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ijustliketoreadstuff · 2 years

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Why did Duusu say “that”?, Multiplication spoiler.

Near the end of “Multiplication”, we see Duusu appear in front of Felix, confused, after all, Duusu was not aware of what was happening when Gabriel renounced him back in “Strike Back”, all he saw was two people talking, so it makes sense he was confused by seeing another person wear his miraculous. But the thing that seems to be confusing people is Duusu suddenly saying Nathalie’s name to Felix, after all, aren't kwamis supposed to not say their past holders names?

Now, from what we have seen so far, all the kamis have the spell which prevent them from talking about their holders identities to others, but there is an exception. If the person in front of them already knows the identity of their past holder then the kwamis are fully capable of talking about them, but despite not knowing their true identities the kwamis can still talk about their holders through another name, like how Tikki is still able to call Marinette Ladybug in front of others

Duusu was not the only kwami who we saw talk about their past holder, Niiri the eagle kwami in the New york special, talked about his past holder, “Gilbert” ( Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette ). The reason he said his past holders name to Gabriel was because of the same situation that Duusu was in, Niiri likely still had the same spell on him to prevent him from talking about his past holder, but Gabriel already knew who the past holder of the eagle miraculous was thanks to his research through the history files

So yeah, given Felix pieced together the fact that Gabriel was Shadowmoth, it would not have taken much for him to realize that Nathalie was Mayura. Duusu told Felix Nathalie's name because he could, because Felix already knew Mayura’s identity.

However, the other kwamis who are currently in possession of Gabriel, can not tell him who Ladybug really is because 1. the spell is still in effect and 2. Gabriel still does not know who Ladybug is so the kwamis cant give him an answer no matter what he demands of them, just owning their miraculous does not give Gabriel automatic access to this information.

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miraculous-floconfettis · 10 months

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"The baker girl".

This is how people like Chloé or Gabriel have been referring to Marinette in a mean and mocking way throughout the seasons, as if this was something she should be ashamed of.

The fact that her Lucky Charm turned out to be a baker's peel and she used it to beat the crap out of Monarch is so symbolic and powerful.

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ataraxianne · 11 months

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I love how Felix put so much thought in his superhero name choosing "Argos" to reconnect it to the Argonauts, the army commanded by Jason, Hera's favourite hero. Hera, the Queen of the Gods, Mother of the Gods, whose symbolic animal was the peacock. So he literally presented himself as the hero of the creatures made with the power of the peacock because his whole intention in getting the miraculous was to protect the sentibeings created with it instead of seeing them being abused and exploited by others, and to be seen as herald in front of those who wanted to stop him.

And then we see the other heroes' names and they're like "Okay so the white rabbit is called Bunny(x), that purple tigress there is Purple Tigress and the black cat is called - wait for it - Black Cat"

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geekgirles · 1 year

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Liar Revealed

So Marinette and Sabrina worked together to lure Lila into a false sense of security that eventually led up to her spilling everything in front of an audience she was unaware of. Now everyone knows she’s been lying about everything, she’s a horrible person, and she and Chloé are about to be expelled for good... After 7 years, the fandom finally got what it wanted.

...then why do I feel like I’ve actually wasted those 7 years of my life?

Buckle up, ‘cause this is going to be a long ride.

As someone who’s been eagerly awaiting for Lila to be exposed since Volpina, a feeling that only grew with each passing episode she’s been featured in, I honestly find this development wholly underwhelming, highly disappointing, even.

Maybe I’m too vindictive, who knows, but this in no way feels like proper comeuppance for a character who’s been maliciously manipulating everyone around her and relishing in other people’s misery since she was first introduced.

First and foremost, because having Lila accidentally reveal herself while gloating is too much of a cliché. I’ve seen people before mentioning how Lila exposing herself seemed to be the only way this could go, seeing as Marinette’s best attempts always seemed to fail. But if we ignore for a second this was actually set up by Marinette and Sabrina, with the way it’s handled it just feels like a kick in the gut, not the overwhelming catharsis I’m sure most of us were expecting.

Because, and this is actually my main problem with the execution, by having Lila expose herself by spouting a self-satisfied tirade of every single lie she’s ever told and people have believed without question as she disparages Sabrina’s attempts to take her down, saying how she could easily turn everyone against her, the narrative is actually framing Lila in the right.

