#arya stark fan fiction

[alwaysdaenerys]

our great glory

Chapter 18: Jon V

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[wynebceffylarya]

#game of thrones #gendrya #got #arya x gendry #fan fiction #fan fic #gendry x arya #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #arya stark x gendry waters

[katlyn1948]

It looks like tomorrow is going to a good ole fashion #iwrotethisinsteadofsleeping

#fan fiction #fic writing #arya stark #gendrya

[matzobs]

Here is some fan fiction about Arya Stark, Brienn of Tarth, Yara Grayjoy, and that Dornish Sand Snake - the older, butch-er one.

They're going to have some tea in that garden where the Tyrell's had their little court at King's landing, in a little rose garden nook. Whispy, gauzy figures dance around them and bring them high tea.

Yara Grayjoy can't get enough of cucumber sandwiches. There's a chicken salad sandwich with grape slivers. Blueberry lemon scones and butter on shiny silver serving trays stacked one on top of the other. Marmelade. Arya Stark has marmelade on her face, and Hot Pie in a kinky predicament you didn't consent to reading about in kitchen.

The Dornish Sand Snake is drinking hibiscus tea with brown sugar syrup, and there's an actual hibiscus garnish with a little orange on a skewer. Brienn of Tarth is pouring another cup of lady gray from a white tea pot with gold trim and painted rose. She is drinking it with milk and sugar.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

#game of thrones #fan fiction #arya stark #yara grayjoy #brienne of tarth #sand snakes #butch positivity #tea time

[esther-dot]

just saw a dany fan on twt ''absolutely convinced" that grrm only gave sansa pov because he needed a stark pov in KL umm... sansa was a pov even in agot, when arya and ned were present in KL and there was apparently no need for her to be. grrm isn't suddenly ''forced'' to make her a pov in acok/asos since there are no other starks in KL, she is a character written by grrm, she didn't spring out of nowhere in the story, he himself has her deliberately trapped in KL by the end of agot while arya escapes. the fact that she replaces ned as the stark pov in acok/asos in KL makes her very important as KL is arguably the most important city in the series and the starks the most important house and the heroes. its just... dany fans actually use no brain.

(another really old one, apologies!)

Every now and then I see posts floating around that attempt to remind people that characters aren't people who act without any direction, they're created by the author, everything they do is at his will, and therefore, regardless of how much a reader may like or dislike them, the author has a specific intention for them. I know people were calling Sansa a camera at one point, to minimize her role in the story, but Martin discusses his themes in her chapter too.

I mean, as entertaining as it is to pretend that Sansa (a fictional character) somehow forces Martin to write her, it's through her eyes we experience the beauty of what knights/chivalry are meant to be, the horror of what it has become. I think that’s missed by a lot of fans who never idealized any of that in the first place, but Sansa isn’t stupid, we’re meant to be disillusioned and horrified right alongside her. It is Sansa's direwolf that is killed to show us the weakness and injustice of Robert, the failure of Ned to adhere to his own ideals. It is Sansa who performs to every high expectation and still suffers, assuring us that it is not rebellion or noncomformity that is the problem, but their world.

The juxtaposition between her and Cersei, the eventual comparisons between her and Dany (this is not a shipping thing y'all, foils are just part of lit), that's where we're getting Martin's discussion of female heirs, power, leadership styles (obvy, with Asha and Arianne too), so yes, Sansa is an important perspective on the corruption and cruelty of court life and KL, but the idea that Sansa is present primarily in service of that, not really? She's important in her own right, a unique form of influence in a world that could really benefit from her ideals, even if we haven't gotten her rise to power yet.

#dot chat

[jackoshadows]

I think most Jonsas looked around and were displeased with the guys GRRM wrote as potential partners for their fave so they landed on Jon because he is one of the few young, completely able-bodied and possibly attractive male characters around and he is not a jerk like Harrold or cruel like Joff. That's it.

Details like whether they give a sh*t about each other or if they are each other type's were completely ignored.

Fanfiction and AUs exist for a reason. If Sansa fans don't like her canonical story and relationships they can dabble in fanfiction. That's the purpose of fanfiction. Some of the most popular relationships in fandom are not canon. Not being canon has never stopped anyone. Personally, I find Jonsa to be bland and boring but go for it. People like what they like. Write all the fanfiction and draw all the fanart between the stereotypical disney princess and hot secret prince. That's never been the problem.

