#joss whedon tw

[beyondthisdarkhouse]

Feeling really nostalgic about July 17-18, 2008, the last time I believed in Joss Whedon

It was just cool, you know? Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog dropped in three separate pieces over the course of the week. We'd get 15 minutes of story, and then two days to froth over the whys and wherefores in Livejournal comments before the next piece came out. And those days were so good.

Buffy fans are so fucking smart, y'all. They could combine academic rigor with unselfconscious fangirl squee. Squee was a hermeneutical method, a mode of interrogating the text--one we often dismiss and diminish, because if there's anything grosser than teenage girls getting goopy over a vampire they like, it's 30 or 50 or 70-year-old women getting goopy over a vampire they like. But it's similar to what I've seen called a "redemptive reading". You approach a piece of media specifically looking for its best parts, the pieces you love the best, and you allow yourself to fully embody the joy of liking something and caroling your joy to other people who like it too. In a perpetually burned-out time, squee can be like a desert oasis.

So the people who liked Buffy and Angel and Firefly watched Doctor Horrible in a manner both squeeful and intersectionally feminist, and saw all the amazing interesting things it was doing, showing how insecure geek masculinity fundamentally self-sabotages the main character, Billy, because the relationship he wants has been there in reach for months, and it's his own perception that he needs to be an alpha male warrior that has kept him from it. It interrogated the entire genre of costumed heroes, with two men thumping their chests and comparing their dick sizes, and none of them doing anything as direct and helpful for their society as Penny, the woman who stands on sidewalks collecting signatures to help a homeless shelter.

Part II came out on July 17, and the series would end with Part III on July 19. So on July 18, I spent most of the day reading Livejournal comments about it. There were all these theories: Maybe Penny was secretly Bad Horse, the archvillain whose approval Billy has craved since the beginning. Maybe she will collapse the love triangle with Billy's rival, Captain Hammer, by acting on her clearly-demonstrated discomfort and dumping him. Maybe Billy will learn that relationships are based on intimacy, not being The Best. Maybe Penny will become a superhero and replace Captain Hammer as Billy's nemesis. Maybe Billy will succeed and rule the world and give Penny Australia.

And then... none of those things happened. Joss Whedon ended the series in a way less progressive, less imaginative, less cool, than even the most half-baked fan theory out there. The story opened up possibilities to break out of an old, tired, toxic set of stories around men and women and sex and heroics, and then hid under a rock rather than change a single one of them.

July 19 was the day I concluded that while Joss Whedon might have his own baggage to work through about toxic masculinity, and artists have the right to make work meaningful to them, he wasn't making art that was meaningful to me. And I basically stopped expecting anything of him.

And then, for years, Buffy fans, educated and squeeful feminists and sharp pop culture critics, got told they were crazy histrionic SJWs for thinking Whedon didn't shit solid gold. For years. (I recently saw a video essay that included the line, "If you have the phrase 'mewling quim' branded onto your memory, you probably need some Metamucil" and, ouch, rude.)

There was so much excitement! A lot of us actually believed in the guy (although even then, there was enough evidence for many people to suspect what we now know to be 100% true about him.)

We wanted it to be good. We wanted to enjoy it.

I miss that feeling.

#joss whedon tw #dr horrible's sing along blog

[spikesdru]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer article for SFX UK (1998)

#wh*don is heavily featured so read at your own discretion #quality isn’t the greatest as it’s an old scan of this magazine #i found this awesome archive website and got so excited abt all the magazine articles #joss whedon tw #btvs #buffy the vampire slayer #cast #buffysource #slayerdaily #dailybtvs #mine #but obviously this magazine isn’t *actually* mine lol #btvsedit #buffyedit

[oveliagirlhaditright]

I noticed a little parallel, that... you know what? Probably doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. And it probably was unintentional. But it does kind of go to show that Buffy and Angel are a lot alike, and is kind of cool, so I guess I'll talk about it, anyway.

In season 10, Angel puts an arm around Buffy's shoulder when she's dating Spike (though he doesn't know that she was at the time, and I think he actually was thinking and hoping that maybe they were about to get back together... which clearly didn't happen then). Angel's clearly still in love with Buffy in season 10... and Buffy does have feelings for Angel there, but for very long and complicated reasons I'm not going to get into here (because it's a very long story, but a lot of it's for the sake of the world and stuff. At least, that's definitely a large pressing worry there. But she is genuinely happy in giving the thing with Spike a shot for the first time since he got his soul, don't get me wrong), she's choosing not to be with him at the moment.

