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dr3amofagame · 16 days

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thinking about c!dream earlier on in the server just makes me sad man. like, c!dream has never been a perfect character. he's always been flawed, always been a bit of an asshole, always had control issues. but also he knew that. he tried to work on that. he and tommy were friends, despite being flawed people with their own issues that would bump into conflicts because of the ways that they differed. c!dream tried, god, he tried; he wasn't even on the server, when the drug van happened, and walked into a place with someone who was practically a stranger to him building a wall and calling for war and having turned half the people dream knew against him, apparently, for no reason that he could've known at the time, and he had looked straight at tommy and tubbo and asked if that was what they really wanted when wilbur told them that there was no such thing as dual citizenship. he tells tommy when he has to sell a disc for spirit's leather even though tommy had surrendered the discs to him at the end of the revolution because he knows it'll matter to him. he and tommy truce, multiple times, and c!dream gets tangled into conflicts that literally don't involve him repeatedly and gets targeted Because He's Dream repeatedly and he plays along with that trivia contest and he gives gifts to fundy and tommy after terrorizing them a little for fun and he plays along with the dreamon thing and he keeps getting pulled into fights that weren't his but tries to make them a little more fair when they get him involved. he fucks around with tommy and they have fun, they're friends, and when he and wilbur look like they're in danger dream is one of the first to find them and lend them real, practical, valuable aid. he calls himself "Big D" in that book and he tells the man that wrote him as a tyrant that he doesn't want to be a villain in the story anymore. he asks tommy if he's okay, and watches that kid's back when he walks alone and unarmed into manberg, and fights with him at the battle of the lake and all of that is thrown back in his face as being a lie. half the intial community structures that exist were built by him; the community house, the nether portal and hub, the prime path. during a time where every other piece of leverage got burned or killed (rip the casualties of the pet war), dream was kind of known for being one that could be fairly traded with, that would minimize permanent damage. the kills in the final control room were originally to strip lmanburg of their gear, which he had kept in a chest so it could be returned to them after the war.

like no c!dream isn't perfect at the beginning of the server. yes he's kind of a jerk sometimes, kind of an asshole sometimes, kind of neurotic most of the time. but god dammit like c!dream does try to mitigate the worst of his control issues, when they flare up early on; the initial disc war ends with tommy getting his discs back as well as a stack of diamonds, in exchange for a netherite chestplate. he's a flawed character and he's still someone pretty friendly on the whole to most of the server, he's also kind of just known for being a little weird. he gives gifts randomly. he fixed creeper holes, and houses, and went along with bits. like whatever im a c!drolo c!dream woobifier and i admit it lol but for as much evil as he ends up doing, pretty damn consistently early on, he's . friendly? kind? funny? helpful? their neighbor. their friend. c!dream isn't just some stranger that flew off the handle; he's someone they knew and lived with who had his actions taken in bad faith because the goddamn story said so and kept fucking trying anyway until he believed the lie too. like he was just a guy!! a guy they knew and lived with!!! like my god

#this is not coherent but #alsjdfaks;jf;j #like maybe i sound deranged when i say this but he was literally just a good dude #not a perfect person definitely an asshole sometimes and how violence and such gets redefined when you look back #makes this all a bit messier considering people kind of killed each other a lot back then bc respawns meant nothing #but. he was literally like. like he was just a normal guy who actually tried pretty damn hard to be good to the people he cared about #and SPOILER ALERT !!! HE KIND OF CARED ABT MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE SERVER AT THAT POINT

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mourninglamby · 2 months

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i would pay insane money to hear about your thoughts on ctommy girlism because it’s actually such an important part of his character analysis to me

I’ve been wanting to make a patreon for stuff like this + art I don’t wanna post, so I’ve decided to go this route with the essay I will likely end up with based on this thesis. But I’ll use this post to summarize some thoughts im VERY confident about (and could be a sneak peek into what else the paper will entail)

C!tommy is fem-coded based off of fandom interpretation and reception, textual evidence, and meta analysis (will get more into meta in the big doc).

To start, a lot of this coding has to do with how he is victimized and why, which mainly concerns him craving approval from these older men (c!wilbur, c!dream, and even c!techno,) that he views as role models. Power imbalances are something that can also affect boys, yes, but this is where the coding comes in to set them apart. PLEASE REMEMBER Coding is used to identify traits that align with minority experiences, both good and bad. That does not mean c!tommy is LITERALLY a girl. It is a tool utilized in rhetorical analysis.