The problem is their insistence that Jonsa is canon, work backwards from there, mutilate and mangle the book characters, themes and relationships to shove Jonsa in there. And when this is pointed out, gaslight and attack book readers for being sexist haters of Sansa. It's tiresome.

Hence why we get utter idiocy about how Sansa was traumatized and bitter about Ned's favoritism towards Arya and yet Jon loves Sansa so much it's simply too painful for him to even think of her 😂

Jon Snow needs an entirely new personality and completely different story for Jonsa to happen and so we are stuck with a shallow, Littlefinger type who has a crush on the bully who mocks Arya for being ugly and horsefaced 🙄.

The issue with Jonsa shippers are their sexist, classist tirades on the tags against Dany, Arya, Jon etc. for daring to be tier one main characters with well defined central plots and complex themes that revolve around them, where the author has painstakingly written in relationships and leadership arcs for them, given them conflict and critical thinking skills and build this world of secondary characters to support these main characters.

Sansa fans read Jon's political intelligence and diplomacy, Arya's arc of being unable to fit, discovering her place in the world, her relationship with her father, the North and her siblings, the Lyanna parallels, Dany's revolutionary Queen getting the love of the people and want all that for Sansa. Hence the essays about how Jon and Dany are terrible rulers, how it's Sansa who was the outsider and outcast (Ned's so called favoritism is all about this).

The popular Sansa in fandom now is a self insert, a mish-mash of other characters and made up headcanons. Her most popular ship is a crackship, her relationships with Jon, Arya, Ned etc. has been rewritten. She is perennially a victim, has no agency. Right from Jon I AGoT, Sansa is an abuse victim. (All the while blaming Dany for not stopping the Khalasar's rape under Drogo!).

The fandom dichotomy when it comes to Sansa Stark is the insistence that only she be read like a realistic 11/12 year old and treated like a little child with respect to all her actions and yet she is also the most shipped character of the series!

As per fandom, Sansa is a little child who cannot understand when adults tell her a situation is dangerous or a drug is dangerous and yet she is also shipped romantically with a 27 year old adult who falls for this child. A child when it comes to her thoughts and actions, an adult when it comes to romance, love, marriage and babies.

Often someone will mention how much they love Sansa because she’s just so realistic, implying all the other characters are not realistic for their age.

And yet while we get called ‘pedophiles’ and perverts for shipping fictional children, fictional incest with age gaps etc. these same folks who appreciate realistic child Sansa will be shipping her with with Sandor Clegane, Jon Snow, Gendry, Willas, Jaime, Tyrion, Young Griff, Stannis, Littlefinger, Daenerys, Arondir, Rand, Harry Hardyng, Tom, Dick, reader etc.  

If Sansa is truly this naive and childlike, unable to understand when the physician is straight up telling her a drug is harmful and dangerous for a sick little boy suffering from epileptic seizures, why are the same readers treating her as being old enough to fall in love and have a romance arc?

Many of these Sansa stans have not read the books. They are fixated on a made up version, confront others based on this made up version. When we then ask for the book quotes they throw a hissy fit, block us, delete/change their blog name and then write essays about the evil Arya/Dany fans lol.

#asks #anti Jonsa

[sing-you-fools]

Here's the thing about problematic fictional characters.

Humans are problematic. We are complex fucked up little creatures and cannot possibly do everything right all the time.

Someday, you are going to be an adult. Maybe you are already. And your best friend is going to have an affair. Or two of your buddies are going to start talking about the times they almost got DUIs and how they got out of it. One of your friends is going to buy [product] when we're supposed to be boycotting [product]. Someone you love will get an MBA, or develop a fast fashion habit that makes you want to weep for the environment, or make a parenting choice you really don't agree with.

Maybe not any of these specifically, but people you love will do things that you think are wrong. It will happen. There is no way to avoid this. And sure, maybe once or twice it will be something so awful you cannot or will not look past it.

But if you cut out everyone who fucks up, you will be alone forever.

Fictional characters who are otherwise likable "good guys" but do some shitty things don't normalize the shitty thing. They normalize the idea that everyone has their areas of shittiness - yes, even you, to other people - and it's okay to still like them.

