#boschlow talks | Explore Tumblr Posts and Blogs

mdhwrites · 1 year

Note

What are your thoughts on Willow x Hunter?

I… don't care? They're fine. Cute enough, they have something to bond over, both good to each other and exceptionally boring as a couple. They're almost the same person even except one likes lifting weights and plants while the other likes sci-fi and actually matters to the story.

I do not get the hype I guess is what I'm saying. Not that I'm entirely surprised either. It was finally a ship for Willow that wouldn't get you accused of enabling abuse or evil like Boschlow would (seriously people, what the fuck? I don't like the ship but you all need to learn to breathe.) or just all alone like Willuz or Amillow would. For Hunter it was an even bigger reprieve. The show finally told you "Ship them" with a scene without it either breaking up Lumity or being with the CANONICAL LESBIAN.

Seriously, I will not drop that they tie his character arc, effectively starting it three times over, with three different girls and that would be bad without one of them being AMITY. Because each one really does get that "This could be the start of a friendship or a romance" moment with Hunter and that makes me roll my eyes some.

So yeah, they're the safe option. They're the show approved option with no conflict between them, little contrast and it does a good job of entirely making you forget that while Willow questionably worked out before the show (we actually have nothing to go off of one way or another), Hunter almost certainly did. Because child soldier.

Going into that goes into everything that's a mess about Willow though and how much the writers just do not care about her.

So instead, I actually want to talk about two of the complaints about Huntlow that I just think are… The complaint has a purpose but its target is wrong.

"Huntlow stole time from the show."

I actually severely disagree with this. After all, Hunter was always going to get time and his arc is already rushed, to the point where it doesn't really have a middle. It just starts a few times like mentioned above, then Hollow Mind forces a climax on it and we get a little bit of resolution. That was always going to happen because it was a well established as part of the story.

The only question was with who and… Well, Willow was the choice the writers made and they made it for the sake of Huntlow over narrative. And that's the problem. Your complaint is that Hunter's arc is not good and the unfortunate consequence is that giving the arc more focus would have meant Willow just… Not being in S2. Not in a meaningful way because Willow always has to have an excuse from another character to exist.

And the time Huntlow did take? Effectively none. Because they allow Hunter to just consume Gus' role as closest person to Willow, all the Huntlow moments actually get to flow naturally because they have one personal, one on one conversation and then just know EVERYTHING about each other so the rest of it is just glances, blushes, etc. that take no time and you can just move on from.

It's really fucking bad writing but hey! Part for the course.

"It's ableist."

I think the argument for it, what little I've seen, is… dumb. And puts way more importance and impact on the two's magical handicaps WAY more than the show literally ever did. And again, the complaint is kind of missing the real problem.

Eda's curse was an AMAZING disability allegory. Unlike so many shows where the dude in a wheelchair is actually in a SUPER WHEELCHAIR SO HE CAN KICK BUTT LIKE ANYONE EL-

No. Eda was genuinely held back by the curse. She didn't let it hold her back though. She instead took her medicine, watched out for the things that may trigger her and the curse, etc. like that. It wasn't a super power but it also didn't stop her from being an exceptional person. From living the life she wanted. As someone struggling with disability myself due to anxiety and depression… That's what I want.

I don't want characters being super powered from it is not. Or being cured. And Eda gets a super saiyan form, Gus takes out a fucking coven head and Flapjack DIES and their sacrifice gives Hunter magic. The cure to his disability (and I know this was not the intention since Hunter was dying from other things but it still matters) is another person's LIFE.

When I can say for myself that my number one goal in life is not to be a burden for others due to my jacked up brain.

So… I would say people are right to say this gets borderline offensive to disabled people but it's REALLY not Huntlow's problem.

Huntlow's problems really are about the show's problems. The problems inherent to these two characters. But, as I've shown in this blog even, for being able to say SO MUCH about the two characters… There's really not a lot to say about the ship. It's there, it's cute, they don't do anything that would make people hate it outside of… I dunno, being straight? At least there is a positive straight couple in the show that isn't dead.

It's a mess but only because the show is a mess. But it's hardly one worth actually throwing a fit over.

#Huntlow #Hunter #Willow #TOH #Rambles

14 notes · View notes

ottisbuns · 1 year

Note

uhhhh toh, raeda, and thennnnnn caleb

Ok wow this was a lot and ended up taking a hot minute, but anyways

001 | The Owl House:

Favorite character: Luz Noceda, I am a basic "Main Character Enjoyer" bitch like that

Least Favorite character: This is hard because all of the characters are so good in their intended role, but if I had to pick the one that I dislike the most as like, a person? Tibbles. The only thing worse than a Genocidal Maniac Tyrant is a capitalist.

5 Favorite ships (canon or non-canon): Help me I have too many ships I like. I am a serial multi/poly crackshipper. Saying Lumity and Raeda feel like cheating, so I will be giving my top five crackships/rarepairs, in no particular order. Camilraedarius, Skara/Luz, Emira/Viney, Skara/Viney and Skara/Boscha.

Character I find most attractive: Probably Emira, for reasons that will become evident soon.

Character I would marry: Oh this is a tough one... most characters are either significantly older or significantly younger than me so picking one feels weird... Hooty will treat me right, I just know it.

Character I would be best friends with: Luz. We could bond over being neurodivergent and enjoying fanfiction and shipping.

a random thought: Emira's hair gives me gender envy

An unpopular opinion: The entire show should be replaced with Lumity screentime Honestly my opinions are pretty basic, and I'm also really bad at knowing what opinions are unpopular, but the one opinion I could see getting me crucified is that I don't have that strong an opinion on Huntlow? I see its value as a ship, but I don't have strong personal feelings on it.

My Canon OTP: LUMITY. They're the whole reason I even got into this show.