In this case, the constant subjugation of c!tommy by the men he yearns to trust, and subsequent self blame and denial when they hurt him fit into an experience closely associated with misogyny, and to go even further into the meta, a misogynistic view of feminine victimhood. The way c!tommy’s trauma interrupts his psychological and emotional development is received by thousands of fans who still deny his abuse even happened as “annoying”, “mean”, and “just as bad” as his perpetrator(s). This is observed from the existence of c!dream apologists and sympathizers, and to a more complicated extent, c!wilbur apologists. But I digress.

C!tommy is coded as feminine because in the majority of media centering victims of this kind of abuse, the character is a woman, and a woman can and will always be blamed for what happened to her. In the case of DSMP, this blame comes from the man who is protected by the spoils of his privilege as an oppressor, status in his community, and the many other people (predominantly young women) he has managed to manipulate to be in opposition to his victim. Fiction affecting real life and all…. Which is why I think this evidence of coding is so important.

To add another disclaimer for the bad faith warriors, being a victim does NOT make a character femme coded, however, the way he is treated in canon and the way the fanbase reacts to how he grapples with the lasting trauma is certainly rooted in misogynistic talking points.

Looking forward to writing more ^__^ thank u for being so interested anony. I’ve welcomed some friends who I trust very much to help me write it and I’m very excited.

addendum: there is no right or wrong way to interpret ctommy or dsmp or the response to how he was depicted... i only wish to start a conversation and get my thoughts out. if u disagree that is ur prerogative and i respect it <3

#dsmp #dsmp crit #c!tommy #setting to nobody can reblog for now #because I’m sure I’ll edit it later #this is also going to be used to support my claim that dsmp is post gender

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correctdsmpquotes · 1 year

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wilbur, reading dono: hey wilbur, i just recently got into your stuff and wanna say, from what i’ve seen your relationship with tommy is really wholesome, it gives me faith in humanity in these trying times-

wilbur: it is not wholesome, i wanna punt that child into a fucking lake.

#dream smp #dsmp #mcyt #minecraft youtube #twitch #youtube #quotes #smp #tommy #tommyinnit #wilbur #wilbur soot #sleepy bois #sleepy bois inc #sbi #crime bois #crime duo

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mellorphic · 1 year

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Tommy was the heart of L’Manberg.

He lived and died for it. He loved it longer than anyone else and was loyal to it regardless of the ways it failed him. He inspired the anthem and everything L’Manberg stood for, Tommy stood for too.

Tubbo was the body of L’Manberg.

He built L’Manberg. He built Manberg. He built New L’Manberg. Everyone else could give the nation everything they had, but it wouldn’t have existed without Tubbo. Not in the way that it did.

Wilbur was the mind of L’Manberg.

Without his ideas and without his dreams, L’Manberg never would’ve existed, and it never would’ve been a synonym for freedom or joy. There never would’ve been a deceleration or a war or an election or a nation without Wilbur to think of it. And he blames himself for its downfall because of this.

Fundy was the spirit of L’Manberg.

Fundy had lived in L’Manberg through all three of its administrations. He was born there. He pulled pranks on the nations people which made it what it was. And Fundy believed in L’Manberg and it’s message until the end of schlatt’s presidency. Then he lost all trust in it.

Niki was the soul of L’Manberg.

She fed the nation. She fought for it. She understood the vision of it. She loved the people inside of it for so long. She broke when it did. Niki gave up it lost its final life. Eventually she did move on.

All of them were L’Manberg. All of them lost L’Manberg. The country died, bit by bit, every time one of them lost faith in it.

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werenotacoupleyesyouare · 4 months

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We do not talk enough about c!Niki during L'Manberg and Manberg!!! She openly defied c!Schlatt and never gave up on her nation, trying to rally the remaining citizens and keep them hopeful. She tried to get Quackity to turn on Schlatt and almost succeded, and even when she was imprisoned she stared her captors in the eyes and told them to starve. And it's not like she wasn't afraid and didn't want to run!! She and Karl built Rutabagville to live in peace away from it all and she wanted to go there so bad but she still stayed! even when she saw what was going down in Pogtopia, even when she saw the TNT Wilbur had placed underneath the podium, she stayed. We always talk about Tommy saying to not give up on people, but Niki was right beside him in the frontline!! And when everything went down, when her blind faith led her to crash and burn, she let that hurt fester into hate towards L'Manberg but mainly towards herself. She blamed herself so terribly that she isolated and starved herself for weeks. She burnt down the L'Mantree because it was the last shred of L'Manberg which survived, and she herself was L'Manberg. She says it best in her Doomsday monologue:

"L'Manberg is dead and so is Wilbur! [Laughing]. It's gone! It's gone! I am- I am gone. L'Manberg is gone…I am L'Manberg…I need to get to my bakery. I need to get to my bakery. My bakery is gone…my bakery is L'Manberg…I am L'Manberg…this is my life. The smell of bread…I need to get to my bakery."

