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The monkeys of Huagoushan watching Sūn Wùkōng disrupt the peace in Heaven, waging war on them and then going back only to wage ANOTHER war after stealing fruits, wine, and pills of immortality, pissing off Lǐ Jing, Nezha, and Erlang (don't forget the venerable Yù Huáng and pretty much the entirety of Heaven), getting cooked in the brazier, defeating the Heavenly Army yet again, and then graciously pissing on Buddha's hand:
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deadshadowcreature · 2 years
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I would love to have some vanilla Nezha please
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ruibaozha · 6 months
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Are gods born gods? Or do they do cultivation to achieve divinity? Was Nezha born already a god or how could he be considered?
Hello!
This is actually a pretty simple answer that finds it’s roots in Daoism. Put simply, no, someone cannot be born as a god but must cultivate their qi through numerous reincarnations to be reborn into the Celestial Realm as an immortal - although many cases of Buddhist Immortals granting immortality to mortals is a somewhat common occurrence.
More information about Daoist cultivation can be found within Lao Tzu’s yes THAT Lao Tzu Tao Te Ching, among other values and philosophies that should be held onto through each of your lifetimes. If you look into other forms of Chinese media that sets itself as both supernatural and taking place in “ancient China” such as the wuxia or danmei genre, these media types pull very heavily on Daoist concepts and outdated methods of Chinese methods of scrying.
And as for Nezha? No, he was not born as a god and was born to the very mortal Li Jing and Yin Wuming. Before his origin tale was incorporated into Canonization of the Gods, he was granted godhood by Buddha through his rebirth using the lotus flower; which is briefly retold in this post. However, his involvement in Canonization of the Gods has his deification at the conclusion of the Shang and Zhou conflict - as well as deifying Ao Bing, Su Daji, and even his father.
Thank you for asking, I hadn’t realized how unclear this may have been.
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mythologyfolklore · 5 months
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Li Jing: tries and fails to achieve immortality
His first 2 sons: achieved immortality basically immediately
Nezha: literally made to be a god
Li Jing, taking the biggest L’s since the Shang Dynasty
YOU SAY IT AS IT IS, ANON!👍
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the-monkey-ruler · 3 months
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New Gods: Nezha Reborn (2021) 新神榜:哪吒重生
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Director: Zhao Ji Screenwriter: Wang Wei Starring: Yang Tianxiang / Zhang He / Xuan Xiaoming / Li Shimeng / Zhu Ker / Ling Zhenhe / Liu Ruoban / Zhang Yaohan / Zhang Zhe / Gao Zengzhi / Guo Haoran Genre: Action / Animation / Fantasy Country/Region of Production: Mainland China Language: Mandarin Chinese Date: 2021-02-12 (Mainland China) Duration: 116 minutes Also known as: 新封神:哪吒重生 / New Gods: Nezha Rebirth IMDb: tt13269670 Type: Reimanging
Summary:
Three thousand years ago, the world was in turmoil, and humans and gods encountered a great catastrophe. Unexpectedly, a ray of Nezha's soul escaped from the net of heaven and earth and was reincarnated. In this life, humans and gods coexisted with Li Yunxiang, a passionate young man in Donghai City who loves motorcycles. However, the Dragon Clan did not let go of its grievances against Nezha. Li Yunxiang, who had the soul of Nezha, could not escape the fate of being driven out and killed by the Dragon Clan. The East China Sea is at stake. Can Li Yunxiang fight side by side with Nezha Yuanshen and become a hero against the dragon clan? Can the people of Donghai City be saved?
Source: https://movie.douban.com/subject/34779692/
Link: https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2047380689?bstar_from=bstar-web.search-result.0.0
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thirdlotusprince3 · 2 months
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Li Jing: Ao Bing always brings his dad gifts; It would be nice if you did the same.
Nezha: Okay.
Nezha: *Gives Ao Guang a present*
Ao Guang: What? Why?
Nezha: I don’t know, I’m just as confused as you are.