My Non-canon OTP OT5: Ok, listen, hear me out here because I'm about to sound completely insane, but Luz/Amity/Willow/Skara/Boscha. I realize this doesn't make me seem less insane but I had to get it off my chest. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Most Badass Character: Amity, her fight scenes are amazing.

Most Epic Villain: Kikimora Belos told her to go find a hole to die in, and she did. Truly the most henchperson of all time.

Pairing I am not a fan of: Picking from actually semi-prevalent ships, probably Boschlow? I'll still devour fanfiction about it given the option, but especially in canon I don't think it works.

Character I feel the writers screwed up (in one way or another): The Writers? None. Disney by shortening the show? The Covenheads.

Favourite Friendship: Luz and Hunter, though they're more like siblings so does it still count?

Character I most identify with: S3 Luz

Character I wish I could be: EMIRA GIVE ME YOUR HAIR I WANT IT

002 | Raeda:

When I started shipping them: I have very few memories of my early time in the fandom, which was quite late, so basically for as long as I can remember

My thoughts: That one screenshot of Raine bridal carrying Eda with That Expression™... yeah...

What makes me happy about them: How they were so in sync even as kids and stuck together for so long until...

What makes me sad about them: ...they were torn apart by the curse.

Things done in fanfic that annoys me: I know a lot of them were written before we even knew Raine existed, but Camileda fanfiction where Raine isn't acknowledged still bothers me.

Things I look for in fanfic: Established Raeda is always fun in AUs, bonus points if it's Camilraeda and they are all raising Luz, Vee and King.

My wishlist: NOW KISS

Who I’d be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other: Frequently bought together DO NOT SEPARATE! but I guess if I have to then Camila for Eda and I guess I could see Darius for Raine?

My happily ever after for them: They get married and help take care of Luz and Hunter with Camila.

003 | Caleb:

How I feel about this character: He wife guyed too close to the sun and it's still haunting the narrative. Iconic.

Any/all the people I ship romantically with this character: His wife Evelyn, duh.

My favorite non-romantic relationship for this character: His connection to Hunter, if you can call that a relationship.

My unpopular opinion about this character: I'm not super interested in like a flashback to his time in Connecticut to be honest, I'd enjoy seeing more of his time and relationship with Evelyn, but his time in Gravesfield isn't that compelling to me

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: One thing I think could have some really neat potential is if he somehow could have a heart-to-heart with Hunter. I think that could be fascinating.

Favorite friendship for this character: I mean, there aren't exactly a lot of options but I think he and Luz could be great friends.

My crossover ship: Caleb X Not Dying

#the owl house #I am not tagging all the characters mentioned here #no way #smokestarrules #I don't get to talk about The Owl House nearly as much as I'd want to because none of my friends outside of Tumblr are into it #and on Tumblr I am but a humble reblogger with no original posts so I only really interact with the community through tags and replies #so I have a lot of pent up energy

2 notes · View notes

haystarlight · 2 years

Note

For the ask game: The Owl House

Send me a movie/book/show and I’ll tell you:

favorite character:

Edalyn Clawthorne, aka Eda the Owl Lady. It always goes back to her. She's this amazing character with such a good sense of humor and interesting personality. We need more characters like her, who show us that older women can be smart and strong and powerful (and, yes, super hot). I also know her story is very important to people with chroninc ilness or mental illness or dissabilities. I don't personally have something like that but I do really relate to her in other ways.

least favorite character:

Oh, Boscha. Definetly Boscha. She's just annoying and boring. Like, yeah I get it, we needed a bully character that wasn't like Amity and wouldn't want to become friends with the other kids because a bully character can facilitate stories like WILW and OUAS and MLC more easily. And like, her design looks good. But we could never see her again and I would not miss her at all.

Every time she talks I just want her to shut up. Why are people giving Hunter grief? she's the one with the annoying voice. I think some people do want Boscha to become a nicer person and grow and mature and, I mean, she's 15. She's still very young, she could eventually grow up into a better person with time. But I'm not as interested in seeing her grow as I was with Amity or Sasha Waybright.

brOTP:

Oh, I'm having a hard time choosing. I really like Luz and King because they remind me of myself and my little brother.

I also love Hunter and Luz because I like that sort of friendship where two people constantly make fun of each other and annoy and insult each other but it's never with bad intentions. Like, they give each other a hard time but, in the end, you know it's their way of showing they care for each other. And I think it's super sweet how Luz went and sacrificed herself for Hunter in CATH. I understand why people ship it, even though I choose to see them as platonic friends.

OTP:

Raine and Eda, aka Raeda. They have such a rich and powerful story together. Their emotional scenes always get to me so bad. They always make me feel the angst and the joy and the EVERYTHING. I get so excited whenever I see them interact. I really hope they get their well-deserved happy ending, because Idk what I'd do with myself if they didn't. Also, Eda's Requiem/Raine's Rhapsody is such a beautiful song.

OT3:

I don't really have any poly ships for this fandom, unlike with Amphibia or Shera or STVFOE, all of my ships are just 2 people. I don't really see any characters in a polyamorous relationship. Tho I support the fans who do.

I guess the closest thing I have to an OT3 is the Emerald Trio (Hunter, Willow and Gus). But not with Gus as part of the relationship, I like Huntlow as a ship by itself. More like, their trio of friendship. More like, as much as Hunter and Willow are already a couple by themselves, their friendship with Gus is a big piece of their relationship. Like, their mutual friendship with Gus is something that makes them more dynamic as a couple. And they totally invite him to come with on most of their dates. He's the third wheel but he's happy about it.

NOTP:

Boscha and Willow, aka Boschlow. Mostly because I don't like Boscha as a character, like I said before.