People know cheating is bad. No one's reading the Witcher books* and saying, "Hey, this otherwise decent guy keeps cheating on his girlfriends! That must mean cheating is okay!" No! That would be ridiculous. No Arya Stark fan decided to go on a killing spree over it. No Buffy fan thinks every decision Spike ever made was morally correct and fine, even if they do like him. No one watched House and said, yeah that guy's normal and I should act just like him!

We have this conversation on a broad cultural level on a regular basis, it seems - was this thing this famous person said really bad enough for them to deserve getting canceled? Are they inciting violence, or do they just have an opinion we don't like? Or just not know something we didn't realize isn't common knowledge? - but we don't really acknowledge that sometimes it's personal. Sometimes the person who says or does something bad is someone you actually know, someone you see and talk to and love, and you'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth cutting them out of your life. Most of the time, it's not.

Slightly shitty characters prepare us for slightly shitty people. They help us understand that we don't have to like everything about someone in order to like them. And they help dampen the self-hatred when we inevitably realize we were the ones who made a shitty mistake this time.

Moral purity is an impossible standard to hold anyone to, but if it's all we're used to seeing in the stories we love, it becomes easier and easier to forget that.

*which, disclaimer, I've never read, or seen the show, but this post was inspired by a post about them and how the show filed off all the "problematic" edges that made the books good storytelling in the first place

#moral purity isn't real #sing-you-fools

[writingquestionsanswered]

Is it possible to fix an orphan trope if the chosen one trope (which I’m not a big fan of) is excluded and the child still has parental figures to try to keep them in line ?

The Convenient Orphan Cliché

So, quick reminder that tropes aren't bad. Tropes are familiar devices that appear in certain types of stories. But when tropes are used the same way over and over, or in ways that are silly, they become cliché, and clichés are bad because they're unoriginal and have lost meaning due to silliness and overuse.

Three Types of Orphans in Fiction

True Orphans, who have lost both parents and do not (and will not) have the love and support of any guardian. This story is usually about how the character makes their way in the world as an orphan.

Orphans No More, who have lost both parents--either in the past or at the start of the story--and are living with or sent to live with a guardian who is or will become a loving guardian.

Not Actually Orphans, who think they lost their parents long ago, but find out they were actually separated from their family by unusual circumstances.

What is the "Orphan Trope?"

The "Orphan Trope" is any of the above uses, where being an orphan is a fundamental part of the story, not just a device of convenience. Kaz Brekker and Arya Stark are True Orphans, without loving and supportive guardians, who must go to great lengths to make their way in the world as orphans. They also both have revenge arcs. Annie, Anne of Green Gables, and Heidi are Orphans No More, whose lives change for the better when they're placed with loving and supportive guardians. Anastasia--though she did truly lose her parents--qualifies as Not Actually an Orphan because she has a grandmother and other family whom she was unknowingly separated from.

When Orphans Don't Work

-- your character is only an orphan because parents would stand in the way of things you want your character to do.

-- your character is only an orphan because you think it makes them more interesting, more sympathetic, or more dramatic.

-- being an orphan has nothing to do with the actual story and/or who your character became.

So... from what you've described to me, you have nothing to worry about. Your character has a loving and supportive guardian. And if being an orphan is part of their story as "The Chosen One" it's not a device of convenience or drama, so you're in good shape.

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[dragons-i-guess]

I can't be the only one who's fallen in love with fanfics more than they've ever fallen in love with the original works. I don't know what it is about them, but there are certain fics, certain fan versions of characters, that just speak to me far more than their canon versions ever do.

The two prime examples for me are Arya Stark from A Wolf Amongst Lions and Luke Lars and Darth Vader from the Guides Verse. I really don't care that much for Arya Stark in canon, either book canon of show canon. They just feel too "i'm not like other girls" for me, and show Arya especially feels like she becomes way too r/iamverybadass. But Kallypso's version of Arya Stark . . . it just does something for me. I think she is probably my favorite character in any piece of fiction I've read, original or otherwise. And similarly, I've never been that invested in the character of Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, but Luke Lars in the Guides Verse just hits different.

So yeah. Couldn't tell you why, but where Martin and Lucas failed to really capture my attention, Kallypso and Jackdaw Kraai succeeded. I'm betting I'm not the only one with a story like this.

