#same with utrh jason

[azuree1733]

WHY ARE THEY NERFING JASON SO BAD IN THE COMICS RN like his current character design is iconic and I love that he looks like a mortal kombat character but bro please I beg of you one good solo run with jason 😭

#it’s a tough time to be a Jason todd fan #there better be a reason for nerfing jason like idk maybe he’s gonna die again! #at least we have wfa 😍 #also wtf does his mask break in every single fight #does he buy them wholesale now?. #they can’t be cheap 😔 #bro must be a masochist #cause ain’t no way he’s getting his ass beat by Catwoman in like 3 seconds #love her but no ❤️ #like he’s one of the stronger ones in their family he shouldn’t be loosing unless the writers hate him #I’m fighting in the trenches for this man 😔 #gotham war #they better save his character and make so he’s messing with Bruce and Selina #this might be unpopular but I need him to return to his villain era #or at least assassin/mercenary #they gotta make Jason more like Deathstroke I said what I said #Arkham Knight jason was peak #same with utrh jason #like I need him to go back to being a little more unhinged that made him so slay but now he gets bitched on 😭 #tbh he’s kinda cool in the joker comic but like we all know he’s not gonna kill the joker in the end anyways 😭 #they low key screwing with my boy Tim as well #let him be red Robin again #he was so iconic #batman #dc comics #jason todd #red hood #robin #red #dc

[kittykatninja321]

I feel like writers, official and fan writers alike, forget how young Jason is, but also that it makes sense that Jason as a character would carry himself as older than he is. When you do the math utrh Jason is like high school senior/college freshman years old doing mob boss shit. Like my brother in christ put that duffle bag down and go get your GED. Barely even old enough to be in the club he needs to take his ass to the homecoming game

#I'm fuzzier on the new52 timeline but i know that utrh jason is like 19. I would guess that current timeline Jason is like barely early 20s #if that. #Jason Todd #dc #which is why 'Jason adopts Tim' aus are crazy to me their canon age difference is 2 years they'd be in the same highschool 2 grades apart #But I do think it very much makes sense for him to have like a less severe version of Damien’s ‘I act like an adult in a kid’s body’ thing #going on because he had to grow up fast even pre Robin. All of the batkids have this in common actually #Who can forget 17 year old ceo Tim Drake.

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

The compelling thing about Jason as a character is that I never doubted that he cared about the world just because there weren’t panels of him being overly zealous about “restorative community care”

I’m not coming after anyone who wants to see that kind of stuff, but I do think seeking | that | as confirmation that Jason cares about the world is pretty narrow

#shoving an arc like that into his comics to “show he cares about people” #after having him repeatedly say things like “nothing I ever did was for good. it was all just selfish anger” in recent comics #would be the final nail in the “see! he's redeeming himself! he CAN be likable!” coffin (pathetic) #it's literally what his antis have been suggesting would make his character “so much better” #kelseethe #see also: “people would have a hard time knowing whether Jason loves them” #why did he gift Thomas' watch to Bruce all those years later + possibly even after utrh happened #why is he always silently forgiving the shitty treatment from his family almost like he wants to maintain some sort of relationship w/ them #as for “showing that he cares about the world” #the most obvious “evidence” is right there #why would he continue to fight tooth and nail to have a place in Gotham as a vigilante #both warding off and enduring harassment after harassment from Bruce while hearing the same message every time #“hey. you're doing this to yourself. you can make it all go away if you just do as I say and quit for good.” #“you'll even get to be my son again” #it’s not like he gets recognition/praise for doing what he does either unlike Bruce Dick or Tim #what could possibly be in it for him #wouldn't it be that much easier to “not give a crap about the world” on a beach in Capri instead of in the Gotham sewers every month #anyway Jason should decapitate rapists and poison more child traffickers and not cry about it five seconds after

[punkeropercyjackson]

"Jason Todd should adopt Danny Fento-"Jason Todd should adopt GWEN STACY

#-who is actually in need of it!!!her mom died and her dad's a twisted toxic oppressive mess!danny has some of the best parents ever tf #just say you don't know what normal friendshipa are and only care about male characters despite claiming to prioritize all transness and go #and there's no 'parallels' between him and danny while jason and gwen deadass shared a long running comics meme pre-ressurections #comics!gwen is red hood-adjacent with her specific kinds of edge and jason's got the same cringefail loserhood movie!gwen does.be serious #ghostsiblings #jason todd #gwen stacy #batfam #ditf #lost days #utrh #rhato #the outlaws #dead sidekicks force #team dual #the anomalies #itsv #atsv #btsv #spiderman #the spiders within #spidey and his amazing friends #trans 4 trans and autistic 4 autistic found family realness #💌 #comics #summerposting #anti dp #antidpxdc #jaysumm #ghostflower ghostpunk or ghostbyte too if you want

