal shit also Louis Lane from the future) where the Ghost Zone is the land of the dead and so on where ghosts just exist.

My theory is that the part of the Zone that is the Phantom Zone is an uninhabited part of the zone that is more purplely and has denser ectoplasm and its harder for both Ghosts and Living alike to navigate, doesn’t mean its impossible but most ghosts just don’t bother besides the few that are accustomed to it. I also like to think that when the Krypton’s started to use the infinite realms as a prison, whatever ghost in power—maybe the ancients because i feel Pariah was imprisoned before that—set some more barbaric and feral ghosts, like Behemoths to guard the border just so the humans imprisoned there wouldn’t try and cause any damage to the Zone as a whole.

Im currently writing a Brain Dead (Danny x Tim) fic where the JL think Danny is too much of a threat and try to lock him away in the Phantom Zone only for Danny to be like, “ha y’all thought!”

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[stealingyourbones]

Kryptonite is crystalized ectoplasm. (had the thought and it hasn't left me alone for two hours but i don't know nearly enough about DP to write anything out sooo)

Homie I feel you. Honestly almost like a solid 85% of the workings of ectoplasm is fan made so honestly you can be as handwavey as you want about the workings of the stuff. This is mostly me just rambling so the topic may ping pong around a tad. This idea is fuckin incredible homie.

I’d say since Kryptonite is radioactive pieces of rock from the exploded planet Krypton that it would be neat to say that Krypton was somehow a planet from the Ghost Zone that escaped via a massive ghost portal and when it exploded it basically became funky radioactive ghost rock. Unsure if Danny would react the same around Kryptonite if that was the case but if Superman found his way into the ghost zone he would get hit by a massive sense of home.

You can also flip it around and say that crystallized ectoplasm simply works the exact same as Kryptonite. It’s basically a renewable resource of Kryptonite and that positively terrifies Superman and DELIGHTS Lex Luthor.

Ectoplasm absolutely can crystallize I’d say. Maybe it simply gets crystallized similar to how we dry out saltwater in a the sun and collect the salt crystal it leaves behind. Instead of the hot sun in this case it’s something else like being outside of the ghost zone. It dries up in an area with a lack of recent deaths.

Would it work with the same intensity as Kryptonite though? Like would it be like something to not make Kryptonians I’ll but it instead removes just their powers. (like a kinder version of gold Kryptonite.) Imagine Superman/Superboy being able to hug their friends without having to worry about hugging too tight and killing them or to get Superboy drunk. Things of the sort. Would it even work like the types of Kryptonite we already know? Would it be like red Kryptonite or maybe even white Kryptonite that kills everything in the area?

On another note to ponder on:

Technically wouldn’t Danny’s ice powers technically create crystallized ectoplasm? Danny simply shots an ice blast at a foe and Superman suddenly feels his powers draining away and getting incredibly weak.

#dpxdc #danny phantom #Superman #dc #dc comics #writing prompts #prompts #dp x dc prompt #bones replies #not-lex-Luthor #oh my fucking god I just noticed your username. in this context it’s SO funny #lex just trying to ask Danny casually how to use crystallized ectoplasm for kill Superman via tumblr #that is just a beautiful mental image

[night-wilf]

Writing prompt 03:

All ghosts share material with kryptonite to some degree:

Ghouls and other aggressive spirits are 20-60% similar.

Those who interact with humans often are 60-70% similar.

Ectoplasmic ghosts are 80-90% similar.

There is a reason Clark doesn't turn up in Amity park at all. This is why.

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