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sketching-shark · 8 months
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also between RSDS and FeiRenZai, i find it so funny how some modern retellings are shifting from Li Jing as an imposing terrifying war god of a horrible dad to. middle aged accountant loser who's a horrible dad but in a kinda pathetic boring way lmao. get his ass.
AFSGFTRERWE you know between Erlang Shen becoming infamous as a horrible uncle to Liu Chenxiang and Li Jing becoming infamous as a horrible father to Li Nezha it is pretty fascinating and kind of funny to see these otherwise imposing deities being put into stories of Stop Being So Shitty To Your Family Or Else Face Everyone's Disrespect.
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pitofpurple · 5 months
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Nezha’s afterlife (a short story)
Nezha’s life was over, ended by his own hands. They may have been held tightly by the strings of the king of the East Sea, but they were his hands nonetheless.
It was his choice. 
A twisted choice where he had to choose between his own life or his village's safety but it was his choice nonetheless.
He didn’t spend much time alive. The exact number of years was hazy, but it couldn’t have been more than ten. He missed his time alive dearly. 
He missed being held by his mother as she sang sweet songs to the boy she had worked three years to bring into the world 
He missed when his father would come home, sweating in his uniform from a hard day's work but still finding the energy to make sure Nezha hadn’t caused any trouble while he was away.
He missed training with his wise master to use the power and weapons he had been blessed with from birth.
Weapons he used carelessly day-to-day.
Power that would lead to his downfall.
He missed his brothers who treated him no differently than they would anyone else despite the way his power burnt holes in all the other relationships he clung onto.
Yet more than anything he missed the little things.
The feeling of hot sand burning his feet.
The joy of Laughing so hard his breath struggled to correct itself.
Even the way his joints would ache after a long day of training seemed a blessing in comparison to the apathetic nature of his current existence.
But that was all far behind him now.
His ability to experience stayed behind with his body.
Now the only thing he had left was raw emotion, memories, and thought.
Nezha knew very well it was time for him to move on to the next life, yet he still found himself hanging around the mortal realm 
Trying to wipe his mother's tears as she sobbed against his mangled corpse, trying to quell the repressed anger his father carried like a bag of bricks, trying to comfort his friends who were too young to understand the boy they knew had left them and was never coming back.
In the end, he failed, doomed to be a passive observer in the grief of those he once held dear. 
One night he got into his parents' bed, slipping above the covers that refused to move over him.
He pretended he was cuddled up next to them.
They would’ve never let him do that while he was alive. They would’ve told him that he had his own room for a reason and he needed to learn to be more independent.
Now that there was no way for him to depend on them, or even ask them for permission in the first place, he somehow doubted they would mind.
After a while of lying there, he decided to slip into his mother's dream.
He saw a flash of whatever she was doing before he arrived but it faded before he could comprehend it, leaving him and his mother alone in a sea of nothing.
His mother stared at him with wide eyes. 
Not through him or at his lifeless body,
Right at him.
He hesitantly moved forward.
his mother stepped back, her hands trembling and her heart beating just loud enough for Nezha to hear clearly
That was when he finally noticed.
that wasn’t love or joy in her tear-filled eyes.
It was terror.
His own mother was afraid of him.
If he couldn’t even bring comfort to the ones he held most dear, then he truly had no more purpose in this life.
Still, he couldn’t find it in himself to move on without doing something, anything, to ease her pain.
So he asked her to do one more thing for him,
To build a temple
That way maybe she could find peace in the divine, and that way maybe his soul could finally rest
His mother told no one of her dream, instead opting to create the temple in private.
She planned the architecture with the same love and attention she once gave her son and placed every brick like it would bring her one step closer to him. 
Often she’d break down, falling to her knees in front of her project unaware of her son's arms wrapped around her in a futile attempt of comfort. 
Nezha knew she was reminded of his untimely demise every time she returned to the scene.
He admired the way she pushed through her grief, putting her energy towards something bigger than herself. 
He wished he could thank her.
Maybe he would, 
Maybe in a dream before he left her side for the last time.