#fan fiction #fanfic #a wolf amongst lions #guides verse #got #star wars #house stark

[thewitchqueenofharrenhal]

You’re getting all of us venting in your askbox, so first thank you! And also, sorry!

I gave the “stop saying Arya is ugly and drawing her nonwhite” crowd a benefit of the doubt and looked at their blogs. It was a lot of vague posting about the “people who call her ugly” but I didn’t see actual posts where they idk “caught” someone doing that. Just talking about how people can’t read, the lack of responds/defending to being called out so Arya stans must be right and all that. Some it seemed they had spoken to people who stopped responding/blocked them which like isn't an admissin of guilt on the responders part but like also they could take it as a win and say we did it?

So I’m not convinced, but I kept going. I saw them complaining about artists depicting Arya as nonwhite. which isn’t bad imo but why did THEY think it is? I wanna know why it’s bad and if I’m wrong. It is apparently (if I’m reading it correctly) it’s an issue going back to the ugly thing and in general dislike of Arya. It is a criticism of depicting the Starks as nonwhite because of their “plain” features. It’s a “pattern” of artists depicting “plainer characters” as nonwhite.

…ok BUT non of the artists claimed that plain=ugly nor that plain=nonwhite, NOR ugly=nonwhite. So it seems like a personal reading/interpretation, which is why people are calling the Arya stans racist. But they claim it's "ignore canon for Arya and uphold canon for Sansa so she can be white" but again, it's like just interpreting a set of characters as nonwhite. and i'll give them that, why don't artist focus on the POCs already in the story? BUT! this is about Arya and the starks. So again stark looking = nonwhite in certain artists interpretations and Tully looking = still white. So why does Arya look the darkest compared to her full blooded siblings? (i think that's the question they're asking?) But again, Arya is the most Stark looking kid Cat birthed... there's the answer.

So is it just hating on artists? (even the BIPOC ones) that are depicting characters in a manner which you don’t personally like/agree with, are "reading the canon wrong", than blocking is a feature meant for you to not see things to upset you.

ok so what else is the complaint? and it went back to the ugly thing. And they're right, Arya is NOT ugly. She's 9-11 so I'm not sure how this is important...

Again, this seems like Arya stans own interpretation of Arya as nonwhite in fanart. So... do they think nonwhite=ugly is my question?

I am admittedly a coward and do not want to ask them this off of anon so I will not but I don't think they get that that's how they come across. Like yes thanks for compiling a list of the times Arya is listed as pretty in the canon.... what does that have to do with fanart depicting her as looking different than her mother and sister (when canonically she ... looks different than her mother and sister)??????

??????????

Feel free to vent 🤝🩷

To my understanding no one is actually trying to call a literal fictional child ugly. People just pushed back on the recent which honestly actually sounds tradwife-ish narrative being pushed around Arya Stark. The narrative being that she will be the most feminine cis girl in the world and have tons of heterosexual sex with a bunch of strong masculine men and if you don’t agree with that you’re actually a fake fan at least that’s what the so called real Arya fans claim.

Yeah I don’t know where the narrative came from that the Starks are ugly. We know it’s established they have a “northern look” that Arya, Ned, Jon, Lyanna have and Sansa,Robb, Bran etc don’t. I don’t recall there ever being an implication of them being ugly.

The North also faces xenophobia from the rest of Westeros they are established to be “othered” with Dorne. So why it would be far fetched for non white artists to see themselves in House Stark is beyond me. Again no one is claiming House Stark to be white. They’re simply seeing themselves in their favorite house. Its so vile to me to see them screaming about “blackwashing” that’s not a real thing and it’s fucking disgusting to see.

Ultimately anon they’re just reactionaries. This is a fandom that hasn’t had a new book in over 12 years and everyone is just stewing. I would curate your fandom experience to the most peaceful it can if you’re gonna be a part of the asoiaf fandom lol and I’m sure you know that if you’ve been here a while.

#anon

[wynebceffylarya]

#game of thrones #gendrya #got #arya x gendry #fan fiction #fan fic #gendry x arya #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #arya stark x gendry waters

[la-pheacienne]

I get that it's frustrating to be a Daenerys fan in fandom scratching about the loss of slaver culture and only one Stark, but what does dead ladies club has to do with it? At all?

Oh that's an interesting question nonnie. Nonnie is talking about that post here that I tagged as "anti dead ladies club I guess?".

