#having some deep conversations

[itsdaifuku]

darlin : 'bad day?'

sweetheart: 'yeah.. '

tbh i didn't think i would post this because i just wanted to try out a few brushes and color palettes. but i think it turned out better than expected so why not just show you

Tag List:

@sojutsu , @riverflowsanywherebuthere , @dormienschas , @shellssstuff , @darlin-collins , @angelcactus , @suniani , @verrverii, @ashtonsdrumstixs , @annahhopee , @teaseat , @lumpiya , @haradasaya , @ekko-loves-echo , @floofdeloop , @anthrokiaera , @mrsmiagreer , @deviantaj , @celestecreateschaos , @m3lod1e

#i imagine sweetheart and darlin building their friendship during smoke breaks they take together #having some deep conversations #laughing over some sarcastic jokes here and there #and i was also in the drawing mood for something moody LOL #redacted asmr #redacted audio #redacted headcanons #redactedverse #redacted fanart #fanart #redacted shaw pack #daifuku's sketches #redacted darlin #redacted sweetheart

[uncanny-tranny]

Over the years, I've gotten a lot of cis people messaging me about how they should go about dating or courting somebody who's trans, and I always felt like my responses would almost... disappoint them because there isn't this magic secret to dating us.

Cis people, if you want to date us, just date us. We're human beings, we're not wild animals to tame! I promise you can have a healthy relationship with a trans person without needing to feel like the world will end if you mess up.

Trans people who date cis people often want to feel secure in your acceptance of them. You don't have to talk about our transness for hours on end to prove that you accept your loved one. You don't have to put on a display and cabaret about how Much You Accept Us. Just be a person around us, and let us be people, too!

I almost want to disappoint cis people by reminding them of this. Some of the best relationships I've had with cis people have been ones where my transness is acknowledged, sure, but it's acknowledged in the same way that my left-handedness is. It's not a joke to them, it isn't something to be horrified about, but it's also something that they don't objectify me for.

#trans #transgender #lgbt #lgbtq #ftm #mtf #nonbinary #watching a video about this topic and it just reminded me of this #like there have been plenty of cis people who have come to me for advice and while i appreciate the thoughtfulness (don't get me wrong!)... #...part of me just feels like... they see trans people as needing to be Tamed in some way or Appeased... #...like they see us as people but it's more like they see us as Trans People and not... people... #...and maybe i'm looking too deep into it. maybe i'm jaded but that's sometimes how it can feel with some people... #...like my besties that i talk to fully accepted me... #...though it is funny when they forget i'm... not a trans woman or (with other friends) that i'm... not a cis man #(maybe i just give off ambiguous vibes irl and online because it's happened irl and with my online buddies) #adding once again: i don't think ALL cis people who ask this are doing so in bad faith #cis people i'm glad you are vulnerable about not being sure about how to go about transness... #...however i don't always think it's the best move to go to a stranger about your interest in a trans person in your life... #...simply because: 1. transness isn't a monolith and... #...2. it feels awkward because you aren't going to *them* to have this conversation that will ultimately affect *them*... #...because your relationship with a trans person will likely /not/ affect a trans stranger...

[all-too-unwell-13]

just finished the creeping shadow

and wow. i loved that book so much.

(i have several lines from the book that i'll post about and talk about later lmao)

i knew lucy would end up joining l&co again, but when i tell you i nearly screamed when i read the line!!! so good.

once again, the locklyle crumbs omg <3<3<3

ugh i loved reading them. especially when they had that deep conversation in the iron chain circle and lucy rejoined l&co!!! and them holding hands ??? and blushing at each other ??? and their shared smiles ??? oh my god.

also i really liked how holly and lucy got on better terms by the end of the book, though holly kind of pissed me off at the beginning, i kind of liked her towards the end.

and george!!! omg. i loved how he and lucy interacted for most of the book — especially when they had that argument at the end of the first case together (at the beginning of the book); because they honestly both needed to have that argument. like it was needed.

kipps was also absolutely hilarious in this book, i've grown to like him a lot lmao

overall i really loved this book!! i've been trying to take it slow so i can savour the books, and i'm on the last one now 😭😭

anyway yeah i really loved tcs, it was so good.

