People who talk about how “how could you believe in the church ever, how did they talk you into getting baptized when you were 8? I NEVER would’ve fallen for that!” Did you believe in the Easter Bunny? The tooth fairy? Santa Clause? All things that are made up but you believed were true even though there were some weird and honestly creepy aspects of it if you look at it now, but you still believed in it and believed in the good parts of those things. Do not blame people for believing in something that they were fully taught was the truth because the people around them were taught it was the truth. Do not criticize a little kid for believing in Santa.
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Reading M. Kelters essay in Knowing Why: adult diagnosed autistic people on life and autism 
There was a moment where I couldn’t help but feel so seen and this page was it
I hid, but my favorite place wasn’t in the ceiling but in a tiny secret closet off of one of the classrooms on the second floor above the sacrament meeting. I could see the meeting from up there and would know when it would be over.
And yes I see the irony of literally hiding in a closet at church!
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it's been a while since i've posted here. but this is just a general reminder to other ex-mos, and also to current mormons, that you have to put in anti-racist work into your deprogramming and/or ongoing church efforts.
regardless of the intentions of the "original" gospel or the current-day statements on racism (including partnerships with the NAACP on scholarships), the church has a racist legacy and history that they have not apologized for or made restitutions and reparations on (including the early practice of taking slaves as tithes, the forbidding of black men from holding the priesthood, the "lamanite" placement program, and no formal church-level apology and public admonition of individual racist statements and actors within the church). white supremacists feel home and comfortable within the church, and we have to unlearn the things that allow that comfort, and actively fight against it.
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we’re all familiar with how mormonism breeds unrealistic expectations and perfectionism in its members, but what’s most insidious is the idea that "imperfections" are essentially only a stepping stone — a necessary burden to bear as they work toward a flawless eternity.
my brother and i are both ex-mormon, ADHD, mentally ill, and recovering addicts. my dad asked us once whether we’d choose to instantly be rid of our mental illnesses and ADHD entirely if we were somehow given the opportunity, and he was shocked when we both said we wouldn’t. he kept pressing it and giving different hypotheticals, and our answers didn’t change. because while those things come with difficulties and deep pain at times, we’ve also been able to find strengths within them and appreciate the ways they set us apart and force us to grow.
when perfection is your ultimate goal, it kills your ability to just be, and to love yourself genuinely as you are.
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Dang. It makes me so sad to go through the like lds tags on here and see so many ppl who are genuinely hurt and angry at my church. I’m not even like oh ur wrong my church is right, not at all! I KNOW my church isn’t perfect, I KNOW that imperfect ppl are in charge, and I KNOW that we def need to do better at some things. It just, hurts. Bc I love my church, I really do but not for the church. I love my church bc of the gospel it teaches, bc of the message. I don’t love my church bc of the culture, or the policies, or the conferences and weird habits and cultist tendencies and reputation. No I love my church bc it helps me come closer to God in ways I could never by myself. Bc through my connection to God I have found parts of myself and grown and learned and loved so many ways, and I have the promised blessings of being able to do that with God and my family for eternity. That is why I love my church. And that is why it hurts so much to see other ppl who r hurt from my church, bc that’s not what my church is supposed to be about. It’s supposed to be about Christ, His gospel, and love, but we seem to be a bit lost from that sometimes. So yeah. Ig what I’m trying to say is if you’ve been hurt by us, if you’ve been kicked out or alienated or treated like a less than, bc you were queer or “non believing” or smth, I just want you to know I’m sorry. It shouldn’t be like that. You should have only felt love from us. It really really hurts to know that you could’ve been welcomed in but weren’t. And I am so sorry for it.
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So I was reading that post about your moms and like - I hate to break it to you if you weren't aware, but Pentecostal publishers are basically like, *the* people who produce Christian cult home teaching books, especially stuff centered around young Earth Creationism so they're basically a larger-scale better funded cult too. Uhhh.... And Just to lighten things up, Music: Still Though We Should Dance by Radnor and Lee is really fun
(I'll get to the song later, send another ask if I don't)
Bro, you don't have to tell me.
Like, I didn't know that, and thank you for telling me, but you don't have to tell me that Pentecostals are a cult. Not even just because their beliefs are fucking creepy but because--and I'll say it once, very loudly--
EVERY SECT OF CHRISTIANITY IS A CULT!
All of it. Yes, even your chill Christian friends. Even the ones who are progressive. They're all cultists. And I--as I have recently realized--am recovering from being indoctrinated by a sect of that cult for my entire life up until, like, 3 years ago.
I care a lot about christianity, because it was what I was raised to be. I was meant to be a young christian man in this scary, antitheistic world of debauchery and sin and to prepare me for that life I was taught to really analyze the bible. As long as I didn't ask questions that realized the faults in the bible, of course. But by the time you're old enough to realize them, they've "directed you" away from them.
I know the bible really well. And what I know about it means very bad things for both Christianity and Judaism. And before you try, I'm not accepting "BuT ThOSe PArTs ArE sO OlD aNd We ARen'T liKe THaT AnYmOrE bECAuSe In A NeW BoOk--"
Don't bother. You both say the same things and you're both fucking wrong, your religions suck. The damage they've caused historically far outweighs any reform you could promise me.
I can't even say, with any confidence, that I don't believe in Christianity anymore, because I don't think I'm capable of not believing it. It was lodged into my brain in a way that has permanently damaged my emotions and my reasoning.
Case and point: I'm genuinely more inclined to believe that literally everyone is going to Hell--an afterlife defined by pure and unending suffering and torment with no rest or release ever--no matter what kind of life they live, because there's no way to reconcile what I logically know with what I've been indoctrinated to believe.
Do you know how awful that perspective is? I have woken up from religious nightmares in a panic, barely resisting the urge to beg some nonexistent Perfect Entity to not cast me into the worst things imaginable--knowing damn well he wouldn't fucking care.
Whenever I see anyone from the church I used to go to and they try to talk to me like we're still friends and like they've ever cared about me, I really just want to say that we're all going to hell and that trying to save yourself isn't going to work, because you don't know what the bible actually says--nobody does! The languages are all dead. We're all sinners, according to them, but according to actual facts and the general tendencies of their deity, we have no idea what to do and he doesn't care to fill us in.
And keep in mind--because this is usually the part where I forget--I don't believe in god. Not actively. But I can't escape that existential dread that there is some judgment-passing being that wants to cause suffering upon his creation. For what reason? Who fucking knows? I think it's because it amuses him, personally. That's the only interpretation that makes sense to me anymore.
But that's horrible. That's a horrible framework to have grafted onto your brain. And, at least for now, it looks like it's there for the long-haul.
I would ban religion entirely, if I could. I mean that with 100% sincerity. I think, ironically, that would protect children. Certainly a lot more than banning queer people. But both of those things are equally impossible, because the law isn't a god any more than anything else is.
So yeah, you don't have to use the Pentecostal facts on me to get me to hate that sect of christianity too. Because I hate them all. And, even though it isn't real, I believe I'll see them in Hell.
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