Like, I understand why people ship it; it kinda has an Enemies to Lovers vibe. Like, it might remind some people of Early Season 1 Lumity. The difference between Boschlow and Lumity however, Luz and Amity were more rivals than bully/bullying victim. Like, as much as Amity gave Luz a hard time, Luz also went out of her way to annoy Amity; it was a mutual rivalry. Whereas, Boscha always attacked Willow unprovoked. Willow just wanted to be left alone and Boscha kept bothering her. Unlike with Lumity, where they both annoyed each other.

Also, Boscha is shown to be a constant bully throughout Willow's whole childhood. Like, it seems she kept bothering her for years and years. That's a long time of built-up resentment and maybe even trauma, it's hard to take that and try to build a relationship from it. (Similar to how it took a long time for Willow to forgive Amity and be her friend again). Unlike Lumity, where their rivalry was short-lived so they didn't really have that much built-up resentment to deconstruct before getting to the Friends to Lovers portion.

Before Huntlow was presented to me as the beautiful ship that it is, I used to ship Willow with Skara (Skarlow). Because Skara was never really a bully to Willow, she was more Boscha's lackey and it looked like she might have a good heart and a good sense of humor under her blind loyalty to Boscha. Low and behold, it turns out I was right! She does have a good heart! Skara seems like a very sweet girl. And I support people who continue to like Skarlow.

favorite storyline:

Aww, maaaaan. So hard to choose. They’re all sooooo gooooood.

Maybe Eda’s character arc going from “I keep everyone at a distance, I don’t make connections, I don’t want a family” to “I AM EVERYONE’S MAMA! I HAVE 3 CHILDREN AND I WILL ADOPT 3 MORE IF LEFT TO MY OWN DEVICES!”. Like, it’s more complex than that. Something something emotional vulnerability something something allowing yourself to open your heart to people.

And Hunter’s character arc of him learning Philip is a bad dude and slowly easing his way to rebellion. Something about him going from “Human (derogatory)” to “Luz (affectionate)” really hits me where I live, I’m not really sure why. I don’t know if it’s a redemption arc because I never saw him as a villain but it’s definetly an improvement arc. And I feel like it could’ve been done better with more time but.... you know, Godspeed.

least favorite storyline:

I don’t know....... the Bat Queen maybe? I don’t dislike her! she’s fine! I just.... you know. Now that we’re going godspeed and we don’t have time for this... that’s it, we don’t have time for this. I don’t care who the Bat Queen’s owner was, we don’t have time for that! I don’t wanna spend what precious time we have with the Bat Queen that we could be spending with the kids.

Also, we haven’t really seen it yet so it doesn’t count but.... the fact that Belos is not 100% dead. I despise that with every fiber of my being. I want him to be dead so badly. I don’t wanna spend a single second on Philip anymore. I just want him dead. And I have faith that the crew knows what they’re doing but just.... I would’ve been so happy if The Collector flicking him had been it. Like I was so relieved when The Collector tagged him, I was like “FINALLY”. And now it looks like he’s coming back and I’m like “WHY WON’T YOU STAY DEAD”.

Also, the fact that Belos survived The Collector trying to kill him makes me feel like it makes The Collector less scary. If he tried to kill someone and they survived, then he’s not as scary anymore. Ya feel?

what I wish had happened but didn’t:

I guess this could still happen but it probably won’t. I really wanted to hear Raine sing. Like, I want to hear all the characters sing because they all have really beautiful speaking voices so logic dictates that, if they have a beautiful speaking voice, they’ll have a good singing voice too. But especially Raine because... you know, Bard.

And we probably won’t get that. Not just because ain’t got no time. But also because I know that Dana Terrace doesn’t like musicals so she would never write a musical episode or even just throw me a bone of a single scene to let me hear my angels sing. Just let the theater kid breathe please.

what happened that I wish hadn’t:

I don't know if I can think of anything that I wish hadn't happened. I don't really have any thoughts on that front.

#the owl house #fandom ask game

5 notes · View notes

boschlowtxt · 1 year

Text

i guess the reason boscha and the collector were put together in the same ep as the antagonists is because they're both just kids who want to be a normal kid but can't because they don't realize their actions can hurt others. They're both grasping at anyone they could call a friend not realizing the other is uncomfortable

#boschlow talks #not boschlow #toh spoilers #the owl house #boscha toh #the collector #also damn why do i see more hate for boscha #the collector literally turns people into toys and quite literally controls what they do #and boscha was just being a really shitty leader #if anything boscha is just a weaker collector

272 notes · View notes

kprapture · 4 years

Text

Willow: Hey, Luz said you wanted to talk about something?

Boscha: I don’t have a crush on you! LIES! THE FILTHY EARTH GIRL LIES!!!!!!

Willow: .......I assumed it was about copying the ruins you missed in class last period.

Boscha: Oh.....yeah, that would help a lot. Thanks girl! *Finger Guns in denial*

#for some reason I saw boscha talking like zim #the owl house #willow #boscha #boschlow #invader zim #text comic

31 notes · View notes

edalynn · 1 year

Note

What's Your favorite Williow Ship? Cause I want to draw a bunch of Williow ships that Aren't Huntl0w (cause I hate it) and really appreciate your blog. (So far I have Skarlow, Vinelow, and with the background girl mary[personal crackship])

I loooove vinelow!! You could always add willuz, willumity, & amillow! Or even boschlow depending on how u feel about the reformed bully shipping trope. Veelow is also good! Or maybe… even veeshlow… PLEASE show me when u draw them!! I love seeing cute Willow ships! Rise to Willow, down with HL

#toh #the owl house #Willow park #Willow toh #toh Willow #skarlow #vinelow #willumity #willuz #amillow #boschlow #veelow #veeshlow #taako talks #asks #anons #i know this ask is a little old sorry fudbdjsks

29 notes · View notes

badgirlcovention · 3 years

Text

Speaking of music, this song gives me another AU idea for Boschlow:

https://youtu.be/8vw5kpRimIg

youtube

#The Owl House #Boscha #Willow Park #boschlow #i don't want to talk about this AU until i draw it but #ppl are free to hit my DMs to ask #Youtube

10 notes · View notes

imagine-being-straight · 4 years

Text

A Message to the TOH Fandom

I’m tired.

