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dragynkeep · 11 months

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The worse thing to constantly think about TWDG is that characters consistency are shit when they're not Clem. Kenny has a very strong character when it comes to people he loves (will always cry when he leave for Clem and AJ to live) but he's...a lot, Lily remained strong even when losing her father and pulled through for everyone....but she would willingly mutilate a child, so much of their personalities are weird af and I wish Telltale was a bit more consistent with them

I don't think it's much a consistency issue as it is just missing the middle man, and also the two examples being wholely unlikeable outside of S1. But what gets me is that the way they're treated by the actual writers and story.

Both are unlikeable, but Kenny is constantly fucking babied by the narrative and the fandom, to the point where you're constantly expected to side with him and the arguable best endings are his. He either is treated as this dad figure that Clementine can't bear to leave, or he's the hero who, despite all his flaws, sacrificed his own safety so that Clementine and AJ had somewhere to live peacefully.

Compare that to the alone ending, where it's heavily pushed that Clementine is now forever changed and it's sad to survive on her own, which it is. Or the Jane endings were Clementine is either shown to be a heartless survivor like Jane, or her trust in new people is misplaced because they end up bad.

Nevermind that Kenny is abusive, racist, stupid and just downright hostile in S2, I hated every second he was on screen because he didn't need to be there. His arc was done! He learned to forgive the boy who got his family killed and sacrificed himself so that Ben didn't have to feel pain! It was good!

And I'm sorry, but Lilly was nowhere near as bad as Kenny in S1. The worst thing she did was shoot Carley/Doug after snapping, and if we're supposed to ignore Kenny wanting to abandon Ben to die in Episode 4, far more painfully I might add, then I'm sure the game can push us to be understanding to this.

Except oh wait, S4 brought her back and after Episode 2, just made her into Evil Woman who mutilates kids. I didn't even mind Lily being an antagonist at first, Episode 2 did great imo in fleshing her out through her relationship to Clementine, giving her a good characteristic that made Lilly more nuanced.

Until they just gave up and most of the fandom decided she was EvilTM. Kenny is good ol Uncle Kenny who might have said slurs and beat a kid half to death, but Lilly is pure EvilTM.

The way this series treated these two characters make me wanna cry.

Kenny apologists do NOT interact, I will pour cement in your water pipes.

#twdg #twdg critical #kenny critical #lily critical #answered #luke.txt #im sorry i dont stan the ugly racist who feels like he would also call me homophobic slurs

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iwilltryalittlearter · 5 months

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Pay Kenny his 🥜 or else 😂

#critical role #critical role fanart #critical role spoilers #squirrel…sort of #body horror #kenny #pen sketch

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southieparkie · 1 year

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Hot Take Bunny Headcanons and Responses to Common Bunny Arguments that Really Aren’t Even Hot Takes Now That I’m Reading Over Them But Whatever Lol.

I’m gonna start off with some good ol’ headcanons.

Butters is a short king and Kenny is a tall king. That’s just how it is.

I headcanon that although Butters is fairly secure in his identity as an AMAB, he still finds comfort in, and even encourages, feminine pet names. Kenny calls him “princess,” “wife,” and very jokingly, “babygirl”

Butters smokes. Kenny is a stoner. Argue with ya mama. Also Kenny gets pissed sometimes because Leo gets lipgloss on his blunts and it just throws off his mojo. But he can’t stay mad at him for long <3

Bunny is a pretty couple. I don’t care they just are. Kenny has a very pretty face, very charming and very handsome. And Butters. Butters is fucking gorgeous. All of his bullies in elementary school got ugly. Him, though? He got his glow up.

I am a huge fan of flirtatious Butters. LIKE. HUGE FAN.

Bunny is ADHD x ADHD couple I’m correct I’m correct I’m correct.

I actually really like the idea of rebellious reckless Kenny. Like, that’s my shit right there. Because if he is, and he gets hurt, that gives Butters an excuse to doctor him up and be all fluffy with him.