I will explain. I have no problem with the characters included in Dead Ladies Club, nor with the general idea of the person who created Dead Ladies Club per se, it was a pretty valid commentary on the way GRRM created his fictional world. May I remind you nonnie that Dead Ladies Club was a meta commentary on GRRM's carelessness/indifference towards certain female characters. That's all it was, and that's all it should be.

What happened though is that the fandom blew this idea out of proportion, rebranded it as the sole feminist interpretation of the story, then, following a perverse fandom metastasis, it was as if the very soul of these Dead Ladies got transferred to specific female characters that share certain (very few) characteristics with these Dead Ladies. And this was necessary because no reader can seriously read the books only for Dead Ladies, they are barely there in the story, and we don't know anything about them. So the transfer to more active female characters was necessary. That's how we ended up with Sansa stans and then Alicent stans.

All these peculiar fandom tendencies have in common is this : their hatred for the actual female protagonists of the story Dany, Arya, and later Rhaenyra. The ones the author of the story specifically created to tell the story of women suffering because of misogyny and violence and hatred and trying to break free. Any aspiring feminist should either focus on these characters or abandon the books, both solutions are valid. Not caring about them/actively hating them though? What are you even doing then reading this story? You can definitely go read something else.

Unfortunately, internalised misogyny got the best of what remained of the Dead Ladies Club fanbase, now transferred to Sansa and Alicent. Instead of just pointing out some gaps in GRRM story and juxtapose them with male representation, which was the initial idea, this new and very dangerous fandom cancer has one single goal : to shit on female characters that somehow were stronger/more willful than the rest of them and were active players in their own arc.

That's why Lyanna Stark has been excluded from this club by the enlightened fandom, despite the fact that she was literally the first female character mentioned there, if I remember correctly. Why? Because people finally realised that Lyanna wasn't a poor rape victim, instead she eloped with the man she loved to escape from her imminent forced marriage to a horrible man she had no esteem for. She was willful and strong, and she wanted to choose how she lived her life. That's why she doesn't belong to our Golden Pantheon of Reverenced Victims.

Because that's what Dead Ladies Club is today. From a commentary on the author's indifference towards some of his characters it became a reverence of "soft femininity" which, in this context, is code for submissiveness, agreeableness, conformism and conservatism, all the traits that our two female protagonists do not possess.

Of course you can tell me that not all Dead Ladies Club "stans"/ Sansa stans/ Alicent stans hate Dany and Arya. Well maybe not, there are millions of people on this planet. Do you personally know one? I don't.

So if I want to be exact I should have tagged it as "anti dead ladies club stans" + anti Sansa stans + anti Alicent stans.

I hope I answered your question.

#anonymous #anti dead ladies club #anti sansa stans #anti alicent stans #asoiaf #fire and blood #got #daenerys Targaryen #Arya stark #rhaenyra targaryen #lyanna stark

[reginarubie]

The first time I read asoiaf -I'll be honest- I felt weird. Then I read your metas and realized why I felt this way, it was my love-horror sense tingling 😭

reading D@ny chapters in agot -or any of Bran- gives this feeling of watching Ari Aster movies or The Witch, like they are making deals with devil 😭😂

Ciao nonny,

Asoiaf is very complex, and some of the horrors of it are not so clear to a first reader; there are multiple layers to it. Most of my metas have been caused by people sending an ask and causing a light bulb to light in my mind (see the dark!Dany and blood sacrificing Dany metas)

Or simply I made the connection out of the blue (like my Lucifer means Lightbringer metas).

And to be quite honest with you, even those could not have seen the light of the day without my amazing mutuals to whom I have privately whined and run a first rough draft through.

I mean, @sansaissteel has been of tremendous help especially with the realization that, all in all, Rhaego is what the valyrian would've called a chimera and that it happened after a blood sacrifice, like it happened in old Valyria.

In the same way @fromtheboundlesssea has been instrumental for the new (still yet to come, I've just started to scratch at its surface) biblical meta.

And more often than not the whole thing is spurned by some convo (like the latest biblical/secular meta about the figure of the Virgin Mary, the Mother and the mothers of asoiaf) for which we can thank @esther-dot and @minitafan.

And most of my metas have been born that way. From some comment someone made, or the light bulb going off in my mind out of the blue, and from the amazing conversations we can engage in, in this corner of the fandom.