Would that finally bring her closure?
Would that bring him closer to moving on?
He watched as the final shingle was placed with a delighted smile, the first joy he had felt since leaving his body behind.
Finally, after all this time being a wandering spirit, unable to affect the world he so desperately clung to 
he had finally accomplished something wonderful. He felt had left the village better than he found it. He was ready to move on now and start a new life.
Maybe this time he would be born into a regular family and live a wonderful and normal existence.
One where he wasn’t born special but became so on his own accord.
Making his own choice to live the life Nezha had been thrown into feet first.
Wouldn’t that be lovely?
But the world was not so kind,
And neither was his father.
“What is this?” He asked looking at the temple with disdain 
Nezha didn’t understand the question.
Obviously, it was a work of art. Love leaked from even the smallest cracks in the brick, but somehow that wasn’t what his father saw,
Because if it was he wouldn’t look so angry at its creator.
“It’s a temple, for our son,” the mother explained, looking towards the ground in shame.
Nezha’s mother was ashamed of him.
“Why would you make a temple for someone who almost destroyed the village single-handedly?”
Every word he spoke made him seem less and less like the father Nezha missed so dearly, and more like a demon he once trained to fight.
“He didn’t mean for that to happen! he was just a child-“
“He should have known better than to pick a fight with dragons!” The general snapped.
His mother was silent for a moment. her eyes quiet waterfalls of once repressed.
Nezha stepped forward to help her out of instinct but found himself just as heartbroken as she.
All this time he thought his father was angry at the Dragon King.
After all, if Ao Guang hadn’t sent his son to kill him-
No.
If Ao Guang hadn’t sent Li Gen to kill those children in the first place, Nezha would still be alive and his hands wouldn’t be stained with divine blood.
“What was he supposed to do? Let his friend die?” His mother's words were fierce but her voice betrayed her, coming out wobbly and weak as her struggling knees “You always taught him to protect the ones he cared about didn’t you?”
“I taught him to respect the gods,”
But Nezha did respect them! The dragon attacked first! In the heat of battle the instinct to live overpowers any social customs. His father of all people should have known that well.
He wiped his eyes, trying desperately to see his mother's face through a blur of sorrow.
He couldn’t see much but what he did see was the way her features scrunched up in desperate anger
“So what? You’d rather him let his friend be eaten? You’d rather him let Ao Bing drown him and bring his corpse to his father like a trophy?”
Nezha covered his ears, a silent scream clawing its way up his throat as images of that cursed day flashed in his mind.
Despite not being able to feel physical sensation his hands were still wet, dripping with beautiful, horrible golden blood.
He could still smell the death on his clothes, under his fingernails, in places impossible to wash out.
He didn’t want to hear his fathers answer. He didn’t want to see his mother's response. He just wanted to disappear.
Luckily for him, a loud silence spread over them Like a blanket of flame, eating up the grass and burning hotter the longer it lay uninterrupted 
Eventually, his mother stormed out,  unknowingly leaving her husband and son alone together.
Nezha wept on the grass, unable to be heard nor seen though he almost wanted to know what would happen if his father saw him now.
Would he even care to comfort him 
or would he give him the same look he gave the temple?
He wondered if he even deserved to be comforted. After all, he had brought dishonor to his family,
and all because he wanted to save his friend from a demon in the sea
His father left and Nezha wandered inside the temple.
It was almost finished, only needing a few finishing touches, yet Nezha felt farther from moving on than he had ever been and he doubted his mother felt any less burdened by grief.
He leaned against the wall and wondered how it would feel to living visitors.
Would the wall be cold? Rough? 
Would it be comforting or overwhelming if he could feel it rub against his back?
He closed his eyes tight and imagined he was in his parent's bed again, except this time it was warm and he was snuggled under the covers. His parents knew he was there but they didn’t mind, both sleeping peacefully beside him without burden,
but that was not reality, as much as he longed for it to be.
He opted to open his eyes and face the world head-on, but he did not see the other wall like he expected.
