#jungian function theory

[sasukesharingan]

Basic Cognitive Functions Guide

As an MBTI enthusiast, I like making little guides and notes to help me visualize and process information, so here ya go!

Two Attitudes

Extroverted (E): Functions oriented towards the real world—views things as is without personal alignment and filtering. "Breadth."

Introverted (I): Functions oriented towards the subject's world—views things through personal alignment and filtering. "Depth."

Two Categories

*Judging

Judging Function (Jx): Reason—a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event—used to judge and decide.

Extraverted Judging (Je): Reasoning based on external effects. Looks at what should be.

Introverted Judging (Ji): Reasoning based on internal alignment. Looks at personalized principles.

*Perceiving

Perceiving Function (Px): Processes used in gathering or filtering information.

Extraverted Perceiving (Pe): Perceiving based on external exploration. Unfiltered gathering of information.

Introverted Perceiving (Pi): Perceiving based on internal narrowing down. Filtering information. 

Four Aspects

*Inter/personal ("emotional"): Human-based matters. *Impersonal ("logical"): Nonhuman-based matters.

Feeling Functions (Fx): Judgment metrics oriented towards people and inter/personal matters. Emotional reasoning.

Thinking Functions (Tx): Judgment metrics oriented towards things and impersonal matters. Logical reasoning.

Intuition Functions (Nx): Perceiving processes oriented towards intangible information. Abstract perception.

Sensing Functions (Sx): Perceiving processes oriented towards tangible information. Concrete perception.

Eight Cognitive Functions (putting it all together)

*Judging Functions:

Extraverted Feeling (Fe): Reasoning based on external inter/personal effects—emotional consequences. "What should be valued."

Extraverted Thinking (Te): Reasoning based on external impersonal effects—logical consequences. "What should work."

Introverted Feeling (Fi): Reasoning based on internal inter/personal alignment—emotional particularities. "What feels right to me."

Introverted Thinking (Ti): Reasoning based on internal impersonal alignment—logical particularities. "What makes sense to me."

*Perceiving Functions

Extraverted Sensing (Se): Perceiving based on external concrete exploration—unfiltered gathering of tangible information. "What is."

Extraverted Intuition (Ne): Perceiving based on external abstract exploration—unfiltered gathering of intangible information. "What if."

Introverted Sensing (Si): Perceiving based on internal concrete narrowing down—filtering tangible information. "What has been."

Introverted Intuition (Ni): Perceiving based on internal abstract narrowing down—filtering intangible information. "What will be."

I made this based on my understanding of Psychological Types by Carl Jung. Click here if you'd like to view the guide in a different format and see the direct quotes i used from Jung's book.

#mbti #carl jung #cognitive functions #myers briggs #fe #te #ti #fi #se #ne #si #ni #guide #typology #16 personalities #jungian theory #op

[phlve]

IN(F) — Introverted Intuition supported by Feeling

Continues to work instead of seeking treatment for failing health. Sometimes has phobias. Likes to go out, to dance, knows how to tell a stor. Experiences hypochondriac neuroses, claustrophobia. Before an important event experiences strong emotions, may lose appetite. he Is blind to his own hunger. He ponders what is the point of something, the meaning, symbolical nature. "What will this do for me?", he worries about what he can do to affect others, what are people thinking about, how society, the collective, perceives him, how his friends feel about him. He often smiles, has a cheerful nature, but it is usually fake, not so sincere. Neurotic, obsessive pedantic and egoist yet soft, friendly and welcoming. Expressive, he likes to maintain a comfortable emotional ambient, he focuses on making human relationships and Keeping everyone united. A hopeless romantic, prone to stalking crushes and compulsive overthinking They fall in love, they aren't loving, they are within limerence. "Teen love" - this is a good name for it. He idealizes everything, he doesn't has clear opinions, his beliefs are dictated by the collective: he either believes or gets skeptical about love, because he usually understands love only in a specific sense - the standard sense. When he thinks about emotions, he thinks about pop. mainstream. generalized emotions. Humanity for a long time idealized and represented love as romantic or erotic; so this type suffers from this: he easily believes in doing anything in the name of love, he would do anything for his loved ones, if he ever falls in love with someone, of course. Avoids showing his true feelings, he could be crying in one moment, and then in the other, he enters in a group, a collective, and he adapts to it, he stops crying and starts smiling, "acting". Very inclined to escapism, hallucinations, delusions and religion, ideology, existentialism and politics. He often relies on external sources, academics, he doesn't know how to explain things, so he needs to talk about his sources, he shows what people think, out of fear of being wrong. Anxious about being humiliated, he has a weak selt-esteem. The romantic dreamer likes to lay on a sofa with a book, or go to the countryside to spend time amidst nature. Many manifestations are inclined to cosplay, they like to live alternatives - finds ways to avoid boredom, uses old things and people in a new way and bringing the positive future into the present and past, staying light and hopeful in spite of anxieties. Struggles with videogames and orders: he is verv trial-and-error. He mav be cold. withdrawn. asocial. timid and extremely introverted; a gloomy figure with low confidence.

He hides his insecurities. runs into situations of trust and marriage. Intense connections. Fantasizes about people, delusional imagination of being accepted, praised. They find difficulty to express what they want, often times they do not realize what they wish in life; they ask people "how do you create interest?" because they lack actual desires and passions. Individualistic in some manner. Creates music, laments his own existence, prone to atheism, agnosticism. Diligent but unfocused, non-disciplined, often loses concentration, but he is always doing something - it could even be living in his dreams. He compares himself with other people, tends to be jealous, envious, yandere. Inclination towards mysticism and superstition, beliefs in prophetic dreams and omens. He is a person who is emotionally labile and uninhibited, does not control his own emotions, some manifestations of the type make fun of people and are sarcastic. Some versions, instead of comforting people with the warmth of his soul, begins to manipulate other people and act capricious and touchy. "Everything is wrong" and "things didn't turn out to be as desired". Many times expresses a desire to be hugged, to be protected and helped, he is weak and thinks of himself as someone "not prepared", he worries and worries. Some people of this type spend their time alone, don't have many friends (may not even have friends. He likes to dive himself in meditation. It is important to understand everything. Therefore, if you ask him about the difficult things sometimes, you can hear the answer that he understands them (only a very peculiar). It is important that everyone knew him as well. If understanding is impossible, that human self-esteem drops, so it does not like to admit that something is not understood. It is important to praise the consistency, likes to boast that he was up to something thought of himself. Often he loves to refer to some everyday stories, because nobody will not even think to check their authenticity, in general likes to refer to someone as a way to protect their reasoning. He is a person prone more to reflection than action. "If I understand correctly, then I am a good person". The fear of turning out to be incompetent greatly narrows down the areas in which the person dares to demonstrate or apply their knowledge. This type wants to solve his problems by collecting objective data. It is necessary to consult the experts, to obtain the data and results of studies, to receive objectively reliable new information. "Any unpleasant sensation or experience it's best to endure and wait over, than to seek how to improve one's state or move to another place that offers better conditions."

#personality theory #personality types #typology #cognitive functions #jung #jungian typology #in #ni #in(f) #infj

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#mbti #personality #cognitive functions #i’m just curious #polls #personality theory #jungian typology #typology #it’s pseudoscience but it’s fun #poll

[lurkingshan]

La Pluie Meta Round-up

Since many of us have decided to stop being normal about this show, I wanted to get a little more organized about tracking the great meta inspired by the episodes every week. Some of y’all are putting in work to write these amazing essays digging into the text and subtext of this show, and I want to make sure I’m not missing any of it, as well as have a central place to track my own. I thought this might also be a useful resource to others, especially anyone coming to the show late (please join us, this is the perfect moment to get into La Pluie). 

So without further ado, a round up of my favorite essays and posts to come out of the fandom on this excellent show. I will plan to update this each Saturday with the previous week’s meta as we go through the final four episodes. I tried my best to find everything but y'all know how faulty tumblr’s search and tag functions are, so if you think I missed something important, let me know!