And I couldn't agree more, the AGOT chapters of both Dany and Bran are like already foreshadowing the line they are walking on, and that they either will cross or remain on the right side of. We always comment on how Dany and Jon are foils, and Dany and Sansa are written to become moral rivals, and Arya is supposed to outgrow her childish awe at the dragons to see the horror they actually bring in the world (after the whole point of her growing fiercely more hating of how fire is used during warcraft); but the real antitheses and foils are actually Dany an Bran.

Horror follows them almost more closely than others, and certainly more closely than others they toy with it. Imo Bran is foreshadowed to sacrifice his abilities (and thus his possibilities to not feel like a cripple) for the good of everyone, which is the choice I think Dany will fail to make in the end; as we see Bran growing ever so restless but realizing that something is afoot and having the advantage of having been raised by Ned Stark; Dany is just a slow descent.

Horror is a great part of asoiaf and so layered I think not even Martin has done everything on purpose; some of it might have happened by chance and actually fit the plot. As I myself write stories and fan fictions I have noticed my brain at times plants the seeds of plot-twists I haven't even started to plan, before I realize I want to write them and then suddenly start to fit as if I had planned it beforehand.

Both Dany and Bran are actually engaging with “devils”.

The dragon for Dany and the three eyed raven for Bran... and come to think of it:

both creatures are symbolically connected between them and to the number three (three dragons, the dragon must have three heads; and the three eyes of the raven in Bran' dream and the three eyed raven); both connected to the color black (which would beg on a meta in itself) and red (might actually had another layer to the red decoded series of meta).

And.....I am stopping there before this gets out of hand, but trust me on this nonny, I will return to this matter, because you just opened the lid of a Pandora box and my hands are already itching to write it, but it needs research and a more throughout writing method. But I will address this matter because damn what you haven't just exposed in my mind.

Thank you, as always for dropping by. Sending all my love; I hope you have a wonderful day/afternoon/night, whatever depending on where you live!

Do drop by again, I'm always happy to hear from you all and you all are extremely instrumental in the insanity that is my writing-metas-method!, I'm always ready to be unleashed on the fandom with brand new ideas and metas sparked by all of your genial comments and asks!

*demonic mumbling*

Forever itching to write new metas,

~G.

#anon asks #ask the hag #metas metas metas #hello darkness my old friend #i've come to talk with you again #demonic screeches #mumble mumble #fingers always itching to write new metas #*demonic mumble* #Have you ever considered — lets endless scroll unroll — the link between Dany' “the dragon” and the “three eyed raven/bloodraven” for Bran? #NOW I AM #my spidey sense is tingling #My motto will be “The meta is coming” from now on #like a promise #like a threat

[shieldofrohan]

While Sansa hate is generally rooted in misogyny, she mainly get criticized because she dare to oppose fans faves. Ned, Jon, Ary@, Tyrion were already fan faves and established underdogs to fandom. Sansa at some point had opinions that clash with them. Plus her romanticism of Lannisters who were villain in first book(though she didn't know) made people to hate her more. People now realising that she wasn't evil was because she get abused in ACOK for things she believes in.

Hello Anon,

You are mostly right.

Society really hates women... who act like women in the most traditional sense and like you said Sansa hate comes from this hate mostly. Therefore I see no reason for trying to change these people's opinions about Sansa because the root of the problem is deeper than hating some 11 yo fictional girl. They have some intellectual issues to solve before having an opinion over a fictional world. So fck them.

You are very on point about Sansa's constant position as an opponent to those characters. Sansa clashes with these characters BUT the thing is: these characters are NOT the good/right parties in these clashes. And this is what makes this Sansa hate: annoying and stupid.

Ned: neglectful and awful father -> but Sansa is the ungrateful traitor daughter.

Jon: tbh they don't even clash, they are just not closed but for some reason people think 3 years younger Sansa was the reason of his problems aka being a bastard?? Ned was the reason of his problems and if anything Robb was the sibling who made Jon’s life harder as the first trueborn son. So in this case the fandom is reaching too far.

Arya: awful violent jealous sister who constantly makes Sansa's life miserable -> but Sansa is evil because she is dutiful, skillful and beautiful... Arya is the one who clashes Sansa not the other way around.

