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bebx · 2 years

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people who said Mobius was “abusive” towards Loki are always the same people who said Frigga was also abusive towards him. they really be throwing the word around without knowing its meaning, I fear. imagine calling the two people who’ve been kind and supportive toward Loki “abusive” because they could be a little bit mean to Loki (but with a genuine intention to help him become a better person) when Loki actually did something wrong. just say you hate them because they don’t blindly worship Loki like you do in a weird, obsessive way and go.

but in case (some minority) people still wanna talk shit about Mobius instead of seeing that mustached man as anything other than a ray of sunshine that he is, I wrote about why he was never abusive towards Loki, here.

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magiclovingdragon · 3 years

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Mobius returning to the TVA after being pruned like

https://twitter.com/nifflerdaemon/status/1440046250322063361?s=21

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bebx · 2 years

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I laugh every time some Loki stans say Loki’s relationship with Mobius is toxic because Mobius “abuses” him like “yesss let’s throw that word around without knowing what it means🤩”

“But there’s a power imbalance there, because Loki’s a prisoner” — there is no longer power imbalance the moment Mobius turns against the TVA for Loki in season 1 episode 4. Tom Hiddleston’s own word, both Loki and Mobius are equal now.

“But Mobius works for the TVA. So he’s a terrible person” — he turns against them the moment he learns the truth about them. Not to mention the fact Mobius didn’t choose to work for the TVA. He was literally kidnapped and brainwashed. So Mobius is a victim of the TVA just like Loki.

“But he’s mean to Loki” — considering all the crimes Loki committed, being a little mean to him is justified. And yes, I know Loki was brainwashed by Thanos in Avengers 1, but he was still a jerk in Thor 1 and after all he’s still a jerk in general. So if Mobius is “so mean and abusive” then Loki is a thousand times worse, and I’m saying this as someone who’s been a fan of Loki for years.

“But Mobius puts Loki in that time loop where he’s repeatedly kicked by Sif” — again, deserved. Loki did betray Mobius so obviously there has to be a consequence, especially when you think about the fact Mobius is responsible for Loki at that time. Mobius was only doing his job, what he was brainwashed to do. Loki could’ve put Mobius’s life in danger by going rogue and leaving Mobius with the TVA. Though I believe that’s not Loki’s intention, there still has to be a consequence. But the thing is, the consequence could and should have been worse. Mobius could choose any moment from Loki’s life, when Thanos was torturing him, or any of the traumatic memories Loki has. Instead he made sure Loki was home and safe. Getting kicked by his friend is nothing like getting tortured by Thanos, and Mobius could’ve chosen the time Loki was being tortured by Thanos. If I were Mobius, I sure would do so much worse than sending him to Sif, after that shit Loki pulled.

“But Mobius lies to Loki!!!” — he did his job, what he was brainwashed and programmed to do. But okay let’s talk about lies, Loki, the literal God of Lies, has never lied or manipulated anybody for his own adventure. So how dare Mobius lie to him for something Mobius thought was right, when Loki was, at that time, a criminal who was known for lying and being manipulative.

“But Mobius never apologized for the mean things he said to Loki” — he didn’t have to, but he did. “You could be whoever, whatever you wanna be, even someone good. I mean just in case anyone ever told you different.” And Loki smiled. That, in my humble opinion, is a thousand times better than ‘I’m sorry’

Mobius is the only person in the Loki series who genuinely loves and cares for Loki. But if you, for whatever reason, still want to call him “toxic and abusive” please at least hold the same energy for Loki, because if Mobius is “toxic and abusive”, that means Loki is a cold blooded monster and a murderer with no heart.

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bebx · 2 years

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It’s always the same 3 (three) people I see who hate on Mobius and won’t stop barking about how he’s “SuCh a ViLlAiN!!!! STop TrEATinG HiM LikE A HeRO oR i WiLl CRY !!!!!!” Like??? lmao just because he doesn’t outright worship Loki like how you demand him to? Wow. Does the fact he’s one of the very few people in Loki’s life who genuinely love and care for Loki break your reality that badly?

Mobius is a fan favorite and thousands of us love him and see him as a sweetheart and a comfort character. Your keeping posting paragraphs about how much you dislike him every day won’t change that. But just a suggestion, if you don’t like a fictional character (literally any character), maybe just… I don’t know, try not to be obsessed with them? It’s getting hilarious at this point.