She's the character ever c!Niki I'm so sorry you were treated like that

#c!Niki #Niki nihachu #dsmp #L'Manberg #Manberg #Pogtopia #L'Manburg #dsmp niki #/rp /dsmp #YES WE'RE STILL L'MANBURG-ING #I miss her

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munchkin1156 · 9 months

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I have fallen (but have faith, for I shall rise once more)

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Borrower Techno with rest of sbi as god's? More likely than you think :D

2.2k words for part one, definitely going to make a part two because I'm not about to LEAVE y'all on a cliffhanger like that.

(Cw: Blood, injuries, mention of death (non happens) swearing, angst, accidental fearplay and Techno passes out due to blood loss.)

Hope you enjoy my (technically) first addition to the mcyt g/t community from my user!

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Technoblade wasn’t like other borrowers.

Other borrowers didn’t have voices in their heads, who screamed at him for blood, grew emotionally attached to the most random things, or know things that helped him evade capture multiple times.

Other borrowers didn’t have memories that never existed, searing into his brain at moments when he loses themselves, of friendships with beings of power, of him being a being of power, of falling from the clouds for a crime he did not do.

When his sword is stained red from those who wronged him, then in his head it rings. When the voices, or as he called them, Chat, started chanting. It never made sense, what they chanted.

Blood for the blood god

And it scared him, not knowing what it meant. But he couldn’t dwell on it now, just like he couldn’t dwell on it yesterday. He was a borrower, and that meant he needed to borrow.

Techno stepped outside of the comfort that was the shelter that he had been using for the past week. Being a wandering borrower, he didn’t have a home, exactly. He wandered from place to place, travelling lightly and swiftly, being able to escape at a moment's notice.

He had bases in some places, so he could restock and rest for a bit, but he was exploring a new area and that came with the consequence of not knowing where safety lay, so if a bean were to see him, he might not be able to get out of there fast enough.

But it wouldn’t come to that. Techno was an amazing borrower, and his motto was literally ‘Technoblade never dies’. He started walking through the long grass, humming to himself. He wouldn’t get caught, he was certain of it.

So why did he feel so uneasy?

. . .

“Hey- Hey! Stop it!” He whispered, whipping his sword out as an act of defence. The crow squawked defiantly but didn’t stop trying to pick him up with its beak.

Techno groaned. Crows were always nice to him, and they were one of the few things that gave him those memories other than blood.

Memories of black wings surrounding him, feeling safety and warmth, and when he looked into those eyes-

Other things that did this were music, especially guitars or discs, the colour red, and that one statue. It had been in some rich fucker’s garden, and from what he had overheard the people in it were gods, whatever that was.

Their names, according to the beans he had been eavesdropping on, were Philza, Angel of Death, a golden blonde man with large black crow wings, a fatherly expression on his face as he stared at Soot, the god of music and chaos, a brunette who was laughing and ruffling the hair of Innit, god of discs and the wilderness.

And, standing a little bit away from the others, was a statue with its head gone. According to one of the beans, it was because they had been banished from the kingdom above, for a crime so terrible, and therefore been erased from history.

He also heard them say that it turned out to be an accident, that DreamXD, had framed him. But by that time it was discovered, it was too late, and he had been cast down, though it is said those three gods still search for him, in the hopes that they could bring him back.

They said his name was Blade, the god of war and blood. And that’s how he got his name.

Technoblade.

And, another funny thing is, no matter how hard he sees those gods as Philza, Soot, and Innit, like the man described, some hidden part of his mind changes that to Phil, Wilbur, and Tommy. But that was beside the point.

The point was, that no matter how nice the crows were to him, they kept trying to take him somewhere.

Usually, they’d stop if he complained or shouted, or drew his sword (never intending to kill, just to scare them off) and they’d stop. But this one was even more persistent, and Techno realised now that he’d either have to fight it (something he would like to avoid if possible, he liked crows and they sometimes brought him gifts) or run.

He chose the latter, dashing to the side the moment the crow grabbed him. It squawked in outrage and Techno realised that it couldn’t chase after him on foot, with its legs like sticks. Birds were meant to fly, not walk.

‘Looks like I win this time, eh?’

He thinks, grinning to himself. The crow that he escaped from cawed loudly, and he only had a split second to wonder what that could mean before another crow SWOOPS down out of nowhere and yoinks (he’s not even sure what that word means but it seems about right for this situation) him up in its claws.

