#galidraan

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[yukipri]

I saw somewhere someone says it wasn't the Jedi fault what happened at Galidraan, they were there to arrest and investigate, not to kill, and it was the mando who attack first. Is that true ? I didn't read it

Ahh fandom misunderstandings about Galidraan continue.

Understandable, given it's from a relatively obscure base media but the event comes up a lot in fan works. I'll do my best to break it down.

All you need to know about the Massacre on Galidraan

The following info is all from the Legends comic Jango Fett: Open Seasons, specifically focussing on the 3rd installment, Winter. Here's a photo of my physical copy I have open as I type this, so you know I'm not pulling this info out of my ass.

First, some crucial facts:

1: Galidraan was not a Mandos vs Jedi conflict.

It may appear that way at first glance, and likely seemed that way to many outsiders across the Galaxy who only read about the massacre in a heavily censored news article. But while the battle was the True Mandalorians fighting against the Jedi and ultimately all dying except for Jango, that is not what the conflict was about.

2: There were 4 factions involved in Galidraan.

People oftentimes boil it down to Mandos vs Jedi, but that isn't accurate, because there were 4 parties involved:

The True Mandalorians (Haat Mando'ade; Jango's people)

The Jedi

Death Watch (led by Tor Vizsla, who killed Jaster, Jango's mentor)

The Governor of Galidraan

I have no idea why some fandom takes on Galidraan forget to mention the last two, when they are why the massacre took place at all.

3: The party responsible for the conflict on Galidraan was DEATH WATCH, with the Governor of Galidraan as their accomplice.

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The Jedi were used, and the True Mandalorians were victims.

You can endlessly debate whether or not the Jedi or the True Mandalorians could have taken different actions to have possibly prevented the massacre. And it's true, it might have been possible! There were certainly other actions that both sides could have taken.

HOWEVER. That discussion can ONLY take place after understanding that both sides were very intentionally, and very MALICIOUSLY manipulated by a third party.

This was not a normal Jedi vs Mandos clash. Neither the Jedi nor the True Mandalorians would have fought (would have even been on the planet in the first place!) without these manipulations, so to ask which of the two was to blame without first understanding that Death Watch set them up is failing to get Galidraan at all.

Here's what happened at the Massacre of Galidraan:

Jango and the True Mandalorians took a job from the Governor of Galidraan to kill his political opponents. The True Mandalorians are mercenaries, and this was just a job for them. It's also implied that Jango knew in advance that the Governor of Galidraan had been harboring Tor Vizsla and funding Death Watch*, and he intentionally took the job in order to get the Governor to owe him and pay him with information on them.

Jango and the True Mandalorians killed the Governor's political opponents, just as they were hired to do, and upheld their agreement. When Jango goes to collect payment, it was a trap—Tor Vizsla and Death Watch were waiting for him, and attempted to kill him.

Jango escapes, but his jetpack is damaged, as are his comms (or perhaps more likely, his comms were intentionally blocked). This is important because Jango now knows explicitly that they were set up: that the Governor of Galidraan was always working with Death Watch, and that he and his people being called to this planet was a trap in order to kill them. He tries to warn the True Mandalorians (Myles, his second, to be exact) to evacuate, but is unable to reach them because of his comms connection.

Back with Death Watch and the Governor, after Vizsla fails to kill Jango, they watch as the Jedi land on planet. The Governor states: "Yes, as you [Tor Vizsla] instructed, I begged for [the Jedi/the Republic's] help. Informed them that the Mandalorians were slaughtering political activists, which is basically true."

So, let's get this straight: the Governor of Galidraan, who personally HIRED the True Mandalorians to get rid of his political opponents, is now calling the Jedi to say "Oh no the Mandalorians are killing political activists!" And he did so under the explicit orders of Tor Vizsla. He explicitly backstabbed the True Mandalorians.

Should note that the True Mandalorians do follow a code, and only killed the specific people considered a threat (aka combatants). The True Mandalorians did not touch civilians, but as you can see from frames above, Death Watch goes ahead and kills them to make false evidence against the True Mandalorians and therefore justify their slaughter.

Again: Death Watch/Tor Vizsla and the Governor of Galidraan EXPLICITLY set up the True Mandalorians/Jango.

Next: Jango gets back to the True Mandalorians' camp as soon as he can, and arrives just as a large group of Jedi arrive, led by Dooku. Their lightsabers are already drawn.

Dooku says to them: "You stand accused of murder. Surrender now and we will ensure that you are fairly treated."