First, the most crucial essay about La Pluie that everyone must read

We Must All Get Gayer and Louder About La Pluie Immediately (@bengiyo)

Second, a round up of some of the essays exploring the structure and intent of the story

Note: these may contain random spoilers for some episodes but are not specifically about any given episode

Four schools of thought on soulmates (@shortpplfedup)

Intentional subversion of the soulmate trope

Interrogating the romance genre (@chickenstrangers) 

La Pluie and the subversion of second lead syndrome

La Pluie and the subversion of the faen fatale

La Pluie: On the Lore 

Locations of La Pluie (@colourme-feral)

Name meanings in La Pluie (@recentadultburnout)

Narrative determinism versus genre determinism (@ginnymoonbeam)

On the subject of consent in recent bls (@williamrikers)

Romance tropes don’t work in real life (@heretherebedork) NEW

Romantic idealism in La Pluie (@ginnymoonbeam)

And finally, episode specific reactions and predictions

Note: These are spoilerific, starting at episode 4 aka when we all started really losing our minds over this show

Episode 4

Defying destiny (me and @bengiyo)

La Pluie Ep 4 And My Love Of Emotionally Available Characters (@bengiyo)

You (Yes, You!) Should be Watching La Pluie

Episode 5

La Pluie Ep 5 Stray Thoughts (aka birth of the Tai’s Dad is queer theory) (@bengiyo)

What we know about Patts (plus Shan and Ben’s vindication)

Working out the colors in La Pluie (@respectthepetty)

Episode 6

Hands in La Pluie Ep 6 (@wen-kexing-apologist)

La Pluie meets Nora Roberts (@syrena-del-mar)

On suspicion of Patts (@ginnymoonbeam)

Patts Was Going to Blow Tai. Tai Wanted It. Why That Matters. (@bengiyo)

You need to be watching La Pluie

Episode 7

Hands in La Pluie Ep 7 (@wen-kexing-apologist)

La Pluie: Maybe we will get a happy ending after all (@neuroticbookworm)

On the bed scene in Ep 7 (@ginnymoonbeam)

On the make out session in Ep 7 (@shouldiusemyname)

Episode 8

La Pluie and the Exploration of Romance, Competence, and Queerness (@bengiyo)

La Pluie: Do you still believe in soulmates?

La Pluie: The most important thing is that we really love each other

The Language of Love in La Pluie Ep 8 (@wen-kexing-apologist)

Third Child Syndrome: Birth Order Theory in La Pluie (@syrena-del-mar)

Episode 9

La Pluie and The Kind One (@sunshinechay)

Soulmate Skepticism vs Romanticism in La Pluie (@neuroticbookworm) 

the divine in me; the divine in you (@liyazaki)

The Kindness is the Point (@bengiyo)

The ultimate message of La Pluie

To love is a choice (@heretherebedork) 

What matters is CHOICE (@shortpplfedup)

Episode 10

A Jungian Perspective on La Pluie (@syrena-del-mar)

A Logical Love Doesn’t Exist (@fadelikeclouds)

break your own chains (@liyazaki)

Diving into Tai’s mind: Actions do not speak louder than words (@fadelikeclouds)

La Pluie: A Masterclass in Conflict Writing in Romance

La Pluie Breaks the Soulmate Bond

La Pluie: Not All Gays Are Great (@bengiyo)

La Pluie the Soundtrack (@shouldiusemyname)

Lomfon thoughts (@rocketturtle4)

On Tai’s isolation (@sunshinechay)

On villainising Patts (@shortpplfedup)

Pee Peerawich Can Fucking Act (@wen-kexing-apologist)

Revisiting episode 8

Similarities between Lomfon and Tai (@iguessitsjustme)

Tai and Patt’s incompatible conflict styles and Tais’ conflict avoidance (@ginnymoonbeam)

The Depths of Inner Turmoil (@syrena-del-mar)

The Soulmate Label (@indigostarfire)

Understanding the Core Four of La Pluie (@neuroticbookworm)

Episode 11

Balancing Self-Absorption and Love in La Pluie (@syrena-del-mar)

Checking in on the colors (@respectthepetty)

Connection (@wen-kexing-apologist)

Communication (@shouldiusemyname)

Even though they’ve separated it doesn’t mean they’ve failed (@chinzhilla)

It isn’t destiny- it’s freedom (@liyazaki)

La Pluie and the Aftermath

La Pluie: Thoughts on the Queer Subtext and More Patts Reflections (@bengiyo)

On Tai as a middle child of divorced parents (@slayerkitty)

On Tai’s special treatment within the family (@shortpplfedup)

Parenting in La Pluie, Episode 11 (@neuroticbookworm)

The narrative is letting Tai be unlikeable (@sunshinechay)

#la pluie #la pluie meta #thai bl #shan shouts into the void

[monocotyledons]

Soobin's MBTI and what it actually means

So Soobin went live today and retook the MBTI test, and he's an ISFP-A! Since he took the test live we actually have a record of his MBTI trait percentages, his responses, and even his thoughts on some of his responses. I thought it would be fun to do a little breakdown of his results and what they really mean from a personality psychology perspective! (Full disclosure: I am a research psychologist-in-training so I'll be applying what I know from my irl experiences.)

DISCLAIMERS: I don't know Soobin personally so all of my analyses will be based on his answers to the test as well as how he presents himself in public, such as lives, interviews, variety show appearances, etc. Also I am not affiliated with 16Personalities so I can't say with 100% certainty which test items are linked to which traits, and I don't know how their scoring system works, but I can make informed guesses based on my experiences with other personality tests.

Let's begin!

Prologue: The 16Personalities Franken-MBTI

For this case it's important that we talk about the version of the MBTI that Soobin took and how it works. He took the 16Personalities test, which is not the official version of the MBTI; that would be run by the Myers-Briggs Company (whose website is down as of this writing). The model of personality used by 16Personalities, called the NERIS model, is actually Frankenstein-ed from two different personality models - something they admit themselves in the theory section of their website:

With our NERIS® model, we’ve combined the best of both worlds. We use the acronym format introduced by Myers-Briggs for its simplicity and convenience, with an extra letter to accommodate five rather than four scales. However, unlike Myers-Briggs or other theories based on the Jungian model, we have not incorporated Jungian concepts such as cognitive functions, or their prioritization. Jungian concepts are very difficult to measure and validate scientifically, so we’ve instead chosen to rework and rebalance the dimensions of personality called the Big Five personality traits, a model that dominates modern psychological and social research.

Let's break down the two models used here.

The first is, of course, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, developed by Katharine Cook Briggs & Isabel Briggs Myers based on the work of Carl Jung. Classical MBTI is not based on personality traits but on cognitive functions, which are different ways of processing information around us: for example, the thinking function refers to the use of logical reasoning, while the feeling function refers to the use of value judgments. The goal of classical MBTI testing is to figure out which cognitive functions you use: which you default to, which helps your default, etc. This collection of cognitive functions is called a "stack," and your four-letter type tells you what the stack is made of.

The problem with cognitive functions is that they're virtually impossible to validate scientifically (even typologists can't agree on what a cognitive function is exactly), which is why they've fallen out of favor within mainstream research psychology. I don't know if the official MBTI test uses them (since their website is down I can't check), but plenty of unofficial MBTI tests don't, instead preferring the trait approach we're all familiar with. Are you introverted or extraverted? Are you a thinker or a feeler? etc.

This approach has its own issues (which I touch on a bit here), but it's the approach that 16Personalities also uses. Which brings me to the second model they use...

While the 16P test looks like MBTI, its content is actually based on the Five-Factor model, also known as the Big Five. The Big Five is actually a really good model with lots of scientific research to back it up, and (full disclosure!) it's my preferred model of personality. The premise behind the Big Five is that even though there are hundreds or even thousands of ways to describe human personality - just open a dictionary and look at how many words can be used to describe people - there are underlying patterns in our descriptions. For example, a person who is honest will most likely also be trustworthy. A person who is gregarious will most likely also be friendly. And so on.

By collecting real-world data from people in different cultures and using some special statistical techniques, researchers like Paul Costa & Robert McCrae were able to uncover these patterns as five personality traits: openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. (More on those later.)

I want to emphasize here that none of these personality traits are inherently good or bad. They can be bad in extremes, but the vast majority of people don't fall on those extremes anyway, and being high or low in a certain trait has its advantages and disadvantages. Your score in a trait can be good for some things, but not for others.

