#ml su-han

[nothingtherefornow]

Is it that bad if numerous people but not Chat noir know Ladybug's secret identity ? (with a little comparison to Insomniac Spider-man games)

Spoilers Warning from the recent MArvel Spider-man 2 game on PS5 :

I thought about the fact that at least 6 people are confirmed to know Ladybug's secret's identity at the end ofseason 5 : Alya, Luka, Felix, Kagami, Alix and Su-Han

And I wondered once why Marinette remains Ladybug while so many people know her secret identity, then I remembered that Spider-man aka Peter Parker also did his best to keep his secret identity from many people and all New Yorkers when he could, and only revealed it to those he trusted the most. And after seeing Marinette struggle many times because of her secret, it's reassuring to know that among her friends, 4 of them won't be affected nor damaged by her secret because they know the reasons behind her absences, delays and bogus excuses

To make another comparison with the Spider-man universe, in the recent Marvel Spider-man 2 game on PS5, with his family and most close friends being aware that he is the second Spider-man, Miles has a more solid and helpfull support system than what Peter had at the same age. While Peter kept his secret to himself for a long time before taking his girlfriend MJ into his confidence

But was unaware that his Aunt May of that universe also discovered that he was Spider-man at some point, and he only learned about it during her last moments

And he could not enjoy for long to have his secret also known by best friend Harry in the second game.

Because Harry fell into a coma shortly after

But many people close to Miles were made aware of his secret between the Marvel Spider-man game : Miles Morales and the Marvel Spider-man 2 on PS5. And at the end of the Marvel Spdier-man 2 video game, Miles has his mother Rio, his uncle Aaron, his best friend Ganke, and his near girlfriend Hayley aware that he is the second spider-man

And I could see how it made things easier and more bearable for Miles to not hide this secret from his most loved ones.

And I don't want to summerize how difficult and painfull it was for many versions of Peter Paker to hide the fact that they were Spider-man from their loved ones. But Marvel Spider-man 2 shows us that being able to share his responsibilities with a more than competent Miles, of whom Peter is the mentor, or even to be helped by MJ and Harry once in a while is a good thing for Peter, and really seems to lift him some weight from him

Peter being Miles mentor also adds another close friend and confidant for each other

So yeah I don't think it will be such a bother to have 6 people being aware of Ladybug's secret identity, because they all proved that they could resist akumatization or keep that secret well to themselves : Alya, Luka and Felix all resisted akumatization once, Su-han has a secret technique keeping him safe from akumatization as long as he can spot the akuma, and even though Kagami suspected Marinette of being Ladybug in Perfection and Protection, Monarch didn't manage to find this information in her mind when he akumatized her (also Kagami now has a miracle charm and those can stop and purify akuma and megakuma with positive emotions).

As for Alix, I can only hope that she'll know to be very carefull with the things she know and learnt from her time travels.

The most important thing is for the people aware of Ladybug's secret identity to be reliable with that secret, which is certainly not everyone (I'm thinking about you Nino).

And while Adrichat also knows how to keep a secret, and would definitly be trustfull and reliable with Ladybug's civilian identity (as he showed that he could in the Chat Blanc). The problem is that so far everytime Ladybug and Chat Noir had both been aware of each other secret identities, a catastrophe always ensued, and the Rabbit and Snake power were necessary to fix everything. Now since Gabriel is out of the picture, it would be logic to think that Lila/Chrysalis doesn't pose near the same threat on Adrien's psyche as Gabriel did in Chat Blanc and Ephemeral, and yet the fact that she's aware of a secret that Maribug will be forced by the scenario to keep from Chat Noir could make everything worse if Adrien also knew that both Marinette and Ladybug are the same.

As long as there's a risk for Chat Noir and Ladybug love between them as Marinette and Adrien to be exploited, it's still not safe for them to know about who is behind the mask of their partner.