He had jinxed it. Techno didn’t believe in superstition, but he was certain that was what had happened.

The pinkette struggled in the crow's grasp, desperate to get free before it took him to… Well, wherever it was taking him. But it was no use. He wondered why it was so determined to bring him wherever it was going. Techno supposed he’d find out, soon enough.

Eventually, after a few minutes of flying, the borrower noticed something very, very strange. The crow was taking him up. And by that, he meant really, really high up. The world below was barely visible, as they went higher and higher, through the clouds.

And once they came out of the clouds, Techno couldn’t believe his eyes.

“The kingdom above… Fucking hell it’s real…”

He muttered to himself in awe. It was made out of pristine white shining material that might’ve been made out of the clouds themselves, with magical glowing lanterns floating in the air.

Techno’s first thought was that it belonged to the ruler of this kingdom, or at least some kind of person in power, I mean it was so fine and well-kept that it had to be, right? Wrong.

On closer inspection, he realised that the people walking down below were… Normal. This was a normal town here, and these were normal civilians.

The crow flew past it though, taking Techno with it. Its wingbeats never slowed, and it showed no sign of tiredness. This was no ordinary crow, he was sure of it.

And this was no ordinary place. Chat had stopped talking altogether, and his mind felt as if it was his own, at last. It was as if someone wanted him to be peaceful, but that was silly since he was literally getting kidnapped by a bird.

What a great day Techno was having, right?

Aaaaand now the crow was flying down, towards three people that looked awfully familiar, but he just couldn’t put his finger on it and then-

Oh fuck that’s Philza, Soot and Innit. He’d recognize them anywhere, after the incident with the statue. Oh, he’s fucked. He’s going to die, oh stars he needs to get out of this mess-

‘But aren’t the gods his family?’

He brushed that thought off with a shudder. Why on earth did he keep thinking stuff like that!? It didn’t make any sense, and you better believe that he was gonna get to the bottom of this.

Not today though. He was about to get caught by some of the most powerful beings in the entire universe, and he’d actually rather not. He valued his life, after all. So he did what any self-respecting borrower would do and fucking stab the bird.

Techno hadn’t particularly wanted to stab the crow. As he might’ve mentioned before, he liked crows. There just hadn’t been another choice.

And it had worked.

The crow dropped him with a screech, alerting the three gods immediately. Their gazes fell on the bleeding crow who flew over to them with a lot of effort and landed on Philza’s outstretched arm. It healed almost instantly.

But the pinkette didn’t know any of this, because he happened to be falling when that situation had played out. And when Techno hit the ground, he felt his body scream out in pain and his head ring in agony.

The world around him felt loud and blurry. His head seemed to be sticky with what he could only assume was blood. He forced himself to stand, he needed to get out of here, needed to be safe-

Chat was back now, just as incoherent and jumbled as his thoughts, and from what he managed to make out, delusional. They kept saying something about… Dadza? Who the hell was- Oh. Wait what!?

So Chat was no help.

Techno winced. He couldn’t think, everything was just so loud and it hurt so damn much and he couldn’t understand and oh fuck did one of the Gods? beans just spot him and oh no they’re all walking towards him now.

The borrower’s eyes widen, and he couldn’t help but shrink back as the three gods towered over him, eyeing him over with such a strange expression of hope and longing that made Techno wonder if he actually was delusional.

The silence was broken when one of the gods, Innit, spoke up, voice breaking slightly and eyes glazed, as if holding back tears.

“Holy shit… Is it him? Like, really him?”

Philza responded, managing to sound calm and yet so desperate that it made Techno’s cold heart shatter, though he was not sure why.

“I don’t know Tommy (wait WHAT-), why don’t we ask him instead of talking over his head?” The angel of death suggested, and now they were all staring at him again, possibly even more intensely than before.

“So,” Philza said curiously. “Who are you, why did you stab my crow and why did it try to bring you here?”

There was no malice in his voice, it was just confusion and subtle amusement, but that just made Techno’s nerves worse. The only reason he could think of that would involve the god being amused about his half-dead state was-

Oh fuck, were they going to torture him?

“I’m Technoblade,” He said, after a few moments of hesitation. The pinkette ignored the sharp gasp of air from above, acting like he didn’t hear it, because he did not want to think of why the god might be shocked, and instead continued.

“I stabbed your crow because I was about to get seen (and look how that ended up) and I have no clue why it brought me here.” Techno knew it was not a smart idea to lie to a god, and he was anything but stupid. His injuries throbbed painfully, but the gods either didn’t notice or didn’t care.