[jasontoddssuper]

Most Jason Todd simps be like 'I don't read comics i just think Jason's hot' and i'm like 'Yeah we can tell'

#not saying it's bad to simp for jt my url is about me selfshipping with him but like.you guys make him way too much of a typical man #he's canonically a complete freak and not in an 'in the sheets' kinda way i mean he's severely traumatized and heavily autistic-coded #and as someone who is also that both in the same way as him yet somehow also in the opposite direction that's the whole reason he pulled me #fanon jason is just like.........a man(derkgatory).he's completely appealless to me he just exists to be a h*rny bad boy who's sad deep down #if fanon jason simps read his comics they'd hurl.their fics and incorrect quotes make me do the same so it would be justice #jason todd #pro jason todd #black jason todd #latino jason todd #afrolatino jason todd #+ bi pan and aspec + trans and agender + autistic/adhd/mdd too #batfam #ditf #lost days #utrh #rhato #teen titans:damian edition #dead sidekicks force #batman:urban legends #gotham war #wfa #lego batman/superman:family matters #team dual #the anomalies #tiny titans #lego dc super villains #jaysumm #real self shipping hours #letters from summer #*derogatory

[bluegarners]

ive always wondered what dick's reaction to jason gloating over his assumed death, directly in front of bruce, would be

#like esp considering dick grieved so hard and was so shocked when he learned jason had died #like all the shit he went through with bruce after jason's death on top of his grief and his life continuing to spiral #like i really wonder what he wouldve felt in reaction to jason not giving him the same due #and in actuality using it as a point to hurt the man he loves and respects most in this world #jason todd #dick grayson #bruce wayne #utrh

[mintacle]

Ideas that would fix Utrh for me personally:

1. Bruce is made to explicitly panic and have his throw of the batarang be a mistake. It is shown how his trauma of his own parent's deaths and of Jason's death are warring within him.

2. Bruce lets Jason kill the Joker because it is true that he could never so it himself. DC can later find some excuse to ressurect the Joker, but Bruce understands that Jason isn't talking about killing all villains, but just this one. And for what he did to Jason.

3. The sentence "this doesn't change anything." refers to Bruce's own guilt and shame. It means that it doesn't allow Bruce to excuse any of what he did just because Jason is alive again.

4. Take out all victim-blaming parts that have Alfred talking about how Jason was always dangerous and bound to go down a dark path.

5. Show Bruce in extreme self-denial and conflict that Jason is truly alive again, because he has hallucinated or been manipulated with this scenario too often to trust in a good thing. Show Bruce coming to the realization that this time it is true. This time he does get his son back. Have Bruce surrender to Jason in the confrontation where Jason pulls his helmet off the first time.

6. Have Jason say "I was going to kill you." Have Bruce answer "I'd let you."

7. All of this is to say, I think any more cohesive and compatible with other canon and characterization utrh would need to have a stronger acknowledgement of how fucked up Jason's death and ressurection were. And of how it fucked Bruce and Jason up in their respective ways

(8. Bonus. Include Dick, Tim and Barbara in the story as relevant characters to Jason's life and death.)

#jason todd #utrh #some thoughts #rambling #I LOVE utrh. but I do acknowledge it also has some major issues and contradictions #largely about how Bruce is ooc #that man has never loved anyone the same since Jason #and that should have been a bigger theme

[boyfridged]

A dynamic I’ve always wondered about is Jim Gordon and Jason Todd. Like considering Gordon’s place in Gotham and partnership with Batman like how does that play itself out or how should that play out given Jason’s background? I remember there being scenes with them getting along when he’s Robin and he was at his funeral but as Red Hood I don’t think we ever see anything? I think Gordon’s place in Gotham and Jason’s place in Gotham cross paths because they are different and I don’t think we have ever seen something done with that.

he really doesn't get any interactions with jim (unless i'm forgetting something, but there's nothing substantial that's for sure.)

they should happen though (i mean- not now, given gordon's current status). and they should be of a strictly hostile nature. a hill i will die on is that jason should not ever associate with cops; this is quite literally the only thing that gives him any significant moral/political standing that challenges batman's work (and you could probably guess it's my take if you've read what i said about the potential of jay as an abolitionist before.)

in his robin days, i believe he would try to be more open to the idea that jim is a good one, simply because at this time he's subscribing to bruce's moral code, and bruce most probably does make a tremendous effort to try to teach him about the "value" of legal enforcement... and there's also his relation to barbara. but i don't think he'd ever get completely comfortable around gordon anyway. jason is not cynical at all at this point, but he's also not stupid, and cops are the last kind of people he would trust, even with all his childlike naivety. so i doubt he would be eager to interact.