I feel like everyone in the fandom can agree that the TOH fandom overall has white favoritism. If you actively deny that we have a problem with white favoritism or are offended that I said this, look at yourself and other people who have been talking about this issue. Really look at yourself and ask why you are offended by what I said. Now back to the TOH fandom’s problem with white favoritism. It’s a huge problem and I don’t think people have realized how bad it’s gotten.

Luz and Amity

Do both of them have amazing content created about them? Yes, but if you look a bit closer to the contents of their contents you’ll see a clear disparity between the two. Luz is more likely to be in Lumity art (which itself isn't a problem), but the problem lies in that she is only there for Amity. Is there still content with her alone and highlighting her character? Of course there is, but for every content that exists for Luz solely, there are at least two others for Amity. Don’t get me wrong I love Amity as much as the next person, but she still is a side character. The Owl House focuses on Eda, King, and Luz mainly. They are the main characters.

When I first joined the TOH fandom, I noticed a lot of Amity focused content. A lot more so than I expected since she is a side character. I understand that a factor in her popularity is her crush on Luz and we’re all really excited for confirmed gay characters, but it doesn’t explain how popular she is. She appears in roughly half of season one’s episodes (I know she technically appears in 11 episodes, but some of her appearances are so minor you can easily forget they happened) compared to Luz being in all 18 episodes. Yes Luz isn’t always the focus of these episodes, but she still changes and develops as a character through most of them.

The reason I’m bringing all of this up is that Amity is white and Luz is a POC. Characters of color in the past have been overlooked and underappreciated in the past, not just in this fandom, but it still happens a lot here. Whether it’s conscious or not, we all have been affected by white favoritism and it is our responsibility to recognize it and change. The Owl House brings more than just gay representation: it brings an Afro-Latina Bisexual protaganist with two major side characters, Willow and Gus, being a mixed Asian-Black character and a Black character. You still think I’m full of shit saying there’s white favoritism in the TOH fandom? Well I’m just getting started here.

Willow, Gus, and Boscha

Boscha herself is an interesting character and I think people see a lot of potential for her character, but the problem is that she overshadows a lot of other characters who are much more important and relevant. Willow is a good example of someone who has been constantly overshadowed by Boscha. Most content I see of Willow is usually Boschlow content (I’m not approving or condemning Boschlow here, this is me just stating some facts) and it’s so unfair to Willow as a character. Willow is more than just Luz’s friend or a quiet girl and more people need to realize that. If you can analyze Boscha’s character in the three episodes she is in, you can do the same thing to Willow, who has been in 14 episodes (three more than Amity). There is no excuse for the lack of Willow content and the abundance of Boscha content.

The same thing can be applied to Gus. Sure he doesn’t get very much screen time, but it is still loads more than Boscha. I have seen barely any content about Gus and the few times I do, he is usually with a group and not alone. No one talks about him and I cannot express how underrated he truly is. If you want some funny content with him, play around with his interest in humans and how he has totally misinterpreted things we know as facts. If you want Gus angst, then write about how young he is and how he could be feeling inadequate despite being smart enough to skip two grades. Amity is seen by the fandom as a whole as being extremely smart, but the fact that Gus skipped two grades, a feat Amity has not done herself, truly showcases how smart Gus really is. It’s not that hard to make Gus content and everyone is just sleeping on him.

The fandom loves to attach itself to Boscha, who may I remind you is white. Willow and Gus, who have way more plot relevance and screen time, are constantly pushed aside for more and more Boscha content. Willow and Gus are beautifully written in the show, but most people overlook it for Boscha, who in the show has been fairly one note so far. If your only argument is that you want to show the background characters some love, then where is the Skara content? Skara has just as much screen time as Boscha, but I’ve seen very little content about her. I guarantee if Boscha was a POC she would have the same level of content as Skara, but since she is white she overshadows literally every other POC supporting character, including those who have had more screen time than her. Don’t even get me started on the Detention Track kids and Emira/Viney. This post is already long enough and I don’t need to make it any longer.

Camilia and Alador/Odelia Blight

Right here is the clearest example of the white favoritism of the TOH fandom. Alador and Odalia Blight have gotten so much content about them and we still haven’t seen their faces. You can easily find so much analysis on them and how their parenting must affect the Blight siblings. You can find so much content about them and we know literally nothing about them other than the fact that they’re abusive. I know Alador is set up to be less abusive than Odalia, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is still abusive to his kids. Whether he approved what was going on or not doesn’t matter because he was still complacent with what was happening.

Now let’s look at Camilia and all her content- oh wait there is basically none for her. All the Camilia content is basically nothing other than CamilEda content (again I’m not trying to bash or approve CamilEda, I’m just trying to state some facts). Camilia did make a mistake in setting Luz to the camp, but that does not make her a bad mother. People need to remember one bad action does not make a bad person. I think Dana herself said that Luz and Camilia do love each other, but they do have their differences, which makes things hard sometimes. Camilia truly does care about Luz and tries her best to do what‘s best for Luz and more people need to recognize it. There is so much untapped potential with Camilia’s character, like how she will react to Luz not coming home or what she will do to try to get Luz back. What if she sees all of the recordings Luz has made for her? How will she react? These are all things we can make content on, yet I see so many people sleeping on it.