#help do ik how to say anything other than “i loved it” #anyways #that ending though !??!!? #again - i wasnt expecting it lmao #but aaaahhhh i cant wait to read the empty grave #gonna go start that now #also i will definitely be posting some of my fav moments/lines from tcs bc yes #lockwood & co #lockwood and co #anthony lockwood #george cubbins #lucy carlyle #locklyle my loves #locklyle #holly munro #quill kipps #god i love it when book ships have deep conversations in near death situations

[utilitycaster]

I don't begrudge anyone their campaign preferences, and I think there's plenty of valid reasons to like Campaign 3 the best and this is not directed at people who are genuinely having a great time with it, but it feels like virtually all the nostalgia and wishful thinking I see surrounding Campaign 3 is screaming "you guys want Campaign 2." You want more slow travel and downtime and interparty conversations and slow-burn romance? You wish their main focus was fighting governmental corruption? You want a party that only semi-settles down at the end and keeps adventuring and remains very close? You're frustrated by how everpresent and overarching the moon plot is? You miss when they were just fucking around in a city? I genuinely believe you want Campaign 2, or at best you love a specific ship or a character from Campaign 3 but aren't happy about basically anything else, and would vastly prefer the tone and events and plot of Campaign 2. And I don't really care if you watch Campaign 2, or if you think I'm being annoying here; I simply genuinely believe you'd be happier watching Campaign 2 than Campaign 3 and are so deep in a sunk cost fallacy well you can't see it.

#the number of people who SCREAM if you imply campaign 3 is not the greatest campaign but also openly resent the moon focus is. high. #i've had my complaints about the people from c1 who would shit on c2 but i'll give them this: they actually do love c1. #it feels a lot of people just want bells hells at a chuck e cheese birthday party and like. that's not campaign 3 babe. #i actually have grown to really like the moon plot once it finally took off #and c3 has had some satisfying lore resolutions and new places #but it feels like the people who showed up to ship kind of hate the core plot of the campaign which. is the core plot of the campaign. #cr tag #this is intended to be read in conversation with the post from earlier about things not being deep too #like it's ok if your blorbo or otp is in c3...but if that's the only thing you love do you love the campaign or do you just love them #also. i also don't begrudge anyone their reasons for watching a show #but I've seen like three people i follow try to watch wot solely bc Lanfear is hot and give up bc there's so much lore #and people get mad candela didn't give them a happy ending for their ship #it really is like did you show up for c3 or did you show up for a blorbo delivery system #not realizing this is prix fixe instead if made to order

[strangewiggles]

You were spilling all my will out I was bleeding my last brains It's nothing like the nothingness That normally numbs one's pain

Goodbye, oh goodbye

some closeups for you

#almost forgot to put tags #pathologic #pathologic 2 #my art #pathologic albino #albino pathologic #ill keep my ramblings IN THE TAGS this time . #oomf finished patho2 and we had a long conversation about how the albinos feel like. wasted potential for what they SEEM to symbolize #in the nocturnal ending anyway #this art is of the diurnal ending if that isnt. clear #because TO ME #what they symbolize is. a dying culture. and that seems. like its true? and not just “oh this is how i felt about them” #but some people are bigger pathoheads than me so idk #but they had been presented as fictional or a part of artemy's mind #as theyre first shown in the tumbler human #then the dream #but yknow when things get so unbelievably desperate they have to get out of hiding #and come out of hiding i mean literally cuz i like to think they went into hiding deep in the abattoir #sorry if i am just explaining stuff that is very blatantly in the game . ive been thinking about this for the last few days #let me feel smart okay #“give the albinos a voice” is very on the nose #IN A GOOD WAY!!!!! [SPONGEBOB ROCK FALL IMAGE] #in a WONDERFUL way actually. when i think about the kin too much i start crying #HENCE #THIS DRAWING #i wanna draw some herb brides soon. maybe nara

[writhe]