When we as the audience know it shouldn’t be like that.

Lila only really upped her game in season 5 (and even then the writers still rely too much on the characters being dumbed down around her for it to work), up until then all her lies would have been easily discreditable if the writers didn’t need the class and everyone in Paris to believe her for her schemes to work!

From our perspective, Lila is nowhere near as formidable as she presents herself to be. Which, admittedly, goes in line with her consistent characterisation (about her only consistent trait aside from being hateful and a liar) that she believes and presents herself to be more special than she actually is. But the problem is no character other than Marinette, Adrien, and now Sabrina ever learnt of this fact! Maybe now that she’s exposed herself, but with the way she gloated about all her plans going off without a hitch...

Which leads us to another reason this was the worst possible execution of Lila being exposed they could have come up with:

It was a stroke of luck.

That’s it. That’s unquestionably what it was. Because hadn’t Sabrina finally grown a spine and drawn the line with the actions she was willing to commit for Chloé’s sake, Marinette would have had no way of knowing of Lila’s plan and preparing accordingly.

Really, the only positive thing I can say about it is that it could maybe count as character development for Marinette since she finally learned she needed to be as sneaky as Lila if she wanted to take her down. And there’s of course the fact that Sabrina finally broke away from Chloé. Other than that? It’s a fairly sombre scenario, really.

Because, again, Marinette didn’t manage to finally beat Lila because she had a strong support network (which would have painted a very symbolic and meaningful picture showcasing how, for all the superficial attention her lies can get her, in reality, Lila will always be alone as long as she doesn’t put in the genuine effort to reach out to others like Marinette does), but because she had outside help. Again, help she couldn’t have accounted for until Sabrina herself reached out to her.

Relating to my previous point, Marinette never got Alya to even believe her about Lila or at the very least question how genuine she was until Lila spelled it out for her. Even though she’s known her best friend is Ladybug for months, which brings forth the question if letting Alya in on Marinette’s secret ended up being even worth it if the writers refuse to have her help her out where it matters (I’ll be sure to go back to this point in a minute, just you wait).

What else? Oh, I know! How about the fact that, for a season that was supposed to be all about Adrienette winning, the writers purposely robbed us of that Adrienette vs Lila alliance we were promised back in Chameleon, huh? Because Adrien was completely left out of the plan. In fact, ever since Ladybug back in season 3, he hasn’t been allowed to do anything to help Marinette against Lila. As with the Ladynoir conflict in season 4, his relevance all but vanished even though he was a central part of the conflict from seasons 1-3.

Even better! When he finally spoke up about Lila to Nino and Alya, arguably his best friends besides Ladybug, they completely brushed his concerns off as him just agreeing with Marinette out of boyfriend obligation! I didn’t know intangible things could slap me in the face, but boy was I wrong!

And the best part? This complete disregard of his feelings, lack of communication, and their assuming they know better than him (which disturbingly parallels to his own relationship with Gabriel...) is certainly never going to be explored, let alone resolved.

What do I mean with all this?

Well, basically that for a show that’s supposed to promote the power of love, friendship, and teamwork, when it comes to Lila Marinette is all alone. Has been since Volpina.

But at least that’s done with, Lila got her just desserts, and we’re never going to have to deal with her ever again...

SIGH

Except, not really. Not at all, in fact.

Because just as she and Chloé were finally being reprimanded for their actions, Mr. Damocles had to choose that of all moments to realise he failed as a principal, attract an akuma, cause a racket, and provide Lila with the perfect distraction to just...walk away unscathed.

And with the reveal that she actually has more identities, social circles, and opportunities to lie and manipulate to fall back to after being expelled from the Françoise-Dupont...Let’s just say it implies that while Marinette (and the audience) had to endure nothing short of psychological torture, Lila never really had anything to lose.

Now I ask you...how the Hell am I supposed to consider that a satisfying, cathartic resolution to that particular arc?!?!?!?

And if you permit me, there is one more thing I’d like to get off my chest.

Alya’s reaction to this.

After learning the truth she rushes to hug Marinette and apologise, being a clear wreck about it. And while Marinette getting an apology once in a blue moon is always a welcomed thing, once again the writers aim and completely miss their shot. Because Alya apologises for being gullible.