The girl next to Dooku, presumably young Komari Vosa, adds, "But fight us, and we will bring swift justice!"

Jango's response: "Mandalorians, open fire! And shoot the loudmouth first!"

And so the battle begins.

Without any of the previous context, sure, it might be easy to say "Jango's responsible, he fired first." But take a moment to think about what led up to this moment.

Jango knows, explicitly, that Death Watch and the Governor are working together.

He knows that Death Watch just wants him dead, and in fact very literally just escaped being killed.

He knows that he and his people are caught in a trap, and that Death Watch and the Governor want them all dead.

He probably isn't sure how they're going to be killed—until he arrives back at camp, and sees a shitton of Jedi with their lightsabers drawn, who are accusing them of a crime they did not commit. And he must have thought, ah, that would do it.

This isn't a normal encounter with the Jedi. It's true that Mandalorians have reasons to dislike Jedi as a whole, but Jango didn't shoot first because of that.

Jango shot first because he recognized that the Jedi were the weapon that Death Watch and the Governor chose for the execution of himself and his people. And he wasn't wrong.

Could Jango have maybe stopped to have a gentlemanly chat with Dooku and say "Good sir, we did not commit any murder, you were told false information and are being manipulated and we the True Mandalorians have been set up. Please put away your lightsabers so we can talk"? I mean. He could have. But.

With all of the context above, his decision to raise arms also makes sense.

After the battle, all fo the True Mandalorians present have been killed except Jango, as well as roughly half of the Jedi. Many of those Jedi were killed by Jango himself, with nothing but his bare hands—this is how he gains his infamous reputation as a "Jedi Killer." But to him, he was acting in self-defense.

The Jedi—or rather, at least Dooku—realize that they have been used only after the fact, and that they've done something horribly wrong and have killed innocents. Surrounded by the bodies of Jedi and True Mandalorians, and having just watched Jango strangle one last Jedi, Dooku says:

"What have we done...?"

In the "present" of the comic (pre-clone deal), Dooku also tells Sidious about Galidraan, "It was a misguided mission from the start. And not the first of the Council's many...poor decisions."

So what happened afterwards?

Jango alone was captured alive, and for some darn reason the Jedi turned him over to the Governor of Galidraan*. The Governor sold Jango to slavers and he was forced to work on a spice transport, until an opportunity arose to escape.

After escaping, did Jango seek out the Jedi?

No.

He beelined straight back to Galidraan, where the Governor, who had sold him and worked with Death Watch, had taken his armor (Jaster's armor) as some sort of twisted war trophy. He recovered his armor, and threatened the governor to get info on Tor Vizsla's location.

After that, did he go on a revenge campaign against the Jedi?

No.

He went straight for Tor Vizsla, who was PERSONALLY responsible for the deaths of the True Mandalorians at Galidraan. And he fought him. And killed him.

(or more specifically, injured him then let dire-cats eat him alive. Looks like Fetts have always had good luck with animals)

So that's the facts about Galidraan.

After Thoughts:

I hope this breakdown of the events makes it explicitly clear that Death Watch and the Governor were at fault for Galidraan, and that it was never a Mandos vs Jedi conflict. The same thing would have happened had Death Watch chosen a different executioner—though to be fair, not much can kill a trained group of Mandalorian mercenaries like the True Mandalorians.

Could both the True Mandalorians and Jedi have taken different actions that could have averted tragedy? Possibly. But just as likely, had Jango tried to talk, word would have reached the Jedi's ears that oh no, more Mandalorians are slaughtering the Galidraan women and children! (what Death Watch was doing while the True Mandos and Jedi were fighting) and then one of the more hot headed Jedi like Vosa probably would have been like "These negotiations are a distraction! Even now you're killing innocents—we fight!" And the True Mandos would have been killed anyway.

Again, they were set up. The True Mandalorians to be killed, the Jedi to be used as their ignorant executioner. They were not the only parties involved, and any attempt to peacefully negotiate their way out of it would have been hindered by the true aggressors, who already had contingency plans at the ready. And also, both parties were already expecting certain things of the other: Jango knew the Jedi had been sent to kill them (though not why the Jedi believed they should), and the Jedi thought they were a bunch of murderers, not a professional group simply hired for a job.

