#christian supersessionism

[thejewitches]

Let’s build strong interfaith solidarity by refraining from appropriating Jewish rituals.

Here are a few more ‘arguments’ that we didn’t include, but feel we should head off… “But Judaism is the root of Christianity”. We are a living, breathing people and our traditions have continued to live and thrive despite Christian oppression. These traditions came after Jesus and are not for the taking. “But Jesus was the Passover Lamb!” That’s a Christian tradition and has nothing to do with us. There are many beautiful Christian traditions. Go celebrate them. Enjoy them. No need to take ours.

Make sure to share and if you see someone having a Christian seder, educate them!

#jewish #jewitches #judaism #jumblr #jewitch #Passover #Christian #Christianity #passover seder #pesach #antisemitism #supersession #christian supersessionism #evangelical #seder

[hindahoney]

Let's talk about appropriation of Judaism, and hijacking Jewish history

"According to Halacha, Jews who abandon their Jewishness by choice become 'meshumadim' (An example being messianic "jews" of Jewish ancestry). Though Jewish by lineage, they cannot claim any privilege pertaining to Jewish status. To make it simple: if we don't claim you, you don't get to claim us."

Credit: insta user @rootsmetals

#jumblr #judaism #jewish #frumblr #antisemitism #jewish history #judaica #jewblr #jewish tag #jewish appropriation #messianic jews #christian supersessionism #bhi #christian replacement theology #mormon

[gay-jewish-bucky]

ughhhhh i've started getting those messie ads targeted at jews again 🙄🙄🙄

(got this + a pre-roll ad for it on the same video)

#personcole #antisemitism #christian supersessionism #jumblr #jewish #judaism #anti messianic

[fromchaostocosmos]

I don't know how to word or express my feeling and thoughts fully, but none the less I'm going to try and get them out.

I want to have some discussion or like acknowledgment in regards to things like Supernatural and Good Omens and similar works about how they reinforce Christian Supersessionism, theft of Jewish cultural practices and just theft of Judaism in general, the continued use of mistranslations, christian antisemitism, more along this line.

Yes I do know that Neil Gaiman is Jewish, but that really doesn't change anything.

This is not me trying to say you can't enjoy these things this me saying that there is broader context to which they exist in and I think there needs to be a conversation about it.

I want for non-Jews to understand the context these things are existing in and what harm it can be reinforcing that they might not be aware of.

Good Omens is right now tumbr's it thing so it is really hard to avoid it and when ever I see stuff for it, to be honest I feel a type of emotional pain I suppose is the best way I can describe it.

[Judaism is an ethno-religion and closed culture that is over 4,000 years old and dates to early bronze age, it is not 'just a religion' for anyone who is going to try and pull that card.]

#good omens #supernatural #christian supersessionism #jumblr

[cemitadepollo]

Hey there Jumblr. I wanted to ask y'all what do you think about christians claiming malachim as their thing. I've seen a lot of cultural christians speaking about "biblically accurate angels" and I don't quite know how to feel about that sometimes.

I am asking you from heart because I don't know if it's just me who feels kind of weird everytime I hear them. Do you think it is appropriative?

#jumblr #judaism #christian supersessionism #cultural christianity

[eli-kittim]

Israelology Versus Replacement Theology: Is the Bible about Israel or Jesus❓

Eli Kittim

If Jesus is the Messianic fulfillment of the Hebrew Bible, then the Old Testament is essentially Christocentric (not Jewishcentric) and the New Testament is not talking about two peoples (the Jews & the church) but rather one: the elect (cf. Eph. 2:19-20), which is to say that the overarching theme of the Old Testament is not about a race but about a person: the Messiah!

If in fact there are 2 peoples with 2 different sets of standards (law & grace) by which they’re saved, then that would invalidate Christ’s atonement, as would the rebuilding of the third Jewish temple, which would necessitate the reinstituting of animal sacrifices. However, the Bible is not about ethnicity, racism, or nationalism. In Romans 2:28-29 (NASB), Paul redefines what the term Jew means in scripture:

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly,

nor is circumcision that which is outward in

the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one

inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart.

In the Bible, there are not two people of God, but only one: those who are in Christ. At the end of the age, Christ will separate “the sheep from the goats” (Mt. 25.32). In other words, there are only two categories: you are either in Christ or out of Christ! The Bible is Christocentric. It is not ethnocentric. It’s not about a race.

