#charlie is not a bad person

[daydream-comet]

I randomly stumbled upon this while surfing through playstore and went in blindly and......so. many. emotions. ran. through. me.

I.....I love underworld office/charlie in underworld. I need a hug. Eugene needs a hug. Charlie needs a hug. Everyone needs a hug. How the fuck is this a free mobile game. Why is this game so underrated.

#underworld office #charlie in underworld #comet's rambles #comet's posts #underworld office eugene #underworld office charlie #GOD DAMN THAT WAS A RIDE #A ROLLARCOASTER RIDE #i #....i need water #also #charlie is not a bad person #no one in this game is really #except jack #fuck that guy

[damntheyare]

Oooh love your art so much. Its literally the wallpaper on my phone right now. Lol.

I was hoping maybe I could request a really cute scene of Charlie telling Alastor she's pregnant...? The idea of him being a dad is so cute, like, between her parents and grandparents... that's the safest kid in hell. Lol

none of them were ready

#Alastor “I don’t want to #I’m not ready #but it will be an interesting experiment #it’s like getting a cat #right?” Charlie is reading a book on how to raise a good person in a bad place. #charlastor #hazbin hotel

[inamindfarfaraway]

The Exorcists’ Masks of Virtue

The vast majority of Exorcists in Hazbin Hotel have a notable design element that other angels don’t: their masks are missing an eye. Specifically, the right eye.

I believe this is a reference to the Bible, Matthew 5:29. Jesus says, “If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”

He’s being hyperbolic. Mr Free Healthcare was not pro-mutilation. What he means is that you have to be willing to make sacrifices to prevent sin. The context of the eye metaphor is him condemning adultery and warning that even something as easy, casual and small as a look full of lustful intent can lead to further, worse sin if you don’t notice your sin, hold yourself accountable for it and do the work to not let it influence your decisions. This will probably be hard. It could be very, very painful. Changing your perspective can feel as horrible as plucking out your eye, so many people can’t bring themselves to do it. But although it won’t feel that way in the moment, it’s healthier for our general wellbeing in the long run to abandon traits and behaviours that damage ourselves and/or others.

(You may notice that Jesus’s teaching that you can have sinned, redeem yourself by giving up sin and thus escape damnation is the founding principle of the Hazbin Hotel. You may also notice that it contradicts everything the Exorcists believe.)

The Exorcists seem to follow this idea of painfully excising badness for the sake of the greater good devoutly to the point of placing it above teachings like ‘Thou shalt not kill’, with their job being to remove sin, in the form of sinners, to protect Heaven. Hence the missing right eyes. They’re a declaration of moral righteousness and inability to stumble.

But the truth is that the Exorcists all have their right eyes. Their flawlessness is a facade. Underneath, they are untouched, think themselves morally untouchable and, as shown by their horror and outrage when even one of them is killed, would much rather be physically untouchable too. This perfectly represents their complete unwillingness to acknowledge their own faults, let alone improve. They are never the ones who sacrifice. They force the sinners to sacrifice and don’t compensate it with any salvation. They metaphorically rip out the sinners’ eyes, but still condemn their entire bodies as inherently, permanently sinful. So they’ll just have to do another Extermination to get the other eyes! And another one to cut off their right hands! And so on until there’s nothing left.

The only exception to the rule is Vaggie, both in appearance and character. Her mask has the left eye crossed out instead. Even before her expulsion, she’s set apart to the audience as an Exorcist who has the capacity to, shall we say, see a different side of things. Her mask having its ‘sinful’ right eye reflects her understanding that the Exorcist worldview is wrong.

When she almost kills a demon child, her hateful vision clears. She discards the part of herself that’s an unquestioning, merciless agent of death, terror and grief… and as punishment for what Lute perceives as treacherous weakness, gets her eye plucked out.

Of course Lute leaves her with only the ‘sinful’ eye. It brands Vaggie forever as the inversion, a perversion, of what the Exorcists are meant to be.

You know, all this talk of eye removal in the Bible reminds of another line - ‘an eye for an eye’. Adam directly quotes it in “Hell is Forever”. He uses it to frame the Exterminations as Old Testament-style punitive justice; the sinners did harm and so they receive it. But putting aside the debate about how ethical the concept of revenge is, the entire point of taking an eye for an eye is that it’s proportional. The punishment fits the crime. If someone cuts your eye out, you shouldn’t murder their whole family in front of them and then slowly disembowel them to death. That would be the sin of wrath. You should just make them pay without excessive pain or collateral damage. This is the fairest form of revenge.