Instead, he saw fire.
Red hot flames eating away at the temple’s infrastructure, embers dancing wildly as if they were entitled to the very air around them. Nezha watched as the beauty sculpted out by his mother’s own two hands melted away around him.
Nezha ran for the exit but he couldn’t get out before the roof collapsed. The ruble fell right through him and yet he felt the same pain emotionally that he would’ve physically if it had suffocated him.
Still he picked himself up, form shaking as he moved.
Looking around he couldn’t see much but red. Still, he knew exactly what happened.
His fear and anguish were evaporated by the heat of the fire as anger ignited inside him.
He ran outside the building, the cracks and snaps of the fire deafening behind him as his animosity grew.
Just as he thought his father stood just outside, his face was Lax though his eyes reflected the flames like a dark mirror. 
Nezha never thought he’d see his father cry.
He was always the type of guy who saw emotions and weakness as one and the same. He had scolded Nezha while he sobbed, telling him that his enemies would have no pity on him no matter how loud he screamed.
The tears dotting the general's bottom lashes were the closest Nezha had ever seen him to breaking down.
Still, he couldn’t find it in his soul to have sympathy for him.
No.
His sympathy and love for his father burnt down with the temple his mother had so lovingly built.
Now all Nezha had left for that man
Was rage
Nezha’s master sewed up a body of lotus made perfectly for him.
He hoped Nezha could use his strength to help people. This was the perfect second chance to use his powers right this time, 
and yet he had one more thing he needed to do before that.
He thanked his master, Picked up his new spear, and stepped on his new wheels, fire immediately lighting on the gilded golden gifts. It felt as if everything he touched burned but these weapons would never tarnish under his heat. They were too strong for that. 
Nezha traveled back to his hometown not even a day after he was revived
He wouldn’t stay long, he had but one thing to attend to.
After all, his father always told him that if he disrespected immortals he would pay tenfold.
Nezha always was a firm believer that what went around came around, and as he approached the house that used to be his home,
He truly believed that he was his father’s karma.
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moviesandfood · 1 year
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Everything Everywhere All at Once
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lotus-duckies · 1 year
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Nezha protecting Sun Wukong from his father and remembering Lady Diyong when his father didn't is extremely important to me
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incorrectjttw · 4 months
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Èrláng Shén: I'm telling you, Nézhā hasn't done anything wrong!😊 Lĭ Jìng: THAT LITTLE DEMON HAS SET MY GARDEN ON FIRE! Nézhā: *laughing maniacally in the background* Èrláng Shén: ... Èrláng Shén: Like I said; he hasn't done anything wrong.😊
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ruibaozha · 8 months
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I was chatting with @digitalagepulao about this image of Nalakubara holding Heavenly King Vaisravana’s stupa and realized that I didn’t know when the bearer of the golden stupa/pagoda shifted from Nalakubara/Nezha to Heavenly King Vaisravana/Li Jing.
My first hypothesis was that this is a change exclusive to China as Buddhism spread and continued to develop/affect Daoism. If anyone has information on this change I’m more than happy to receive it.
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Tang-period drawing preserved at the Ninna Monastery in Kyoto. May also be located within Taishō shinshū daizōkyō zuzōbu, volume 7, pages 566-567.
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mythologyfolklore · 2 months
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Nezha: *trying to buy a Father's Day card at Hallmark* Nezha: Excuse me, do you have any that just say "You are my dad?" Associate: Well, I- Nezha: How about "You banged my mom?" Associate: No... Nezha: You know what, I'll just get a blank one. Nezha: *writes* You are a father. This is a day. Here is a card.
*later*
Li Jing: *pissed Li Jing noises*
*Meanwhile*
Erlang Shen: *holding a beautifully decorated "Happy Father's Day" card and trying not to cry*
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the-monkey-ruler · 6 months
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Do you know of a website where a family tree of the gods can be found? Or what gods are related to others?
I can't say that there is one because most gods are just not related. Sure some gods have family relations like Nezha, Erlang, or the Dragons Kings but they are considered more of the expectation than the rule.