Now when you compare how the fandom treats both Camilia and the Blight parents, there’s a clear bias in favor for the Blight parents. The Blight parents are given more attention and content despite having less actual screen time and being actual pieces of garbage. Camilia is shoved to the side despite there being plenty to analyze about her and her relationship with Luz. Camilia is also a good person, which is clearly different to the Blight parents. It’s never been a matter of which parent/child relationship is better because they’re both written very well, but rather the fact that Camilia gets shoved aside every time we talk about parent/child relationships. I mean when you look at it, Camilia and Luz’s relationship with each other is literally the Blight family’s dynamic, except the opposite. The only difference between the two families is that one has POCs and the other is white. And to no one’s surprise, the white family gets more attention and analysis than the POC’s family.

Statistics

If you’re still not convinced here's some cold hard evidence that white characters are more favored than POC characters. I’m going to be using AO3’s (archiveofourown) data on how many works a character is tagged in.

On AO3 at around 6:35 PM EST Oct 3, 2020, The Owl House had 1921 works. As we can see Luz is number one (as she should), Willow is number three, and Gus is number four. They’re ranked fairly high (which was a surprise to me), but when you look at how many works they’re actually in, the white favoritism becomes clear. Amity is tagged in around 1480 works and Willow and Gus each are in 730 and 610 respectively. Willow and Gus are in half the works Amity is. Somehow Willow appears in half the works Amity does even though Willow appears more than Amity in the show. Boscha also has 360 works with her in it, half of what Gus and Willow’s works despite being a very minor character who has appeared only a few times. What's worse is that Edric and Emira are literally 200 to 60 works away from Willow and Gus respectively. Edric and Emira, two white characters who have appeared in literally three episodes, but are tagged in nearly the same number of works as two main POC-supporting characters. Now maybe you’re like “Oh the Blight siblings are only so popular because of Lumity, this data is skewed” so the next picture is of all the characters with all of the romantic relationship tags excluded.

The data shows that the fandom favors the white characters so drastically that there is no excuse or other explanation for it. Lumity being popular doesn’t explain why Amity is still the third most written-about character, even with the Lumity tag being blocked. Quantity of episode appearances doesn't explain why Willow has less content about her because Willow appears in three more episodes than Amity does. The only explanation is white favoritism because the most popular characters are all white (with the exception of Luz, but that’s because she is the main character). Before you tell me “Oh it's because they’re more interesting or they have more potential” actually look and analyze the POC characters because they’re amazingly well written if you actually sit down and analyze them.

Why Calling Out White Favoritism Matters

Now you may be asking: why should I care? Well you should care because the fandom as a whole is literally favoring white characters over POC characters, which is low key racist. It makes people care less about POC characters and actual people which can lead to some internalized racism if not caught early enough. The Owl House tries very hard to highlight their POC characters and actively ignoring or dismissing them is disrespecting the show itself.

I feel like I should make it clear that I’m not shaming anyone who’s favorite character just happens to be white. What I’m doing here is being critical of whether or not a person likes a character because they are white (whether that decision is conscious or not). There is a clear difference between “Oh X is my favorite character, but I recognize the other characters are good in their own ways.” and “Oh I love X and only X. I will only use the other characters to further X’s character and completely ignore everyone else’s complexity”. Please take some time and think about why you like a character and see if you unconsciously love them because they are white. No one is immune to it and even I had to realize I was unconsciously favoring white characters while writing something The Owl House related.

The sad part about all of this is that it needs to be said that racism is bad. It needs to be said that white favoritism is extremely toxic and we should make sure we don’t actively take part or be complacent in it. I know for a fact that other POC have seen this white favoritism, but are too numb to say anything about this because they feel like their voices won’t change anything. The few people who have spoken out haven't been listened too. The fact that I had to step up and make this just to try to get people to listen and I might not even make a difference is so sad to me. The fact that I’m young makes me not numb to the white favoritism. The fact that I dealt with, for the first time, racism at the age of 14, which is extremely late for a POC. The fact that the only reason I can be mad about this is because I dealt with racism so late that I have energy to speak out against this and not be numb to this all. I hate that all of this exists and we all let this happen. We all let this problem fester and now it is now our responsibility to get our priorities straight and change. If we let this problem grow and grow, then in a few years this fandom will be a shell of what it once was.

“We can do this together.” -Luz Noceda

#the owl house #toh #lumity #luz noceda #gus porter #willow park #camilia noceda #amity blight #boscha #edric blight #emira blight #alador blight #odalia blight

1K notes · View notes

mdhwrites · 1 year

Note

Sorry, quick correction, I didnt mean to suggest that you should consume content you dont like and complain about it, tags are there to avoid disturbing content, there isnt much point getting heated over it.

The examples i gave were more to emphasise that the betas are more often used for the more heavy/nasty subjects since their older and designed to be more... feral ig?

You're right and my response was more because I'm a little touchy on the subject. Do I think people go too far with the Betas? Possibly. Quite possibly even. I don't really judge that side of the fandom though, besides the questionable quality of their writing, because A: I ignore the content that would be made anyways and B: the rest of this blog. Because I want to talk about how shitty every single cartoon fandom is since MLP for the sake of 'protecting the kids'.

Ever since MLP, it feels like every cartoon community wants to have this VERY firm line between it's SFW communities and it's NSFW communities.

Or, more honestly, they want the NSFW community just... gone. And are complete fucking idiots for it.

As an example: I have an erotic, 18+ Lumischa story called "Stripping for Amity". The only content warning I need to give you for that though is that there's Luz nudity. No fucking, no touching, etc. like that because the nudity in it is to explore Luz's insecurities and issues with her own body. It's meant to titilate and is for the exploration of themes that I decided were weaker than if I didn't go with the nudity.

Everyone is 18+ and is even stated in the story as being such. There is no lack of consent. There are no abusive elements being condoned, etc. like that. I even keep the descriptions of Luz's body mostly tasteful and I know how to eroticize someone, I used to write erotic books after all that were well reviewed.