This is just my personal take, but while I don't think either Jango nor Dooku acted unreasonably at the time of the battle, there were two points where I think they could have made better decisions (marked with * above):

1) When Jango decided to take a job on Galidraan in the first place, knowing in advance that the Governor was friendly with Tor Vizsla and Death Watch. Admittedly, the comic doesn't provide much context for this, and perhaps the intel Jango had suggested a more distant connection, or something else to imply the Governor would be willing to rat out Death Watch. It seems almost cute that Jango goes ok, well I don't want to just randomly bust this guy's door down to threaten him for info on my arch nemesis, so I'm going to do a job for him and get him to owe me, and then we'll talk.

If there is one not so intelligent move Jango made, it seems like this one, though again there's not much context so perhaps it does make more sense.

2) When the Jedi give Jango to the Governor of Galidraan. I don't know about the rest of the Jedi, but Dooku at least seemed to sense that something had gone horribly wrong with the mission immediately after the battle, before they took Jango into custody. But despite KNOWING this, they didn't take the time to thoroughly investigate (better late than never) before handing Jango to his enemies on a silver platter. I would say that the Jedi ARE pretty responsible for this part, especially since they had reason to know better.

This action of the Jedi handing Jango over also implies that even if Jango had complied and he and all of the True Mandalorians had surrendered to the Jedi in hopes of talks, the Jedi would have handed them all over to the Governor (and Death Watch) to either be turned into slaves or executed. So no, I don't think that would have worked out well at all.

(I'm going to give at least Dooku the benefit of doubt, since the comic shows that at least he (and possibly he alone of the Jedi present) recognized that something was wrong. I'd hope that as the leader and presumably most senior member of the group of Jedi, he'd have some sort of authority, but then again, this is the Senate. He might have tried to at least delay Jango being handed over to the Governor until an investigation was conducted, but was perhaps held back by too much legal tape, and had to watch as someone he was sure was a victim was handed over to a suspicious party. Maybe he personally did an investigation afterwards and found that his bad feelings were correct, but when he tried to bring it up with the Council/Senate, he was told to forget about it. That would certainly shatter what remaining faith he had in the Republic and the Jedi, and possibly also lead him to search out Jango specifically as a candidate for the clone project—but again, this is purely speculation. Either way, Galidraan forms a potentially very fascinating connection between Dooku and Jango that predates Sidious.)

On the Jedi:

While the Galidraan conflict isn't about the Jedi, and they were simply used, I think internally, it does reveal some deep flaws in the Jedi Order as a whole, and that Dooku's criticisms of how they acted are fair. Dooku tells Jango, "[Galidraan] was the last of my foolish errands for the Senate. And the Jedi."

The Jedi are supposed to be peacekeepers, are supposed to understand and help people across the Galaxy, which their connection to the Force is supposed to help with. But by becoming an entity controlled by a political power that responds to mission requests through that chain, the Jedi are at risk of being used for various political agendas, sometimes to terrible consequences—like at Galidraan.

The quote above shows that the orders for the Jedi came from the Senate, who got them from the Governor of Galidraan. The fact is that the Jedi are a completely external force with zero familiarity with Galidraan or its current happenings, who were summoned by a government to do their bidding. If there was any investigation done, it clearly wasn't enough, and the Jedi were essentially turned into super deadly government attack dogs.

Galidraan laid bare the great danger that the Jedi can be, when their power is given to the wrong hands. Again, the Jedi were used—but that they could be used, that they likely have been used in the past and will be used in the future so long as they are beholden to a Republic whose orders they must follow—that's something to think about.

Again, it's not about Jedi vs Mandos. Sure, the fact that the Jedi have bad history with Mandos may have affected the lack of depth in their investigation. But it could have just as easily been "Group of X people are murdering innocents!" and the very same thing could have happened. This conflict revealed far less, "wow the Jedi really hate Mandos!" and more, "the Jedi and the Republic have a flawed relationship, and obeying government orders does not necessarily a peacekeeper make."

Given that the Jedi decided to give Jango to the Governor, I think it's very likely that no deep investigation was ever done into Galidraan, and if it was, it was covered up. After all, it's against the Republic's interests to show that they passed manipulated info to the Jedi, because they can't have the Jedi wanting to question future orders or worse, refuse to obey! And in a way, it's against the Order's interests to show that they not only fucked up by going to the mission at all, but further fucked up by handing the last surviving victim to the enemy after the fact. Add to that the fact that Death Watch was on site actively manipulating evidence and muddling the truth, and Jango no longer has anyone left alive to vouch for him so it's only his word, it's very likely that the truth really never got out of the small circle of those personally involved.

Perhaps the Jedi taught about Galidraan internally as a cautionary tale about being careful about the orders they're given. But given the above, I think that's incredibly generous and frankly unlikely.