Techno wasn’t about to guess which one…

After a very long while (in which Techno was trying his absolute hardest not to die on the spot) Soot spoke up. “So that’s a- a yes, then? It’s him?” He asked, voice cracking slightly. “Yes, Wilbur, (WHAT THE FUCK) It’s really him.”

The borrower didn’t have time to question what in the world he meant by that, because at that moment Philza reached down, and Techno realised what was about to happen a second too late.

He scrambled backwards as the hand came towards him, absolutely terrified out of his wits, but the god paid no mind to that, plucking him off the ground by his waist easily.

Techno struggled in his grasp but fell limp almost immediately. There was no way he was escaping from Philza, even though he wanted to, and besides, it just made his injuries worse. The tight grip the god had him in didn’t help either.

“What do you want from me!?”

He shouted, glaring at the gods, though it quickly fell as he remembered how easily they could crush him. Soot made a small noise (pity?) but he ignored it. “You- you really don’t remember us?” Asked Innit, with a look of despair on his face.

‘Remember you? I’ve never seen you before in my life!’

Not in this one you haven’t.

Responded one of the voices, before it faded back into the clutter of noise. “Chat?” Philza asked, and Techno almost responded with ‘Yeah, it’s making no sense…’ when he remembered that he never told them about Chat.

Something clicked behind Soot’s eyes, and he spoke up. “So you really don’t know who we are… Right?” Techno nodded. Where exactly was (Wilbur) Soot going with this? “So that means…” “Means what? I’m not about to sit around all day waiting while you give me half-formed answers,” the borrower responded, with more challenge in his tone than was wise.

It’s not like you could stop them from doing that…

Said another one of those loud voices unhelpfully. ‘Thanks a lot…’ He thought to himself irritatedly and stared at Soot expectantly, which was harder than it seemed because his eyes kept unfocusing, and the corners of his vision were blurry and stained red. ‘Blood?’

“Listen, Technoblade, I don’t know what species you think you are, but…” He hesitated again, before continuing.

“You're a god, and our brother, at that.” Soot paused, and then started saying something more. “I’m so glad we finally found you, we’ve-”

But Techno didn’t get to hear what they’d done, the blood loss had finally caught up to him, and he passed out, darkness now surrounding him as he finally drifted into a dreamless sleep.

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Aaaaaand that's it, folks! Great ending we got there, right? Hope you liked it :] Big thanks to Beckyu for helping me choose how to end it, and start next chapter.

That reminds me...

@i-am-beckyu and @brick-a-doodle-do, thank you for wanting to be tagged! If you want to be tagged, comment, ask or dm me and I'll add you! :D

Bye for now!!!

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flamedoesart · 1 year

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a ramble bc flame needs to chat for a min

i don't get it

i really don't

i already hate dream, but the fact that he had all these insanely fucking talented people on his smp (mind you, this shit doesn't happen often) and has a lightning-in-a-bottle story that spawned over the course of a pandemic and gained so much massive internet fame to a point where it leaked into the real world (remember Trump replying to Quackity? Lil Nas X going on the dsmp?)

and he just. blew it.

like it boggles my mind.

this is the same guy who swore up and down this year that things would be better, that communication would improve, that vol 2 would be a new era for the smp and we'd get constant lore.

vol 2 was meant to begin back in September. no wonder c!wilbur's finale was so rushed.

with all this shit coming out about the finale, it's becoming more and more clear that basically none of the cc's were really consulted about this finale and it appears to have just come up randomly and wasn't planned in advance.

even ignoring the Allegations, this is still such a shit thing to do to your fellow ccs. you would think given how popular the dsmp is and how much it supposedly matters to dream himself, he'd be busting his ass to make sure that every cc is heard, and that if he needed help he'd have a few co-managers to keep track of lore and everything.

BUT NOPE.

instead we got a rushed c!wilbur finale (that is pointless now bc vol 2 is still not out), a damage control, impulse-made c!tommy finale (that shitted on everything c!tommy's story meant) and a syndicate finale that was good, but it could've been Great if the amnesia plot wasn't chucked in.

part of me genuinely believes dsmp doesn't matter to dream outside of money anymore, bc that man hasn't interacted w the lore in good faith in well over a year by now. every time this year he logged on, it was to either do damage control lore, or to help snf piss off fans.

most of the issues trace back to him, bc it just seems Oh So Funny that his character was the central conflict to s4 (or rather, was supposed to be) and yet he fucked off for almost a year. not even c!tommy's plot with c!phil and c!sapnap happened bc they needed dream and woopdy-doo it didn't fucking happen.

and if even tommy couldn't reach dream, why the fuck would anyone else be able to?

what a fucking waste.