Vic Chaos is Dr. Mccormick’s sugar mama-

Fuck y’all “Buttercup” is an adorable nickname. Nicknames in general are just adorable.

All of my other “hot-take” headcanons are inappropriate. So I’m not gonna talk about them-

What I wanna do now is take a minute (or twenty) to talk about common discourse-starters in the Bunny fandom.

But first, I wanna reiterate one more time. When I say butters is gnc, he is a gnc CREATUREEEEE. He is hyper-femme (me fr). He has meltdowns about his trauma, then covers his tears with makeup (me fr), he expresses his feelings through his sewing machine (kinda sorta me fr), has the best outfits in school (me fr), and will key your car :)

But don’t assume that I also believe he’s a meak, powerless, washed up little baby just because I headcanon that he’s gnc (If you automatically associate femininity with any of these traits, I’m gonna give you the nastiest side eye.) Butters, from what I can understand, is a slick little guy. He’s shady, he’s a gossiper, he’s prone to snapping at people, and I’m happy (<- lying) to admit that he has this weird jealousy relationship thing going on with women. Personality ≠ Hair and Makeup and feminine outfits. Those are two totally seperate things.

Protective Kenny

In terms of Bunny, people say that Kenny would not be Butters’ protector/save his little meow meow from the evil Stephen-Wephen. I’d like to argue that both of these aren’t outlandish ideas. They just need to be done right in order to seem legit.

Protective Kenny is such a real and accurate headcanon because…that’s who he is! That’s what he does! He protects his little sister from their questionable foster home and strange new school, he protects his friends from Cthulu’s clutches by stating that he’ll die for good if it means that his friends would be safe, he voluntarily goes to hell to protect the fucking world!

Question, if this boy is willing to sacrifice so much to make sure nothing harms who/what he loves, why is it so jaw-dropping to say that he would do so for his boyfriend?

I do get that this headcanon can be trivializing because, yeah, it does kinda bolster the whole “meak little overly-dependent meow meow” pretense onto Butters. Yes, Butters most likely will stand up to his parents one day all by himself, but what happens when Stephen inevitably responds negatively? I feel like Butters would double down after seeing Stephen’s reaction to being yelled at. Because snapping and delivering one loud, detailed, emotional monologue triggered by years of hurt, anger, and mental disintegration isn’t going to magically undo the complience, discipline, and obedience Stephen has drilled into his head.

Butters is going to back down and go back to obeying his father because it’s instinctual. And because of that, he needs someone to step in and encourage him to not fall into this headspace. He needs someone to let him know that what he feels isn’t disobedience, it’s his conscience recognizing that this is bullshit. And if that backfires, then yeah, Kenny’s gonna take matters into his own hands.

Now, the dramatic dinner table scene that ultimately leads to a shootout between Mr Stotch and Kenny while Butters watches on in fear while pissing his pants, and then Kenny shooting Mr and Mrs Stotch dead and running away with Butters to California (or vice versa) is kind of a stretch. But to defend the people who may see it as one big showdown: it’s South Park! You think these characters are going to sit over cups of tea and have a civil conversation? No! Sure, you’re allowed to dislike that outcome and dislike the fact that people write it in fanfics, but you can’t really blame authors for writing it this way because the source material is batshit insane. Think about it this way, if Matt and Trey were to write a scene where Butters stands up to his father and Kenny is there to back him up, do you think they would either:

A) Write it like this: Butters blows up at his dad, his dad retaliates, they eventually settle down and have a reasonable conversation, and then everything is fixed…

B) Write it like this: Butters blows up at his dad, his dad retaliates, Kenny steps in, Mr Stotch attacks him, they get into a gunfight with lasers and condoms rain down from the sky and Mrs Stotch flashes her tits and there’s totally unsubtle political commentary in the form of a satirical new character nobody cares about and Holy Shit, is that Joe Biden on a bicycle?!?!

Idk. I’m neither Matt nor Trey. So anyway, Kenny is a protective boyfriend.