Look, back in seasons 1 and 2, Hell, even back in season 3, I could have overlooked this. Yes, she never listened to Marinette, could be a tad hypocritical, and the whole jealous thing got old and annoying fast, but at least she couldn’t know for certain Lila was bad news. But from season 4 onwards Alya no longer has such an excuse. No, from season 4 onwards Alya’s problem isn’t that she’s gullible, it’s that she willingly and repeatedly chose to blatantly ignore all of Marinette’s suspicions and warnings regarding Lila. Even after Adrienette finally became canon and Marinette had realistically no reason to feel jealous of Lila in any way, shape or form, Alya still couldn’t fathom that, perhaps, her best friend had her reasons for disliking Lila besides a love triangle.

The moment Alya learned Marinette is Ladybug, the two should have been allowed to talk about Lila, about the real reason Marinette hates her, and to work together to overcome this issue and bring her down. How do you expect me to be okay with season 5 opening to these two having daily sleepovers to talk about Marinette’s love life, but not a single second could be spared after Illusion to have Alya question why Marinette hates her so much, if not connect the dots herself since she is Ladybug’s best friend, not Lila, and Ladybug hates her?

I’ve seen people justify this saying it’s been a long time since Lila lied about being Ladybug’s best friend, and while I’ll argue the last time it was mentioned was actually Chameleon, not Volpina, I could see your point. Except that is not just another lie, like her claiming she knows Jagged Stone or Prince Ali. No, that is the lie that started everything.

It was because Lila lied about knowing Ladybug to impress everyone, especially Adrien, that Marinette completely lost it and chewed her out for it in front of him. It’s because of that lie and the consequent reaction it got from Ladybug that Lila even developed a grudge in the first place. It’s because of that lie that Marinette ever found out about Lila being a liar, because before she first lied to Adrien about being close to Ladybug, Marinette was panicking because she had no chance against someone as incredible as her. If she hadn’t lied about knowing Ladybug, Marinette would have been as fooled by her as everyone else and the two might have never really come to blows.

So don’t tell me it was never brought up because it was so long ago and it doesn’t matter anymore, when that particular lie carries so much weight and we all know the real reason they couldn’t have Alya in Marinette’s corner is because the writers know Lila needs everyone around her to follow her blindly for her lies to work and everything to always work out in her favour because otherwise she just doesn’t work as a villain.

TL;DR: If you want a good resolution to the Lila Gets Exposed plot, pick literally any fanfic dealing with this exact premise. It’ll be better, I promise.

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nervousbelieverstarfish · 1 year

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Who did this to you sweetie? Who should I hit?

Oh. That's who.

Why is there a Ladybug statue/puppet/copy inside the art room? Who is the creepy fangirl?

WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY BOY???!

GABE I SWEAR TO GOD I'M GONNA KILL YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS

Girl being kidnapped?

Girl being kidnapped.

100% Chat Noir immediately jumps in to save his girlfriend

This is the saddest thing I've ever seen...

WRITERS DON'T YOU DARE TAKING HIM AWAY

PLEASE KITTY COME BACK PSPSPSPSPS

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tasberry · 2 years

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Marichat, for me at least, was never sinful.

I like them together because it's based around the trope of falling in love with your best friend. Where you get to know a person with all these quirks, all these flaws and complications, and go "Yeah, I love all of those too."

Where someone can annoy or upset you, but you talk it out and still choose each other. You love them at their best, you wanna lift each other up, but there isn't a pedestal because you climbed up together.

Chat Noir isn't Adrien's "true self" he just compartmentalizes. He breaks himself into little peices that he thinks people will like depending on the situation he's in.

When he's transformed he doesn't need to worry about looking foolish or getting chewed out by his father for inappropriate behaviour. It's still him, Chat Noir just gives him the ability to explore how he presents himself in the world.

The same can be said for Marinette as well. In fact, I'd say Marinette is a clearer example on how the true selves idea is painfully missing the point?

Marinette doesn't have the awful family life Adrien has. If she messes up, there isn't any of the disgusting, manipulative, abuse that we see from Gabriel Agreste awaiting her at home. She has a supportive family that encouraged her to be herself even before she got the earrings.

She was much more passive, but Chat Noir and Alya inspired her. They helped her be a better Ladybug, and grow into a more confident Marinette. There's more...persona bleed with Maribug. She doesn't refer to Ladybug as a different person the way Adrichat did. She knows one persona has more social power and she'll utilize it if she feels like she needs to. It's not an identity issue with her the way it was with Adrien.