So what has been the backlash to it? Well, I don't know the full extent but at the time, I was a part of the Boschlow Discord to promote my stuff with Boscha in it and because of a friend. I never promoted this story there, or even alluded to it, because they had a no NSFW policy. Which is fine. They're allowed to make the space they want, just like my own Discord has a section for NSFW stuff because of my past. I obeyed the rules.

For it existing, I was banned from the server, called a pedophile and have had at least one person also be banned from that server and be labeled a pedophile for liking my works. Not even specifically that work (hilariously enough, that person is now a friend of mine and ace) but just my work in general. That is how much of a reaction this one story, for existing, got.

Now, I'm luckily a somewhat good person and just shrugged it off, just like I theoretically have with the hate review I got from LGBTQ+ members for having PoC and Sapphic representation in one of my books. I wish I was kidding. This also got me kicked from a Discord despite no one ever having spoken about issues about MY representation of these groups. White straight dudes? Sure. And yes, I am one of those. But I have always listened to my community and been told I'm fine. Minimum.

Since then, I have continued to include representation and the like and still keep my own code on what is too far. Now... What if those Discords had been right? What if I was some far right, money grubbing, pedophilic asshole? Well...

They explicitly pushed out a fan of mine, pushing them into my community where they would have been shown acceptance and kindness. They would have been treated well, much better than by the 'accepting' community and with a content creator they like. If I only then showed my private, evil intentions and beliefs... Why would they want to leave? After all, then they have NOWHERE. Not only that, but this is the only place they're allowed to like the content they want to see and are interested in.

So they let one thing slide. And then another feels like it reflects the experiences they had and so sounds right. And so it gets worse and worse. And because this side is entirely cut off from the main fandom, it becomes a louder and louder echo chamber.

This isn't sociologically. There is a direct correlation to ostracization and isolation to becoming a right wing nutjob because so long as you believe ANY of their shit, and don't push back, they're happy to have you. You don't need to be 110% in order to be accepted like with the left. They're just happy you're 20% on board because they know that if you're in their space, you'll be indoctrinated the rest of the way.

And yes, the war on porn is like this. You claim to be protecting children but most of the children who will find the porn and comprehend it will have been interested anyways. Now they can only interact with the worst elements of the fandom because you've separated and any good content creators that make NSFW works have been harassed out of the fandom. That's an overstatement obviously but I would have absolutely stopped interacting with the fandom if being called a pedophile was the first thing they did to me.

And again: That separation means that if things start going wrong in that corner... What is someone supposed to do? The fandom is so against porn that if they speak up, they have every right in the world to believe they'll be mocked, told they deserve it and kicked to the curb. This is especially true for more vulnerable groups with mental illness, isolation or nuerodivergence.

So when I refer to a fandom being a 'modern cartoon fandom', I'm talking about this. And the reason I blame MLP for it is that bronies are known for their porn almost above anything else. And no fandom wants that that has been made after MLP. And so there has been an over correction that, in my opinion, is dangerous.

Is there porn made that is bad and wrong? Yes. I believe depicting children, looking like children, and aged as children, is a bad thing. Aged up, consenting, looking like adults and perfectly happy? Why the fuck shouldn't we let that shit slide, especially since the internet exists and most kids nowadays will know about porn anyways by at most thirteen? I know I was younger when I started looking.

Ever since MLP, it feels like every cartoon community wants to have this VERY firm line between it's SFW communities and it's NSFW communities.

Or, more honestly, they want the NSFW community just... gone. And are complete fucking idiots for it.

#TOH #Rambles

0 notes

the-lone-witch-and-secret-room · 3 years

Text

On Boschlow, Skarlow and imaginary moral superiority

Alright, before anyone wants to yell at me for putting this in the ship tags, this is less an “anti ship”-post and more of an “I want to have this conversation with shippers because I think it’s important to talk about this”-post.

So, Boschlow has always been a fairly popular ship in the fandom, which doesn’t really surprise me, because the whole bully/victim dynamic is just incredibly popular, no matter which fandom you enter.

As a person that got bullied throughout the majority of my high school years, I have thoughts about this dynamic being so popular in general, but that’s not what we’re here to discuss today.

Recently, there has been an increasing number of Skarlow shippers making art and writing fics.

What makes this so different from Boschlow?

Essentially... nothing, and that’s exactly why I felt the need to make a post about this.

I’ve seen a bunch of Skarlow shippers say they do not ship Boschlow because Boscha is an awful person, putting themselves above the Boschlow shippers and making Skarlow a “superior” dynamic, based on... what, exactly?

From my perspective, there’s exactly two things Skara has on Boscha when it comes to shipping her with Willow. One being, she hasn’t thrown trash on her—which is an incredibly low bar to set.

The other thing? Skara acknowledged Willow’s Grudgby skills at the end of WILW.

And that’s a scene that gets misinterpreted a lot. See, people take Skara being nice to Willow here as a sign that she’s a way better person than Boscha, that she’s changed, and so on and so forth.

But this is untrue.

What exactly is it that changes between the beginning of WILW and the ending of the episode, between Willow and Skara specifically? It’s that Skara has seen Willow is good at Grudgby. Grudgby is something of value to Skara, thus, Willow’s skills impressing her makes Willow someone worthy of being treated well.

The ending of the Grudgby episode isn’t everyone except Boscha suddenly magically being better people. They’re all still very much bullies. They’re just now seeing Willow as someone who is better than other people because of her skills—and should therefore be treated better.

Boscha isn’t as willing to share her imaginary pedestal with Willow. But that’s the only difference. All the Grudgby girls are currently still on that pedestal. They’re just seeing Willow as someone worth sharing it with now. If they saw someone being “weak” the way they thought Willow to be previously to the match, they’d bully that person the same way they did Willow.