Instead of admitting that they view the Bible as being about their race and not about Christ, the Hebrew Roots Movement dresses it up euphemistically as though the controversy was about the Jews versus the church. But that’s a misnomer. The real controversy is this: they don’t believe that the Bible is about Christ. But they hide that from you! Messianic Jews are often far more Judaic than they let on.

Read the letter to the Hebrews, chapter 9. It’s all about how Christ is greater than the temple sacrifices or the Law of Moses. This is a New Covenant. So why are the Jews holding on to the old one? Hebrews 8:13 declares:

When He [God] said, ‘A new covenant,’ He

has made the first obsolete.

Both Galatians and Romans are authentic Pauline letters. In those letters, Paul says categorically & unequivocally that we are saved by Grace, not by the Law. Paul says in Galatians 2:16:

a person is not justified by works

of the Law but through faith in Christ.

In Galatians 2:21, Paul says:

if righteousness comes through the Law, then

Christ died needlessly.

In Galatians 3:11, Paul repeats the justification of faith teaching:

that no one is justified by the Law before

God is evident; for, ‘the righteous one will

live by faith.’

It’s also found in many other places, including Romans 3:20:

by the works of the Law none of mankind

will be justified in His sight.

It doesn’t get any clearer than that. We are not to observe the law. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. According to Acts 4:12:

there is salvation in no one else [except

Jesus Christ]; for there is no other name

under heaven that has been given among

mankind by which we must be saved.

Yahweh is never once mentioned in the New Testament. Moreover, Galatians 3:7 says that we are the sons of Abraham by faith (not by race):

recognize that it is those who are of faith

who are sons of Abraham.

Ephesians 2:12-13 says that through “the blood of Christ” the elect are now part of God’s family. There’s only one plan, one family, one salvation, and one Lord, not 2 different salvation plans, or 2 peoples. It’s not that we have replaced Israel but that we have been brought into one family through Jesus’ atonement (the new covenant) which was prophesied in Jeremiah 31.31.

Incidentally, the history of replacement theology doesn’t go back to the dispensationalism of the 1800s, but rather to the early church. In Jer. 3:8, God gave Israel an official certificate of divorce. In Mt. 21:43, Jesus promised that the kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation. Justin Martyr (100-165 AD) concurred that God’s covenant with Israel was annulled and that the Jews had been replaced by the Gentiles. Origen’s (185-253 AD) view was along the same lines. Irenaeus (ca. 130-202 AD) also proclaimed that God disinherited the Jews from his grace. Tertullian (ca. 155-220 AD) also held that the Jews had been rejected by God. Similarly, Eusebius (ca. 265-339 AD) held that the promises of Scripture were given to the Gentiles because only the Church was the “true Israel.” So, this view didn’t start in the 19th century. It was there from the beginning.

The covenant of the seed (in Genesis 12) is a reference to Christ (see Gal. 3:16). Notice that Abraham is the “father of many nations” (Gen. 17:5), not just one. So the covenant with Abraham and his descendants (Gen. 17:8) is with multiple nations, not just one! And all these are part of the covenant through Abraham’s seed, who is Christ! That’s why Isaiah 61:9 explicitly refers to God’s posterity as the people of the Gentiles:

their offspring will be known among the

nations [Gentiles], And their descendants in

the midst of the peoples. All who see them

will recognize them because they are the

offspring whom the Lord has blessed.

“It is not the children of the flesh … but the children of the promise [who] are regarded as descendants [of Israel]” (Rom 9:6-8). Here’s further proof that the language which was once used for Israel is now used to address the church (cf. Gal. 6:16). In contradistinction to those who don’t believe in Christ, 1 Peter 2:9 is addressing the church who does believe in Christ, saying:

But you are a chosen people, a royal

priesthood, a holy nation, a people for

God’s own possession.

In Colossians 1:26, “the mystery which had been hidden from the past ages and generations, but now has been revealed to His saints” is that the Gentiles are co-inheritors with Israel (cf. Gal 3:28). Ephesians 3:6 says:

This mystery is that through the gospel the

Gentiles are heirs together with Israel,

members together of one body, and sharers

together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

The real controversy about replacement theology is this: is the Bible about Judaism or Jesus? Jews argue that the Bible is not about Christ. Their Dual-covenant theology holds that the Old Covenant remains valid for Jews whereas the New Covenant is only applicable to gentiles.