Stephen-Hates-Kenny

I honestly don’t think Stephen would hate Kenny as much as Bunny fans think he would. Although he’s a crude kid and one that’s mysterious and questionable when it comes to making money, it’s not like he’d be outright vitriolic towards him at first sight.

What I think does happen is that Stephen starts to dislike Kenny because he can tell that Kenny has an obvious influence over his son. If his son doesn’t meet the standards that he aggressively sets for him, and he knows that an outside force is disturbing that process, then yeah. I would assume that Stephen wouldn’t like whoever that “outside force” is because that person is taking control away from him. Not because he’s poor, or a manwhore, or even because Stephen and Stuart may or may not dislike each other. It’s simply because he’s no longer allowed to manipulate and warp his son into what he believes should be the standard, because Butters is starting to think for his own and not living by the ideals and harsh life lessons his father is instilling in him.

Homophobic Stephen Stotch

Okay, this one has takes that I both agree and disagree with. Some Bunny fans think that Stephen would be totally homophobic and unsupportive of his relationship, others believe that he wouldn’t care much in that regard and even support him. Both sides just seem fundamentally weird? To me? I don’t think that he’s homophobic, per se, but I definitely don’t think he’d support it full out.

The main evidence people use in this debate to prove that Stephen isn’t homophobic is the fact that Stephen Stotch…is literally gay himself. He has a history of going to gay bathouses and watching explicit gay films. So yeah, if this is a thing, then how would he be homophobic? Easy answer. Stephen doesn’t seem all too proud of himself for his behavior. In the same episode, he expresses to his wife that he doesn’t want to be this way. So yeah, he’s fruity, but in a “Catholic gay man is ashamed of his wicked ways and wants to undo his sins before God” way, or whatever the hell.

But that isn’t it, there’s another piece of evidence that argues that he is homophobic, and that’s the infamous “Butters Bisexual” episode. When Butters is almost tricked into sexually gratifying Cartman, his father walks in. Petrified, he sends him away to a gay conversion camp. Pretty harsh stuff, and pretty telling of where he stands in terms of homosexuality, specifically when it pertains to his son. At the end of the episode, though, he…accepts? His son for being bi-curious. And then the bi-curiosity is no longer explored nor mentioned or alluded to for the duration of the show up to season 26.

I feel like another vital piece of evidence that happens to be forgotten when having this conversation is how Stephen responds to Butters getting into a relationship period. He doesn’t seem apalled by his son getting a girlfriend at all, leaving us with the conclusion that Stephen isn’t against the prospect of his son finding a partner. But it still leaves a few questions unanswered, the main one being If Stephen is okay with a straight relationship, what would his reaction to a gay relationship be?

In my opinion, I really think it’s all a matter of perception and interpretation. The problem in this discourse isn’t exactly the idea of Stephen being homophobic or supportive. (either interpretation is backed up by canon, so it’s a matter of choice really) The main issue that people take in this aspect of Bunny is the extremity of either interpretation. Rampant Homophobe Stephen Stotch kicking his son out and murdering his son’s promicuous boyfriend v.s Accepting Healing Understanding Stephen Stotch who loves his son and embraces his son and his boyfriend with loving, caring arms. Neither of these are accurate responses to the supposed scenario of Kenny and Butters dating to me.

Raging Homophobe? No.

Accepting Ally Parent? Not exactly.

Closeted Gay Man who renounces his own homosexuality as well as his son’s? Yeah, that’s probably it. But IMO a combination of both sides of the discourse can be accurate and interesting if explored with nuance and an extra dose of consideration. I’m down with either.

Womanizer/Cheater Kenny

Uh. Idk. I do think it’s a little strange that people translate “10 Year Old Boy is exposed to sexual content and infatuated with it” to “He will grow up and get around with many girls (and maybe many boys).” Ultimately, though, it isn’t something I have extreme hatred towards, moreso something that I just. Scratch my head at. And don’t really have any need to talk about. Then again, it’s not a headcanon that has no evidence to back it up. Kenny does pursue sexual encounters even at a young age. He spent what I’m assuming to be multitudes of money to buy a concert ticket and condoms, and then he sat down and watched over an hour of said concert, solely to get a BJ from Tammy Warner. So, yeah, maybe he is seeking out stuff he shouldn’t be seeking. Plus, when you take puberty and hormones into consideration, Kenny might find himself persuing a few sexual encounters as a teenager.