#TAGS TLDR YOU CAN NEVER TRULY GO HOME BUT DO YOU WANT TO? #writing a little for d&d and having feelings about this #it was really interesting jasper and i were working on some game mechanics and we kept getting stuck at weird parts and it developed into #this conversation where we realized we experience the world #in such fundamentally different ways. like specifically talking about how paranoia #manifests and stuff but even later in a broader sense like our experiences of time and everything is so different #and they'd be like 'well what if this is something that happened to lock' and id be like 'how could that be something that anyone would #experience' and they were like 'oh because i do' #(example here was my character not realizing he had been magically transported and filling in the blank with vague memories of travel but i #was like. are you not acutely aware of every single moment you are awake and in motion even if it is excruciatingly boring. and jasper #was like. 'oh...no. i could be transported from one place to another and if time passed i wouldnt even think about having traveled or not' #which was WILD to me but then we were like 'okay i guess this cannot be something that happened to lock' because i couldnt even fathom that #but like anyway idk we got weirdly deep dive-y about d&d stuff and personal lives and i had big feelings on it bc genuinely i feel like #there are facets and caverns in myself i have only ever touched in storytelling but particularly in this campaign #and i've joked a lot about Lock and other chars in this game being self inserts #but i mean it in a good way #like the ways we tell stories or experience a world we created together is going to be through an extension of ourselves etc #but it's interesting to me to consider the limitations that brings yknow? we all live by such vastly different sets of rules and #understandings #and im writing out some stuff now and im like. yknow. #lock can never truly go home. i can never truly go home. none of us can ever truly go home #home as shifting impermanence home as transience etc #2017 levi is back apparently but hes always been right

[afniel]

Realizing that I went and wrote a bunch of intentionally aro relationships and my partner was like, "Idk, it seemed like normal relationships to me," and I was like, "I mean yeah it's not that different from ours, I guess, I was kind of going for 45° off from 'normal' romance," and they're like, "Okay, but ours is also pretty much like that," and I'm like, "Yeah, true," and now I'm like, damn hold up, are we both some kinda arospec and THIS is how we figure it out? Because I wrote a long-ass fic about intentionally queer-coded (among other things) robots? Life is weird, man.

Like I've been prone to extreme long-term crushes on a very few (mostly unattainable) people over the years, but I wouldn't have known what to do with them even if they worked out, and cough my ex was not even one of them. I just kind of assumed I was failing to feel a thing I was totally supposed to feel, there, and quite a lot of that relationship emotionally was me going, "Okay, I care like This, but I think I'm supposed to care like That? I'm pretty sure he cares That way. I'm not sure I do, but I mean, there's really only one way*, so maybe I'm just misreading this and actually I do care like That, I'm just bad at it."

*This was me being very incorrect, it turns out. There's all kinds of ways to love someone. It's a very inadequate and nonspecific word.

When I confessed my feelings (which I'd been sitting on for a year) to my partner, their reaction wasn't to be particularly romantic about it. In fact they told me they'd help me move to California if I wanted to. And after I got over my initial confusion of being kissed on the forehead (which is also not super romantic as a gesture and I couldn't decide how to even read that so I kinda skipped over even trying for a while), I was thinking, Awesome, that is a yes. They have promised to assist me with difficult stuff, and said nothing at all about emotions, because that's not a big deal anyway. The important thing is that I can rely on them and vice versa. Cool. We are basically together forever now. Which ended up being true. I just never moved out and now it's like 13 years later, go figure. But that's not what I think actually passes for reciprocating feelings for most people? Worked great for me though.

Anyway I feel like I have accidentally learned something about myself, lol. I guess romance is okay I guess, like it's not repulsive, but seriously, it's WAY more satisfying to me to guess someone else's Quiplash answer because you know they know you would think it's fucking funny, and you do, and because you think it's funny and you're well aware they know your type of humor and you know theirs and that you wouldn't expect them to use "cum" as an answer because that's not usually how they roll, so of course that is the only answer they can possibly give, which is instantly evident to both of you with no conversation whatsoever on the topic. When you got just one brain cell and it's quantum entangled with their just one brain cell so you have a lot of null discussions where nobody has to say anything but it's fully understood anyway, that's The Dream, if you ask me. And like I don't really think that's romantic by the usual definition. You can have that with friends and family, too. But that is what it turns out I prioritize in relationships, which I'm starting to feel like isn't what the majority of people are here for?

TFW it's hard to tell because I've been assuming I'm totally alloromantic so everything I experience must be typical totally alloromantic stuff too, but I'm starting to think it isn't maybe? But how do I even tell, this is like being colorblind, lmao.