Bottom line, the Bible is not about a nation or a race. It’s about a person: the God-incarnate Messiah. Those who believe in Christ think that the Bible is about Christ. Those who don’t really believe in Christ think that the Bible is about the nation of Israel. It’s that simple.

What is the argument about? It’s really about whether we pledge allegiance to Moses or to Jesus.

Has Christ been divided?

(1 Corinthians 1:13).

#christian supersessionism #Bible #new covenant #Moses #theology #OldCovenant #Torah #ReplacementTheology #judaism #FulfillmentTheology #covenant theology #dispensationalism #EliKittim #HebrewRootsMovement #mosaic law #the little book of revelation #ΕλιΚιτίμ #Israelology #hebrew bible #new testament #jesus christ #ΤοΜικροΒιβλιοΤηςΑποκαλυψης #old testament #AtonementTheology #twocovenanttheology #messiah #JewsforJesus #church fathers #Dualcovenant #ApostolicFathers

[onetwistedmiracle]

As the Americans here already know...

You are not "being oppressed" when the law permits actions which your religion does not. In the USA, as in most nations on earth, religions do not have the power to legislate. Only to convince.

#christian nationalism #fascism #white supremacy #christian supersessionism #sorry to say we are living in interesting times

[katabay]

have u played pentiment? Also, that little tag on ur ex voto comic abt blocking supersessionists rly does mean a lot, thank u <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

I have! I haven't finished it yet, but I'm obsessed with Guy. I need to unpeel him like an orange

also no problem! it's literally the bare minimum for doing christian centric artwork, especially since I've previously done biblical illustrations but with a deliberate focus on the jewish narrative over christian interpretation in an attempt to chase the historical method.

usually I just block people and move on, but for comics like ex voto, which is heavily christian, I thought I'd ready a spray bottle in case anyone was thinking about acting up in the tags because I'd like for ex voto to be something fun from a spectacle point of view even if you aren't christian, but that can't happen if the supersessionism crowd feels too comfy because of the time period it takes place in

#i also singled out tradcaths because they're so annoying about this like oh my god fuck off #most of my friends growing up were jewish or muslim or non western christian so. #it would be a supremely dick move on my part if i was okay with having supersessionism hang around #when i get to the crusades i'll probably have to ready the spray bottle again because boy howdy is that a subject #that attracts some of the worst people you've ever had to deal with #ask tag

[blessedarethebinarybreakers]

As someone who is sympathetic to affirming theology, though still not entirely sure what to believe, and is also a fan of a lot of New Perspective and Paul Within Judaism (Mark D. Nanos for example) stuff and R. Kendall Soulen -- do you know of any Side A/pro-LGBT arguments that do not fall into supersessionism or which argue for it in a non-supersessionist way? I've looked but I've not really been able to find a lot. And it's something which worries me because a lot of the arguments seem to rest on an implicitly supersessionist framing.

Not sure if this makes sense -- thanks in advance for your reply! Have a wonderful day.

Hey there, thanks for the question! Facing and uprooting supersessionism and other forms of antisemitism within Christianity is a huge passion of mine. You might find some stuff related to your search in my #supersessionism tag or my #antisemitism tag.

(For anyone who's reading this and isn't sure what supersessionism is, in a nutshell it's the idea that Christianity supersedes Judaism, that Christ rendered Judaism obsolete, etc.; see my tag linked above for more. 

Take the common rebuttal to homophobic Christians who quote Leviticus’ & Deuteronomy’s “a man shall not lie with a man,” etc.: “Yeah well, Leviticus also tells us not to eat shrimp, and a bunch of other nonsense!” That response, which requires mockery of the Torah that is still so vital to Jewish faith today, is antisemitic — as a Jewish person explains here.)

And ugh, it aggravates me to no end when Christians who think ourselves "progressive" and all that commit the same antisemitic bs that much of the Christian Church has committed for millennia now. We need to face our failings, and make things right. 

Any argument that relies on antisemitism in order to uplift LGBTQA+ persons doesn't actually uplift us at all — it just makes us complicit. Thankfully, it is possible to affirm LGBTQA+ folk without throwing Jewish folks under the bus! 

There is good news to be found in scripture for us! — real good news, news that not only tolerates but celebrates diversity of all sorts, including both diversity of gender & sexuality and diversity of faith.

The God of the oppressed, who responded to the cries of Hagar in the wilderness, of Joseph in prison, of the enslaved Hebrews in Egypt, of the exiles in Babylon, and on and on, is the same God who responds to the cries of oppressed persons today, including Jewish persons experiencing antisemitism and LGBTQA+ persons experiencing queerphobia. Any news that seems to be “good” for one oppressed group only by being bad news for another oppressed group, pits God’s own beloved against one another — and that’s not good news at all.