Up until Adrien started to realize that Chat and Adrien are just..both aspects of him as a person thank you Plagg ily, Chat Noir was more of a character he got to play around with. This is what he thought he was doing anyway. I don't think his actions as Chat are disingenuous in anyway. He just didn't feel safe or accepted enough to let those two parts of himself stop being sectioned off until recently.

TLDR;

This episode was adorable

Marichat and the true selves thing is BS

These two fictional children are going to murder me with these adorable, heartbreaking shenanigans

SEND HELP IM USED TO LONGER ML HIATUSES WHAT IS THIS

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wield-the-mighty-pen · 2 years

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I’ve seen a lot of people say that this

Is indicative of the fact that Adrien started to have feelings for Marinette around the time of “Puppeteer 2”, and while I agree that there’s truth to that, I also think that there’s another layer to it.

The scene in question marks one of the few times that Marinette is emotionally vulnerable to Adrien (although she didn’t initially know it), but what’s even more interesting is that this is the first time that Marinette has opened herself up as a romantic prospect for Adrien.

Adrien has never actually had the opportunity to consider Marinette romantically, as she has always asserted that she has no feelings for him. I think that it could be argued that it can be seen from this line that Adrien has always had feelings for Marinette he just couldn’t acknowledge them before “Puppeteer 2”.

What I think really drove this point home for me, is when he says to Marinette

The fact that his feelings changed when she made her feelings for him known, indicates that he actually already had feelings for her, they just never came to light.

All in all, I think most people agree that Adrien has always been in love with Marinette (especially after what he said in Chat Blanc), but I think that the message behind this scene really emphasizes and confirms that.

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tengo-sentimientos-saben · 10 months

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Wasted plots with Gabriel.

His adventures in the search for the miraculous.

It would have been interesting how they learned of the existence of these magical jewels, how they undertook their journey and how Nathalie arrived at the Agreste.

Nathalie's crush on Gabriel and the relationship between these three, until she finds the peacock miraculous. Especially seeing Nathalie's skills.

Gabriel's past.

For 8 years we never had relevant information about Gabriel, until we buried that he did not belong to the upper class, where he came from and even his real name.

We only get pieces that we have to put together ourselves, but it would have been interesting to see Gabi Grassette.

His romance with Emilie.

How did this woman end up so in love with Gabriel? Leaving his family and wealth for a simple tailor.

It would have served to understand why Gabriel was so convinced that he would be unable to live without her, giving more depth to the character, in the end, the story of these two is vaguely told by Felix.

The club.

Fascinating element added in the S4 and taken up again in the S5, but never properly explored.

A secret and extremely exclusive group, simply seeing how they prohibit the devices and the confinement makes you question many things.

With Gabriel as the apparent ringleader, ironic in origin, do you remember how you reacted to learning that Marinette is a baker?

Its parallels with Marinette.

The further the story progressed, the more there were elements in common between the protagonist and the villain.

Coming from a food business, desires to be a fashion designer, his fervent love for someone of high class and the prohibition of it and some more details.

It would have been a nice detail in the final fight, more than the simple “we both want Adrien to be happy” the reflection of what he was and could be.

Although it is still possible that some of these plots are explored, with Gabriel dead, the weight of these decreases.

#mlb analysis #gabriel agreste #miraculous ladybug #miraculous season 5 #miraculous s5 spoilers #nathalie sancoeur #emilie agreste #Marinette Dupain-Cheng #gabenath

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celestiall0tus · 10 months

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Redemption is a noble idea, but...

not everyone is capable of redemption. It is a sad, but honest truth. I'm not saying this to be a negative nancy, but I work with people who are down on their luck, at odds with the law, and I see this. I see people given a chance to better themselves, to get a fresh start on life, but they don't always take those chances and opportunities. Some are just genuinely in denial while you have those that know they have a problem but can't find the strength to stand back up again. After all, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Now, I know in media we get an escape and something we wouldn't normally in life. A fulfillment that can only be found there because of how shit life is. However, not everyone is worthy of redemption, especially a fast redemption.