On Jango Fett

This leads me to a final point: I disagree that Jango passionately hates and wants revenge on the Jedi.

At least, based on this story, as well as his depiction in the Bounty Hunters video game (which is supposed to be a sequel to this comic, even though its depiction of the start of the cloning contract isn't mutually compatible with the version in this comic) Jango doesn't actually really appear to care all that much about the Jedi at all.

You can say what you will about his actions, but he always has a very clear target for who his enemy is, and he goes straight for them. Immediately post Galidraan, it was the Governor of Galidraan and then Tor Vizsla specifically—not even the rest of Death Watch!

And while there isn't all that much official info on what Jango did after he killed Vizsla until he was pulled into the cloning project, I see zero evidence that he was consumed by revenge, or that he attempted to hunt down the rest of Death Watch or kill any Jedi despite the harm they have done to him in the past.

In fact, from his depiction at the start of the Bounty Hunters game, which I think is the best source of this period of his life that I can think of, it looks like Jango just kind of threw himself into bounty hunting work. After all, one does not have the reputation as "best bounty hunter in the galaxy" overriding "former Mand'alor, leader of the True Mandalorians" unless he did, well, a lot of bounty hunting.

He was a loner who didn't have any friends, which implies he didn't go looking for any surviving True Mandalorians—and there must have been, not everyone could have been in that battle. I suspect it's out of guilt, but that's a separate discussion. He didn't go hunting Jedi specifically, because presumably not many Jedi (who still identify as Jedi) have bounties on them, and "Jedi Killer" would certainly be a reputation louder than bounty hunter if that was his main focus.

But no. He was just a sad, lost dude who's really good at killing people so continues the Honorable Mercenary traditions of his people who are now gone, all by himself. Even the contest that lead to him being chosen as the Prime clone was originally just another job, and he just happened to meet Montross in the process, but he didn't really go out of his way to hunt him down either, despite how he was personally responsible for Jaster's death.

However—if you don't know that about Jango, and again don't have a full understanding of what happened at Galidraan (which again, I doubt many people do), I think it would be very easy to go oh! The Jedi killed all his people! So of course he hates Jedi!

(Which then provides a reason for why the Sith would think he would want to work with them to hurt Jedi—but does NOT explain why the Jedi would not think it suspicious that he's the Prime clone for an army supposedly made to help them. But that too is a separate exploration.)

All of this makes Jango a very fascinating character for me, and I could go on to explore his motivations and actions so much more—and in fact I do!!! All of those explorations of Jango and his motives and past are included as a large part of my fic, The Prime Override! So I won't go into it more here, this post is long enough, but you can check out my thoughts there! (LMAO sudden self-promo)

But anyway!!! I hope this whole thing was interesting for you, and that it helped you understand what happened at Galidraan better!

Again, the comic is Jango Fett: Open Seasons, written by Hayden Blackman, art by Ramon Bachs, Raul Fernandez, and Brad Anderson, published by Dark Horse Comics in 2002.

While I believe the standalone comic is out of print (I had to hunt down my copy on ebay), it's all included in Marvel Unlimited's digital comic library. It's also in the Star Wars Omnibus: Emissaries & Assassins collection, which might be cheaper because it's more recent.

As tragic as Jango's past is, it's one of my favorite Legends stories and I recommend reading the story for yourself if you can!

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[syn0vial]

honestly as much as i love galidraan as a source of angst and a big reason that jango is The Way he is, i do also think the overall conceit of it was poorly written and find arguments over which side was "responsible" for the massacre to be very frustrating.

imo, the problem is that the writer(s) would have us believe that a competent peacekeeping group could, with perfectly good intentions, wipe out an entire clan of people and then just kind of carelessly let the sole survivor of said massacre be sold into slavery in the aftermath.

and there's just like... no way to spin those circumstances into a form that isn't monstrous. and this isn't me saying, "therefore the jedi are the bad guys, the end." this is me being frustrated bc i don't find it feasible for a group of jedi to have done this. i literally do not understand how the jedi come there with the intention of arresting people and then just fucking genocide them instead—regardless of if jango shot first. unless the jedi had swapped out their lightsabers with rocket launchers or were specifically only aiming for decapitations, it doesn't make sense.

this strained suspension of disbelief is further compounded by the fact that the jedi council only expresses their regrets for what happened on galidraan after realizing that they'd been tricked by the planet's governor and that the mandalorians they'd massacred had been innocent—which only gives the very wild impression that if the true mandalorians had been guilty of crimes, then the whole mass murder and enslavement thing would've been peachy with them.