To me, finding the good news that lifts all oppressed persons up is both harder and easier than rebuttals like “well Leviticus is just ridiculous.” It’s complicated by the need for at least a little critical thinking and understanding of cultural context around the Bible — compared to the ease of throwing the whole “Old Testament” out as, well, “old outdated nonsense” like some arguments do, actually exploring the texts that comprise the Bible takes way longer.

But at the same time, the good news that uplifts all of us is in some ways not so hard to find — it’s the whole Bible’s very foundation, the overarching theme that breathes through scripture and gives it life. For every verse a person can pick out to support their hate, there are hundreds of other commanding love of stranger, delight in diversity, the upturning of the status quo. 

For some examples of this good news that’s focused on the LGBTQA+ community and not (I hope) supersessionist, you might wander through my #affirmation tag.

...

This is getting ramble-y lol — time to actually share some LGBTQA+ affirming Christian resources that either lack or explicitly combat supersessionism:

Now, I haven't read every single article over at the Queer Grace Encyclopedia, but the ones I have read seemed fine in this regard, while being a good site to begin with for brief "Affirmation 101" type articles — like this one, which makes the point I made a moment ago about needing to approach the Bible with cultural context in mind.

I also like to think that the two pages of my timeline of gender diversity that deal with scripture avoid supersessionism while exploring God’s good news for trans folk. If you do spot anything icky, I welcome correction.

Another great place to go is the Bible Bash podcast! Each episode explores a biblical passage through a queer lens. One of the co-hosts, Liam Hooper, is himself Jewish. (I will say that eeeevery now and then, I feel like one of the Christian co-hosts or guests will start moving towards what could quickly become supersessionism, but Liam always guides them back.)

Next, check out my post featuring affirming Christian books. I haven't read each of the books listed there in full, but to the best of my knowledge, none of them rely on supersessionist beliefs to make their points. The ones I can vouch for most confidently are:

OtherWise Christian by Chris Paige (this one explicitly confronts & uproots possible antisemitic readings! Chris is awesome; they’re a co-founder of Transfaith Online)

Queerfully & Wonderfully Made

Trans-forming Proclamation

Finally, if you like following people on social media to learn, some Twitter recs: 

Lura Groen is one Christian whom I frequently see calling out antisemitism & supersessionism within progressive Christian spaces.

Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg also often tweets out educational information of this kind.

Same with Rabbi Ruti Regan.

#okay i ran out of steam at the end there so. the end! #supersessionism #issues in christianity #resources #long post

[dougielombax]

Oh for fuck’s sake!

Fucking BULLSHIT!

Due to recent events in the Middle East YouTube has decided to start recommending me videos from Christian fundamentalist lunatics speaking about how these events were predicted in biblical prophecies and that the end times are apparently upon us.

I’m sure they must be thrilled! For once. (It’s not the apocalypse!)

I feel SICK just thinking about it!

Innocent people are being killed and you’re shrieking and roaring about the rapture and the promise of salvation!

Fucking BULLSHIT!

End it!

I feel SICK!

Fucking spiritual narcissism!

Be RID of it!

#dougie rambles #personal stuff #vent post #religion #christianity #fucking hell #fundies #bullshit #political crap #sort of #israel #palestine #Supersessionism #rubbish #hogwash

[thejewitches]

The Green family are notoriously against every one of our values and they put their money where their mouth is. CUFI is not the only massive corporation that is funding Christian zionism in the USA. Corporations like Hobby Lobby, which have philanthropic arms and are subsequently funding the ‘charities’ of those who reap the profits of the corporations are extremely present in our landscape.

For those of you who follow our Threads, you’ve already seen today’s discussion…But for many of you, this is brand new.

Have questions? Ask away. Make sure to watch our other videos or read the blog! We’ve linked it in our link tree for easy reading!

#jewish #judaism #jumblr #christian supersessionism #Christian Zionism #Zionism #evangelical

[gay-jewish-bucky]

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#jumblr #jewish #judaism #christian supersessionism

[fromchaostocosmos]

Good Omens is a fantastic book, a great book, a well written clever book. It is a book that is fun and funny. It plays with tropes and inverts them and your expectations.

It is also a book I can't read.