In the 16P NERIS model, each letter in your type corresponds not to a classical MBTI function, but to a Big Five personality trait. To make up for the fact that the Big Five has (duh) five traits and MBTI only has four, a fifth letter in the type was added. The resulting test from this is what Soobin took today.

Soobin's results, a Big Five perspective

Here I'll be looking at Soobin's results for each of the 16P traits and discussing what they mean. I'll support this with his responses to the test items (credits to translatingTXT on twitter for saving all of them), as well as things he's done or said publicly in the past.

Introverted/Extraverted

In classical MBTI typology, introversion/extraversion actually refers to your orientation when processing information: an extraverted orientation uses the external world (such as real-world rules and norms) as a frame of reference, while an introverted orientation uses the internal world (such as your personal beliefs and interpretations). But in the modern sense - including in the Big Five - this trait refers to the kind of energy you seek in the environment. This includes sociability - the social environment that you seek - but it also includes how stimulating your environment is overall. Extraverts are generally energetic and like stimulating environments, and are also more prone to positive emotions like joy and excitement.

Soobin scored 74% Introverted, and he's an introvert through and through; he likes being by himself and doing his own thing, and he finds social situations exhausting. But I also think that he's a great example of personality traits being different from skills. Sure, Soobin's an introvert, but he's got really good social skills; his personality probably means that these skills don't come as naturally to him, but he's still capable of learning them. He probably learned a lot during his time as Music Bank MC, and he's not afraid to go up to people and talk to them for life advice. And even though leadership isn't something he prefers especially compared to an extravert (see his answer below), it's clear that the members respect him as a leader and seek him out for help.

Observant/Intuitive (Openness to Experience)

In classical MBTI, this aspect of personality is called Sensing vs. Intuition, and refers to your use of two different cognitive functions: sensing refers to reliance on the five senses for information, while intuition refers to reliance on inner meanings and hidden symbols. The NERIS model reworks this into Observant vs. Intuitive (neither of which start with S or N, I know) to better fit the Big Five trait that their version is based on: openness to experience.

The trait of openness reflects a person's attitude towards things that aren't necessarily grounded in day-to-day reality - the abstract, the unconventional, the creative. People high in openness enjoy abstract ideas and intellectual pursuits, are often creative and imaginative, and don't mind ambiguity. People low in openness prefer things that are conventional and concrete, want things to have straightforward utility and a clear message.

Soobin's score is 64% Observant ("observant" here meaning low openness) - generally he prefers conventional, but I think he's close enough to a 50% average to say that he isn't purely a practical guy. He is, after all, an idol - people high in openness are often drawn to artistic pursuits, which includes music and performance. He has mentioned being interested in artistic things, like wanting to play the electric guitar.

But while Soobin definitely has a level of artistic interest, he seems more content in enjoying what he knows rather than expanding, and he's pretty secure in what he likes and dislikes - and I think this is where his Observant score comes in. Like, this is a guy whose favorite song in his own discography was Our Summer for the longest time before it was dethroned by Skipping Stones. He's also mentioned that he only participates in songwriting when the topic interests him, but isn't necessarily invested in it as a craft:

"I participate in writing the lyrics if the theme interests me. The tracks in this album [Temptation] all have interesting themes, you'll see when you get the album and see the lyrics too. They all have topics that I personally think and imagine about my life, so I participated in the lyric writing this time." (The Name Chapter: Temptation Recording Behind the Scenes)

Thinking/Feeling (Agreeableness)

I struggle with interpreting this one because I'm not exactly sure what the NERIS version of this trait is trying to measure. In classical MBTI (as mentioned above), the thinking function is about processing the objective content of information (logic, truth value), while the feeling function is about processing its subjective content (e.g. how well it conforms to certain values). The version of T/F commonly seen in pop-psych is "head or heart" - do you make decisions based on just the facts or on your feelings? But psychological research shows that this is a false dichotomy - we rely on our emotions to help think through things, and they often provide us with useful information. Happiness tells us things are going well, fear and anxiety tell us something is threatening us, and so on.

Nevertheless, NERIS tries to incorporate elements of this together with the Big Five trait it's drawing from, agreeableness. While extraversion is about how well you fit into social situations, agreeableness is about how you treat people in them. People high in agreeableness try to live in social harmony by getting along with others and practicing virtues that make things easier for them. People low in agreeableness might come across as abrasive, but they're also less sensitive to hate from others and more willing to take actions that might be unpopular.

Soobin's score is a 54% Feeling ("feeling" here meaning high agreeableness), and here we see the limitations of trait-style MBTI. The dichotomous nature of a trait hides what's going on; Soobin uses Feeling on paper, but in reality he's in the middle. This should be more apparent when we look at his responses and how he acts around others.

His agreeable side seems to come out more often when it comes to his circle of loved ones: his friends and family, the members, and MOAs. He's not afraid to show kindness and gratitude towards them and is touched when they do the same for him. One of his motivations for being an idol is wanting to give love to fans and appreciate the love they give back, and he clearly treats the idol-fan relationship as a special one.

On the other hand, Soobin has no problem brushing off or even standing up to haters, and he's said that he has no intentions of trying to please people who dislike him. A person higher in agreeableness (or Feeling, in this case) would be a bit more concerned about trying to appease them.

This in-the-middle mix of agreeableness is, honestly, a pretty good thing to have in a leader or an idol. You need a healthy amount of it to express love for your members, your staff, and your fans. But you also need a thick skin to withstand unfounded criticism, as well as a tolerance for conflict even when it's socially unpleasant.

Judging/Prospecting (Conscientiousness)

In classical MBTI, this dimension is called Judging/Perceiving. It's not a pair of functions but instead a reference to help you figure out the functions in your stack: thinking and feeling are judging functions, sensing and intuition are perceiving functions. Like with S/N, NERIS renames this into Judging/Prospecting to better fit the Big Five trait it's drawing from, conscientiousness.

The trait of conscientiousness refers to one's ability to get things done and follow things through. People high in conscientiousness like to plan things in detail, are organized and goal-oriented, and generally finish what they start. People low in conscientiousness are more spontaneous and adaptable, dislike routine, and prefer to go with the flow.

Soobin's score is 86% Prospecting ("prospecting" here meaning low conscientiousness). I feel like this trait is harder to see for idols because they're always on company-mandated schedules of activities, but a really good example of this trait in action is his vacation in Japan vlog. Planning an itinerary doesn't come naturally to him, and he's okay with not following a strict sightseeing schedule so that he can relax more. For example, Soobin and his friend plan to go straight to an onsen on the second day of their trip, but they oversleep and have no problems changing their plans to just shopping and eating. They do get to the onsen eventually, but they're in no rush to. At one point in the video he even mentions his P trait as why planning is so hard for him (his score at the time was 96% P).

"This is my first time planning a trip abroad by myself. I boarded the plane myself, moved around, booked the hotel and planned everything myself. [...] Whenever I take an MBTI test I get like a 96% P, I didn't realize traveling was so hard." (15:47 - 16:39 of video)

This Weverse magazine quote also captures his spontaneous approach towards activities pretty well:

Assertive/Turbulent (Neuroticism)

This trait is exclusive to the NERIS model and was added to the four existing letters of MBTI to accommodate the additional trait of the Big Five. My biggest criticism of the NERIS model is that it treats A/T as an accessory to the other four traits instead of a trait of its own; ISFP-A and an ISFJ-A are treated as different types, but ISFP-A and ISFP-T are variations of the same type. It's not uncommon for people to leave out their A/T score when they talk about their 16Personalities results.

A/T is based on the Big Five trait of neuroticism, which is just as important as the other four - it predicts depression and anxiety disorders, for example. This trait reflects how we handle negative and stress-inducing events; people high in neuroticism feel stress easily, are prone to negative emotions like sadness and anxiety, and are more likely to self-criticize. People low in neuroticism might feel stress less, but might have a harder time registering risks and threats.