I've said this before but how gods work in Chinese mythos is that anyone who cultivates and is able to train under an immortal and maybe perhaps gaining enough merit to go to heaven and get godhood gets to be a god. There are rarely any family relations involved also due to the fact that gods are not allowed to get married or have kids, the Jade Emperor being an expectation to this rule. Sure mortals can live in the lower levels of heaven and have families but they are not gods either. Or that gods had families before they became gods like Nezha's family. Or that they broke the law like Erlang Shen's family.
Needless to say, I would say give up trying to find a family tree since that is too far-fetched between the thousands of different gods and so few being related at all.
But I can say it the biggest known families are the Li Family with Jing Li, Jinzha, Muzha, and Nezha and their mother who most likely passed.
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The Yang family with the sister of the JE being Yuan, Erlang Sheng, Sansheng Mu, and there was Yang Jiao but he passed away and their father passed as well. This makes Erlang Shen the JE's nephew and Sansheng Mu his niece.
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And maybe Jade Emperor and his Daughters like Weaver girl who had a husband and two children but the Jade Emperor and Queen Mother who are to said to have many children so there isn't even a concrete number there, just that there is a lot.
There is also the Main Dragon Kings. The West, South, North, and East King Dragons are all brothers with an off-handed sister mentioned in Xiyouji. East and West Kings seem to have about three sons each and a daughter each as well (not sure about the South or North Kings but most likely children as well) and the Mother Dragon had like nine sons I believe. Not really gods but still a family that are immortal.
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There are definitely a lot more I am just unaware of really. Most legends I know are more stand-alone without any mentions of the family besides mortal parents when they ascend to godhood. There are a few cases I see maybe certain gods being considered brothers and sisters. These are just the ones I really know and I hope that helps a little even if you won't find more family relations.
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monkiebois · 1 year
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I have this stupid headcanon that when Li Jing gives Nezha a gift it’s like
The most backhanded shit imaginable.
“Oh here’s a dragon plushie. I’m sure you won’t ruin this one :))”
Nezha: *fighting the urge to rip it to shreds in front of him because that’s what he wants*
If you’re familiar with Homestuck it’s kinda like the dynamic Rose had with her mother, except Nezha isn’t misinterpreting the passive aggression Li Jing is sending towards him.
I dont actually know anything about homestuck but that is amazing.
im already imagining either, nezha giving the plush to Mei or he storms onto ffm and destroys it there.
Wukong: uuuuhh, Nezha? you good bud?
Nezha with the plush in hand completely decimated. torn burnt and plush filling scattered everywhere. it looks like a brutal plush murder:......yes....
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jttwaudiodrama · 8 months
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hello everyone, i'm Sparrow over on patreon, LOVING the work you guys are doing!! :D i've been meaning to ask, do you have any of the sources you guys used when doing the short timeline about Nezha and Heavenly King Li on Production Notes #4? Me and a friend are looking into the evolution of Nalakubara, and maybe those can help us! (it's okay if they aren't in English)
Thanks for the question!
Our main reference for this part of the script is a video by Professor Yu Gengzhe from Shaanxi Normal University which he mainly talked about the origin of the mythical character Li Jing and he naturally brought up Ne Zha towards the end.
【鉴定42】唐朝战神李靖是如何托上塔的?哪吒他爹居然是这么诞生的!_哔哩哔哩_bilibili
He's one of my favorite historians (watched all his CCTV lectures, bought his books etc) and Sui/Tang Dynasty is very much his expertise. In the video, he provided several written sources that trace the evolution of the figures, plus some physical relics as evidence. Hope they can be helpful for your research.
His videos are aimed at the general public so they are easy to understand and doesn't burden you with too much academic details. Our production notes are produced on a similar principle, assuming that our audience has little to no knowledge of Chinese culture. So for a lot of topics, we simply touch the surface and don't dig too deep. Which is why you are always welcome to let us know if you want to move further on the topics!
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