#flame talks #dsmp #negativity #critical #dream negativity #cc critical #dsmp critical

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firesnap · 6 months

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hi firesnap I see we’re doing asks if you could get a complete/finished storyline out of either rust!crimeboys, osmp!crimeboys, or the arg!crimeboys that was never real but would’ve been a banger concept if it was, which would you choose?

(You may pick another unfinished/not exactly real crimeboys rp dynamic other than the ones listed if you wish those are just the ones off the top of my head)

RUST. It's been YEARS and I would start watching that again in an INSTANT. Like, Wilbur had a full on script for that ready. He had plans. He had a varied cast of people on the server that were fun and exciting. He and Tommy were doing a full on "we are brothers from the start" thing and there was CANNIBALISM and RELIGION and SCAMS and faith in family versus faith in the unknown versus faith found in oneself stuff being laid out. There was Wilbur teaching Tommy guitar and Tommy being a source of chaos that also had moments of completely surprising Wilbur. There was a whole thing where you could tell Wilbur was going to end up falling for the very scam he was selling to other people and Tommy was going to have to drag them out of it.

There was SO much potential. Like, Wilbur becoming a false prophet who ends up thinking he might actually be a prophet? Or the cult they formed becoming too intense and not wanting to let them go? Or the cult having to go toe to toe with the cannibalism faction and that testing the group when it becomes clear that rust!Crime's priorities are that the brothers survive, together, no matter what and everyone else is secondary?

Ugh it was such a good concept. I would, again, pay Wilbur Soot to let me see his google doc. DO YOU REMEMBER HE SAID HE'D JUST DROP THAT FOR US IF WE REALLY WANTED TO READ IT and then went "wait you know, this was REALLY good so I'm going to save it in case I want to use it in something else" AND THEN NEVER DID.

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proudfreakmetarusonniku · 5 months

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do you ever think about the fact that c!tommy was deeply devoted and faithful towards his religion despite being raised by staunch anti theist iconoclast c!wilbur because i do all the time.

#gods definitely exist in the dsmp verse and c!wilbur's mum is literally one so he knows gods exist #so he’s not an atheist he just hates most of them lol #c!crimeboys #c!tommy #c!wilbur #dream smp

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relaxxattack · 2 years

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A genq, with no harm meant (we have differing opinions, that's okay) but like. Genuinely, what is the difference between a fan privately messaging drm, and Tommy "Schlatt Stan" innit messaging Schlatt at 16/17 and getting talking in the dms, ending up becoming friends. What's the difference between him doing it with Wilbur? With techno? All of them were people he looked up to, was a fan of and admired enormously, and yet they were allowed to grow a friendship. Hell, I met my best friend because I was a huge fan of hers, made her art, edits, probably would have been a stan if that had been a thing back then but we got to talking in private messages and after a while she gave me other apps to contact her on. I met my gf because she was a fan of my writing - we now live together. I genuinely don't understand how this is automatically creepy or predatory beheviour, having been on both sides of the scenario. I think the situation has a lot more nuance than just "DM's bad, no cc should DM anyone ever" and "getting a private Snapchat is creepy"

(I should say for the purposes of this I'm only taking what we know 100% to be true, which is the insta DM's which have 0 evidence of any kind of inappropriate sexual content, I'm waiting for further solid evidence to make a full judgement on the situation)

the difference is that tommy was a fan asking specifically for advice about content growth, OR to join their content. tommy was always trying to be a youtuber + bully bigger ccs into letting him into their content. tommy reached out first, and he was on BUSINESS. although of course they became friends later, the nature of his reaching out was 'professional'

this situation, on the other hand, involves a content creator having a pattern of talking to underage female fans. specifically to compliment them or their appearance, or ask to make their conversations MORE private by sharing snaps. ( <- that is the info from the dms DREAM CONFIRMED. not any others). that action is almost immediately by anyone with street smarts read as predatory.

is it possible it WASN'T? absolutely. it's fully possible that in the best case scenario all of that was in good faith. but it still LOOKS really fucking bad. and dream is not an idiot. he should have known how bad that looks, how obviously predatory it seems. in the BEST CASE SCENARIO, he's still a complete idiot who was engaging in idiotic and unprofessional behavior that looks unsafe and predatory. and then he brushed aside everyone's reasonable concerns about it. that is the BEST POSSIBLE CASE SCENARIO, and it's still pretty fucking scummy. plus with how ridiculous his response is, i'm very inclined to believe it's at least somewhat worse than the best case.