Tyrion: he wants to fck his child bride but she doesn't want to fck him -> evil btch.

As you can see, yes Sansa clashes with those but it's them who project their insecurities onto her.

Ned wanted to use her without regarding her own feelings and wishes and he neglected her because he was consumed with protecting his friend, secrets or Arya and he was ashamed of his decision to kill Lady etc... He was neglecting her because of his own failures.

Jon was hurt by her accepting the difference between a trueborn/full sibling and a bastard/half one. Sansa was aware of the realities in life and unlike other Stark children she wasn't ignorant about this difference. Other Stark kids also see and acknowledge Jon's status but they act like it doesn't matter even though they were calling him bastard/half brother. Sansa was more observant than others when she pointed out Jon's jealousy over a prince... she was aware that Jon was not ok with being a bastard and he was jelaous because of that. Arya's response to Sansa's true words show that Arya (and others) was blind to his inner struggle most of the time. Sansa knows the truth, she doesn't act like Jon is just like them and she still acts nice and kind to him. So when Jon sounds bitter about her calling him a half brother it's because HE is insecure about his position and it's not Sansa's fault. It's HIM being bitter over his status and not over Sansa's realistic approach to situation.

Arya's jealousy paints Sansa as an evil sister but you can actually see that it's all in her head. Sansa doesn't act like a proper lady to make Arya look bad and she is not beautiful to make Arya feel ugly. But she is projecting her insecurities onto her and because of that she can't see that Sansa is actually trying to invite her to her own life/circle (we see in the very first Arya chapter that Sansa tries to invite Arya into their conversation and she covers fo her against Septa but Arya blindly doesn't see these kindness) but Arya is always on alert and ready to dismiss this because she doesn't feel confident enough to be a part of her life because she fears that she'll look inadequate.

Tyrion is just a sick bitter fck... not even gonna examine him. He is a p*edo and has major father and women issues and he gets angry at Sansa for not solving his own personal problems.

So as you can see, these chars are not even the right parties in these face-offs but fandom still hates Sansa and finds her at fault.

About her romanticising Lannisters, I've already talked about that here: xx and her situation with Lannisters is more logical than what fandom tries to paint. The reasons of her actions regarding Lannisters were actually understandable and the bad outcome comes from others' decisions mostly, not from Sansa's. She acted reasonable enough with the information that was GIVEN to her.

She was observant enough to see Joff's anger (AGOT Sansa I), she blamed Queen for Lady's death, she saw King as an useless and scary drunk, she knew that not taking sides was logical (people forget that nothing happened to Arya/Joff after that Trident trial... so yeah Sansa made things better not worse, Mycah and Lady's death had nothing to do with her), she was rightly angry at her neglectful father who kept her in dark and used her for his own agenda and she innocently ASKED FOR HELP from the person who could help. Her actions were reasonable and they had no significant effect in the end (remember Grrm saying that show!Sansa NOT going to Cersei didn't bother him... and guess what?! nothing has changed in the end).

So if we can see all of these, why don't the haters? Because they hate girly girls or they need to hate Sansa to make their own faves look better. In both cases the reality of the story and chars won't change their opinions because they can't and don't want to change their opinions about her. Therefore I disagree with you a little: I don't think people know realize she is not bad. Very few people can truly admit that they fell for POV trap and now they see her truly. The hate is still going strong I am afraid. Haters still hate her after the torture and abuse she endured and if anything they feel like these bad things happened to her because she DESERVED it, so for them this is her punishment.

Mostly the new readers are more prepared to read the books with better understanding thanks to fans who write about Sansa and I also believe that Sansa's rewarding show ending made people question about fanon!Sansa and real!Sansa so they are more open minded and ready to see things clearly.

Thanks for the ask, have a nice day.

#mine #ask #anon #answered #reply #asoiaf #sansa stark #sansa stark defense squad #anti arya stark #anti arya stans #just to be safe

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Me: The A*ya tag can't be that bad. It can't be. I like A*ya too I should go to her tags and see what other fans that's not from my usual circle has to say about her! I can't take what other people say at face value! I should decide for myself how bad something actually is!