i just find the depiction of the jedi in this episode of star wars history to be atrocious to the point where it's just like... no, there needs to be more reason provided for this than just, "the governor lied to them." intentional sabotage, bad actors in the group, a greater conspiracy—there has to be something more than, "they just accidentally genocided this entire clan idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" bc the latter is just not believable on its own.

furthermore, if the massacre of galidraan was a thing that happened, whether bc of conspiracy or not, one would expect a much greater reaction among the jedi as a whole: an investigation, sanctions or even expulsion from the order for those deemed responsible, action against the governor that had lied to him, or, idk, tracking down the survivor you handed over to that governor to make sure nothing horrific has been done to him. something! instead, the jedi council is just kind of like "oops our bad" and, aside from dooku leaving, nothing really comes of it.

it really does just feel like the writer(s) needed a reason for jango to hate the jedi and so chose to, for this one isolated occurrence, write the jedi being cartoonishly, unbelievably horrible to justify it. and i find it all the more frustrating bc i think it would still have been believable for jango to loathe the jedi even if they hadn't been portrayed so appallingly. if the massacre had been the result of bad actors or conspiracy within the group, if the council had pursued action against the people responsible, if a mission had been deployed after the fact to find out what had become of jango—wouldn't it still make sense for him to, rightfully or wrongfully, hold the jedi as a group responsible for the death of his family? would he even know about the true reasons for the massacre or the jedi's attempts to help him afterwards? if the jedi had tried to rescue him from slavery but failed to find him, wouldn't that make his hatred of them all the more tragic?

idk, i just feel like there's a lot of lost potential there and i wish more people would discuss the lapses of the writer(s) rather than condemning or justifying the event as if it was an actual historical occurrence.

#star wars meta #galidraan #jango fett #full disclosure: i was totally one of the people that characterized the entire jedi order based on galidraan #bc i was young and my descent into star wars had been very fett forward #now i am older and wiser and can say with confidence: star wars writers bad sometimes #if you're gonna do someone as dirty as the writers did the jedi in this story there needs to be either precedence or follow-up #and there really wasn't either here

[tinky-dinky]

About Jango Fett

So I've been having a lot of thoughts and feelings about Jango recently, and I want to talk about him.

Fair warning: This is almost entirely my own headcanons. It is based on canon, but is not canon and should not be taken as canon. Having said that, though, if you want to borrow my ideas for your own headcanons or fanfics, go ahead. Just credit me, please.

Let's talk Jango Fett.

It's difficult to reconcile the two halves of Jango. The loving father from a culture that puts heavy emphasis on protecting children and the cold man who allowed innocent children to be enslaved, tortured, abused and killed.

I think there are multiple ways we can explain this dichotomy. The obvious reasoning is that Jango simply doesn't view the clones as human, as anything more than meat droids. He compartmentalised them in his mind so they didn't come under the Mandalorian cultural protection of children. Boba, under this rationalisation, doesn't count as a clone because he's unaltered.

I don't particularly like this explanation, as it makes Jango an asshole. It's probably the most likely answer, but it's the least interesting.

I think Jango is a very broken man. He grew up in a civil war, watched his bio parents be murdered in front of him when he was 8 years old, then watched his adopted father be betrayed and killed when he was 14. It's worth pointing out that by this time he was already fighting in battles.

By the time he was 15, Jango had lived through a war and watched three parents be murdered. Then he's put in charge of his people, when he's way too young to handle that kind of pressure, and only manages to lead them for seven years.

Then Galidraan happens. His people are slaughtered, and it's partially his fault. The bulk of blame is on the Governer and Death Watch for setting the trap and the Jedi for being easily manipulated, failing to do any kind of research or investigation and actually being the ones who carried out the slaughter.

But Jango did fire first. It was technically him that started the violence, although given the Jedi approached with drawn lightsabers, one could argue some kind of violence was inevitable regardless of what Jango did.

This is all made worse by Jango's inability to grieve or process the loss of his people, because he was sold into slavery. I cannot imagine an unhealthier way to recover from trauma.

It's interesting that Jango never seems to have sought out any remaining True Mandalorians after he escapes slavery. Some must have survived; it's very unlikely that every single one of them went to Galidraan. In Legends canon, at least, there was one other survivor of Galidraan, a Mando named Silas. Dooku captures and tortures him for information on Jango.