#tfw you based a completely ace/aro relationship system off what ends up just being your normal IRL relationship #my partner read Failure To Compile and just went 'so we're coprocessors right' and I said 'yeah basically' #it was apparently not at all subtle to them and why would it be lmao they basically just Know What I'm Thinking #we have a lot of conversations that are just...*several facial expressions and a glance or two* them: 'no.' me: 'OH COME ON' #and yeah that's The Experience. 'what if an entire subculture's relationships were all like that' well it'd be great that's what #and also evidently immediately recognizable to a bunch of arospec readers #making me have to also question some long held assumptions about myself #well that's cool though. I'm always down to understand me better. and hey what a funny way to do it too #what's the point of writing something and trying to get kinda deep with it if you aren't learning from it really #this just means I'm so successful I even got myself somehow #flawless victory #aromantic #arospec #also yes the Quiplash thing happened for real just last night #I said their answer before it was even revealed and they just assumed I had somehow loaded the stream faster than them #because obviously I know what they put right? #I laughed my ass off tho

[apricote]

need any help?

#simblr #ts4 #ts4 gameplay #tjolc #tjol challenge #f: vickers #vickers: 1 #s: fennec #s: maru #q #at this point fen has learned enough toki sulani that he can communicate simply with maru #and maru has learned a bit tartosiano in school #so they speak kind of a mess of both? #but they can't really have any deep conversations or anything #so this is was just an excuse for fennec to spend some time with him lol #mix of both***

[the-kipsabian]

Going off your post (idk I sort of like conspiracies & theories). Here's my take::

So I semi remember a tweet after Stadium Stampede when the photo of OC bloodied and basically being carried out by Trent & Chuck was posted... Danhausen mentioned how he could take him (I may be remembering wrong)... What if when he comes back he takes the belt? Like every cursed item if it's returned it breaks the curse? Just a thought. I'd love to know your opinion or theory on this?

OH MANNNNNN

first of all, welcome to the theory crafting conspiracy zone youre so welcome to come here i love this shit so much even tho im probably wrong 9/10 times when i theorize about things but its so fun to do and one of my favorite ways to consume wrestling lol

second, i found this tweet?

which sets up some. interesting implications for sure. if i had seen this earlier tbh i would have assumed this was more in relation to the all out match with mox, seeing how oc was pushed to the very limit in there and "to pay times debt" could easily be taken as having an opponent that could finally beat him after oc has suffered for so long and was on the end of his rope mentally and physically finally; however as we stand right now, with ocs second reign starting, clearly in much darker tone than before, and danhausen teasing his return, this could mean anything

i do love the take of danhausen being the one thats able to lift the curse from the belt tho, as someone who originally cursed it, if he gets his hands on it. personally i would enjoy seeing oc run as champ again as long as possible tho, ssooo in my perfect little imagination this wouldnt mean that danhausen gets to be the champion, but he joins forced with oc, turning them both heel (as is a very clear implication here in both of their demeanors lbr) - oc remains unchanged because he knows what he is like now as a champion. what he has to do. the vicious side of him that he has to tap into to keep that belt

tbh maybe tagging with danhausen would make him even more wicked. i mean that man got oc to wear something out of ordinary during their tag match at revolution (BLACK DENIM MY BELOVED), who knows what kind of a hold he can have on oc when the mans already corrupted to hell and back and danhausen is ready to show a more wicked side of him upon return as well

#does this make sense? i dont know anymore my brain is very scrambled #i usually only deep dive on kip so this is kinda new territory to me but belt corruption is so near and dear to me i have lots of thougths #anyways. heres. something? i could probably add a lot more to this but at some point its gonna derail real bad to a conversation #yall are not ready to have trust me lmao #can i tag this am i allowed lol #orange cassidy #danhausen #wrestling #my beloved #sweet little clementine #wrestling musing #princessxpunk #thank you for asking! <3 #blood // #i also didnt factor hook into this yet cause thats one of the derails lol

[theokusgallery]

Since you have a lot of opinions about Sunflower fics, do you have any recommendations :p? I do generally agree with you about the derth of good works on them - kind of hoping for something I've maybe slept on.

Okay, I'll try,

First of all — I want everyone, and I mean everyone to read Coda for a Crestfallen Caitiff by MercuriallyApathetic, who also wrote The Strange Summer of Sunny Whatshisface (still one of my favorite longfics to this day but a lot more lighthearted). Coda is a masterpiece, it makes me insane, it is criminally underrated, I want to inhale its essence, and when I first read it it gave me a panic attack and a mental breakdown that lasted three straight days (/pos). Definitely read the tags and prepare yourself mentally but JESUS CHRIST I need everyone to read it. Please. You will regret it for a few hours but it is... an experience. To me at least. And to the two people I recommended it to who gave me feedback.