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bebx · 2 years

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I can understand some of the criticisms Loki stans make about Mobius, but most of the time they are far too black and white and exaggerated. They call him a Nazi and a fascist. And Brainwashing is no excuse for his behaviour (but it is for Loki?). I always fail to understand that.

I find it very naive and kind of cold-hearted because hardly anyone would be able to immediately understand in Mobius' situation that the TVA might not be so good after all. When you get into a system as an adult man with no memories, you have no way to compare your moral values with anything else.

It is rather astonishing that Mobius preserved his kidness and develops doubts in such an environment. That shows exactly what kind of person he actually is. I think in general you can't judge anyone in the TVA. This organization was created by the most powerful man in the universe and it would be strange if it was easy to get out of.

These are still humans who can hardly do anything against a higher power. Calling them Nazis is so out of place because nobody ever asked them if they wanted to do that job. They were FORCED. They lost everthing - personality, memories, families, friends. A normal human life.

Besides, the TVA exists to prevent a war. Everyone believes in the TVA because they are told that with the sacrifices a much greater suffering is prevented. They didn't prune Variants because of fascist ideolgy. They just wanted to survive.

Anyone who thinks that if they were Mobius, they would stand above all this and break free with ease, has no idea how the human psyche works.

Whoever understands and forgives Loki, but condemns Mobius and the TVA in the strongest possible terms, has a double standard. Selective empathy shows that the person's evaluation is not on a rational but on an emotional level. Only then is it possible for the antis Mobius to think that he is the devil himself and that every single breath he takes is used to break and manipulate Loki.

Exactly. The fact Mobius is still able to preserve his kindness, after being brainwashed and being forced to live in an environment where nobody around him ever shows kindness towards anybody, is something I truly admire. It shows how pure his heart really is, that not even the Time-Keepers can take that kindness away from him. And you can see it — his kindness — in the way he treated that boy in the cathedral, even drew something for him, in the way he tried to comfort C-20 and other scared civilians at Roxxcart. So he’s not just kind to Loki. He is kind to everybody.

But the funniest thing is that 90% of those people who said those bullshit about Mobius, about how he’s a “bad guy”, see nothing wrong with Loki’s wrongdoings.

Yes, I am aware Loki was brainwashed by Thanos when he attacked earth and killed people in the first Avengers movie, but that still doesn’t excuse other terrible things he’s done, especially in the first Thor movie. Again, I know how Odin mistreated him, and I know Thor was to blame for some of his own behaviors, too, but that… still doesn’t excuse what Loki did. (And I’m saying this as someone who’s been a fan of Loki for years.)

My point is, it’s funny how some (thankfully, it’s just a minority toxic part of the fandom) Loki stans give Loki excuses for his lies and his crimes. But the second Mobius — who was kidnapped and brainwashed into believing he was doing the right thing by working for the TVA, even though he never actually had a choice — is a little mean to their precious Loki, they call him names.

Like… okay, cool, if you (general you) want to give Loki excuses for the reason why he did what he did (how he was mistreated by Odin and sometimes by Thor, even if it’s unintentional, or how Thanos tortured him), then fine. But you can’t call Mobius a ‘bad guy’ for being a little mean to Loki when Mobius was also kidnapped and brainwashed by the TVA.

Both Loki and Mobius were victims, in a way that Loki was a victim of Thanos (and maybe the TVA too), while Mobius was a victim of the TVA.

But Mobius didn’t “abuse” Loki. That is… so wrong to excuse him of that, especially when he’s the only person in the series who loves, actually loves and cares for Loki.

You can see how loyal Mobius was to the TVA, how he had never doubted them before he met his Loki, but in the end he turned against them for Loki.

Whether you (again, general you) like Mobius or not, he is Loki’s best friend, and he and Loki care about each other. Romantic or platonic, they care deeply about each other, there’s no denying that.

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bebx · 3 years

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Reblog if your blog is not a safe place for anyone who dislikes Mobius

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bebx · 2 years

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Defending Mobius M. Mobius is the hill I’d gladly die on

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bebx · 3 years

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I cant stand the loki stan accounts that are like “well maybe I would like Mobius if he actually acknowledged Loki’s trauma instead of blaming everything like Frigga dying on him” like please learn the difference between the character and bad writing…

I think the toxic people who think that should direct their concern towards the writers and question why, if they want the show to acknowledge Loki’s trauma, they made Loki make out with himself and shoved these ‘self-love’ bullshit in fans’ faces which, in result, they (the writers) are the ones who ignored Loki’s trauma for a cheap romantic storyline and abused the definition of self-love.