The Exorcists don’t do that! The Exterminations aren’t proportional to the wrongs of all they hurt, nor was Vaggie’s brutal punishment equivalent to her extremely mild insubordination. Lute literally takes Vaggie’s eye, and more, after Vaggie does nothing to her! That’s the opposite of the phrase! Adam and his soldiers are wrathful and cruel, deriving satisfaction from others’ suffering. But they just can’t stop going on and on about how disgustingly evil the sinners are, in total hypocrisy… despite some of the sinners being far better people than the genocidal Exorcists are… it’s like they’re obsessed with specks of dust in the sinners’ eyes when they have massive logs stuck in their own. Oh hey, that’s in the Bible too!

#both emotionally and symbolically i am rooting for vaggie or charlie to take out one of lute’s eyes #i was like ‘cool vaggie’s missing the opposite eye to her former mask!’ #and then i went back and saw that her mask was also different #and then i went down a rabbit hole of biblical mentions of bad things happening to eyes #i know god and jesus (and the holy spirit) probably won’t appear in the show #at least not in person #but i do cherish the mental image of adam and his genocidal army hanging out #when jesus christ bursts in with a whip #and gets all ‘you have made my father’s house into a den of thieves’ on them but an order of magnitude more intense #because HE SAID LOVE ONE ANOTHER #WHERE IS THE LOVE #HE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED IT #i’m not christian! i’m a hardcore atheist! #religion is just as fictious to me as egyptian mythology #however i am also autistic and have major special interests in mythology and folklore #so here i am fervently writing analysis of the sermon on the mount #hazbin hotel #hazbin vaggie #hazbin hotel vaggie #vaggie #hazbin hotel exorcists #hazbin exorcists #hazbin hotel analysis #hazbin analysis

[didthekingdieyet]

trisha paytas is pregnant again.

tampon man has nine months left

#anti monarchy #king charles iii #tampon charlie #not a countdown #just shitposting #trisha paytas #she’s a bad person #like literally #please please let this be true

[sentientsliotar]

Charlie & Lucifer

I think Lucifer sees himself in Charlie, she’s willing to challenge him despite him being the most powerful person in hell.

Our first impression of Hazbin Lucifer is the infamous phone call in the pilot.

He’s obviously against the hotel, and made Charlie insecure about herself when discouraging it.

This rift in their relationship could have started long before the hotel, Lucifer could have disapproved of her hopes for the sinners (either because he doesn’t understand it, or wants to protect her, or another reason entirely, I don’t have enough info just yet)

Which makes these scenes more interesting:

I’m not sure baby Charlie was having deep discussions with her dad about the future of the denizens of hell, but there’s obviously turmoil in the family. Just based on the glimpses we’ve gotten so far, I think Lucifer is trying but has no idea what he’s doing.

I think he’s afraid of what could happen as Charlie keeps going further down the path she’s chosen, because he walked a similar one before. We all know about Lucifer’s fall from heaven, when God (his own father) cast him down to hell. I think Lucifer’s going to help Charlie because he doesn’t want to repeat his father’s mistakes, it’s probably going to take a lot to get him to that point. Like a full revolution to make him realise he wants to support his daughter, but he’ll get there eventually.

Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are really driving home the message that communication is the most important thing in any healthy relationship- romantic, platonic, or familial.

I wonder if I’ll learn something from this…

#maybe if enough of my headcanons are confirmed- #I’m joking #I don’t care if all of this is wrong because everything I’ve seen so far looks amazing #Hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel charlie #hazbin hotel lucifer #charlie morningstar #lucifer morningstar #helluva boss #chalrie & lucifer #Hazbin hotel charlie & lucifer #I know I didn’t mention Lilith but I feel like she’s the mediator between the two #also headcanon she acts the most chill but is the last person whose bad side you want to be on #like you’d be better off annoying Lucifer #I don’t care if Lucifer is more powerful don’t mess with Lilith

[insert-funny-name-here69]

Charlie: Man, Emily is SO nice but she acts a bit weird when Vaggie is around.

Vaggie: Fuck, Emily is SO nice but she acts kinda weird when Charlie’s around.

Emily: Why are they both so fucking HOT?! Charlie is so nice and amazing and all I can think about around Vaggie are her thighs! Her big… juicy, beautiful- FUCK NOT AGAIN.

#charlie hazbin hotel #two and a half halos #charlie x vaggie x emily #Emily is down bad for thicc bitches #and loves girls with a good personality #wtf do i tag this as #humor #chaggily #god I am so starved of ✨them✨

[starwarstrashy88]

I just thought of something and so I need to get it out of my head and into words because GAHGGHG

CROSSHAIR CALLING OMEGA SQUEAKER

#yes like Charlie from all dogs go to heaven #he and Crosshair have slightly similar personalities so my brain just made the connection itself #just let me have my hcs in peace #star wars #tbb #the bad batch #tbb omega #omega #tbb crosshair #Crosshair #the bad batch crosshair #the bad batch omega

[dragon-cookies]