Soobin's score here is 65% assertive ("assertive" here meaning low neuroticism), again close to the average but with a leaning towards the low side. Again, this isn't an easy trait to observe in idols because a lot of the processes and actions associated with it are private and internal. But it does crop up from time to time, usually in per-performance nerves and jitters, but Soobin has mentioned that he's not the type who gets nervous easily. His answer here on how he handles stress also reflects this trait:

"I'm optimistic if you put it nicely, or some could say I'm shallow. So even if I get mad, I forget it quickly and easily. I believe that time will solve everything. So it's either the case gets resolved or my emotions die out, making me struggle less. I just think like that." (11:44 - 12:04 in video)

He's also not too critical of himself, which is pretty valuable in a profession where you're subjected to constant criticism as early are your trainee period. Not that Soobin is blind to his flaws; rather, he's not the type to get too worked up about them.

Final Thoughts

The major flaw of personality systems based on type (like classical MBTI and NERIS) is that the nuances of one's behavior are often lost in an easy-to-remember acronym that puts people into strict categories. The Big Five in its original form refers to the traits as continuums - you can be low, average, or high in a trait, often reflected as a percentile ranking based on how you compare to other test-takers - but even then, you don't see things like context or learned skills that may or may not match up with one's personality.

I've tried to untangle Soobin's personality here not just based on a catchy acronym type, but based on what those traits actually mean, how high or low they actually are, and on how they appear in context. I hope this little analysis will give a bit more insight not just on Soobin himself but also on how personality works!

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tags for those interested: @goldennika @starburstfloat @mazeinthemoon @huenation

#soobin #txt soobin #tubatu #also sorry for any typos or incoherent bits i did not proofread this lol #feel free to ask questions and i can explain!

[omegaphilosophia]

Theories of the Philosophy of Literature

The philosophy of literature encompasses various theories that explore the nature, purpose, and significance of literature. Here are some prominent theories in this field:

Mimetic Theory: This theory, associated with Aristotle, suggests that literature imitates or reflects aspects of the real world. It focuses on the representation of human actions and characters.

Expressive Theory: This perspective emphasizes the expression of the author's emotions, thoughts, and experiences through literature. The work is seen as a medium for the author's self-expression.

Aesthetic Theory: Aesthetic theories, such as those by Immanuel Kant, focus on the intrinsic beauty and form of literature. They explore how literature provides aesthetic experiences and engages the imagination.

Reader-Response Theory: This theory considers the role of the reader in interpreting and giving meaning to a literary work. It suggests that meaning is not solely derived from the author's intentions but is co-created by the reader.

Structuralism and Semiotics: These theories, associated with figures like Roland Barthes, analyze the underlying structures and signs in literature. They explore how language and symbols create meaning.

Deconstruction: Developed by Jacques Derrida, deconstruction challenges fixed meanings in literature. It emphasizes the instability of language and the presence of multiple interpretations.

Feminist Literary Criticism: This approach examines literature through the lens of gender and challenges patriarchal norms. It explores how literature reflects and reinforces societal attitudes toward women.

Postcolonial Theory: Postcolonial literary criticism examines works in the context of colonialism and its aftermath. It explores how literature addresses issues of power, identity, and cultural representation.

Psychoanalytic Literary Criticism: Drawing from Freudian and Jungian theories, this approach explores the psychological dimensions of characters and narratives in literature. It delves into unconscious motivations and symbolism.

Ethical Criticism: Ethical theories in literature examine the moral implications and ethical choices presented in literary works. It considers how literature engages with ethical questions and influences readers' moral perspectives.

Cultural Criticism: Cultural theories analyze literature in the context of cultural practices, beliefs, and values. They explore how literature reflects and shapes cultural identities.

Narrative Theory: Narrative theorists examine the structure and function of narratives in literature. They explore how stories are constructed and how they contribute to our understanding of the world.

These theories offer diverse perspectives for interpreting and understanding the complexities of literature.

#philosophy #epistemology #knowledge #learning #chatgpt #education #Philosophy of Literature #Literary Theory #Literary Criticism #Hermeneutics #Aesthetics #Literary Interpretation #Reader-Response Theory #Deconstructionism #Feminist Literary Theory #Psychoanalytic Literary Theory #Postcolonial Literary Theory

[acorpsecalledcorva]

Ok last night's research was wild and I would genuinely appreciate input and other thoughts on these ideas, especially if you've come across these before as I don't think I've seen them discussed. I was actually just looking into the idea of DID being a disorder or multiple realities as highlighted by Kluft but then I ended up in a rabbit hole.

Functional Dissociation of the Self: The Psychological and Sociological Self

So first of all I was reading this paper

Which is really really good, it's massive, absolutely huge, but incredibly thorough and explores how different kinds of trauma are predictive of different disorders and presentations across PTSD, DPDR, Dissociative depression, and complex Dissociative disorders.

But quite early on it mentions the work of Sar and Ozturk and this concept of the Psychological and Sociological Self, so what's that?

(this is just an abstract but it also appears in Dissociation and the Dissociative Disorders DSM V and Beyond so you might be able to read it in a Google books preview)

This paper kind of proposes a new idea, my initial thoughts are that the authors aren't exactly exploring new ground so much as redrawing the map, however, it does seem to be that their perspective has merit in application. The idea is that everyone has these two selves, the psychological self is that deeper true self, it's your creativity and your reason, all that behind the scenes good stuff that makes up you. The sociological self is much more influenced by culture, it's behaviour and social conditioning and belief, the things we project outwardly about ourselves.

If this sounds familiar it's because it absolutely is, it's all very Jungian and Freudian and the authors admit to this. Where they differ though is the amount of agency given to the selves. Neither is a passive observer but instead a duality of the self that works in parallel as a team. These guys are also not afraid to get political in their writing and highlight how a culture that is at odds with the psychological self can give rise to extremist behaviours through overelaboration of the sociological self. There's a great bit in one of their papers about the kind of person who swings politically from far right to far left, it's wild.

When it comes to trauma, they propose that dissociation arises when the Sociological Self attempts to bury the psychological self to protect it. For instance, in the example of betrayal trauma from a caregiver, the psychological self would be the part of you that is hardwired to remain attached to said caregiver, while the sociological self recognises the danger. The SS pushes the PS down to protect it from the external reality, however, the authors suggest that the SS is unequipped to deal with this effectively without the PS's help.

Interestingly, they also suggest that the SS attempts to deal with trauma by distorting the reality of it. It repeats a version of the trauma to try and solve, unsuccessfully, and everytime it repeats it changes so that the trauma becomes retraumatising. This is important because this is where the sociocognitive aspect comes in, because when we are unable to rely on the internal solutions of the PS we turn our attention outward. Fantasy proneness, then, would result in unreliable narration of traumatic events based on attempts by the SS to reconcile trauma from external sources. Pseudomemories. The trauma is real, and a hard copy is stored in the psychological self, but when the SS acts as a barrier to the PS then that core trauma is inaccessible. That's why it's important to focus on the feelings behind the trauma as those remain true.

In this model, alter identity formation arises from the discrete packaging of trauma that is set aside, and an attempt by the psychological self to connect with the external world and creates a new sociological self. This is very relevant to me as it pertains to how I experience alters, that there's a pool of fragments (discrete trauma packages) and, when required, an alter emerges from this pool and passes through my social conditioning to create the identity aspect of the alters sense of self. The biographical data of the alter is therefore formed from my sociological self's interpretation of external sources (be they archetypal or direct copies of media).

This disconnect of the PS and SS leads to an underdevelopment of the psychological self and an over development of the sociological self. This is what, in the authors opinion, leads to the paradoxical phenomena of a lack of neuroplasticity (no new solutions for trauma are found) and high adaptability (new alter identities in traumatic or stressful situations) found in CDD patients. It also means that the psychological self remains a child with a strong drive towards protection and nurturing, but therefore, retains it's sensitivity towards betrayal and therefore need for protection.

Now, this is the extra wild bit, because the authors propose that reconnection and engagement with the psychological self should be the primary goal of psychotherapy and if successful then the PS can rapidly develop and resolve trauma.