So why did Jango never seek out any of his people? It could be that he felt they blamed him for the slaughter at Galidraan and wouldn't want him around, or may even injure or kill him. It could be that he didn't want anyone around him, was afraid to get close to people again, because everyone he's cared about has died. His parents, his sister, Jaster, all of his people, they all died. It could be that Jango thinks his people might want him to be their leader again and he doesn't trust himself to lead again. He fired first at Galidraan, and it got his people massacred.

I think it was probably some combination of all three.

I also think the second reason, the fear of getting close to people in case they die, is part of the reason why he doesn't acknowledge the clones. He's desperate not to lose more people he cares about, and he knows the clones are made to die.

But, then, what about Boba? Why did he insist on having Boba?

Legacy. But not his. I think he was thinking about Jaster's legacy when he decided to have Boba. Jaster was a good man, a reformer with the desire to make Mandalore a better place and a beloved leader. Certainly a better leader than Jango believes himself to have been.

Between Death Watch and the New Mandalorians, Jaster, his reforms and his people have been largely forgotten. Pretty much everyone who knew Jaster is dead, the True Mandalorians are almost all gone and his reforms have been ignored.

Jango wants someone to know about Jaster. To remember him and his legacy. And deep down somewhere, in a part of him he's repressing, he longs for family too.

He's fiercely protective of Boba, because he's desperate not to lose anyone else.

This brings us back to the clones. Why would Jango agree to make them? Especially when the man who recruited him is the same man who led the slaughter of his people?

I'm unsure if it's ever confirmed that Jango knew that the man he was working for was Dooku before Geonosis. I don't think it's likely he did. Again, why would he ever agree to work with him? No, I think Jango found out he had been working with Dooku when he arrived on Geonosis.

Maybe that's why he decided to go for Mace Windu, head of the Jedi order, of all the Jedi on Geonosis. Maybe he realised he'd spent a decade doing the bidding of the man who slaughtered his people. Maybe that led to other realisations, about how awfully he'd treated the clones, what he'd allowed to happen to them. Maybe he wanted to die.

All in all, I don't think Jango was a terrible person. He wasn't an especially good person, but he also wasn't an especially bad person either. Just a very broken man, struggling with a heavy amount of trauma in a galaxy that clearly lacks any kind of mental health support or treatment.

#Jango Fett #the clone wars #the clones #Boba Fett #Jaster Mereel #star wars #galidraan #korda six #geonosis #thoughts #headcanons #sorry this is a very long post #I just had a lot of thoughts

[adhd-coyote]

I wrote a thing!

There's Something in the Water - adhd_coyote - Multifandom [Archive of Our Own]

There's Something in the Water Author: adhd_coyote Rating: Teen & Up Archive Warnings: Graphic Depictions of Violence, Major Character Death (it's Dooku) Ships: None Summary: After his return from Melida/Daan, Obi-Wan Kenobi resolves to keep his head down and deal with his visions on his own. Besides, it's not like anyone ever listens, no matter how much he begs. But after enduring a week of nightmares filled with blood and death, he steals a ship and flies himself to Galidraan in a desperate attempt to prevent his dreams of slaughter from becoming a reality. Maybe, just this once, someone will listen to him.

#star wars #star wars fanfiction #obi wan kenobi #angst #count dooku #komari vosa #galidraan #padawan obi wan #fallen obi wan #obi goes a little bit insane

[short-wooloo]

Most people are genuinely surprised to find out that Galidraan was in fact the mandalorians fault because they fired first (people largely don't realize this because they haven't read the source material, only "heard" about it), now plenty of people upon this realization will 180 and go "oh shit, the mandalorians are fucking stupid"

But there are still people who will try to paint the Jedi as in the wrong and the mandies as innocent victims

How?

With this:

"Well the Jedi had their lightsabers drawn! That means that the mandos HAD to open fire before the Jedi attacked first!"

(Consequently, this is a lot like the anti Jedi drivel I've seen saying they were at fault for drawing their weapons first when confronting the sith)

First "we have to attack before they attack" is not a valid defense, because it shows you know nothing about the Jedi (not that I'd think its a valid defense if it wasn't Jedi), they're not "attack first types", they fight defensively, which gets to my next point

Against blaster wielding opponents, Lightsabers are largely defensive weapons, and if you've actually read the source material comic, you'll know that when the Jedi confront the mandos, they're a good several feet away, the only way they can hit the nandos from this distance is by deflecting shots, which y'know, requires the mandos to attack first

Worth noting that the Jedi were there to arrest and investigate, they say as much to the mandos, then the mandos attacked, smart

And I'd say it's fairly reasonable to have your weapon drawn when confronting a heavily armed, extremely violent group known for having a murderous grudge against your people

#star wars #wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #sw #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #anti mandalorian #anti mando #anti mandos #mando critical #mandalorian critical #battle of galidraan #galidraan #on galidraan #galidraan meta

[eglerieth]

Any Star Wars fic writers out there, would you please consider writing a fic of Sabine time traveling to Galidraan?