Then there's sunflower seeds in the rearview mirror by @andrewwtca which remains probably my favorite multichapter OMORI fic of all time (you might spot my essay-comments in the later chapters, I love this fic so much. I didn't end up writing one for the last chapter but man did it hit me hard). Very intriguing with a captivating style and an unreliable narrator mechanic that I am absolutely in love with. Everything by that author is excellent.

We have, of course, literally everything by BetweenDisorders. Arsenic is partly inspired by one of their fics ! (you know the one.) Their characterization of both Sunny and Basil (but especially Basil, because I'm gay) makes me froth at the mouth. Their style is very recognizable and honestly one of the best I've ever seen. But more generally, they have really original and intriguing ideas (like communication, in which Basil and Sunny are two computers... Did I mention how I'm a sucker for original/unique plots and premises enough yet) and everything they do is something you've never seen before. It's amazing.

Note to Self: Don't Be Gay in Faraway Town by witheredahlia is also very, very good. It's a lot lighter, but it still made my gay little heart ache, because I'm a sucker for misunderstandings done correctly (fight me).

Detective Sunny by Det_Sun is genuinely one of the most creative, fascinating OMORI fics I've seen, and also way too underrated. It's an excellent read, and there's a bunch of ideas in it that you know go deeper than what is shown, and it makes my brain go at the speed of lights. Many many thoughts about this one. (Side note: I fucking love it when there's unexplored ideas in fics. Makes my brain go brrr. Not everything has to be shown and when I see hints of "behind the scene" thoughts and character background that isn't discussed much but still implied, my brain becomes a feral animal. I don't know if that makes sense...)

#im recommending fics that can be morally be read by/recommended to everyone because i know my demographic #but i literally just went through my bookmarks and ooh'ed and ahh'ed at every other fic so i linked them lol. #i'm not linking 'the telltale of a recovering megalomaniac' by shootingstarlightt because im trying to link underrated things #but it's also very good. #there's also Drying on the Steps by DeepFriedBasil but i can't recommend it because i haven't finished reading it !! #but it's so intriguing and unique and you can spot me in the comments of the first few chapters trying to make sense of it all. #I didn't link Culinary Conversations for the same reason (I have yet to catch up on it unfortunately) but it's MAGICAL it's INCREDIBLE #I NEED MORE FICS THAT WRITE STRANGER LIKE THIS. PLEASE. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE #on the topic of characterization: Sunny & Mari Edition™ we also have Mari Doesn't Die At The End by CoreyWW #and The Very Best by nullmeh. both are very very good. #Deep Down We're Still The Same Kids by witheredahlia is also great from what I remember but I... don't remember much #there's some fics in my bookmarks i just... don't remember. oops. #...i hope this post isn't too long. i'm leaving some stuff in the tags because linking them in the post would've made it 3ft long #and also because when i give fic recs I feel like I have to arguments it and for some of those I don't really know what to say except Good #please read Coda for a Crestfallen Caitiff. please. #rant #omori #ask #ephemeralspirit-blog #fic recs #most if not all of these are sunflower btw ! i basically only read sunflower. #sorry to my fellow ze[...]ae lovers btw. i'd recommend them but. again. i know my demographic #arsenic #<- i tag every single mention of him for someone who had it blocked sorry

[cinna-bunnie]

it's always so funny to me when ppl are obsessed with history but have weak politics. like what why are you struggling with the statement “colonialism was bad”

#my friends bf .. idk if he's still hyperfixating on ww2 stuff but i kinda don't like him (⁠´⁠-⁠﹏⁠-⁠`⁠；⁠) lol #I'm gonna start telling all my girl friends with boyfriends that when we're hanging out we're gonna have a girl's night #omg like i was TRASHED having such a deep n beautiful heart to heart w my new friend before her bf joined us at some point #to like. idk talk about video games and hating the Beatles lol. which yeah i hate them too but hh.. #hanging out with a girl is a wonderful experience hanging out with her boyfriend feels like babysitting #we are literallyyy toning down the conversation we just had so baby can keep up 😭 tell him to go back upstairs lol

[anghraine]

One of the things that I enjoy about P&P in particular is the blank areas after a line of dialogue, or in the middle of a longer passage, or even a scene in which we aren't given much direction about how to take it. Sometimes we don't even get Elizabeth's reaction to mediate what's happening, so it basically forces the reader to interpret what's going on and make assumptions about how Elizabeth, Darcy, and the other characters are really feeling and acting.