I'm going to rip this old bandaid off. The Diamonds didn't deserve a redemption. Yes, Diamonds. Yellow, Blue, and White (I'll get to Pink in a whole different post as her story wasn't about redemption) The Diamonds were evil tyrant dictators that committed atrocities across the universe in their conquest. Immediately, Yellow and White aren't exactly deserving of a redemption. Now, Blue had redeeming qualities. She cared more for Pink than the others, mourned her, kept her memory alive, and actively sided with Steven first, but there's one big thing that really taints it for me. The gaslighting and abuse that Blue participated in towards Pink. I don't care what your opinion of Pink is, but the fact is that she was a victim of abuse. She was locked away, told she was "loved" and constantly treated as less than a Diamond. I have no doubt that Blue truly loved Pink, but the way she participated in the abuse and how it was quickly wrapped up will never sit right with me. Especially in the end when Pink is damned while the other Diamonds are redeemed.

To my Miraculous fans, we recently saw this. Gabriel, the worst of the worst, given redemption. This one is a little... muddy. So, he was granted redemption, but he granted it to himself. Mari tried, but was stabbed in the back. That I appreciate. He was able to use the wish to get what he wanted. He didn't need Mari to keep a promise or anything like that when Gimmi gave him exactly what he wanted, at the cost of himself. So, it's really muddy. No, he didn't deserve a redemption, but he won. He got what he wanted in the end. If he lost, but was offered redemption, that would be one thing. However, he actually won. He got his wish and rewrote reality to what he wanted. Again, it is extremely muddy and unclear. I do hope that in season 6 we get some answers. However, even I know that is too much to wish for.

On top of that for my Miraculous fans, I'll briefly touch on the big ones being Felix and Chloe. One who was given a redemption while the other who was started to give redemption, but then given a damnation.

Felix is a mixed bag. He definitely was a little shit at the start and it was genuinely jarring to see him again in Emotion wanting to help Adrien when he actively tormented Adrien. He was a good candidate for redemption, however, it needed time. As it stands, Felix's redemption was so jarring and quick. And, this could be just me, but is a little tied to Kagami. He really changed when Kagami was introduced into his life, and it's cute. But I'm so tired of this. I'm so tired of a romantic interest being the reason a person changes. I get love can change people, but I'm so fucking sick of it. I do wish we could have seen more of Felix's shift rather than drops of vague intrigue.

Now the sore spot: Chloe. Allow me to say this, I will be using the correct terminology for this when addressing her arc. It is my duty as a writer to address this as professionally as possible. If any of my phrasing or terms upset you, grow a pair.

Chloe, like Felix, was a perfect candidate for redemption. What made her redemption far more compelling is that we had time to digest it. It wasn't just dropped on our heads like Felix. We got to see the horrible mother that Audrey was (bitch was straight savage), the trauma that she endured because of Audrey's abandonment. It doesn't justify what she did, but it gives context. On top of that, you can buy her actions as a coping mechanism as she tries to act just like her mother. This does lead her to doing horrible things, that which is pretty bad, but it doesn't make her completely irredeemable. What ultimately led her to a damnation arc was Ladybug. I'll just say it, Ladybug was hypocrite. She told Chloe no more Queen Bee, but then acted rashly and gave Kagami the dragon again, despite Kagami revealing herself. It is no wonder that Chloe would turn to Hawkmoth in her most vulnerable moment.

Speaking of, there is a reason villains attack during a person's weakest. Chloe was a die hard Ladybug fan. She was utterly devoted because Ladybug was her hero. However, her hero tore her down and destroyed her, much like her own mother. This brings her to a vulnerable point. It's a lot like the original Disney's Ariel when Ursula goes after her. It is directly after Triton destroys the grotto and Ariel is shattered. The moment that they are at their weakest. And yet, both Ariel and Chloe are blamed for their actions without analyzing the events that lead them to it. Ariel had everything she loved destroyed by someone she loved dearly. Chloe had her devotion and hope shattered by a person she idolized. And yet people wonder why they did the things they did.

Chloe was someone that was on the right track to redemption, but was damned by her idol. I honestly think it is poetic, but wished there was acknowledgement. The damnation could have worked more if Ladybug acknowledged her own faults and tried to actively right them to put Chloe back on track for redemption. You want them to be seen as grown up by season 5, Astruc, add these moments. Ladybug blaming Chloe was not right by any means. Ladybug is at fault. She was the final straw that destroyed Chloe's redemption arc and pushed her towards damnation.