And then in season 12, Angel had been dating Illyria (I do think he cared about her... though--if I'm being honest--I, personally, kind of think Angel was partly with Illyria because he had no idea how Buffy, the love of his life, thought about him at the time, among other things, so he thought that Illyria was his best option... Not to demean Illyria, or what Angel and Illyria had for the short time that they had it), but then she essentially sacrifices herself to save the day, by locking herself in a Hell dimension at the end of the series. And Buffy is comforting Angel about that here by putting a hand on his shoulder.

So, basically, the parallel is this: there are two instances in the comics where Buffy and Angel are dating other people, but their former lover has feelings for them in the instance they're dating other people, and is putting a hand on their shoulder.

Also, while Buffy ends up single in the comics, there's definitely hints that she and Angel might end up together (because they're clearly still in love with each other). But there are also hints that she and Spike might get back together, too. I feel like Joss Whedon originally left the love triangle open ended in S12, in case he ever wanted to come back to it and actually make a decision with it or something. -shrugs-

...That really didn't have anything to do with this post, but I just thought I'd explain that in case people didn't know where season 12 ended up and wanted to.

Shutting up now.

#bangel #long post #parallels #joss whedon mention #joss whedon tw #completely completely off-topic: for some reason i love that buffy ends the season 12 comics--and thus the series as a whole--in her #sunnydale high shirt. lol. that just seems so appropriate. even though she of course hasn't gone to sunnydale high in years #but it seems to bring it full-circle #edit: angel's also grieving fred. even though s12 doesn't have time to mention it. because it's so short. you know that's a thing #don't really know where to put that in the post itself. so i guess i'll just put it in the tags

[yelenabelovarph]

SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR in BTVS 4.15 GIF PACK

In the source link you will find gifs of Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy Summers & Faith Lehane in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It was released in the year of 2000. This gif pack includes some gifs with Alyson Hannigan, Alyson Hannigan, Marc Blucas, Anthony Head, Eliza Dushku, Kristine Sutherland and N.Br/nd/n. Make sure to follow my rules, it is linked on my tumblr. if you would like to support my work you can on ko-fi. If you have any questions, concerns or comments feel free to send an ask.

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[mysharona1987]

‘But Vanessa backed Depp, which means he can’t be abusive’

TBH, sounds like she’s as scared of him as anyone.

What man talks about the mother of his children like that?

“Maybe I used flowerly language sometimes” - Joss Whedon, when he heard about Gal Gadot’s complaints about him.

This is not expressing yourself.

#amber heard #politics #joss whedon #vanessa paradis #johnny depp #Dc comics #Tw domestic abuse

[rensplotdumps]

Stupid Idea:

Angel themed? #29 ? I give up with numbers, I'm far too inconsistent to organize this way.

Anyways, my document literally says: "What if joss wheadon wasn’t a little bitch and had angel get affected by billy "

Which basically translates to when the charecter Billy whose blood makes men misogynistic to the max (ex. Murder for breathing) it effects Wesley and Gunn but not Angel because... he lost the "primordial misogyny" when he became an evil demon because Angelus killed for pleasure not hatred (this is me paraphrasing the wiki thank you wiki for not making me dig through a transcript at midnight <3)

So how about that reasoning isn't valid as a fic idea and Angel isn't exempt from having his already present implicit bias amplified?

#buffyverse #angel the series #fic inspiration #fic prompt #btvs angel #tw misogyny #tw murder #joss whedon critical #(is there a standard tag for that? or is it unneeded?) #stupid idea

[violentdevotion]

#btvs #rape mention #sa mention #tw rape #tw sa mention #none of season 2 or 3 wouldve happened because buffy and angel wouldnt have had sex #the season 6 story with jonathon warren and the other one wouldnt happen because their plan is to make buffy their sex slave #season 6 willow wouldnt have happened because she wouldnt have raped tara #xander would die #<- dream episode #the spike arc wouldnt have happened #wow #joss whedon die challenge

[spite-and-waffles]

Joss Whedon is a prick, but this one story from Tales of The Slayers (2002) has been haunting me since I first read it years ago.