I'm so immensely frustrated that the turning point for Charlie forgiving Vaggie happened while Vaggie wasn't even in the room. I want to see Vaggie tell Charlie herself that she didn't want to break her heart and reveal she used to be an exterminator. I want these girls to actually act like a couple and talk things out together god

#hazbin hotel critical #i kind of already talked about this in my review of ep 7 I posted literal seconds ago #but as a sapphic Charlie and Vaggie's relationship just irks me on such a personal level #I want to give a shit about these two so badly #but they do not belong to the right person to give them the writing the deserve #it's fuckin painful to see so many people basically mourn the potential of characters they KNOW could've been amazing #but got trampled down by shitty sex jokes and bad writing #it fuckin hurts man #dc talks

[unfunnystandup]

here is my neurodivergent charlie kelly collection. the hoodie has been stained by chef boyardee ravioli and (almost) by a bottle of testosterone. i have the horse shirt but can’t find it atm and yes our cat is named charlie no i will not be taking questions xx

#something about the nd brain that sees a funny little guy and thinks #hey time to base my entire personality off of this #i’ve never been able to like anything normally #i always have to get a objectively bad tattoo in a prominent spot on my body every time i have an interest 🙄 #but no in reality he’s special 2 me and i got the tattoo the day b4 i started T #because charlie’s voice really made me realize that sometimes having a squeaky voice can be badass #charlie kelly #charlie day #iasip #it’s always sunny in philadelphia #mine #sunnyblr

[prince-liest]

oh my god…. prince……. you can’t do this to me. you’re saying next fic has vox getting fucked, focuses on vox’s transness (AH), AND ALSO HES ON THE OFF SEE SAW OF HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH VAL?????? ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL MEE?!!?!!????? I THINK I MIGHT ACTUALLY COMBUST. and bc another anon asked abt how alastor views the violence in voxval’s relationship, i have Another thought on the matter. as much as alastor looks down on vox, they can be Very similar sometimes. they are both egomaniacs and very prideful. i don’t think vox, without outside interference, would ever ADMIT that the violence he faces is 1) something he truly hates AND 2) out of his control. he can’t admit he hates it, because then why isn’t he stopping it? that would be admitting to not being powerful enough or strong enough. and hello, 50’s toxic masculinity coming through, he CANT be a victim of domestic violence. he’s a powerful, rich, and important man. it all comes down to perceived weakness. so, the solution is to pretend he’s mostly fine with it. sure, he can act disgruntled and upset in the moment, but i don’t think he’d ever let himself take it seriously. because then he has to start drawing lines in the sand, and what happens then? will val look down on him? will he lose val? yeah, he is not risking that over a problem he mostly refuses to acknowledge exists. and as you said, this is all happening in the setting of hell, where ultra violence IS the norm, and vox himself is excessively violent. it’s the most delicious 50 layer cake of fucked up-ness.

RANT ASIDE THO. i have a question. 2. do you ever plan on having vox interact with the hotel crew outside of angel? ANDDDD what would charlie’s reaction be to their friendship/situationship/ kinda love affair. i think she could add SOOOOO much hilarity and Intense Emotions to this series. not that the boys haven’t been doing their part in that so far. charlie just intensifies everything she does, god bless her. -🌓

The "getting fucked" bit and the trans conversation bit are directly related to and relevant to each other, and frankly I'm just very happy to be out here writing the specific flavors of deeply queer shenanigans that I'm writing, and to have people actively enjoy that. It genuinely means a lot to me that I've strayed so goddamn far out of the bounds of good old top/bottom yaoi archetypes that introduced me to fandom and yet have a wildly enthusiastic audience nonetheless. So, that was my long way of saying that you bring me a lot of fucking joy, anon, hahaha.

As for everything you're saying about Vox, power, and masculinity: YOU! points dramatically at you YOU GET IT! YOU GET IT!!!!!! Everyone just read this, this is it, this is the thing. I have no notes to add. There is a reason that the main point he raises the moment he actually says something vulnerable about it (before he immediately cuts himself off) is a complaint that he's an overlord, so why—?

And with regards to your questions: I'm not gonna lie, my actual planning for 666 is usually, like, extremely by the seat of my pants. I plan nothing except, "Oh, shit, had an idea for the next one. Lesgoooo—" and that's been the case for literally every single installment. It's all just been evolving naturally and building on top of itself. So! I can't say that I plan to have Vox interact with the hotel crew or Charlie, but I also will never say that I'm actively opposed to it.

That said, I do think a lot of this fic is kinda structured around hitting specific topics that come up in intimate settings between Vox and Alastor specifically, with occasional tag-ins from Angel Dust, so I don't really know if there's anything in particular I'd like to write that I think would work better in this series if more characters got involved. But, hey! Never say never!