One scenario that I see in Bunny fics a lot that really doesn’t make sense to me is Kenny selling himself for money. Like, yeah, okay, that headcanon is also backed up by canon. He was offered $20 (I think?) to give a popular radio host a BJ. But idk? I feel like that’s something the fandom should talk about more.

Cheating Kenny just pisses me off. Like, what? The most loyal character on this show would not cheat on any of his partners, and he sure as hell wouldn’t cheat on Butters. And you can play the “it’s for angst purposes!” card all you want, but out of all of the angsty shit both of these characters go through, you wanna take the easy way out? Yeah, no. We’re not even gonna go there.

Going Native

“Going Native had no particular moments that would ever allude to Kenny and Butters becoming a thing!”

Yeah. Exactly. That’s kinda the point of crackships. You don’t need any pivitol moment to justify the ship, you just need two characters, an Ao3 account, and a broad imagination. Besides, Going Native develops Kenny and Butters’ friendship. And where there’s friendship, there’s also potential for a romantic relationship!

Angst vs Fluff

I’m sorry, but if you base a ship’s validity/quality on the angst-to-fluff ratio, I just think that’s rather silly. People often make the claim that Bunny is a boring ship because it’s too fluffy and every time I see that take I just have to internally face palm. Isn’t that…good? Isn’t fluff a good thing?

I think the reason people don’t like overly-fluffy ships is because fluffy content in general mostly consists of nothing but cuddling, dates, wedding, domestic endeavors, and overall cuteness. Nothing about fluff makes you think, and that’s the point.

What drives them away from all of that is the obvious lack of sadness. It’s showing only one side of the story. In some cases, people wanna see a breakup, trauma, another breakup, an impromptu suspected cheating arc, character development, some more of that good old trauma, and then you can get to the cuddling. Kind of like a reward for using your brain and analyzing the characters first before portraying the romantic and silly stuff. But if you specifically enjoy the cuteness of the cuddling, then you’re neglecting to mention the characters’ dramatic backstories and placing a magnifying lense on only their good, loving qualities. Which isn’t inherently bad?

Like, yeah, I like angst too. Sometimes, I need to see my babies hurt so that I can see how they cohesively decide to move forward as a couple. Cool, three-dimensionality. But what if I just want to see Kenny and Butters rub their noses together like cute baby cows in love? What if I wanna see them awkwardly fumble and cutely make mistakes in an effort to make their first date the most perfect evening of their lives? Shit, what if I just wanna read about them having a pillow fight and playing footsies under the covers? Wanting either of these things is not a bad thing to want.

Now it’s very plausible that I’m just running my mouth here and people simply want to read about character depth in fanfics. That’s fine! We all have our preferences! But when you start disliking a ship simply because the popular consensus among the ship’s fanbase is that it’s fluffy, then I just think that’s a little silly.

In my opinion, yes! Bunny is a very fluffy ship! However, with both of these characters having a history of trauma and abuse on them, chances are you’re not going to get fluff 100% of the time. There will be fights, there will be hardships. Hell, if people are bold enough to portray such a thing in fanfic, and if it’s done in a way that is tasteful and in no way romanticized, then there may even be some abuse or manipulation thrown in there as well. It’s not a crazy concept, the cycle of abuse is a real-life thing that real-life couples struggle with.

Whether or not these struggles are portrayed is up to the author of the work. But if you don’t see any of that in Bunny fanfics, then you are capable of being the author that takes that risk and writes about it in your own fanwork!

ok thats all i can think of im gonna go drink some apple juice now

#south park #sp #leopold butters stotch #kenny mccormick #sp bunny #kenny x butters #friendly reminder that as i am posting this it is STILL bhm #which means i am correct and immune to criticism about this post /j #/j

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bearpillowmonster · 8 months

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I liked all the Fionna and Cake episodes but I couldn't help but feel that the finale was the weakest. It was still good but as a finale?