Once I could and did. I read it and re-read. I loved it and it was on my bookshelf.

Now it sits in the bottom of box and I can't think of that without feeling anxious, angry, infuriated, upset, heartbroken, and despondent.

You see Good Omens is a well written clever book and it is the epitome of Christian Supersessionism.

It is painful to see your culture, your religion, your names, your stories taken and twisted and warped into thing that was once familiar to you, but is now some horrific monstrosity.

A stranger calling themselves by the name of those you love and trying to wear their face like a mask. You know that is not your loved ones, you know that is a stranger, a liar.

I am still here, we are still here. By what right do you have to take our things and say you can replace us.

We are not replaceable. What is ours is not for you to take. We are a not a corpse you can loot. Our everything is not something you get to have because you want it. You do not get to change it, warp it, mangle it till it no longer sounds or looks like what it is meant be. Until the lessons and messages are turned to poison.

That is what Christianity has done and still does. Good Omens is a part of the legacy whether or not they like.

#good omens #christian antisemitism #christian supersessionism

[thebookoffrank]

Every day I wake up angry that I have to talk about the holy trinity again. not that i don't like to talk about the holy trinity. but why is all of the theology I'm taught so profoundly Christian? how can you, as an institution, claim religious diversity within your faculty when the said diversity only comes in the form of 'supersessionism bad respect Jew'. give me Joy Ladin. give me Géza Vermes. even Paul the Apostle will do. i am so tired of hearing about Anselm of Canterbury and Gregory of Nyssa for the 30th time in a row. I am so tired of going through the same exact lecture plan for the 12th week. why am I only learning about the Christian imagination of angels in teaspoons. ffs.

you told me the Shema Yisrael has some profound Christian ecclesiastic significance and didn't even explain its original purpose. how can i take you seriously?

why is your course named 'introducing theology' as if it comprehends all theology? why not call it 'introducing CHRISTIAN theology'. sometimes being misleading can do harm. particularly when half of your talking points, are, in fact, not even Christian.

#rant #how can you claim religious diversity when you're a one trick pony #your one trick is a dead christian #he's been dead for centuries #the world of religious thought is not confined to the new testament #dark academia #religious academia #theology #theological student #religious dark academia #academia core #supersessionism #why is your 'religious' curriculum synonymous to 'christian' curriculum #academia is exclusionary #theology student

[slyandthefamilybook]

Christian supersessionism is one of the most insidious and insipid methods of Christian supremacy and also the one I personally find most annoying. hearing people say "The Old Testament" or "The Bible" and talking about how "we can't know what this passage means because it was translated". I saw someone the other day call Avraham Avinu a "Christian figure" and I just about lost my damn mind

#atlas entry #judaism #jumblr #someone on that “biblically accurate angels” post was like “I'm not Christian but...” and I'm like GOOD THESE ANGELS AREN'T CHRISTIAN EITHE

[spacelazarwolf]

actually i’m not done rambling about this.

EDIT: IF YOU TRY TO BRING UP ZIONISM OR HARASS JEWS IN THE NOTES YOU’RE GETTING BLOCKED.

people have been harassing jews out of liberal, leftist, and queer spaces for decades, blaming us for what’s going on in israel/palestine, falling for christian supersessionism and labeling us as antiquated, mocking our laws and culture, telling us we can’t possibly be progressive if we’re religious and that we’re not actually jewish if we’re not religious, refusing to acknowledge the unique discrimination and oppression we face all over the world, including the united states. i have dozens of stories about how horrible leftists in particular have treated me as a jew. so to see people flouncing around on social media saying “just convert to judaism and then you can get abortions!!!!!!” is not only mindnumbingly stupid but a slap in the fucking face. y’all have never shown up for jews. i have been consistently and deeply let down by non jewish leftists, specifically white non jewish leftists, to the point where i really only feel comfortable interacting with other left leaning jews or in spaces that are at least partially under the jurisdiction of jewish voices.

the fucking audacity y’all have after the barrage of harassment jews received all over the internet and in real life - primarily from white leftists and liberals - after what happened in gaza in 2021, straight up invoking dual loyalty, blood libel, and every other fucking antisemitic trope in the book to the point where i and other jews had to stop wearing things that made us identifiable as jewish in public, for you to now turn around and use us as a tool in your plan to liberate yourselves that won’t even fucking work because this country doesn’t recognize freedom of religion for anyone but conservative christians, that is just fucking laughable. 

#jewish #jumblr #goyim shut up challenge