Reasons:

• she is the great great great grand Padawan of dooku

• she is Mandalorian and vehemently anti-Death Watch

• she’s got lots of experience dealing with mando-jedi similarities and differences

It would just be super fun, I think

#star wars #Fic ideas #sabine #sabine wren #ahsoka spoilers #galidraan #Mandalorians #Eglerieth

[ahsoka-in-a-hood]

You know, I think the galidraan fix it I want to see is the one where the time traveller or whoever gets to know and saves the lives of those political activists whose murders caused the conflict to begin with

#it's always about the tragic deaths of all those mandos and jedi and I'm just over here like what about those activists #galidraan #Jango fett #mandalorians #SW fic

[kurara123]

As much as I love Dooku episodes (esp. ep 4) I want Galidraan episode with young Jango instead of episode 3. This was one of the reasons why Dooku betrayed jedi in Legends.

#totj #count dooku #tales of the jedi #master dooku #sw #star wars #my post #star wars tales of the jedi #sw totj #jango fett #galidraan

[napping-in-the-sun]

me: post a new fic out of the blue without telling anyone

also me: *refreshing my statistic page every ten seconds* why isn't there any kudos/comments already ☹️

( https://archiveofourown.org/works/41429064 )

#star wars #fic #i thrive off of attention #jango fett #galidraan #click on if you want to read a fic of dubious quality about jango using legal loophole to avoid arrest

[phoenixyfriend]

The King, the Soldier, and the Spy: Prologue

(Read on AO3)

In which Ahsoka is a time-traveler, Jango narrowly avoids leading his own political faction to death, and Quinlan's got a massive crush on a pair of aggressively hypercompetent weirdos.

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When Ahsoka wakes up on an unfamiliar planet, dressed for the wrong weather and with no memory of how she arrived, she is… not as surprised as she could be. She’s been through even more weird Force things than most Jedi, and she’s not going to pretend that sudden transportation is even a first.

Okay. So. Snow. Trees. Maybe a temperate planet in winter, maybe a mixed-climate planet with a mostly snow zone. Maybe a snow planet just warm enough for certain kinds of trees. Daylight, so she can’t see the stars to help her figure out where she is, but it does tell her there’s only one sun. Atmosphere is breathable, gravity similar to Coruscant.

That doesn’t tell her where she is of course, barely narrows it down, but it’s good to catalogue these things.

She leverages herself to her feet and bounces a few times on her toes, trying to get her blood pumping. It’s frippin’ cold, and if she’d known she was ending up here, she’d have been able to use the Force to keep herself warm, instead of warming herself up.

No visual or auditory sign of civilization, but she can smell the faintest trace of speeder fuel waste gasses, and burned tibanna. There’s a city, probably klicks and klicks away, but reachable.

So… she needs to find it. Figure out where she is. Get a ride out. Let Bail know.

(She gets to call him Bail, now. That’s incredibly cool.)

(She is nineteen and a survivor, and so she takes her joy where she can find it.)

Finding civilization first. She closes her eyes. She reaches out to the Force. It sings back, lighter than she’s grown used to in the Core.

There are Jedi here.

There are dozens of Jedi here, and they are ready to do battle.

She takes off sprinting.

(Continue on AO3)

#Ahsoka Tano #Jango Fett #Count Dooku #star wars #galidraan #phoenix files #the king the soldier and the spy #the clone wars #sw legends

[naethjen]

Oya Mand’alor

#listen I realise Jaster never touched the darksaber but he derserves to have it okay #jaster mereel #star wars #is this low key what I imagine Galidraan looks like? #maybe so #canon what canon #isn't legends just what we want star wars to be in our hearts anyway? #disney hire me I know what's up #mandalorian #true mandalorians

[yukipri]

Thanks for explaining the entirety of the Galidraan incident/Jango's role in it. It's been ages since I've read that particular comic so I only had vague memories and ideas of how that incident went down. Hazy memories combined with the weird Jedi vs True Mandalorians takes I've seen in a lot of fics was making my head spin.