(the first post in her tags: literally about how OP is a 'stark sisters enemies truther' and how ar*a should never forgive sansa for the 'trauma' she inflicted on ar*a and how OP wants them to fight with ar*a winning and killing sansa)

me: *crying sobbing* I'm never venturing outside my circle ever again

Sorry to kind of vent in your inbox but man. That was AWFUL. I feel like a little kid in a cliche movie who ventured out into the wild despite their parents warning them not to do so because the outside world is dangerous, only to find out that yes the outside world IS dangerous and they learned the hard way

Why is it that the one thing I wish Sansa fans to be wrong about is actually right. Yall always right but at what cost

'stark sisters enemies truther' Wtf. 😂

I'm sorry you saw that anon. I encourage people to filter and block because the ASOIAF fandom can be pretty disturbing, and in my experience, that corner is the worst about looking for things to be angry about and then sending anon hate.

I’m not sure what happened there, if at any point their corner of the fandom was better, but they hate Sansa more than I have ever hated a fictional character. The seething rage they experience every day that Sansa exists and is loved (in-world and by her own fandom here) is extreme. I remember one of their more popular bloggers saying they’d be ok with Arya dying if it meant they got to watch Sansa die too.

I didn’t know they wanted Arya to kill her (for me, her threatening Sansa in s7 was the most traumatizing thing the show did ), but many of them were hoping Sansa would die in the show, and this one fan was commenting on other people’s posts fantasizing about show Jon killing her.

I’m guessing there are lots and lots of calmer Arya fans, but the active bloggers tend to be jonry@s and I’m gonna guess they’re resentful of how popular jonsa became in comparison. I mean, I love the Jon and Arya relationship, I was disappointed by how they were handled in s8, but that must have been a really bitter pill for their fandom.

Jon: Come visit me.

Arya: I’d rather go to sea and never set foot in Westeros again.✌🏻

ANYWAY, I wrote a little fic (show verse) about Arya and Sansa’s relationship, and in Healing I have some moments between them as well because I think Arya needs love and understanding, not kinslaying?? 😳 Where the Shadow Ends does a beautiful job working through post canon (show) Arya's issues/reconciling her relationships. I don't have any recs for book verse, but some of us did attempt some wish-fulfillment that's a little less horrifying!

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[aegor-bamfsteel]

Do you think Lyanna Stark is beautiful in books? Sansa is mention beautiful by many characters so does Dany. According to Howland and Ned she was beautiful but no one else mention it. Since Robert and Rhaegar were after her for different reasons fans had assume that she is most beautiful woman. Forgetting that she is a teenage girl and get abducted by old man.

I couldn’t find the specific anti-Rhägar/Lyanna post that made this clear, but I’ll try to reiterate the point. The photo on top is a stock image of a 14 year old brunette girl (same age as Lyanna was at Harrenhal) and the bottom is a stock image of a 16 year old girl (same age as Lyanna when she died). The most I can say about these models is that they’re pretty, because tbh they look like children to me (those round faces). Even the makeup they’re wearing reminds me of the makeup I’d see on girls in high school trying to look older, not actually convincing me that they’re older. Finding them beautiful on par with adult women seems weird and creepy. Lyanna—a fictional character around their age—wouldn’t seem attractive to me at my age. Maybe when I was in fandom a decade ago I could’ve assessed her attractiveness; now I just see a kid victimized by a man 7-8 years older than her.

A few people describe Lyanna as beautiful: Ned as you’ve said, but also Robert, Kevan said she had a “wild beauty”, Arya and Renly though they never saw her said she was beautiful (if she’s supposed to resemble Margaery, then she was pretty), though Yandel (Lannister stooge that he is) calls her “a wild and boyish thing” with none of Elia’s beauty. Everybody comments on how young Lyanna is however, from Yandel’s crack mentioned above, to Ned’s “child-woman of surpassing loveliness”, Theon calling her a “slim sad girl”, she’s the “wolf girl” or “Stark girl” to the Lannisters and Dæny. She’s never called a woman, because she never had the chance to grow up enough to be one. So any chance of me personally thinking she’s beautiful is out. Considering the majority opinion of those in the books, she’s at least pretty, though not a national-class beauty. This is actually in keeping with GRRM’s Alysues favorites Alysanñe Targaryèn and Alysanné Blackw00d, who are said not to be classic beauties but still beloved anyway due to their alleged activity/kindness/bravery.

#opinion #lyanna stark #anti lyanna x rhaegar #asoiaf