That is all for this post. I have one more to address a little later, but first need to collect my thoughts on. Stayed tuned for that one

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starguardianniom · 6 months

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Shadybug and Chloé

So I read that many people were peeved that Chloé Bourgeois got namedropped when Shadybug was ranting to Ladyfly about how she didn't have a good life and only knew pain and suffering at the ends of Chloé and well, I feel like it kinds of fit though?

Hear me out first before branding your pitchforks please.

In Shadybug and Claw Noir's world, Betterfly says that any forms of mutual aid is a CRIME.

So let's just say that probably shades some lights on why Shadybug is so angry and bitter and jealous of Ladybug, she has no one to turn to but her partner who tries to backstab her constantly and wouldn't mind killing her off without a second thought if she pushed her luck too much.

If helping someone else is a crime in their world, it would probably explain why Shadybug has no friends, the girl squad trying to comfort her back in Derision the year before and Socqueline standing up for her would probably get them in serious trouble and it wouldn't be with just Chloé, but probably the teachers and other students witnessing them help Emonette in any way.

No idea what would be the punishment, but most likely something they don't dare to try to chance it.

So they are not close to Emonette and don't befriend her, so she is really alone to face her bully.

Who is probably worse than the actual Chloé if there is really no one stopping her from making Emonette feeling even worse.

The Supreme being the main villain and not Gabriel changed some stuff in their world, and it starts with different laws and views on some things, and one of them is helping others in any way is seen as criminal.

Apparently being decent in that universe makes you a pariah or something like that.

That might also explains why Shadybug says she doesn't have a nice mom, her mom probably doesn't dare to do anything against her bullying, or even if she is maybe concerned about it, can't help her because again it's a crime to help others in that universe apparently.

Not that even if she did try, Chloé is most likely still the daughter of the mayor in that universe too and can get away with it while probably having Emonette and Sabine being punished for any perceived slight against her, weither she is in the right or wrong. We saw several examples in the show of her doing just that, and some where before and after she became Queen Bee so.

And let's not forget that Emonette doesn't have Alya either, so she probably went through what Marinette went through 4 seasons with Chloé on a different scale, given there are no heroes but Betterfly to defend them and inspire them, and since helping others is not acceptable, Chloé has no one to look up to and idolize and wanting to be better, this universe seems to encourage people to be worse instead of better and anyone thinking the opposite becomes a criminal.

Again, their universe is quite different from the one the show takes place in and maybe it would help to remember that.

Sure it sucks for all of Chloé's fans to have her name dragged in the mud again it seems, but it's a different Chloé from quite a nasty piece of work of a universe as far as I can tell, so to me it checks out.

Because at the beginning before Marinette heard about Adrien and he becoming Ladybug to save Paris her biggest concern was Chloé Bourgeois.

She had known Chloé for years and was her favorite target, and given she was a normal teenager back then, her bully being her biggest source of angst, given how nasty Chloé is and with her father's name backing her up, seems to have it big on her plate.

Because the only person who ever gave Marinette a hard time was Chloé, never the others students, until that one time in Derision with Kim but well we're not gonna dwell on that anymore.

So it makes sense Emonette's biggest concern who made her life horrible was also Chloé Bourgeois until she got her miraculous from the Supreme, if no one else was willing to being marked a criminal for daring to help her via actual laws.

Because if people forgot about it the Supreme had no problem using two 14 years old teenagers to become his enforcers while also hiding the fact that using their powers for evil would destroy them, and those kids were fucking working for him willingly, so imagine how other 14 years old kids (mainly the class) would fare if they dared breaking the law for Emonette by helping her in any way?

Not much better it seems, given the Supreme was willing to let 2 teens die slowly despite their loyalty to him it means most likely being a kid isn't an excuse to break the law.

Gabriel said people lived in fear of the Supreme, I got a pretty good idea of why when thinking about it all.

I'm legit scared of Emonette's universe not gonna lie.

Helping people being a crime there, think about it for a second.

Chloé would have no reason to change for the better unless she would want to have problems with the actual ruler of the world.

Sounds far fetched but then again the Supreme was also able to prevent people from making a wish with Gimmi, aka the actual top god so yeah, it sucks but it's how it is in that universe.