Tw: witch-burning, religious extremism, misogynistic violence

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#tw: burned alive #tw: live cremation #tw: graphic violence #witch burnings #misogynistic violence #religious extremism #btvs #joss whedon #tales of the slayers #comic book series #horror #vampires #fantasy

[shewhotellsstories]

Oh that Vareity article? Reylos still crying over that really shows their obsession with John. Not only was it taken out of context because John very much supports his costar, but the same interviewer has a history of setting up his Black guests like this

I was so annoyed I totally skipped over the writer of that article being Adam B. Vary. I remember hearing about him because a similar thing happened with Anthony Mackie and he did that disgrace of a rehabilitation tour story for Joss Whedon where he called Ray Fisher a bad actor and spewed a bunch of fake nice-guy rhetoric about how he couldn't help but sleep with his subordinates because he couldn't get date in high school. (Gee I wonder why.) It honestly felt sketchy as hell because in addition to Whedon being allowed to call his victims either liars or just bad at English Vary was whining on Twitter about how Ray Fisher wouldn't do an interview with him about the Whedon of it all. Honestly, if I were a PR person in Hollywood I would advise any client of mine with melanin to decline any interview with Vary, he seems to have a nasty habit of running with quotes that could get the most rage clicks. But yeah, thanks for pointing that out to me.

Fun story, once in college I was interviewing an administrator about mental health policies. He was from the South and very brusque and blunt. He said, "if you want to kill yourself, that's fine, we can't kick you out of school for it," because I was asking him about students being forced to take time off indefinitely after mental health crises. Now, if you read that quote on its own you might think that he was saying that suicide is fine, but when I asked a follow-up question he explained that he meant that if someone is in crisis they should be encouraged to seek help, but it was against the ADA to force someone to move out of student housing due or withdraw from classes indefinitely to self-harm or suicidal ideation because being mentally ill doesn't necessarily make you unfit to be a student. I feel like Adam Vary would've just run with "if you want to kill yourself, that's fine."

#asked and answered #fandom racism #anti-reylo #john boyega #ray fisher #anti joss whedon #anthony mackie #adam b. vary #tw: suicide

[just-a-bunch-of-random-crap]

omg wow!! you mean a white man had a different experience with another white man than multiple women did??? that’s like sooo crazy 🙃

#tw joss whedon #the rookie #nathan fillion #firefly #joss whedon #feminism #buffy the vampire slayer

[alexthepleb]

Oh no. Oh dear God no. I'm on a re-watch of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm watching Season Six. Getting near the end. The next episode is...Oh No. I'm about to be watching THAT PARTICULAR episode. The worst one.

Fuck Joss Whedon for many things. But Good Grief...the episode I'm about to watch. Why, God. Why?

#buffy btvs #buffy the vampire slayer #joss whedon #buffy fandom #tw sex assault #seeing red

[yelenabelovarph]

SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR in BTVS 4.16

In the source link you will find gifs of Sarah Michelle Gellar as Faith Lehane & Buffy Summers in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, season four episode sixteen. It was released in the year of 2000. This gif pack includes some gifs with Alyson Hannigan, Marc Blucas, Anthony Head, Emma Caulfield Ford, Amber Benson, Kristine Sutherland, and N.Br/nd/n . Make sure to follow my rules, it is linked on my tumblr. if you would like to support my work you can donate on ko-fi. If you have any questions, concerns or comments feel free to send an ask.

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#sarah michelle gellar #sarah michelle gellar gif pack #gif pack #btvs gif pack #btvs #female faceclaim #ashkenazi jewish faceclaim #usermissy #supportcontentcreators #rph #rpc #gif hunt #mine #buffy summers #btvs s4 #tw joss whedon #tw nicholas brendon #tw btvs

[katiemcwrath]

Rewatched all of Buffy and on season 5 of my rewatch of Angel and wow Whedon really hated women.

#anti joss whedon #buffy the vampire slayer #angel the series #sexism tw

[mrtankhun-sebastian-elizabeth]

A Mothers Love

I have recently started to re-watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer again for like the 100th time and i am up to season 5 where we are introduced to Dawn (Buffy’s sister/ the key) and are going through that whole Glory phase. Oh also where Spike starts to realize how much in love he is with Buffy. 