This isn’t any of them being better. This is all of them behaving the same way they always have. Willow is just moving up in their social hierarchy.

It shouldn’t take being good at some magical sport, or being a talented witch, or whatever the heck, to decide not to bully someone. NOBODY deserves to be bullied. Even the weakest, least sporty witch of the Boiling Isles should be treated with the same amount of respect as any of their classmates. Your value as a person shouldn’t be defined by how good you are at something. You have value no matter what you are and aren’t good at. And that’s something Skara and the others still fail to acknowledge.

Also I think it’s worth noting that even when they were treating Willow better at the end of the episode, they didn’t go out of their way to apologize for how they’d treated her before. They acknowledged her skills and don’t at all comment on how they treated her previously to the match.

If it takes some huge effort from Willow and her friends for the Grudgby girls to treat her with even an ounce of respect, that’s not character development. Character development would be them changing their general behavior. Acknowledging the way they’ve treated others was shitty, apologizing for that and actually working on being better. Is there a possibility this might happen? Sure. But you guys basically pretend WILW is their redemption arc already fully done. You’re giving Skara and the others credit for something that currently haven’t even happened.

And the option of them ditching Boscha (which also currently hasn’t happened) wouldn’t be a redemption arc either, even if it could be part of one.

Cutting toxic people out of your life can help, but Amity’s redemption arc was that, plus her explaining herself to Willow and giving Willow time, and actually acting on her word of not letting her friends pick on her again. Amity making it up to Willow wasn’t that she cut out Boscha and Skara. It was that she not only promised to be better but acted accordingly, standing at Willow’s side when she needed her.

(And Skara not constantly being a dipshit when she’s in the background is not a valid argument for why she’s a better person than Boscha. Boscha is also a harmless character when the episode isn’t focused on her, e.g. in Covention & Sense and Insensitivity. That Skara isn’t actively bullying her friends—which, uh, most people like their friends? This shouldn’t be that surprising?—is not a thing that should earn her any points in being “nicer” than Boscha.)

Do I think it might be a bit easier to get through to Skara than Boscha when it comes to letting go of current behaviors? Possibly.

From the way their characters are written and with how Boscha refuses to acknowledge Willow as equal even after the Grudgby match, it’s fairly obvious that it would need some pretty major event to get through to her. There’s an extra step here with Boscha (needing to learn to acknowledge others as having equal value to herself) that Skara doesn’t need to take.

BUT that one step in what should be a fairly long journey for either of them is far from enough to justify one ship being better than the other.

From the way I’ve seen it written (and unfortunately also experienced it in the comment section of my own fic), a bunch of skarlow shippers like to excuse Skara’s behavior by entirely pinning it on Boscha, pretending she’s actually a great person and that it’s only her friendship with Boscha that makes her toxic—and also that Boscha is the only one that should be held accountable for everyone’s behavior.

I am not exaggerating, I got a comment that essentially said “this shows wonderfully that Amelia and Skara are actually good people that unfortunately met a horrible person that had too much control over them.”

This strips Skara and Amelia of any accountability for their actions. And the idea of Boscha being an evil mastermind that forced all her friends into doing things they never wanted is... quite frankly, stupid, and also untrue. Skara actively encourages Boscha making fun of Willow at the beginning of Understanding Willow:

In the same episode it’s also stated that Amity “let her new friends bully [Willow] for years”, which definitely includes Skara and isn’t just about Boscha.

Skara looks really pleased when Boscha takes Willow’s hair clip at the beginning of WILW, just appears bored and not at all sympathetic when she throws gum at Willow, and grins gleefully when Boscha suggests using the others as target practice later in the episode:

Also, in Once Upon A Swap, Boscha’s entire squad is messing with people all over Bonesborough. Skara is throwing monster balloons at the city when Boscha isn’t even present:

Not only that, but a very large portion of the episode has Skara and the others literally ditch Boscha in favor of an even meaner person (King in Luz’s body).

King states, and I quote, “Hey, impressionable youths! Under my command, you could learn how to do some real damage.” after unleashing a monster on the city. And the entire group cheers him on and decides to follow him.

If Skara was actually so much better than Boscha, why the heck would she run after someone that is worse than her when given the opportunity?

And here comes the thing that a lot of the Skarlow shippers refuse to acknowledge because they for some reason feel the need to have moral superiority over Boschlow shippers: Skara isn’t a nice girl. Skara is a bully. And Skara should be held accountable for her actions in the same way as Boscha. Saying everything she did was just Boscha forcing her is entirely untrue to canon and just a lame excuse to make your ship look better.

Boscha and Skara have both bullied Willow for several years. If you want to ship either of them with her, even if you just want one of them to be friends with her, that needs to be acknowledged and definitely not excused. Even if you treat Skara’s bullying of Willow as something she did only due to Boscha (which, again, is canonically complete nonsense), she’s still hurt Willow to pretty much the same extent as Boscha has.

That a person isn’t as into the bullying as someone else doesn’t make it hurt any less for the victim of the bullying.

No matter if you ship Skarlow or Boschlow, commit to the reality that Skara and Boscha are both Willow’s bullies. Quit pretending Skara is so much better than Boscha, or that she isn’t responsible for her actions.

She is just as responsible for bullying Willow for years as Boscha is.

I’m so sick of hearing how Skara’s bullying is far more redeemable than Boscha’s. It’s not. Stop declaring bullying that doesn’t get physical harmless. As someone who was “only” ever verbally bullied, let me tell you that after four years of not seeing that person I’m still scarred by it. Stop getting your head so stuck in high school movies. Just because not every kind of bullying involves someone getting shoved into a locker doesn’t mean it’s not harmful.

Even worse: the take that people are shipping Skarlow “because they realized shipping Willow with Boscha is inherently toxic”. Tell me again why this “revolutionary” movement deciding that Willow deserves better then turns around and ships her with another one of her bullies?