#unless you want to count pre-crisis jase. then he has plenty of interactions with gordon #although more with bullock... #but pre-crisis jay does not have the same background so obv. it's more believable he feels safe around cops #gordon does not get nearly enough shit btw. #and jason in canon does not subscribe to acab firmly enough... although there's been some progress when it comes to it #surprsingly. coming from rosenberg #but in utrh it's almost like his main issue with cops is that they don't do enough. which is a very winick take you know. #outbox

[goatsghost]

nightwing (2016) #50

wait this is so interesting, okay so. in under the red hood, jason points out that they need to create fear in criminals, because they know batman doesn’t kill. by the time jason is red hood, criminals don’t fear batman anymore (or, don’t fear him enough) because they know he might hurt them, but he won’t kill anyone

but while dick was robin, bruce was okay with using scarecrow’s fear against him, to the point that dick had to talk him down

#it’s not exactly the same but that wording caught my eye #nightwing 2016 #bruce wayne #dick grayson #jonathan crane #ggw liveblog #ngl i’m trying to find which issue it was that jason said it and i cannot remember for the life of me #but i’m pretty sure it was in utrh

[burritowitch]

back on my flashpoint batkids bullshit lmao.

I think if Jason died as Flashpoint Robin, it would be even worse than when he died in mainline. Because here, the Joker isn't some anonymous monster who came bursting into gotham to cause problems and hurt people. It's martha wayne, thomas's wife.

And she just killed his son.

#jason todd #thomas wayne #flashpoint batman #flashpoint robin #martha wayne #joker #the angst potential #like thomas already lost his wife (basically) and bruce #so losing jason would just be another thing to eat away at him and hurt him #utrh would probably play out the same #actually #because i dont think that thomas would kill martha #since thats still his wife and he still loves her #even if shes like evil

[lovelylonelymoonlight]

You know that damian was already Robin before Bruce died and technically it was Alfred that made him Robin damian just agreed to keep being Robin while dick was batman

Dog if you except me to keep up with the nightmare that is the Batman timeline you have another thing coming

But since you askeeddd I’m gonna tell you about my perfect dc world which of course has a theme of …. Duplicity!!!!!

We have like 2 robins around at any given

2 batgirls running around

Someone running around with jokers old title even tho he’s in prison rn???

and then what’s this theme motif metaphor!!! There’s been multiple jokers!!! (Gunshots explosions etc) ohhh my god SYMBOLISM CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!!

end part one of dc world part two to follow thank you for your time :)

#batfamily #batman #bruce wayne #batfam #dc #let me write for dc I could do it I know I could #anon #like here me out okay #I shrink the age gap between all the kids #dick has his teenage rebellion at like 14 and is fully working with the titans by 15 #boom Jason Todd #two robins working at the same time adds a bit of mystic to the character in universe #boom Jason todd again #im saying he’s with us at 12 to like idk 14??? maybe 15???? #dick Grayson now 16-17 ish is like I can’t be robin immma be Nightwing #grief causes dick and Bruce’s casual teen parent discourse to expand and become a falling out #BOOOM Tim Drake #Tim Drake is robin for like a year or two idc #BOOOM JASON TODDD AGFFAIN #utrh except Bruce doesn’t suck as #so now Jason is like still a teenager Tim is like idk 14/15 dick is 18/20 ish #now another year or two #DAMIAN WAYNE WITH A STEELLL CHAIRRRRRR #so now we’ve got two robins again #and then Tim gets a new mantle but it’s something cool and not Red Robin because I fucking hate that name #that batgirls are all happening in betwix this nonsense #what do we think it’s perfect right?????

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

I think fans want Jason to be a good person or be becoming one. To have a character that is well meaning and compassionate but decided murder is ok and to stand against main heroes who’s beliefs and actions go against the people he cares about and wants in his life. It’s confusing for people. People want their fav characters to be happy. But Jason can’t have his family’s support and follow his moral code. He’s cares about people and Gotham, and he’s an asshole who kills. It’s messy. It’s not black and white. I don’t even think Jason cares about being a good person or in the right anymore. I think he cares about what will save the most people instead.