In this paper

The authors highlight the main barrier to access of the psychological self, the trauma self. The TS is an aspect of the over developed sociological self. It contains a distorted sense of reality, one of hopelessness and helplessness, and projects this reality internally. Think of it like a recursive version of Plato's allegory of the cave. The trauma self sits inside the cave, miserable, but afraid of the shadows on the wall and therefore unable to leave. Those shadows are then projected inwards to internal parts onto their own cave wall. This creates a bidirectional phobia of the internal and external world. Internal protector parts are hyper vigilant against a distorted view of the external world, and the host alter becomes phobic of the internal parts which they view as irrational, frightening, and dangerous (hello, this is me).

Now, this is the bit that seems insane to me and what I would love others opinion on, because the authors seem to suggest that persecutory parts hold the resolution skills for processing trauma, and if the host would only stop being prejudiced against them (like, actually, not like liberal white women who support BLM but lock their car doors when they see someone looking a little too urban) and let the persecutors do what they were originally designed for then recovery is incredibly swift and effective. One case study took 6 sessions. They also claim that patients have had no relapses up to 7 years after treatment.

So, this to me seems way to good to be true (or maybe that's my treatment resistant trauma self talking 😅). There must surely be counter arguments to this model on limitations or impracticalities. The first paper I linked seems quite thoroughly in support of this model, but I'm pretty sure that it's the first time I've come across it. Does anyone else know more about this? Has it been done to death and thoroughly debunked? Are there discussions by other big names in the field? Help a sister out

#syscourse #sysconversation #sysblr #system community #dissociative identity disorder #did system #actually traumatised #long ass post #sorry about that

[sp6ghetti]

ok so i was the one who asked abt the how can u be infj but also nifi, so you're typing yourself using the original jungian method when you say that and not the myers briggs. what i'm getting is that according to jung, it's not necessary for the second function to be extraverted or introverted, so an niti is intj, as well as nite? or tini and tine? I wanna know if i got it correct!

Yes, pretty much, I’m not a huge fan of Myers-Briggs’ theory, so I tend to use Jungian in general while still referring to myself as an INFJ because honestly it's just more convenient. She got a bunch of the theory wrong, such as the judgement/perceiving or rational/irrational dichotomy, but I'll get back to that later. Loops, or the idea that NiFi would be INTJ isn't something Myers-Briggs ever mentioned either, this is an idea that was created on tumblr itself as far as I'm aware, same as grips. Jung didn't really value the introversion or extroversion of the secondary function, as a person's cognition is either gonna have a preference for introversion or extroversion regardless. To Jung's theory, the dichotomy between secondary feeling/thinking and sensation/intuition depending on the dominant function is much more important than that between its extroversion or introversion.  So getting back to the weird thing with the irrational/rational dichotomy in mbti. Myers-Briggs decided this based on the first extroverted function, which is weird, because that makes types with an irrational (perceiving) function, such as Ni, rational and vice versa. If you've ever looked into socionics, this might sound familiar to you, as the socionics types, written in mbti format, don't use the Myers-Briggs switcheroo, and stay true to Jung's theory in that sense. So if you want to get technical, TiNe and TiNi are INTJ, but considering more people study mbti than Jungian or socionics, it's often far more convenient to just stick with INTP for TiNx and INTJ for NiTx.

#typology #mbti #jungian typology #socionics #16 personalities #infj #intp #intj

[novafire-is-thinking]

Transformers Robot Husband Poll: MBTI Types

A few of you have seen me mention this special interest of mine, but the rest of you are new. Hello, and welcome. I’d like to talk about our Round Three* contenders in light of personality typology, specifically the MBTI theory based on Jungian typology.

(*Why 3 instead of 4? Because I’d planned to post this yesterday and already had those characters listed.)

Yes, I’m aware this is classified as a pseudoscience. Yes, I put a questionable amount of stock in it. Now you see why I’d get along with Drift so well. 😛 This post is for fun, so please don’t take it as seriously as I am unless you’re genuinely curious. The main goal of this post is to present some interesting observations related to the correlation between who are most desirable fictional husbands and their MBTI types. That’s it. A TL;DR is at the end for the Blurrs among you. Anyway, here we go:

While I’m sure most of you have at least heard of MBTI, you should know that it’s not just the four-letter dichotomies: I vs. E, T vs. F, etc. I won’t bore you with the details; I just want you to be aware that mainstream culture has watered down the theory to a four-letter code when there’s far more complexity beneath the surface. Cognitive functions, function axes, etc.

Without further ado, here are the contenders from Round Three (the versions I know best) and what I think each one’s most likely type is:

Cyclonus - ISTJ (IDW)

Whirl - ESTP (IDW)

Misfire - ENTP (IDW)

Ratchet - ISTJ (IDW, TFP, TFA)

Heatwave - ESTJ (Rescue Bots)

Knockout - ESTP (TFP)

Drift - INFP or INFJ (IDW) / ISTJ (RiD15)

Breakdown - ISFP (TFP)

Shockwave - INTJ (IDW, Cyberverse) / INTP (TFP)

Skids - ENTP (IDW)

Soundwave - ISTJ (TFP, IDW, G1) / ISTP (Cyberverse)

Starscream - ENTP (TFP, IDW, G1)

Wheeljack - ISTP (TFP) / ENTP (Cyberverse)

Blaster* - ESFP (G1)

Perceptor - INTP (IDW, Cyberverse, G1)

Jazz* - ESFP or ENFP (G1, RiD15)

Skyfire* - INFJ? (G1)

Tarantulas - ENTP (IDW)

Thundercracker* - ENTP? (G1)

Brainstorm - ENTP (IDW)

Swindle - ENTP (TFA)

*I just skimmed their TFwiki page and guessed.

Bold text means I’m certain of my conclusion.

“What does all of it mean though?”

Well, it tells me that the fandom really loves their xNTPs and xSTJs. You may have no idea what that means on a detailed level, and that’s fine. The short version is that people either love down-to-earth guys who are dependable and know how to get stuff done or the funny guys who have a nerdy, creative, or rebellious streak. This is obvious just from looking at the results and tags, but it’s interesting to me that the overall trends can also be seen through the lens of MBTI.

Now, for the fun part: I’m expecting the semifinal contenders to be Cyclonus, Knockout, Soundwave, and Jazz. Their respective types are ISTJ, ESTP, ISTJ, and ESFP (or ENFP). Once again, opposing temperaments. (i.e. ISxJ vs. ESxP)

Furthermore, the projected finalists are Cyclonus and Soundwave—both of whom are ISTJs. The conclusion is that, despite the appeal of the xNxP guys, ISTJ characters are more likely than any other type to be seen as good husband material, which lines up perfectly with the general stereotypes associated with ISTJs.

TL;DR - The majority of the fandom agrees that ISTJ characters are peak (stereotypical) husband material, and a deeper look at the type would reveal that they are absolutely correct.

#transformers #maccadam #robot husband poll #nova talks mbti

[autolenaphilia]

I don’t like the term “toxic masculinity” that much. And I recently learned that the concept did not originate in feminist theory, but in the “mythopoetic men’s movement”. It was a thing in the 80s and 90s before dying out and being essentially replaced by the more openly anti-feminist and misogynistic men’s rights movement. It was basically a new age take on Jungian psychology, and its gender essentialism. Basically it argued that in industrial society men had lost touch with their primal, natural “deep masculinity”. Men had either become effeminate or developed an aggressive, violent, emotionally repressive and hypercompetitive “toxic masculinity”. And its solution for this was self-help meetings with weird rituals based on new age Jungian stuff to help men recover this deep masculinity.

The concept of toxic masculinity was essentially these men movement people’s answer to the feminist criticism of masculinity as violent, oppressive, emotionally repressive, (trans)misogynistic and homophobic. They argued that it was not real masculinity, but some aberration of modern industrial capitalism that men were taught. Whereas real “deep masculinity” was natural to men and universal, existing beyond any historical context. This gender essentialism was not new, but derived from Jung’s ideas. He thought both masculinity and femininity as intrinsic and universal parts of the human collective unconscious, expressed in the myths of every culture of the world.

It’s bullshit of course, Jungian psychology is basically a fantasy worldbuilding exercise masquerading as psychology. It’s theories are both unproven and unfalsifiable. There is no primal, natural masculinity (or femininity), but instead all masculinities are product of the society and historical context in which they exist.