But most importantly the storyline where Joyce (Buffy’s mother) is sick and will pass away in the coming episodes. 

While watching this season i have come to realize that the saddest death in Buffy isn't her own sacrifice, Spikes sacrifice, Tara’s death, Jenny calendars slaying nor Anya's death in battle (although all very heartbreaking and soul destroying deaths) but the death of Buffy’s own mother, Joyce.

However, the ultimate heartbreak doesn't flood in because Joyce is the mother of Buffy or one half of the parental figure for most of the scooby gang, but because her death was natural, unavoidable.  

Let me explain;

In a world of supernatural, of vampires and demons, of witches' and robots, their comes a reality that certain deaths are inevitable, not necessarily avoidable but kinda anticipated. However when the so called ‘anticipated’ death comes in the form of natural in a world of unnatural, the death itself feels unrealistic, not real. Especially when that death comes for a whole heartedly, pure and innocent character like Joyce. 

Joyce died of an aneurysm suddenly and painlessly while lying on her couch. The realization of the slayer to come to understand that the death of her mother is something so opposite to supernatural is unheard of. For someone, Buffy, who is given this responsibility at a young age to protect the natural world for the bad supernatural and to get stabbed in the back by this supposed ‘natural/innocent’ world by killing her mother is soul destroying. 

That's why i think Joyce's death is the saddest death in the series, because the fact is she is the only character that died a natural death, a death buffy and her gang can't blame anyone or anything for, a death that is at no ones fault besides the world Buffy is trying to protect. A death that the magical or the supernatural can’t reverse. 

Joyce’s death shows us that even in a world filled with the unrealistic, the unimaginable, the crazy - the only real thing and continues thing is death. Death doesn't care who you are, where you come form, what color your skin is, who your family is, what you do or have done, who you love or hate - once death has you in its sight, it will engulf you until you are no more. 

#buffy the vampire slayer #buffyedit #buffy #buffy x spike #joyce x buffy #mother #tw death #sad #joss whedon

[naamahdarling]

Y'all, if you like offbeat indie horror with a comedic tone, and you have Shudder, or can see it some other way, I really recommend A Ghost Waits.

Handyman Jack is sent to investigate why tenants keep abandoning a rental house, which turns out to be haunted by ghost Muriel, who is, herself, struggling with the same identity/purpose issues as Jack. It could have done so many things wrong, and it did them right. No big action sequences, this is all character and dialog.

It isn't for everyone. Not because it's gruesome or distressing or any of that. It's actually pretty light. It's just...weird and quirky, relatable, briefly a storm of wildly mixed feelings including brief intense sadness, then so fulfilling. And utterly not something that would go over in theaters.

The writing is sharp and funny without being too Joss-Whedon/MCU forced clever. The acting is middling but really sincere and saved by the unpretentiousness of the whole thing. The male lead is convincing and funny in just the right believable way - a lovable mess. The female lead is a bit stiff in her delivery but the emotion of her acting is spot on. She carried the part with her expressions.

It isn't a downer, but I have to issue a pretty strong suicide TW though. Not gory, but...yeah. If the movie worked for you to that point, you'll feel a lot.

[chilewithcarnage]

Discussions of fictional and real life SA and incest TW /

I was going to respond to that Utena ask you responded to a couple of days ago but I got distracted. Basically, the manga was created by a woman but she definitely had a bigger problem with exoticising south-Asian people and the manga is less critical of the bad shit happening.

The anime itself also (as discussed before) has the issue of depicting its only brown characters as either constant victims and perpetrators and it also has what fans call the ‘curry episode’, which is its own can of worms. The director gets a lot of praise from female shoujo fans for ‘not being exploitive’ in his depictions of incest and SA as it’s never really super explicit. He’s often seen as a male feminist by them but he’s fairly well-known amongst con staff to harass young female fans (I can send sources for this if you’d like), that’s hardly known in the fandom but I see him as the anime industry version of Joss Whedon.

So yeah, I do struggle with discussing the show in good-faith at this point and a lot of white fans are huge elitists with a problem of dismissing discussions of racism in the show especially.

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#anon #revolutionary girl utena