Because the real self-love would be Loki learning to love and accept his being a Frost Giant, instead of making him get romantically involved with himself before getting betrayed by himself, which simply contradicted the self-love thing.

Also, Mobius is actually the only person in the show who loves and cares for Loki, who knows of Loki’s mistakes and crimes and never once judges him.

Let’s not forget the fact Mobius

stepped in to save Loki when Ravonna was about to prune him

was the only person who believed in Loki — “a villain” “that’s not how I see it” — “you can be whoever, whatever, you want to be. Even someone good. I mean, just in case anyone ever told you different,”

got pruned for Loki, was ready to die for him in episode 4

betrayed his own glorious purpose (aka the TVA) for Loki while Sylvie betrayed Loki for her own glorious purpose

So I genuinely feel sorry for the ‘Loki stans’ who dislike Mobius because damn, it must suck disliking the only character in the show who genuinely loves the character you claim you ‘love’ couldn’t be me though.

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bebx · 3 years

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Mobius M. Mobius my beloved

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bebx · 3 years

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People who see Mobius as anything other than a literal ray of sunshine just make me laugh honestly. Like... what is there to hate about Mobius? Y’all mad he was ‘mean’ to Loki in episode one when Loki literally threatened to kill him after having successfully killed 80 people in 2 days? And Mobius being a little ‘mean’ to him suddenly makes him an abusive one while Loki’s an angel? I know Loki was mind controlled, but he’s still not a saint and he’s still made mistakes. Y’all act like Mobius is the bad guy in the situation just doesn’t sit right with me, especially when Mobius is the only person in the show who truly loves and cares for Loki.

Him locking Loki in a time loop with Sif suddenly makes him a bad guy? Wow. So we’re just gonna pretend Loki didn’t betray him? Mobius could’ve chosen any moment in Loki’s life to lock him in, when he learned his being a Frost Giant, when Thanos was torturing him, etc. But y’all mad Mobius sent him to get repeatedly kicked by Sif? Like... do people actually expect Mobius to send him to the comfort of his own bedroom after what he did??? Because honestly, if I were Mobius, I’d do a lot worse than sending him to Sif.

Remember that Mobius’s entire life was the TVA, and he’d betrayed that for Loki. He’s the only person who believes in Loki and sees good in him. He gave up everything for Loki. So for me, he’s the sweetest character in the series, if not in the entire MCU. And I say this as someone who’s been a fan of Loki for years. If there’s anyone else, besides Frigga and Thor, who truly, genuinely loves Loki, it’s Mobius.

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bebx · 3 years

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People saying Mobius is a bad person when Loki is a literal murderer is hilarious

This! I love Loki. I'll always love him, but he's made mistakes, and people seem to purposefully ignore his killing 80 people in 2 days (under Thanos's influence, I know, but he still did a lot of other messed up things) just for the sake of painting Mobius as a bad guy -- because Mobius was a little 'mean' to Loki, after Loki threatened to kill him -- when Mobius is, in fact, the one who's helped fixing and changing Loki for the better.

And it's not just Loki, throughout the series, we can see Mobius comforting/trying to help people, whether it be the kid he met at the cathedral in the first episode, Hunter C-20, or the people at Roxxcart grocery store. And at the end of the finale, Mobius didn't know who Loki was, but he was still trying to comfort him.

If anything, Mobius is the sweetest character in the series, if not in the entire MCU

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bebx · 3 years

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Yano what? It doesnt matter whether someone interprets the interrogation scene as therapeutic or lying and being abusive (without invalidating Loki’s trauma that should have been brought up) what matters is the “Thats not how I see it” THAT is the true indicator of Mobius’ character. Everyone else calls him a villain, an evil lying scourge, a cosmic mistake but Mobius doesn’t see him like that. Thats why I will never take “Mobius was abusive to Loki” takes seriously because they ignore that one line after.

Yeah. Also these are what Tom said about Mobius

So I honestly don’t understand how anybody could possibly see him as anything other than a sweet, kind man with so much love to give.

Hating Mobius is like hating sunshine and puppies tbh

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bebx · 3 years

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I need to say it to someone sorry but f*ck I’m done with people who say Mobius tortured and manipulated Loki like if Sylvie didn’t do the same thing. They need to stop baby him damn. They forget it’s the same loki who killed 80 people in 2 days. They want so bad to win to an argument and to make their ship more acceptable.