I liked everything in it but it just felt...rushed. I don't really think it needed more episodes, just more time. I mean we get all this build up with Fionna being able to turn everything normal but it's not really brought to light at all, nobody even notices, it doesn't become a conflict when it had so much potential to be one.

Then we have her deciding to keep her world the way it is, and while we got reasons for her to say that, I don't feel like we had enough for her to just turn all of the sudden, maybe even spin it to "it's not about wanting things to stay the same, it's about protecting what I have." after an onslaught of seeing things get hurt, an abnormality in her normal life.

I really liked the idea that he gave her the dandelion to choose her own path (and this may play into S2, I don't know) but will she get to shape her world? That's a fun concept. Or will it just be left in the dust as a way to say "this is why she's canon".

Then I imagined Simon would leave Ooo so he could live with Fionna and Cake, he found his happiness in normal versus Fionna's want for abnormal. Their lives seem to be the same as what they were, nothing's changed other than Cake keeping her true form. Simon gets his resolution through realization of why things went the way they went with Betty but Fionna didn't get that same motive.

#fionna and cake #still a good series #not sure what tom kenny said was so emotional #adventure time #no hate just criticism #the finale #fionna and cake spoilers #cheers

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scapegoatperry · 6 months

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Anyway, I'm a huge fan of the bucks being heels and having enough of Kenny choosing EVERYONE over them when they've always been at his side.

#aew #the bucks #matt jackson #nick jackson #kenny omega #and no i dont take criticisms #my blog isnt for that #its for my thoughts to be said outloud #im so annoyed with tonight's pov #ppv*#absolute shit imo

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kennys-parka-jacket · 8 months

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So, like... is everyone aware that Princess Kenny is a mary sue? Is that common knowledge? Because I was in the online fanfiction community during the 2010s and it was all "mary sue" this and "mary sue" that. And as I watched the black friday trilogy I noticed PK had a few notable traits:

-is a girl

-has magic powers

-everybody loves her

-significant characters go OOC as soon as she shows up

-tragic backstory

-gets everything she wants even if it doesn't make sense for her to do so

-is kind of a jerk at times, but her jerkery is ignored by the narrative

-sexually liberal

-is basically invincible and unkillable

-speaks in broken japanese (this is very specific to 2013 anti-mary sue culture)

-is part of some kind of minority (in this case transgender)

-has rainbows associated with her abilities

-is way more powerful than everyone else in her universe

Like... homegirl is a mary sue

#And she's a kick ass character too #Yeah imma just rant for a bit #Anti-mary sue culture was just anti-fun #'If you want to be a good writer then do not ever under any circumstances write a character who is a mary sue'#And then the definition of 'mary sue' got expanded to mean any female character ever #Some of the traits people harped on about didnt make much sense. 'If a character has rainbow hair or big breasts they are a mary sue' what #The term 'mary sue' was never about constructive criticism btw. It originated from an old star trek fanfiction-#-making fun of overused fanfiction tropes like having the author's fan character be overpowered and admired by everyone around her #It was nothing but bullying from the beginning and people rebranded it as constructive criticism just so they could bully freely #Also the whole 'author inserts are mary sues' thing fuuuuucked up my writing ability for a long ass time #'Do not make your characters similar to you in any way or else they are mary sues and inherently awful'-#-buddy what do you think every single author in existence does with their characters #Anyway. 'Mary sues' are fun; princess kenny is a cool character; bullying fan writers is for losers. Peace out

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eldesperadont · 6 months

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seeing Golden Lovers aew discourse and all I'm gonna add is that my fav GL era was when Cody wanted Kennys spot as leader and used Kota against him, in a way that was intrinsically queercoded, he literally kissed them both, said stuff along the lines of "he'll never love you like i do", used romantic partner terms to refer to their relationship

njpw creative freedom of 2017-18 [minus WK13 season] you'll always be my love

#brandi was also involved in that plot #the rhodes were trying to keep kenny and kota apart #i remember people bringing to their attention to not fall into biphobic stereotypes which they acknowledged #not in a 'it isnt bi' way but genuinely taking the criticism #at least thats what i remember #wrestling thoughts tm

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sunny-cyrus · 2 years

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I did it. I wrote fanfic.