This isn’t about treating Willow better. You’re just making Boscha seem unreasonably evil for no reason, and treating Skara as her not at all responsible victim, so you can ship Willow with her and don’t have to acknowledge that Willow is a victim of both of their bullying.

This needs to stop. Skara needs to be held just as accountable as Boscha.

If a Skarlow shipper exclusively comes from a perspective of “I think their personalities would mix better”? Sure, whatever, they may or may not, but that’s a valid opinion to have. But don’t start shipping Skarlow because you think you’re being better to Willow than the Boschlow shippers.

This whole thing isn’t a movement to get Willow a better girlfriend, lol

Both of them bullied her. Both ships are bully/victim dynamics. Skarlow does not actually have any moral superiority over Boschlow. As much as you refuse to acknowledge this, these two ships share the same basic dynamic.

Stop pretending shipping Willow with one of her bullies is leagues better than shipping her with another.

275 notes · View notes

owl-house-lover · 4 years

Text

I've wanted to talk about the relationship between Willow & Boscha for awhile now.

Long post is long (accidentally posted it too early. My bad!)

Boscha the Bully

According to the Inner Willow, Boscha (along with the other popular girls) picked on Willow for years.

We don't find out why tho.

Compared to when Amity would insult her, Willow didn't seem to have much of a reaction to Boscha's bullying.

Which could mean Willow possibly didn't see Boscha as much of a problem until Wing It Like Witches.

Boscha's bullying only got worse when Willow (unknowingly) became more popular than her.

- Note: Boscha's fully aware of how great Willow (as well as Luz & Gus) can be. She must really want Willow to not be aware of her greatest just satisfy her own ego.

How long has this been going on? On to the next part.

Are Willow's Dads aware of this?/Willow's history with Boscha

Willow's fathers love her very much & could be quite protective of her (I headcanon that they put her in the abomination track cause she got mad & hurt herself with plant magic by accident).

How do you think they'd react to their daughter coming home crying about the mean girls that hurt her? They wouldn't be happy about it.

Don't think her dads would like Boscha very much...

On the subject of them as kids, I think the nickname "Half-a-Witch" came from Boscha (noticed how no one calls her that anymore tho?).

Now we're getting into these two as people.

Willow's only getting better

At her first appearance, Willow had no confidence, but look at her now!

She's also a lot happier with her friends and is actually well liked at school (even by Boscha's friends).

She's now even aware that she's stronger and smarter than Boscha too!

She's taking a stand for herself and others in need. Which is what I really like to see & I wanna see more of it in later seasons.

Boscha could have problems of her own

It's clear to anyone that watches this show that Boscha's not a good person.

She's egotistical, sadistic, a brat to her mother, rebellious to the point it's harmful to others, & really petty for pretty much no reason.

We know she was a mean kid (thanks to Understanding Willow), but why is this?

How she thinks she's better than others & how she thinks she needs to be feared to get her way (as will as be good at sports), I think she has both a superiority and a inferiority complex.

Now to the other people in Willow's life that clearly wanna protect her from Boscha.

The Willow Protection Squad

- Amity: Willow's childhood friend who stopped being her friend to protect from her parents. Never really liked Boscha to begin with. So she has no problems standing up for Willow against her.

- Augustus (Gus): Willow's genuine friend that cares for her so much, he's willing to stand up to kids older than him to help her out (including Boscha).

- Luz: Willow's new friend that would absolutely become a human shield for her if Willow asked (which she obviously won't do of course).

Why did I bring them into this? Because all of them wouldn't hesitate to wipe the floor with Boscha, but Willow won't let that happen because...

Willow's so nice (even to Boscha)

Willow could've ended Boscha's popularity at Hexside anytime after she became more confident in herself (& her magic skills), but she didn't.

Even at the end of WilW (after Boscha ruined her whole day), Willow showed her mercy when Boscha never thought of doing the same to her.

Maybe this'll cause a change in Boscha (a "Maybe I don't have to be worse to be better..." type of deal)?

Or Boscha could double down on her awful ways & want to get revenge on Willow?

Either way, I want these two to interact more in Season 2.

And now, something I've wanted to talk about regarding these two for awhile.

Willow and Boscha from a shipping POV

The ship between Willow & Boscha is quite popular in this Fandom & I get it!

- The want for Boscha to get a Redemption Arc (she doesn't seem as bad as Belos, it may be possible?).

- The want for Willow to be a big part in said Redemption Arc (although this would be a good idea, I don't want Boscha to dump all her problems onto Willow nor do I want Boscha to be Willow's responsibility).

My favorite fanon dynamic with these two is Boscha thinking Willow would say yes to dating her (cause of her ego), only to get rejected (Willow looks so done with Boscha's BS in the fanart, it's hilarious).

- Also Willow would kindly reject Boscha (baby girl's just too nice).

- But if Boscha is too pushy, Willow will have to hurt her a little (The Willow Way is a strong way).

- Also Willow's (clearly protective) dads should be in more Boschlow fan pieces. Just shocked & angry that Boscha's at their door, demanding to speak with Willow (I don't think it'll go well for her...).

I wouldn't be surprised if these two did become a thing in canon.

In conclusion

Do I ship Boschlow? Mixed feelings about it to be honest.

Do I get why people ship it? Yeah.

Do I think Boscha's good enough for Willow? Now, of course not!

Do I think she can be? Maybe... It all depends on what the writers want (the show has great writing as it is).

Tell me what you guys think!

#The Owl House #TOH #Willow Park #Boscha #Willow x Boscha #Boschlow #Luz Noceda #Augustus Porter #Gus Porter #Mr and Mr Park #Amity Blight #Long post is REALLY long!

575 notes · View notes