I’ve talked about this before here, here, here and here

But yeah, I don’t mind saying it again, because defending Mobius is the hill I’d gladly die on, to be honest; Mobius is the only person in the Loki series who genuinely loves and cares for Loki. He was ready to die for him in episode 4 and he ended up giving everything up for Loki. He literally turned against the TVA — which was his life, what he dedicated himself to and basically the only thing he knew — for Loki.

It’s funny how some people are mad at him for being a little mean to Loki after all the shit Loki did.

And again, all of Mobius’s actions can be justified. He was mean to Loki in episode one? Okay, did you sleep through the part before that where Loki threatened to kill him?

He put Loki in that time loop where he got repeatedly kicked in the crotch by Sif? Okay, did you not see what happened before that, that led to Mobius having to put Loki there? Spoilers alert, Loki betrayed Mobius first. So honestly, if I were Mobius, I’d do a lot worse than sending him to Sif, and this came from someone who’s been a fan of Loki for years and is still a fan of him. But Loki did a lot of messed up things, while Mobius was the one who never stopped believing in him. And in the end, Mobius did change Loki for the better.

So if you (general you) dislike Mobius, then my blog is simply not a place for you.

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bebx · 3 years

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Sylki’s and Mobius anti’s say “Mobius is abusive to Loki” like Loki didnt say to Mobius that he respects that Mobius lies and does other “bad” things and tell Sylvie that thats exactly why they get along so well and act like Sylki isn’t transphobic forced heteronormativity and that Sylvie didnt treat Loki like shit or just tolerate him almost the entire time she knew him…

Trigger warning // abuse

Mobius is the furthest thing from ‘abusive’ to Loki. To ‘abuse’ someone is to treat a person with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly, or to use something (such as power or authority) for ill intentions. None of these describes Mobius, quite the opposite, actually.

Ravonna was originally going to prune Loki. Mobius stepped in and saved his life. All of the ‘mean’ things he’s said to Loki (after Loki literally threatened to kill him, after successfully killing 80 people, regardless of him being mind controlled) were not to manipulate or to ‘break’ him down but to try to lift him up so that Loki saw good in himself the way Mobius believed there was good in Loki.

“A villain” “That’s not how I see it,” — how many people had said that to Loki? I’m willing to bet that the numbers aren’t so high. But to be more precise, Frigga and Thor are probably the only two people in Loki’s life, besides Mobius, who ever believed in him and saw good in him.

So if we’re talking about the series only, Mobius is, undoubtedly, the only person who really, truly, loves and cares for Loki without ever wanting anything in return. Sure, at first, he wanted Loki to help catch the variant, but I believe the real reason behind his saving Loki from getting pruned was because he, quote Ravonna’s words, has soft spot for broken things. He saw good in Loki and he believed he could fix and change him for the better (and he was right)

Mobius, in the end, betrayed the TVA (which was his entire life) for Loki.

So, really, for me, anybody who says Mobius is ‘abusive’ already lost an argument the very second they said that, so they might as well go ahead and argue with the wall instead.

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bebx · 3 years

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Let be honest, even if Mobius did apologise to Loki for the interrogation in ep1 and the time loop in ep4 anti’s would still say they were false apologies and Mobius only said sorry to manipulate Loki.

I think if Mobius had apologised in ep1 Loki wouldn’t have accepted it as genuine anyway by ep4 yeah he would have but we already got “I respect that” ie the bad things Mobius does and then in ep5 we got “Mobius isnt so bad. Or so good, thats why we get along” so Loki had forgiven him anyway and then we also got the hug and “thank you my friend” so yeah.

I honestly don’t give a fuck what they think. Tbh they’re just noises and they’ll always find an excuse to hate on him because they’re bitter Mobius become so loved by the majority of fans and even carried the show so.

Mobius is the only person in the show who loves and cares for Loki and that’s a fact. He’s proven that time after time.

Anyway there’re differences between defending your comfort character (because you know he hasn’t done anything wrong) and letting yourself be bothered by some noises. I don’t get tired of defending Mobius. Though I personally don’t think antis are worth my time to ever care about what they think lol

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bebx · 3 years

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I'm going to say it the people mad at Mobius were the same ones mad at Starlord doing the same thing Sylvie did (on the low she is worse tho bc she knew the consequences of her actions peter didn't) they are also the same ones that side with Tony during CW when Tony was wrong bc all of the stuff was his fault but acting like it was Steve who made flying robots.

I’ll personally refrain from getting myself into the Team Cap vs Team Iron-Man discourse (although I’m on Team Cap ehehehe) because I’ve seen valid points from both sides. But yeah.

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