Yet this concept of “toxic masculinity” got taken up ten years later by feminists sometime in 00s, to describe basically the same thing. It’s the bad parts of masculinity, the misogyny, the homophobia, the violence, the emotional repression. It is usually put into opposition to a healthy, positive masculinity that is feminist and non-misogynist. That idea of a healthy masculinity is inherently implied by a concept of toxic masculinity, because you wouldn’t need the adjective “toxic” otherwise. It’s not always explicit, but it’s almost always implied.

Anti-feminist right-wingers of course gets outraged about the use of the term, arguing it stigmatizes masculinity as a whole. But as feminists who use it like to point out, it’s literally a way of saying “not all masculinity”. Not that the anti-feminists care, it’s a culture war battleground now.

Toxic masculinity has thus been appropriated from the men’s movement. But I strongly doubt we have really taken the gender essentialism or even the anti-feminism out of it.

I don’t think you can neatly remove the (trans)misogyny and violence from masculinity, because any culturally relevant concept of masculinity is shaped by the society in which it exists. And we exist in a deeply patriarchal, transmisogynist and violent society. Any idea of how men should be and act is shaped by that.

The transmisogyny, the violence, the homophobia, the emotional repression is not an aberration, but part of the core values of hegemonic masculinity, a core part of the function masculinity plays in a patriarchy. And what it does is give power to men and instructs them to use that power in violent ways against all women and girls, cis or trans, or degendered “others” to keep them in line and keep the system going. This power is only given to men who perform masculinity correctly, and those who are AMAB and fail or don’t perform masculinity are punished, again to control them in service of the system. (I talked before about the myth of trans women’s male socialization and the basic problem with that framework is that it assumes trans women in childhood were the perpetrators of such patriarchal violence, instead of the truth that most often we are its victims.)

The violence, the (trans)misogyny, the homophobia of masculinity, it all serves a purpose in this patriarchal system. The concept of toxic masculinity misses out on this because it isn’t rooted in any meaningful systemic analysis. It doesn’t see patriarchal violence and masculinity in the context of a system of laws, institutions and norms of which it is a part. Instead masculinity is seen as a cause in itself of patriarchal misogynist attitudes and violence.

In the toxic masculinity framing, such problems are seen as being caused by some kind of aberrant cultural sickness in men. The modern feminist use of the concept and that of the mythopoetic men’s movement is essentially the same analysis in this case, just worded differently. It’s a re-iteration of the idealist thinking of the neo-Jungians from which the concept is taken, instead of a material systemic analysis.

And the solution is similar. Instead of systemic and material changes, boys and men are to be re-educated into a healthy sense of masculinity. An industry of educational programs have sprung up to deal with toxic masculinity. We are right back at the mythopoetic men’s movement self-help meetings to help men develop a healthy masculinity. If you take analysis of problems from a self-help movement, your solutions are almost inevitably self-help. I think these programs can be helpful for many boys and men, but it can’t be a solution for (trans)misogynist violence when there are strong systemic incentives for men to ignore what they are saying.

The concept of a healthy feminist masculinity is essentially the neo-jungian concept of a “deep masculinity” being given a feminist spin. But it doesn’t remove the gender essentialist roots of the idea of masculinity entirely removed from the patriarchal societal context in which we live. It’s an idealist solution rather than a solution based in systemic and material change.

In fact, toxic masculinity discourse ultimately reinforces gender roles and gender essentialism. By framing the alternatives as toxic patriarchal masculinity and a positive healthy masculinity, there is still the expectation that men and boys are to be masculine. It doesn’t challenge the idea that it’s shameful for men and boys to be feminine, the misogynist attitude that femininity is lesser than masculinity, especially in men and boys. Often the idea of healthy masculinity involves men and boys adopting some traits conventionally deemed feminine, such as open emotional expression, but feels the need to arbitrarily re-define them as masculine, thus reinforcing this hierarchy.

The feminist appropriation of the concept of “toxic masculinity” has thus not been able to cleanse it of the anti-feminist gender essentialism at its source.

The solution is not of course to condemn anyone who acts in conventionally masculine ways or self-identifies as masculine, as long as they don’t harm anyone else to prove their manlinesss. Especially not anyone trans. This also applies to femininity. This kind of moralism, you are either gender non-conforming and a good feminist, or gender conforming and a bad feminist, is just not helpful. It’s again blaming individuals gender expression for systemic issues, and seeing some form of lifestylism as a solution. Fighting for the rights of gender non-conforming people, whether cis or trans, is important, but it’s not as simple as blaming feminine women and masculine men for their plight. Instead it’s to criticize gender roles and stereotypes, rather than people who happen to conform to them.

It’s especially odious when applied to trans people. Claiming trans women being conventionally feminine and trans men being conventionally masculine are upholding gender roles is bizarre, since gender roles in our society, seen as a systemic force, aren’t trans-inclusive. It assumes some mythical version of gender roles which doesn’t misgender trans people. Thus trans people inherently subvert the gender binary and gender roles by rejecting their AGAB.

It’s just that the concept of toxic masculinity isn’t helpful. It isn’t good feminist theory, because it doesn’t originate in feminist theory. It doesn’t place the masculine behaviours it deems toxic in a systemic context of our patriarchal society. Instead it’s probably more helpful to look to thinkers who do actual feminist analysis of masculinity like Raewyn Connell and her concept of hegemonic masculinity. She is a trans woman, a fact that is probably not incidental to her interest and analysis of masculinity. Her research has been misused by the toxic masculinity discourse, but it actually contradicts its assumptions. It doesn’t see masculinity as just one thing that is only bad, but also sees the (trans)misogynistic violence of hegemonic masculinity as serving a purpose in a patriarchal society of reinforcing its hierarchies.

#my writings #toxic masculinity #feminism

[thedandelionthief]

Do u know about OPS (objective personality system)? It presents a much easier way to type but I wann hear others opinions on it O_O

i know a little! OPS has always been rather overwhelming to me, because of the 512 possible types as well as the feminine/masculine aspect. i’ve tried to learn it, but i’m very into classic jungian functions, so i guess it’s hard for me to wrap my head around. what’s your opinion on the jumper theory part of it?

i would love to hear more about how you type using OPS. i haven’t seen many people who like it, so it’s interesting to talk about!

#mail

[pluralgang-practitioners]

[TL;DR: Trying to learn about Shadow Work as it pertains to occult spaces, resources of all sorts welcome; formal and scholarly ones included in the conversation and appreciated with about twenty heart emojis that I cannot use on desktop.]

The behavioral psychology special interest in me wants to research classic shadow work and talk about it in the context of shadow work in the occult sphere and how both contrast to plural experiences, but:

I do not want to read Jung right now (we have grad school to apply to and a full time job)

I have no clue where to even start researching shadow work in the occult sphere

I would be torn between buying a copy of [insert textbook here] for myself and just borrowing it from the library because my English Major instincts demand annotation but

The frugal bitches in back do not want to buy more books if they aren't ones we want to keep on our shelves lmao

But also... hear me out: we want to focus on the literary theory of psychoanalysis in grad school (specifically modernizing it to distance from Freud like actual psychology has for the most part). Talking about Jung could be fun.

It could be a little treat.

Or I could just look up research articles since our library also has those and we've a functioning printer at home for annotation lmao. Would also probably provide useful context to Jungian psychology, rather than just jumping in with zero context.

That said, anyone with resources on shadow work as pertaining to how you use it in your spiritual life would be welcome in our notifications. Hence why we're finally maintagging some shit for once in our life.

(This comparative analysis was prompted by a podcast we listened to today and the fact that I know a few plurals that have talked a little bit about Jungian psychology from the perspective of plurality.)

-Nova

#witchblr #witchcraft #pluralgang #ramblings #nova talks #genuinely don't know what other tags to put #the only reason we don't maintag shit is because we don't know what tags anyone uses in this community lmao #also deciding to post this after letting it ferment in drafts for a day because i mentioned it in something i just posted #i've been thinking about this almost all day #crossposting to PG because maybe some folks there have interesting things to add too

[phlve]

The Introverted Sensation Type // Inferior Extraverted Intuition

Many years ago, in the Psychological Club, we had a meeting at which members were asked to describe their type in their own words, instead of just quoting Jung's book on the types. Members were to describe how they experienced their own superior function. I have never forgotten an excellent paper that Mrs. Jung gave. It was only after hearing it that I felt I understood the introverted sensation type. In describing herself, she said that the introverted sensation type was like a highly sensitized photographic plate.

