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Jewblr, I’m feeling some things.
Okay, so I grew up as a messianic Jew, and I have abandoned the religion, and I’m looking into converting into Judaism, but I just feel conflicted.
My grandparents survived the Shoah, and when they immigrated here my grandmother converted, bringing my grandfather with her. She did it for a sense of comfort and protection,
I grew up inside the messianic church, but I had access to very traditional Jewish traditions thanks to my grandparents. (I.e my grandparents still used a scroll for the Torah, and praying in Hebrew, and much else.)
I was told growing up that I should be proud of my Jewish ethnicity, and that I shouldn’t abandoned it. But talking with other Jews who grew being negatively affected by messianism, it makes me what to abandoned that Judaism. I want to abandon it so that the messianic church can’t continue to harm the Jewish community.
I want to convert to Judaism, for a closer tie to my grandparents and to my ethnicity, but I’m finding it very hard to actually give up beliefs I grew up with,
So any help would be appreciated Jewblr,
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Here’s an interesting one-is this antisemitism? I think so. Let’s discuss:
First, the context. This comment was left on a post containing this meme, poking fun at the messianic “Jews” (they aren’t Jewish) and antisemitic Christians that appropriate Pesach.
Now. This person does make a few correct statements, and I’ll give them credit. They’re right that a lot of Christians and Christianity are antisemitic. But with that out of the way, let’s look at the myriad of ways they’re so very wrong:
I'm not going to pretend to know a lot about Passover
User admits that they are not qualified to be making judgements. As a Christian it isn't their place to tone police Jews anyways, but especially since they admit that they have no idea what they're talking about.
I would refrain from throwing all Christians under the bus
I'm sure they would. That isn't what is happening though, and framing it like this highlights their defensiveness- they aren't trying to have a productive conversation, they just don't like seeing Christianity being portrayed this way. Playing the victim, and not for the last time.
The Catholic church has largely been the main culprit here
Interestingly, there is a Catholic elsewhere in the thread blaming the Protestants. Typical Protestant vs. Catholic stuff, and this user is using it to attempt to distance themself from the "bad" Christians. Also, in my experience, almost every Christian "seder" I've seen or heard of has been held by a Protestant sect of some sort.
it's important to know that all the while the persecution was happening to jews by christians, there have been other christians speaking out against it.
More of the same, see above. "not all Christians!"
Please don't forget about the Christians who are willing to lay down their lives for the Jewish people.
Here's where the fetishization starts. Also, literally nobody asked you to do that, don't use us to feed your martyr complex. Also also, where exactly are these Christians, because they've been doing a shitty job.
Christians like myself are perfectly capable of seeing Yeshua in the Passover without changing it, or preaching to you up and down about it.
And this is where the explicit antisemitism starts, as opposed to the red flags we've been seeing. This person, based on their language, seems to be some sort of "Torah believing Christian"- something inherently appropriative and antisemitic.
Furthermore, YOU SHOULD NOT BE SEEING JESUS IN PASSOVER. That is, at best, idiotic, and at worst, actively antisemitic. It's certainly supercessionist. JEWISH TEXTS DO NOT PROPHESIZE JESUS. Christians should not be touching Pesach uninvited in ANY way, regardless of if they change things or not.
Yeshua didn't change it and neither should we
This person demonstrates an astounding level of ignorance. Any modern Seder would HAVE to be different than any Seder Jesus might have held (assuming he even existed), because it is impossible to do it like him. There is no temple to offer animal sacrifices at, like there would have been at the time. Regardless, not only should Christians not be changing seders, they shouldn't be touching it.
They then rant for a while about how Easter is bad. Which. My dude. That's your holiday. Go fuck around with that and leave Jews alone.
Please have patience and a soft heart for Christians who believe that:
More "not all Christians", this time with an added level of playing the victim. Hard pass.
-Jews don't need to be converted
Even stopped clocks are right twice a day.
-Christians have the holidays and events wrong
Uh? No? Is this some weird Christian intracommunity thing? Your holidays are your holidays, leave ours alone.
-the dietary laws were upheld by yeshua
Regardless of if this is true or not, Jesus was Jewish. This poster isn't. Kosher is for Jews. Christians aren't entitled to Jewish practice just because they worship a Jew.
-all of the torah was upheld by yeshua
see previous bullet point.
-the Jews are the chosen people of God
Typical Christian misunderstanding of "Chosen". "Chosen" to uphold the mitzvot, not to be better, or put on a pedestal. This is another example of how they fetishize Jews, and it does not get better.
-the Jews come first
See previous bullet point. Fetishization like this is disgusting and harmful. It removes humanity and personhood from Jews, instead presenting us as some mystical object of worship that we never claimed to be and can never live up to. We are not a zoo exhibit, we are a vibrant and living culture.
-salvation is of the Jews
See previous bullet point. We are people, not a tool for your salvation.
-the Jews have been entrusted with the words of Yah*weh
See previous bullet point. Also super disrespectful to just throw that name around in Jewish spaces, but I don't know what I expected from an antisemitic, philosemitic Jew fetishist.
-we should be suffering with the Jews, not against them
WE ARE NOT FUEL FOR YOUR MARTYR COMPLEX. Plenty of Jewish suffering would be alleviated if Christians like this person would just leave us alone. But they don't actually want Jewish suffering to stop, because then they'd lose a tool and a way to play victim.
they end with a plea not to lump all Christians together with the "bad" ones- something literally nobody was doing. Once again, it's a lot of "Not all Christians!!!" and their own self-victimhood. They say not all Christians are "like that", which is true. But this one certainly is.
Chag Pesach sameach everybody, and stay off the fuss bus.
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