Oh my goodness gracious I’ve been bamboozled

Batman’s definition of Good is not synonymous with absolute good/right no matter how much dc insists it is. Torture, battery/assault, surveillance, those are all condemnable actions too. I won’t get into the exhausting and frankly dumb debate of comic book morality wrt killing because I’ve already reblogged plenty of posts from other people who explained my thoughts on the matter far better than I ever have the patience to sit down and articulate. I also just think the notion that there’s something to be done about fictional characters who kill nazis and senseless murderers is stupid. Jason’s point is that the “main” heroes’ sanitized definition of right has its unaddressed holes and flaws which ultimately result in more preventable fatalities, and that he’ll work to correct those missing spots.

He doesn’t not care about doing what’s right. What he doesn’t care about (at least during his Winick characterization) is whether Batman thinks he’s right or wrong, because he sees the flaws in Batman’s methodology (and since he has a mind of his own). Batman’s methods alone cannot address Arkham’s revolving door and the rogues that come and go through those doors who have no intention (or capability from the doylist pov) of ever changing or undergoing redemption. Jason knows that he’s minimizing the number of preventable deaths by killing his targets, typically Characters Who Simply Do Fucked Up Shit Just Because, Why The Fuck Not?

Secondly, Jason is compassionate … to a fault. That was his fatal flaw. If he wasn’t so hell-bent on saving his potential birth mother he just met from that bomb despite everything she did to him prior, he could have protected himself instead, however slim his odds of survival were. What about his relationship with his other parents? He was a caregiver during his early childhood years for Catherine, until her death. Even mature adults who are financially stable find being a caregiver to a dying parent to be extremely burdensome on their bodies and minds, but he never complained about it or resented Catherine for being unable to care for him. Despite how none of his parents have really been what he needed them to be, he doesn’t blame them for their failings, and even continues to think highly of them (Bruce included).

And post-death? Enter Lost Days. Despite being dead set on plotting his revenge on Bruce, he constantly sidelines this in order to save other victims who are helpless like he once was. His own anger, trauma, and mission don’t remain his priority. (Sound familiar? Something something my own trauma above my son’s, mission above all else, etc.). Why would he waste precious time and risk his own life to do this if he wasn’t empathetic towards these victims or didn’t care about doing the right thing. He is simultaneously horribly traumatized and full of rage, and also incapable of ignoring what’s happening to victims around him (even as he claims that it’s indeed not his priority). And in that same vein, the entire premise of his rebirth outlaws run was that he doesn’t care if the public views him as a villain, an outlaw, so long as he can protect Gotham. And anyway where is this portrayal of him not caring about being in the right anymore. Almost every modern Jason story is about him grappling with where he stands with Bruce/Batman. During the early 2000s was probably the last time he did not care (hello, tentatodd??).

Jason has very evidently been portrayed as a kind and compassionate character. He is also simultaneously a calculated killer who doesn’t hesitate to kill when he deems necessary, and does so without remorse. It’s called being a Complex Character With An Edge™ that as you said, people so often claim to love. However when he fulfills that latter part, that seems to upset people because “killing bad”, and they then try to shave off and round out all his edges and claim he shouldn’t be that angry. In that case I guess you should just stick to liking traditional one-dimensional characters instead of claiming to like Jason but then encouraging his character assassination attempt by dc. Lol.

Lastly, who said anything about the batfam making Jason happy? Just because he’s written nowadays to want acceptance from Bruce (a shoddy attempt at forcing a non-existent nuclear batfamily), doesn’t mean that it’s a sound decision or that it does his character justice. I certainly don’t empathize with the idea that Jason needs the family’s approval or acceptance to be happy. (And anyway he has enough outlets for angst and pain aside from the batfam hello explore his other sources of trauma and do more deep dives into how he thinks when he’s alone). I don’t want them to magically make up and become one big happy family. This is not disney Lol. Besides, there are plenty of stories from dc that have that type of “wholesome” (hate that word utilization) characterization for Jason (Li’l Gotham, Tiny Titans, wfa, and even new stuff like the brave and the bold mini) and that is sufficient imo. Jason fans who are invested in the character deserve accurate, nuanced characterization and well-written stories, whether they be from his robin days (e.g., Batman: The Cult) or as red hood.