When somebody comes into the room, such a type notices the way the person comes in, the hair, the expression on the face, the clothes, and the way the person walks. All this makes a very precise impression on the introverted sensation type; every detail is absorbed. The impression comes from the object to the subject; it is as though a stone fell into deep water - the impres-I sion falls deeper and deeper and sinks in. Outwardly, the introverted sensation type looks utterly stupid. He just sits and stares, and you do not know what is going on within him. He looks like a piece of wood with no reaction at all - unless he reacts with one of the auxiliary functions, thinking or feeling. But inwardly the impression is being absorbed.

The introverted sensation type, therefore, gives the impression of being very slow, which is not actually the case. It is only that the quick inner reac tions go on underneath, and the outer reaction comes in a delayed way. These are the people, if told a joke in the morning, will probably laugh at midnight. This type is very often misjudged and misunderstood by others because one does not realize what goes on within. If such a type can express his photographic impressions artistically, they can be reproduced either in painting or in writing. I have a strong suspicion that Thomas Mann was such an introverted sensation type. He describes every detail of a scene, and in his descriptions he gives the whole atmosphere of a room or a personality. This is a kind of sensitivity which takes in every smallest shade and detail.

The inferior intuition of this type is similar to that of the extraverted sensation type, for it also has a very weird, eerie, fantastic quality. But it is more concerned with the impersonal, collective outer world. With the builder I mentioned, for example, you can see that he is an extraverted sensation type. He picks up intuitions that concern himself. In his extraverted sensation, he is concerned with the collective outer world - with road building, or the building of big houses. But his intuition is applied to himself; it is highly personal and mixed up with his personal problems. With the introverted sensation type, the movement comes from the object towards him. The novels by Thomas Mann have a very subjective character. But the intuition of this type is concerned with events that go on in the background; he picks up the possibilities and the future of the outer surroundings.

I have seen in an introverted sensation type material which I would call very prophetic - archetypal fantasies which do not mainly represent the problem of the dreamer but those of his time. The assimilation of these phantasies is very difficult because sensation, the dominant function, is a function with which we comprehend the here and now. The negative aspect of sensation is that the type gets stuck in concrete reality. As Jung once noted: for them the future does not exist, future possibilities do not exist, they are in the here and now, and there is an iron curtain before them. They behave in life as though it will always be the same as it is now; they are incapable of conceiving that things might change. The disadvantage of this type is that when these tremendous inner phantasies well up, such a person has great difficulty in assimilating them because of the accuracy and slowness of his conscious function.

If such a type is at all willing to take his intuition seriously, he will be inclined to try to put it down very accurately. But how can you do that? Intuition comes like a flash, and if you try to put it down it has gone! So he does not know how to deal with the problem and goes through agonies, because the only way his inferior function can be assimilated is by loosening the hold of the superior function.

I knew a woman, an introverted sensation type, who for many years had very accurately painted the contents of her unconscious. It took her about three weeks to complete a painting. The paintings were beautiful and worked out in every detail, but, as I heard later, she did not paint the contents of her unconscious as they came; she corrected and improved the colors and refined the details. She would say: "Naturally I improved them aesthetically." Slowly the need to assimilate the inferior function became imperative, and she was told that she should speed up her painting and take the colors exactly as they were, however crude, and just put them on paper quickly. When I translated the contents of her dreams in this way, she got into a panic and said she could not, it was impossible. To have this put to her was like being knocked out, she could not do it, and she continued to paint in her usual way. Again and again she missed the coming up of the unconscious intuition, for she could not put it down as it came.

That is how the fight looks between the superior and inferior function in the introverted sensation type. If you try to force him to assimilate intuition too quickly, he gets symptoms of giddiness or sea-sickness. He feels carried away from the solid ground of reality, and because he is so stuck there, he gets actual symptoms of sea-sickness. I knew one introverted sensation type woman who had to go to bed to do active imagination, otherwise she felt exactly as if she were on a boat.

Because the introverted sensation type's superior function is introverted, his intuition is extraverted and therefore is generally triggered off by outer events. Such a type might, while walking down a street, see a crystal in a shop window, and his intuition might suddenly grasp its symbolic meaning: the whole symbolic meaning of the crystal would flood into his soul. But that would have been triggered off by the outside event, since his inferior intuition is essentially extraverted. Naturally, he has the same bad characteristics as the extraverted sensation type: in both, intuitions are very often of a sinister character, and if not worked upon, therefore, the prophetic contents that break through will be pessimistic and negative.

Negative intuition sometimes does hit the target. It either hits the mark exactly, or it goes wildly astray. In general, when intuition is the main function and one of the other functions - either thinking or feeling - has been developed, the person can judge whether it might be the bull's eye or off in the woods, and therefore he holds back. But inferior intuition is primitive, and the sensation type either surprises you by hitting the bull's eye, which you can only admire, or else he comes up with hunches in which there is no truth - just pure invention!

Source: Von Franz on the Four Irrational Types

#personality theory #personality types #typology #cognitive functions #jung #jungian typology #is #si #is(f) #is(t) #isfj #istj

[karinalauryn]

my typology

MBTI: ENFP

MBTI (If you follow the jumper function theory): ESFJ (FeNe jumper)

Enneagram: 2w3

Tritype: 279 (2w3 7w6 9w8)

Enneagram Subtype: SO2

Instinctual Variant: SO/SX

Socionics: ESE-Fe

Classic Jungian: EF(N)

Big 5: SLUAI

Attitudinal Psyche: EVFL

4 Temperaments: Sanguine-Phlegmatic

Moral Alignment: Chaotic Good

Moral Alignment 5x5: Rebel Good

DISC: IS

MOTIV: MOHIVE

Holland Code: SAE

Cognitive Functions: Fe>Ne>Se>Fi>Ni>Te>Si>Ti

#typology #mbti #enfp #enneagram #enneagram 2 #2w3 #tritype #279 #so2 #instinctual variants #so/sx #socionics #ese #ese-fe #classic jungian #ef(n) #big 5 #sluai #attitudinal psyche #evfl #4 temperaments #sanguine #sanguine-phlegmatic #moral alignment #chaotic good #mohive #sae

[onewomancitadel]

I had some lingering thoughts about a question I was asked the other day. I don't have any desire to indulge the humiliation fetishes of WK shippers any further, nor do I want to write their metas for them - I am being jocular here - and so this really has more to do with an overall trend of fandom analysis I have always taken umbrage with. I'm certainly not about to be expecting somebody to have read through my entire Reverse Ozlem tag but I think it's revealing that the broad reception of this theory (which has a silly name, in truth) is that it's just a pattern.

Most fandom analysis I've seen - from the lowliest depths of the R/WBY fandom, including what little Jungian analysis I've encountered - to the should-be-better-than-this heights of r/a.soiaf - has a perverse obsession with evidence read independently of thematic motivation, or, a story's meaning. And you might say this is silly, because evidence is the bedrock of argument, but the thing with textual analysis is that it services pluralities of meaning. It has lots of opportunities for meaning, that is, no matter how seriously (or not so seriously) you take authorial intention; a text is bigger than itself, it's an alchemical maelstrom. This can be both a good thing and a bad thing. For the way the way online fandom functions, I think it's not really a good thing, because most of the time people are arguing around in circles. It's not like casual discussion or analysis you might have with friends IRL, it's rarely if ever academic - I think it brings out the worst in people a lot of the time. So be it.