*EDIT: realizing after the fact that this looks very aggressive-- i’m not aggressive towards you, anon, your question was asked fairly politely. this situation as a whole just makes me grossed out and angry

*EDIT TWO: wilbur, after finding out tommy was a minor, became uncomfortable with the power dynamic and blocked him until a later date at which it was clear tommy was a cc too. it is REMARKABLY easy to notice when a power dynamic is a little off and form respectful distance, and ccs are absolutely capable of it.

#the situation #tw dream

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dr3amofagame · 13 days

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if i had to be accurate i think exile was not at all obsessive or systematic abuse, i genuinely think it was revenge gone wrong wait hear me out. we have proof that the whole cdream is obsessed with ctommy theory wasnt realistic or canon and if we take into account how weirdly cdream sometimes acted in exile with the whole letting tommy have fun with the trident etc we can kinda make paralels to similar stuff irl which is why i always looked at exile as revenge based bullying gone horribly wrong. like cdream really did act like a highschool bully and you know why it comes across like that? because both ctommy and cdream are hella young. a lot of people wanna make it more traumatic more abusive more horrific or gory or whatever but the simplest explanation is often the first one, it was all bullying. and i find it very very weird how people on the other side did not consider bullying bad enough for it to be taken seriously so they had to invent intestine cakes and whatever the fuck else just to consider exile "bad enough" to be taken seriously when bullying is already more than bad enough.

isolating the victim? check. aking them do something against their will? check. lying to them? check. pretending to be their friend? check. making them believe their other friends abandoned them? check check check.

also the way it was done, like really? literally the trope of no one coming to the party and victim sits alone feeling sad? what is this, a cartoon show about the power of friendship??

exile was neither "not a big deal" nor "horror movie levels of abuse" it simply was a sad arc with themes that do hit too close to home for many. the psychological ramifications that came from it? whole nother issue that needs a seperate analysis because yes, bullying victims can and do develop paranoia and some of the other stuff ctommy exhibited but not all like the whole ctommy still being scared of cdream, following him obsessively even months after it was clear cdream wanted nothing to do with him anymore, etc did throw me off because thats not really regular bullying or even abuse victim behavior??? i digress

tldr exile was bad thats a fact but it wasnt SAW movie franchise levels of bad

sorry for the rant, wanted to get my lore thoughts out

tbf exile being 2 weeks of vengeful peer abuse, also known as bullying, is straight up just canon

the "obsession" take that we specifically had issue with had a lot of issues in the way that it very deliberately rewrote c!dream's entire character to explain ALL of his actions through an obsession with c!tommy. specifically, there was a lot of malice ascribed to him LONG before exile in order to say that c!dream basically wanted to do something like exile from the very beginning to c!tommy, but wasn't able to until exile happened because c!wilbur was protecting him or some other shit. that reading relied on the worst possible faith retelling of everything c!dream has ever done + a good amount of just straight up narrative rewriting to emphasize how young and innocent and vulnerable c!tommy is and how obsessive weird creepy stalker grown ass man who wanted c!tommy to himself c!dream apparently was from day one, a take that emphasizes exile as The End Goal of months of obsession instead of being in service to some other goal as is canon. that's the obsession take that was passed around quite frequently that we specifically took a lot of issue with.

on the other hand, c!tommy being c!dream's victim because c!dream disproportionately blames him and took all sorts of shit out on him and found a degree of vindictive pleasure in hurting him is literally just. canon? that's canon.

#tw abuse #my asks !!

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bonesandthebees · 13 days

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Anyway, let’s actually talk about that trust right. There’s many reasons for Tomys to trust Wilbur. Though the big one seems to be ‘never lied about me being a possible heir’. Aka Wilbur made the right decision by telling him now and got lucky he assumed wrong when they first met. So now he’s the most trust worthy person Tomys knows since he didn’t lie to him and reveals the truth (this boy is gonna have so many trust issues).

There’s also the typical ‘younger person looks up to older person trust’. Wilbur is older. He must know more. He’s smart. Tomys will never admit it really, but he does think so and has often asked for his opinion in the past chapters (like with the princess motivations). And even though they are put in a situation where he knows that he knows more than Wilbur, he still looks to him when he doesn’t know something, like with cooking the fish. And again, Wilbur does manage to make things work. Only further securing that trust.

At the same time, we can see his lack of trust in everybody else now. Everybody he ‘knows’ to have lied to him. Puffy knows. Jack too probably. And he assumes that Tobyn figured it out himself because he’s smart but is that really true? Either way, he will be distrustful when he gets back, which can be exploited. Which is exactly what Phil wants because they end up on the right side of the distrust.