#ask #personal #half moon anon #long post #hazbin hotel #radiostatic #666 live on air #I do agree with you I adore Charlie and in particular I adore her weird relationship with Alastor #actually before I decided to not make this COMPLETELY unhealthy I had a very very different idea for how to write the rut fic #involving basically Alastor getting pressured and also compulsory allonormativity-ing himself into having sex with Vox #and THAT outline DID involve abso-fucking-lutely everybody sticking their noses into the situation in deep deep alarm #Charlie Angel Husk and even fucking Lucifer showed up #but uh that was also the version of this series that ended with the radiostatic relationship pretty well nuked so #ended up NOT writing the “bad end” edition LOL #maybe one day I'll write it as an AU or something when I feel like upsetting absolutely everyone including myself #my writing #nsft

[katels]

i've had this animation wip in the works for a while now. el and her dream/nightmare sequences lmao

#i wanna get it done so bad already but im not a smart person and chose to put a lot of tedious stuff in it ahahaahaha #its okay. grows character😤😤🫡 #eriunleashed #ocs #el #kat #charlie

[zeb-z]

The knife being given to Ron for him to use in the kitchen instead of being used against him as intended was so good. It was Cellbit’s knife before it was Bad’s, his sort of reassurance and comfort during triggering or stressful moments, as well as a reminder of what he wants to avoid reverting back to. A knife that gave him options.

The way that knife symbolized extremes and bloody decisions, given to Bad to carry out the actions Cellbit suspected of him, that of which Cellbit would not do but would look the other way of, knowing well what sorts of violence Bad can commit.

Bad never uses it. As much as everyone expects him to, he instead gives it to Ron for its intended purpose. Just like instead of having killed him, or as heavily implied, eating him, he had taken Ron somewhere safe.

Idk something about how characters come back from extremes, and the other islanders help in this. Baghera helping Bad settle on helping Ron escape. Cellbit’s family helping to keep him choosing the better options, striving for something level headed and rational, at the very least. Something about how people can do terrible things, but then they can do better and work to correct for what they’ve done, how forgiveness isn’t impossible and reformation is in reach.

Something about Cell’s knife, clean and newly sharpened, stored in a drawer in Ron’s kitchen, now used for gentle things.

#smth about taking poor bloody decisions and turning them into something that is good. kidnapping ron and turning it to helping him escape #and figure out a life away from the Feds. taking this knife with a long history and using it for its intended purpose - kitchen work #though I know it’s not the same knife it’s symbolically the same knife yknow yknow #idk man the way this happens when people understand bad and why he’s doing what he’s doing #even Cellbit with his own understanding and helping bad even with those bloody intentions and purposeful looking away. it was support #support that bads been lacking. and like no it’s not good but like at least bad has had something that’s not just accusations and such #like. it’s tricky. bad has been very much in the wrong. but like with Charlie when he went crazy with grief he came back with help #bad has hardly been the worst person morally on the server so far #but idk. smth about realizing you’re in the wrong and righting it. how the islanders keep eachother up like this #mcyt #qsmp #q!bbh #bbh #q!cellbit #cellbit #z speaks

[vroomian]

Hazbin hotel Yrz would probably get so offended by hells chaos that he’d just— take over in self defense??

(or take over a chunk of hell as his own personal sprawling library complex and everyone but his employees stays out on pain of death perhaps???

turns it into a shelter on extermination days perhaps?? angels stay out of that area if they know what’s good for them lol)

#Yrz is not a good person obviously he goes to hell lol #vrrm vrrm #Bad idea tag #Lucifer’s super hot and competent Secratary??? #give Charlie a cool step dad?? #I just think putting Lucifer through a gay crisis would be funny okay #Bfiasc aus

[bisexualmultifandommess]

Love the idea of Mac and Charlie being really young and meeting each other and taking one good look at each other and both deciding “I’m going to keep him”

#mac saw this crazy little kid that likes to bite people and thought “mine now ❤️” #them being each others protectors growing up and not even realising it #charlie being a safe person mac could go to when his home life got bad #and mac being a safe person charlie could go to when he was dealing with jack #and I bet neither of them asked any questions or did anything big #they were just there when they were needed #it’s always sunny in philadelphia #it’s always sunny #iasip #charlie kelly #mac mcdonald #charmac #charlie x mac #mac x charlie

[hugh-lauries-bald-spot]

charlie kelly COULD do better than the gang im in pain

#HE JUST NEEDS SOME HELP #HE IS A GOOD HEARTED PERSON WITH BAD PEOPLEEEE HE CAN IMPROVE #iasip #charlie kelly

[connectionterminated13]

Charlie spending hours Looking through her dad's Science fiction pulp novels.. Then forcing Michael to come out and reenact them with her.

Henry liked to help with this building car board sets with them And playing any extra characters

#michael afton #charlie emily #henry emily #fnaf head cannons #fnaf #Virgin Henry being a bad dad #Chad Henry being a good person and sort of good dad who had all the good parts of him beaten out by a horrible person and life