And here you've really got two independent strands of analysis, one which is of a more classical literature analysis and one which is trying to predict the way a story is going. Once you bring in the attempt to try to figure out where something is going you are now working with an absence of information. This isn't the same thing as traditional literary analysis. I'm not professing to be a literature student (I actually have an unfair perception of the field because of attempts to apply its models to antiquity) but I do think this is a totally different thing. I really think you can only make accurate guesses about the direction a story is going - if we're trying to be serious and not just engage in casual entertainment - in trying to figure out what the thematic heart of the story is. With something like R/WBY there's also the fact that it consciously engages with the monomyth (by way of Joseph Campbell) and Jungian psychoanalysis (which underscores the monomyth) and so you actually have some sort of narrative structure at hand - including for the character's narrative roles, which is actually pretty unusual. I'm excluding allusions here because I think allusions are often explanatory post hoc, and because I think they're beholden to other things in the story - which, as I've exhausted, I think people tend to get caught up with the evidence in the allusions and don't stop to think about how they might actually be meaningfully figured into the story.

The issue here of course - that both simplifies and complicates things - is that Ozlem is actually pretty straightforward monomythically and Jungian wise - they're the cosmic egg which has broken (this is why the moon breaks) and it needs healing and to be made one thing again; they're the cosmic wound of the world; they're the anima and animus of humanity which needs reintegrating, in the way that the Faunus are humanity's Shadow; Ruby's Heroine's Journey is actually how this is all going to get resolved. So if we're looking at it through the perspective of the monomyth/Jung, the question of what needs to happen is pretty straightforward. But as evidenced in the narrative, the question of how to stop Salem is an open question, because she can't be killed. Most people take this at first glance and think of ways to try to kill her, or imprison her, or abandon her (alá Ironwood), but I think it's meaningful that trying to help her or work with her will be a major twist in the story. Anyway, it's getting away from me:

To return back to the original point I was trying to make, it's less about whether relationships in the story fit discrete Ozlem evidence or patterning - though that in itself is suggestive - but what those relationships would mean for Ozlem (or how they can set it up, or you know, induce feeling?), and what... any of it actually offers the story. That's it. It's actually remarkably straightforward, and I think the thing that bamboozles me about fandom discourse is that they're so interested in overcomplicating it, when it's not about self-insert power fantasy projection (which is just anti-narrative, and not even worth thinking about; it's fundamentally nihilistic).

And like... most of what I put forth is on the contingency that a) the monomyth and Jung is relevant, b) Ozlem will get some sort of meaningful redemption, c) it is actually possible to intelligibly predict the story and it's not beholden to commercial influence or writerly discord, and the story is actually finished, and d) it has sensible thematic goals. The lattermost point is relevant because I think R/WBY is very straightforward about what it's trying to be, and it baffles me that people actively ignore the dialogue, the material narrative, etc. to come to opposite conclusions about what it's trying to be, and I think it makes really good sense as a story, but I think it makes really good sense as a story if they can deliver on the Ozlem redemption. Lol. This is what I mean about working with the absence of information in an unfinished story: it is actually remarkably fraught.

So no, I don't think you can just point at something like 'Reverse A/rkos' as being a thing because it's not just an arbitrary pattern. A/rkos doesn't figure into the story that way cosmically. If there's anything that is precipitated by a teased and aborted romance with a would-be Fall Maiden, it involves the actual Fall Maiden of the story.

Despite how much I've tried to make myself clear under my Reverse Ozlem tag, I see how it can get away from people given these trends, but also because of the name - it only refers to Jaune/Cinder, but I'm talking about Ozlem redemption as a whole in this theory. The issue as well is that from a narrative perspective - as a writer - I would be more interested in how Ozlem bolsters my main relationships in the narrative, not the other way around. But as viewers, Ozlem is the narrative key. So I think they have to be very particular in seeding Jaune/Cinder through Ozlem, and I don't think it could be an accident. The question is whether that amounts to a romantic, redemptive resolution.

(Reverse Ozlem is just a descriptive name - lovers to enemies -> enemies to lovers - and so, in the context of the anonymous user's ask, actually... isn't relevant outside of Jaune/Cinder. As I've expounded exhaustively, the entire point is that Jaune/Cinder would be proof you can work back from that enmity and resolve it).

So, on that note, I think anything involving Ozlem redemption basically has to involve Jaune/Cinder, or I think it's going to be really muddled and confused, circuitous and thoughtless. Which I personally do not feel comfortable discounting, because I like being thorough. As you can tell.

As much as I might be interested in analysis, and despite it seemingly being at odds with narrative emotional engagement, I am interested in storytelling. It is incredibly sad to me that this often gets put to the wayside in exchange for a miserly obsession with 'evidence' abstracted from the actual feeling and thematic motivations of a story. What does any of it actually offer the story? What is the actual interesting thing that could happen?

#reverse ozlem #knightfall #long post

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why is it, you think, that I understand neurodivergence so well and in jungian psychology I get all the little ‘functions’ (can’t remember their real name) behind the myers briggs types. but when it comes to this shadow stuff? I’ve got no way of placing it and don’t know how to make head or tail of it most of the time. I’ve heard it said ro be the last function in your stack (Si for me as an ENFP) or the secondary four functions that aren’t your main four (the opposite introvert/extrovert orientations) but like. I’m not sure that explains it, from your post I kinda feel like it’s anything that we mask and suppress. Like neurodivergence, which means for some of us our shadow could be our entire self pretty much. And I’m conscious of not basing entire theories of real life psychology on fivtional characters but there really needs to be a way to integrate jung’s stuff with neurodiversify, even though I’ve not really seen anyone do jt. I’ve got more thoughts but I’m gonna leave it at this for now, what do you think?

okay. so. i do have thoughts here. first off, jung is about as much philosophy as he is actual psychology. secondly, the fact that there is no one single definition of the shadow i think is a good definition for the shadow in and of itself. it's nebulous. it defies the neat boxes of mbti and enneagram and the dsm-5. i've heard a number of interpretations of the shadow, everything from the evil, antisocial side of the self to your "last function in the stack."

personally, i define the shadow as your mental early warning system. the shadow prompts your ego to act on the needs, wants, emotions, desires that you've been processing subconsciously while you do other things. the shadow tells you, "we're angry," prompting us to choose between yelling at that guy and walking away from him. the shadow tells us, "we feel like shit," prompting us to make a choice between a shower and bed or grabbing another can of red bull to keep chugging. the shadow tells us, "we're hungry," so we go downstairs, decide on rotini for lunch, the shadow goes "ah, shit," when we discover we don't have rotini, and the persona is what doesn't say that out loud. the shadow is also the impatient, bad-ideas thing, it wants the easiest laziest now solution (yell at the guy, grab another can of red bull, sulk) to whatever it's prompting you about and it's up to the other parts of you to make a decision, do we answer the prompt from the shadow with its presented elementary schooler decision or do we choose something different.

as for neurodivergence, i think it's fair to treat the archetypes a bit like the old medieval concept of humors and the way they can become unbalanced. if dsm diagnoses like autism and sociopathy are "you've got tuberculosis," then the archetypes are "too much yellow bile." cluster b disorders are when your persona's a little bit skewed. executive + social function disorders like autism, adhd, pda, depression, anxiety are when your ego is a little bit skewed. and then fear-based, mood-based and hallucinatory disorders like depression, anxiety, ptsd, shizophrenia, etc, are when it's your shadow that's out of sorts: your early warning system overreacts or underreacts or invents.

personally i like this model. while the proper psychiatric definitions are important and empowering in their own way (saying "i have disorder, disorder, disorder, and possibly disorder" gives me something targetably specific that i can do something about), the three archetypes model i find better in practice for the lay day-to-day non-scientific setting. when, instead of, "i have disorder, disorder, disorder, and possibly disorder," i say, "my ego's a bit wrecked and my shadow's a bit wrecked," it helps me de-clinicize and re-romanticize my existence without losing track of the ability to define where i'm not like the machine expects me to be. i don't feel pitiable, or like a patient, or a statistic. the official diagnostic criteria helps me when i sit down with the psychiatrist, when i research the solutions and the issues. but in the day to day, when i need to do laundry/do homework/make lunch/etc and i don't wanna? when i think "disorder, disorder, and disorder are impacting executive function" i get a very i know this and it helps how? feeling from it. when i think, "ego's a bit fucked, shadow's a bit fucked," the snarky exhaustedness with which if remind myself of that leads me to an actual solution: i put jessica jones on the television and body double with her as we both drag ourselves through the shit we didn't want to do today.

#neurodivergence #psychology #philosophy #shadow work