And when Tomys is freaked out after a nightmare, Wilbur is there to calm him down with his knowledge and logic. The lake won’t freeze over because it’s too soon. So Tomys can keep catching food and they’ll continue to have water. The bandits won’t come back in the snow. They are save and can continue surviving.

[“Are you lying to me? To make me feel better?”] -Tomys. See he’s not naive. Not really. He just likes seeing the best in people. But now that he knows he’s been lied to, the seeds of distrust are there. And he knows that’s something people would do. He does not want to be belittled. He wants the truth even if it’s bad. But Wilbur isn’t lying. He Tomys wants to trust him.

So the trauma bonding is going well and Wilbur has gain significant political advantages.

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-🌲

wilbur made such a good choice telling tommy that he's a potential heir. he also got a boost from telling him right after saving his life. tommy trusts wilbur a LOT now. so it'll be interesting to see how that develops when they get back. and also, like you said, if he's distrustful of the others in his 'circle' when he gets back since they didn't tell him about being a potential heir.

wilbur's quiet confidence in his knowledge also boosts tommy's faith in him a lot. wilbur remembers things. he doesn't second guess himself, he knows it's too early in the season for the water to freeze. so he says it like that and tommy knows he can believe him.

tommy isn't naive. he just wants to trust people and see the best in everyone. but he's learning how harsh this world he's been thrust into can be, so he's struggling to find his footing there. he wants to be respected and treated like an adult in the way all 13 year olds do, and wilbur gives him that respect to tell him the truth.

basically the trauma bonding is going very well

#ask #spruce anon #rose ch 8

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moondragon618 · 8 months

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Hi I wrote c!Dream POV of my favorite part of this prompt. I am Normal :)

Warnings for blood, obsessive/possessive behavior, strangulation, murder, and c!Dream being Fucked Up :)

Dream grins as he looks down at the teen lying on the ground in front of him, trembling and breathing shakily through the pain as blood flows steadily out of the wound in his stomach and stains the grass under him crimson.

Oh, it's so much fun to play with him while looking and sounding exactly like Wilbur, to watch him struggle between pure horror and instinctive trust. If you ask him, the real Wilbur doesn't know what he's missing out on.

But Dream is perfectly fine with it staying that way- nobody else should ever get to see his Tommy like this except for him. :)

"Shhh, it's okay Tommy, just focus on me, okay?" he shushes Tommy, effortlessly copying Wilbur's voice to perfection, and the way Tommy looks up at him like he caught helplessly between relief and terror is almost beautiful.

"Wil?" the teen asks shakily, pain and fear and confusion and a little bit of hopefulness in his voice all at once.

Perfect. :)

"That's right, Tommy. I'm right here," Dream says, grinning even more as Tommy visibly relaxes just a little. So much trust. So much faith.

He's almost a little jealous.

Dream observes him for another moment, before making his move- he wraps his hands around Tommy's throat, right over the light bruises from his third death that still haven't faded, taking in the shock and terror in his eyes with glee as he crushes that trust and faith with his bare hands.

"W-Wil?" Tommy whimpers, a perfect sound of fear and confusion, gasping for air and scrabbling helplessly at Dream's hands as he starts pleading for mercy. "N-nono W-Wilbur- p-please- s-stop-"

Pleading to Wilbur for mercy.

"Shhh, just relax, Tommy. It'll be over soon," Dream shushes him, not letting it get to him too much- Tommy is still technically begging him for mercy, after all.

"W-why-" the teen manages to choke out pathetically before he tightens his grip further, cutting off his air completely, and Dream grins in satisfaction at the horror in his eyes.

It'll be worth it when Tommy can only think of Wilbur with nothing but fear and hatred. :)

Dream ignores Tommy's desperate clawing at his hands even as he breaks skin and manages to draw a little blood, until his struggles begin to weaken. It's such a powerful feeling, to literally hold a life in his hands, to be able to feel it slowly slip away.

He doesn't let go until Tommy has gone completely still, and after that, he shifts comfortably back into his usual form before getting a revival book ready.

Now it's time to see how a quick death and revival will affect how Tommy remembers things :)

#aka c!Dream's jealousy toward c!Wilbur turns into him technically getting jealous of himself and that's kind of hilarious tbh lmao #my writing #shapeshifter c!dream #dream smp #dsmp #c!tommy #c!dream #c!primeboys #c!discduo #tw abuse #tw blood #tw strangulation #tw murder #tw obsessive behavior #tw possessive behavior

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