BUT. BUT.

Doesn't mean that Emonette can't make Chloé change to become a better person in the future, but we probably won't see that happening if we ever see her again, or if we do it will probably just be mentionned quickly, or they will have bigger concerns to deal with.

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ijustliketoreadstuff · 2 years

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Lets talk about the miraculous day information.(season 5 spoilers)

There were a few sentences released by Gloob as part of miraculous day, I will try to keep things short in terms what these sentences could mean:

1. "Your secrets are mine and soon your Miraculous too"- this line appears to be said by either an akumatized villain or Monarch, However, judging by how they say “soon”, its almost as if whoever is saying this, is extremely close to obtaining Ladybug and Cat Noir’s miraculous. But when they say “your secrets are mine", it may be a clue as to what kind of situation Ladybug and Cat Noir are currently in. We know there are going to be miraculous powered villains so perhaps whoever is saying this may be reflecting on what kind of power helped get them to where they are now, and we all know what kind if miraculous is capable of exposing peoples secrets...its the pig miraculous!

2. "Your heart has been hurt, you'll never be able to use the power of second chance again"- whoever is saying this is obviously someone who is knowledgeable with the power of the snake miraculous, and the only ones who who fit this description is Sass, Luka and Ladybug. Now, if there is one thing we know about the snake miraculous it’s that it can NOT be used by someone who is attempting to manipulate a moment in time for their own selfish reasons. Back in “Desperada”, Adrien tried to use its power to impress Ladybug, but because he tried to use it for his own personal interest, he failed in saving her all 25,913 times! Some people may think this line is being said towards Luka because he had his heart broken by Marinette but that scenario could go any number of ways, for one, Luka could be being akumatized, but if he was then that’s a major problem because Luka is the only one who knows Ladybug and Cat Noirs identities!, but it would also make sense if it wasn’t him, after all, Luka had come to terms with the fact that Marinette was still in love with Adrien, yes he was still hurt, but he learned to make peace with those feelings, especially after finding out their identities in “Wish Maker”. But because he knows both their identities, we knew it would only be a matter of time before Ladybug found out and realize that he is in incredible danger.

Luka didn’t let his heart break take control of his moral compass and make him feel tempted to use the snake miraculous for any selfish goals when he was called on to help again, but because of the dangers of knowing Ladybug and Cat Noirs identities, Ladybug may try to do something to throw Monarch off Luka’s back, in which case, she may try to make Monarch believe that Luka is no longer capable of using the snake miraculous like how Alya tricked Monarch into believing she could no longer be Rena. But if its not Luka, then whoever is using the snakes power has got to be someone that is currently facing some sort of emotional turmoil from another person, and as of now, the only person I can think of that has had their feelings thrown into a spiral is Gabriel, who was greatly upset by Nathalie calling him out and choosing to stop giving him aid near the end of “Evolution”. We know Gabriel can akumatize himself, so it wouldn’t be to surprising if he tried to once again use the only other time miraculous in his arsenal to try and fight Ladybug and Cat Noir, or at the very least, figure out what he can do differently to win before either Sass or Luka call him out on why he can’t use the snakes power properly.

3."Maybe it's time to stop chasing the Miraculous"- This line is a little tricky but considering there are only a few in the entire show who are aiming to retrieve the miraculous in season 5, Marinette, Adrien, Tikki, Plagg and Gabriel are all suited to say this line. But considering we saw a picture of Marinette and Adrien give back Tikki and Plagg their miraculous, I’d say this line is being said during a moment of frustration as Marinette and Adrien realize they are not only failing to retrieve the miraculous and defeat Monarch, but are also struggling with the fact that so long as they are the heroes of Paris, they can never be with the person they love most, meaning that they have realized that they are miserable and are seriously considering giving up their efforts. Likewise, someone could be telling Gabriel to stop his madness and understand that chasing the miraculous is affecting his life and leading him no where, and as of now, the only person brave enough to call Gabriel out is Nathalie or Tomoe.

4.”You took a big risk, and it had a disastrous result'- again this one is a little hard to identify, but what we can take away from this is that someone is being told about their past mistakes, the one who took a big risk could be anyone and they could be being told by someone who is either purposely attempting to ridicule them, or is attempting to make them realize that they must acknowledge and come to terms with their past mistakes.

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