Hopefully this is good, I didn't ask anyone to proof read it when I finished I kinda just wanted to post this already.

#if you have any constructive criticism dm me or comment smth idk I'd like it #south park #south park fanart #my art #stan marsh #eric cartman #butters stotch #kenny mccormick #is it ok of if i tag these guys? idk how fanfic works man

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onewingedangel3 · 2 years

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okay i said i wouldn't put myself into any of the backstage drama but it's so fucking funny to me how people were blasting kenny for the "i wouldn't have hired 80% of you" line and then everyone thought he was 100% serious. and now WON reports that he looked directly at ospreay when he did it and said it was a joke hagshhdjfbf

#aew #wrestling #kenny omega #as if an EVP would walk into a meeting with the roster and fully seriously say 'oh yeah i would never had hired you lot'#god can the iwc have a SMIDGE of critical thinking sometimes ahsgjdbgng

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kismetconstellations · 9 months

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I would just like to tell you that talking with you about Zac singing in HSM made me decide to watch it! I’ve only made it through the first 30 minutes, but yeah. Zac is cute as ever. :)

Ahh, I almost feel bad for inspiring someone to subject themselves to that film. >///< Zac is incredibly precious in it, but I must warn you that if you feel any level of emotional attachment toward his character, Troy, you are in for a very long, frustrating ride.

Proceed with caution. Especially if you choose to finish the trilogy.

#Correspondence.#aintinacage #Zac Efron #The light of my life.#Baby face.#Troy Bolton #Precious cinnamon roll who is too good for Gabriella Montez and the Wildcats' crap.#You deserved infinitely better than the ending that Peter Barsocchini and Kenny Ortega gave you.#High School Musical series #HSM Critical #Disney

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mrdrhenwardhykle · 1 year

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Was it like a common thing for Youtube animation and nostalgia reviewers to not understand the concept of voice acting? Like, I remember on multiple occasions where one would say something like "I want to like this character, but I can't because their voice sounds like *'annoying' character that's not actually annoying*-and I hate *character name*!"

Like, there's really just a collective group of grown men out there who really believe that voice acting requires you to sound like a completely different person-or even go as far as somehow using someone else's voice for your voice acting role. It's like being upset at an actor for looking and acting the way they do, and not completely disguising themselves just so they don't remind you of their previous role. Do we understand why these people were casted? Do you understand that they weren't just selected as a victim to fill voids in the script-and actually were selected because the producers and casters specifically wanted THEM?!

#I used to base my opinions and personality around these people-but now I'm realizing that nothing they said made sense #and btw-one of them got really upset at Tom Kenny because they just kept thinking about Spongebob #well maybe because Spongebob's voice has traces of his original voice #and no matter what role he's in he's not going to 100% separate himself from it #the casters aren't going to be like 'yeah Bob is our mainstream audience and he doesn't like Spongebob-let's scrap Tom Kenny immediately!'#voice acting #late night thoughts #nostalgia critic #youtube reviewers #cartoon reviewers #also not liking Spongebob is sort of crazy #voice actors #tom kenny #justice for tom kenny

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wanderingmind867 · 2 years

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South Park episodes I dislike/have issues with (Season 10-13):

The Return of Chef (Love-Hate, I like the story but wish it were non-canon or had a better ending)

Maybe Cartoon Wars Pt. 2 (I vaguely remember not finding it very funny)

Mystery Of The Urinal Deuce

Make Love Not Warcraft (I have a lot of weird history with this episode)

The ending of Go God Go XII (Saved, however, by the mockery of Richard Dawkins and atheism)

Stanley's Cup

Maybe With Apologies to Jesse Jackson? (I liked the episode, but the moral of the Token story left me feeling unsatisfied)