I'm glad it was helpful! I get that a lot of people create/consume fanworks without actually looking at the original media. Which, is ok! I'm not here to gatekeep anyone and how they choose to enjoy fandom and fictional entertainment.

But for me personally, the fun part of creating my own fanworks is personally watching/reading the original media, and then reflecting on it, reinterpreting it, altering, all with an understanding of the base materials that I'm working with. If I choose to discard part of it, I do it with full awareness and intent. Collecting the pieces of the puzzle and figuring out how I want to put them together is what's interesting to me!

That means that to the best of my ability, I will try to collect and actually go through the base media as much as I can before making a thing. I sometimes can't get through everything, because in a franchise as big as Star Wars there's always some obscure media I haven't or can't get my hands on, and my time and sanity is limited. But it's important to me that I make an effort.

With Galidraan specifically, Jango's a character I really care about and am fascinated by, and have spent a crapton of time analyzing, both his past and motivations. I also really like both the True Mandalorians and the Jedi! So it's frustrating when I see people pit these two groups together, when they are BOTH generally portrayed to be noble, with good intentions, and then there's Death Watch manipulating it all from the shadows. Combined with Death Watch's increasing role in new Star Wars media like the Mandalorian, being consumed by people new to the fandom....

and I'm just like please y'all. Give Evil credit where it's due instead of pitting the good guys against each other, yeah???

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#YukiPri replies #Anonymous #Galidraan #Star Wars #True Mandalorians #Jedi #Death Watch #OP comment: to be clear I do not mean that EVERYTHING about both the True Mandos and Jedi are good #they are both flawed #but that in no way makes either organization the same as Death Watch #and in this particular story there is an *explicit* antagonist #and it is neither Jango nor the Jedi nor even Dooku

[itstimeforstarwars]

Being a new parent is difficult. Being a new parent to de-aged soldiers with knowledge of the future, a general mistrust of everyone, and a habit of keeping secrets, all in the middle of a tense situation between historic enemies...well, that is slightly more difficult.

(Sequel to Free Jedi to Good Home)

Chapter 25: It’s time to rescue some Jedi.

#my writing #galidraan au #obi wan kenobi #commander cody #qui gon jinn #andra jedi apprentice #denetrus jedi apprentice #i started a new post because the other one was getting kind of long

[tinky-dinky]

I really hate it when fanfic writers act like the Jedi weren’t at all responsible for the massacre of the Haat’Ade on Galidraan.

The Jedi did not bother to do a modicum of research on Mandalorians, which if they had done they’d have known that the Haat’Ade follow a strict code of honour, including not killing civilians or children, meaning they were not the group of Mandalorians who were killing people on Galidraan.

The Jedi approached Jango and the Haat’Ade with their lightsabers drawn and demand he surrender to them. So they’ve already decided Jango and his people are the guilty party, without any investigating.

The Jedi, instead of deescalating the situation, chose to completely slaughter the Haat’Ade. Yes, Jango shot first. But they’re Jedi. They can deflect blaster bolts. Unless every single Haat’Ade there fired at once, there was time for them to deflect the initial bolt and at least attempt to deescalate the situation.

The Jedi handed Jango over to be sold into slavery.

The Jedi are at fault for the massacre of the Haat’ade and the enslavement of Jango. Indirectly, that also means that the clones were made because of them.

(I also hate how their usage of the clones- enslaved child soldiers- gets glossed over, but that’s a different post for a different time.)

#ugh #just read a fic that started off so well but then cody went on a rant against Jango that essentially boiled down to #‘galidraan was your fault because you shot first and your trauma is invalid because our trauma is worse’ #fuck that noise #jango fett #galidraan #the jedi #the more I think about it the more dubious the Jedi become #huh

[adhd-coyote]

Sooooo y'all remember There's Something in the Water? Yeah the muse kept chewing on it and now it's a series! So here's the follow up two-shot!

Waking Up To - Chapter 1 - adhd_coyote - Multifandom [Archive of Our Own]

Rating: Teen & Up Archive Warnings: None Summary: Silas wakes up to the end of the Haat'ade.

Obi-Wan wakes up after running away from the Jedi.

Both are without their people.

#star wars #star wars fanfiction #fanfiction #galidraan #obi wan kenobi #silas the mandalorian #mandalorians #angst #fallen obi wan #dark obi wan #padawan obi wan #obi wan has left the order #after accidentally on purpose killing dooku #and silas finds him freezing to death in the snow #ao3 fanfic #hurt/comfort