On top of that, it's done smoothly enough that we often don't realize how much our sense of what happens in the novel has come from our own assumptions until a second or third read-through.

Additionally, these careful omissions can be very funny. For me, the absolute most comedic example of just not being told Elizabeth's reaction is Mrs Gardiner's breezy remark on Darcy:

“From what we have seen of him,” continued Mrs Gardiner, “I really should not have thought that he could have behaved in so cruel a way by anybody as he has done by poor Wickham. He has not an ill-natured look. On the contrary, there is something pleasing about his mouth when he speaks.”

We are told absolutely nothing about what Elizabeth thinks on this point, or about her aunt bringing it up. Mrs Gardiner moves onto discussing Mrs Reynolds's account and we then hear,

"Elizabeth here felt herself called on to say something in vindication of his behaviour to Wickham."

It's a change of topic, anyway :P

#my read: #mrs gardiner: he's not as pretty as wickham. well he is but he doesn't have the angelic vibe. still very attractive though. his mouth- #elizabeth (internally): aghghghhhhhhghghhhhhhhh #elizabeth (out loud): i um found out some things. about his—uh. morals. from people. who know things. #also i choose to believe that someday darcy hears about this conversation #anghraine babbles #austen blogging #deep blogging #elizabeth bennet #otp of otps #m gardiner

[satans-knitwear]

Me and the girlies having some weekend

#dogs are better than people #My and baby belle bout to have a super deep conversation. While big baby rosie watches some grass from a distance

[xlillilith]

gwen n miles are actually forced as hell ngl

#Like...y'all had knew each other for like 2 days #Had one conversation #And went your separate ways for a year and a half and are so sprung on each other...for what #There's actually like...no development for them romantically in a realistic way #Im not shown why would miles be hung up on some girl and consistently drawing her when he barely knows her #Or why gwen is suddenly pinning over miles despite only wanting to be friends now she's obsessed over him when she's obvs met and bonded #More with other ppl during her stay at ss vs only knowing miles for a day and having one long convo it makes no sense #I see nothing special and deep about their relationship other than they're the main male and female leads so let's throw them together #With the bare minimum 'development' because ppls standards are so low they'll suck it up anyways and claim it as 'best superhero romance' #Despite it being just as cliche boring and stereotypical as the other superhero romances they claim isn't as good like plz be ffr

[sunnibits]

Listen listen listen ok I’m just. Really into Fang/Izzy/Ivan as this kind of low-key kind of amusing thing where Ivan and Fang are just like, the only people who can handle Izzy when he’s being a little shit. Izzy is just a feral little dog frothing at the mouth and Fang and Ivan are his resigned caretakers.

Like, everyone else hates Izzy with a passion but Ivan and Fang don’t even seem to really hate Izzy that much tbh? They’re just kinda annoyed with him when he’s being a dick. So I feel like they would be the only two in the crew that are like ‘yeah he’s kinda annoying as fuck but he’s not that bad when you get used to him’ because they’ve just dealt with his shit for YEARS now.

They are the only ones who know how to calm this wet rabid cat of a man down, and damn if they don’t have it down to a science at this point. If he starts picking a fight at a bar or something, one of them can just sling him over like a sack of potatoes, hissing and cursing them out all the way back to the ship. But he doesn’t kill them as much as he threatens to. He calms down eventually.

One day he’s being especially rude and troublesome with the crew of the revenge and his two big boyfriends just give a heavy sigh like, ‘it’s fine, we can handle this’ and suddenly work some goddamn fucking MAGIC on Izzy that has him chilled out and actually snuggling in Fang’s lap??? in like five minutes flat - meanwhile the rest of the crew is like ‘what the actual FUCK just happened’.

#idk I’m just rambling. i really really like them and this is how I imagine their dynamic working #i feel like they are the only ones who would tolerate Izzy and also don’t require some super deep emotional conversations with him #in order to get them to a point of reasonable forgiveness #if anything Izzy has more reason to hate them then they have to hate him so #that’s one step up from Izzy’s usual relationships #izzy hands #ivan #fang #ofmd