#fellas. ya know what else is wholesome? avenging your own death #you can have moments of ‘reconciliation’ or peace but still maintain a strained relationship which is far more realistic #‘he’s an asshole that kills’ and Bruce is an asshole who doesn’t kill. lol. #you can’t claim Jason’s conflicted and disturbed but go on to say Bruce is perfectly sane those two are mutually exclusive #also please realize that a character acting out of anger does not mean they lack compassion. #implying that he doesn’t care about doing the right thing is saying the same thing that person said; #that he doesn’t actually know what he’s doing. that he hasn’t thought through his moral stance. #‘Jason didn’t put any thought into anything he did in utrh he’s just a poor mentally ill lost soul who needs the batfam’s love to heal 💔’ #🤝 #‘jokers just a poor victim of society 😔 he just needs someone to understand him and maybe one day he’ll heal and realize he’s wrong’ #what they both have in common is that they’re misunderstood in opposite directions #the joker doesn’t have a point to prove. there’s no deeper meaning behind what he does. everything is a joke to him. #he isn’t unaware of right vs wrong lmfao #jason todd #dc #asks #my post #and I think you’re implying that he’s utilitarian based on that last part but I don’t think he is #user mintacle posted a few metas regarding that and again they explain it much better than I prob could #anyway it isn’t difficult to understand his character if you know why you like him and you actually read his stories #that post specifically was from someone who clearly said they did not read the comic so. technically they’re on their own wavelength #edit: grammar

[punkeropercyjackson]

My personal fancasts for Jason,Duke and Nell(Aubrey Joseph,Issac Ryan Brown and Sanai Victoria)

#i know nell is 10 and sania is a teen but i her current self is batgirl!nell and her younger self is pre-cape nell ykwim? #also i am OBSESSED with all stuff i've seen issac in his duke energy is INSANE #and for aubrey!jason it's some for the him being in marvel too jokes but also i just look at him and go 'i'd buy this guy as red hood 100%' #(and for anyone concerned about lightning nell they're actually almost the same shade!!it's just the lighting) #batfam #jason todd #duke thomas #nell little #latino jason todd #afrolatino jason supremacy #aubrey joseph #issac ryan brown #sanai victoria #sparks:secret origins #ditf #the last day of summer #ember's ashes #utrh #ember/red hood #rhato #the outlaws #dead sidekicks force #new ember days #we are robin #the abnormals #batgirl 2009 #all new teen titans #💌 #jaysumm #summerposting

[randomlut]

So it turns out my old friend of elementary school just starts her new journey of Jason Todd fandom. She finished reading UtRH, Death in the family and watch/read arkhamverse and craving for more, so ofc i told her bout the existence of Tentatodd 😅😂😔🙏

#jason todd #tentatodd #her reactions were gold #i'm so proud and so sorry at the same time for her having me as a old friend #we just have some reunion and after discussing bout Jason #i just told her do you know that in the main canon Jason was a tentacle monster in 2006? #it's more of a warning of how absurd the writing of Jason Todd after UtRH in the main comic

[someoneimsure]

It’s important to divorce other people’s opinions and biases about a character from the source material when engaging with the source material because it can destroy your enjoyment of said source material.

Think of each character as an iteration of the character that exists in the writers head, that is then translated to the page, and that something is lost in translation when it reaches the reader. Then everyone who has a take loses something when translating it for other potential readers. There are many reasons for this: two examples are either they do not have good reading comprehension or they resonated with only one aspect of a character that has since become the only thing they associate with that character.

Being open to all takes of a character can make the source material more enjoyable because now you’re the one who gets to make your own take, good or bad, of the character. Now you get to see a new iteration of the character and enjoy that iteration on its own merits. Now you get to see the nuance surrounding many things currently associated with that character. Now you get to see what was poorly translated and what wasn’t. Now you get to see the nuances that someone else missed on their read through. Now you can engage with the text on a deeper, meta textual level because of all the takes you have seen.

These are all new ways to enjoy a text that can only be gained from being open to every iteration of a character, and they’re just as enjoyable as reading the text for the first time before hearing anyone else’s views on it.

#readers #my post #writers #i imagine it as everyone one has their own universe which features a jason todd in their head #these iterations are as different as the jason todd of gotham knights or arkham knights or utrh or rhato #the moment a new writer steps up to write jason todd or a new reader steps up to reinterpret jason todd it is automatically a new iteration #while i do believe an effort needs to be made to stick to the source material for adaptations #i think complex stories with multiple reboots should not fall under that same scrutiny #i honestly engage with the text more after seeing people's takes on it #jason todd #writing

[jasontoddssuper]

A lot of other autistic people love the Joker because of the Lego Batman movie but personally i can't.Because i have Jason Todd autism specifically so whenever i see literally any version of the Joker,i'm posessed with the urge to commit unspeakable violence

#'do you mean you have the same kind of autism with jason or that your autism makes you love jason?'yeah #also family matters superiority #jason todd #batfam #robin #red hood #ditf #utrh #ditf 2020 #rhato #rho #wfa #teen titans:damian edition #dead sidekicks force #as per always my jason is a bi trans man who's afro-dominican and adhd and mdd #autistic jason todd #autistic girl summer #real self shipping hours #jaysumm #letters from summer