And after almost being akumatized thrice, Marinette would not be able to trust herself with Chat noir's secret identity neither. Let's at least take solace into the fact that Marinette and Adrien are both aware that Luka knows Ladybug AND Chat Noir seret's identies, and thus could eventually request Luka's help to act as a bridge between them (not knowing how frustrating such a thing would be for poor Luka ^^')

Although ... given Lila's skills at manipulation (or rather at making everyone intelligence spectcularly drop), Alya would be the more at risk to reveal Ladybug's secret identity, if Lila isn't already aware of it that is (I sure hope that's not the case T_T)

But I'm also hoping that season 6 will manage to exploit well the fact that Kagami and Felix also know that Ladybug and Marinette are one and the same, because with what Lila/Cerise and soon to be Chrysalis probably has in store for Maribug, the ladybug heroin will definitly need reliable allies and friends on her side, especially somoene as intelligent and cunning as Felix. And while Kagami and Felix still need to prove themselves to me, there's a good potential for a future dynamic between them and Marinette. Or maybe my hopes are for naugths and Felix and Kagami will be side character without a good development T^T

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[familyagrestefanblog]

Theory on what Monarque did at the beginning of “Multiplication”

The beginning of “Multiplication” picks up shortly after the ending of “Evolution”, the only little time skip we get is that we come back to Ladybug and Chat Noir when they are already at the end of their catch-up-on-the-public-media step.

Meaning they are right at the same spot we left them at last episode, this checks out. Its only shortly after:

But what doesnt check out on the surface is that a couple of moments later we see Gabriel again. He on the other hand is NOT AT ALL where we left him off:

No joke, this moment came so out of the blue for me first time watching, I for some reason wrote this off as Gabriel having returned home from the Evolution battle via Wind Dragon. Even though that literally contradicts the ending of “Evolution”. This comes AFTER the endcard, nothing in how anything from the beginning plays out indicates we are making time jumps again to fill in blanks. Also the way Gabriel asserts himself as the Kwamis Master would make more sense AFTER they saw him on his knees and explode in front of Emilies coffin imo.

Anyway. This being AFTER the endcard means that right after Gabriel went off he switsched lairs and transformed again. And for what exactly? Well, in “Risk” we did get this visually amazing moment of ShadowMoth searching for a suitable prey HIMSELF, instead of reacting to a random strong and negative emotion given to him:

And notice how Gabriel can listen to the dialogue from these people. Thats what I think he did right after he went off at the end of “Evolution”: He’s spying on Ladybug and Chat Noir.

In “Risk” we saw him take own initiative but he still followed his usual plan: find a victim with negative emotions to akumatize them. But by nature of his Miraculous he doesnt NEED to look for negative emotions, thats just whats most useful to Gabriel so thats all he usually does (best example here would be Nathalie as Catalyst)

Following the “the only limits a Miraculous holder has are the ones they set themselves” revolution from s4 and combine that with Gabriel loosing it more and more through wearing 15 Miraculous, I would make the argument that Gabriel now could very much be capable of overstepping his previous power limits, despite his health, to such dangerous regards that he pushed himself to be able to spy on Ladybug and Chat Noir. It would also explain why Monarque is on one knee when we see him: He’s pushing himself again, but not anywhere close to what he did to himself in “Evolution”.

But for me the most important indicator is that Monarque here would be stopping right immendiately when SU-HAN arrives. And that actually makes alot of sense:

From s4 “Furious Fu” Gabriel knows that Su-Han is the Celestial Guardian of the Miraculous and that Su-Han is able to BLOCK an akuma through his training:

Su-Han IS a massive threat to Gabriel, even if s4 didnt bother acting like it.

Sooooooo, yeah, Gabriel immediately breaking the connection he uses to spy on Ladybug and Chat Noir the moment Su-Han enters the scene checks out for me. With the experienced Celestial Guardian around who is TRAINED to fight the Butterfly Miraculous on a more “spiritual” level (for the lack of a better term on my part) continuing to spy would simply be way too dangerous.

Also, it would be really sweet if that were the case. Because when Su-Han apologizes he also says that he, as the more experienced and stronger Guardian, should have had been on THEIR side and helped them instead of being another obstacle:

- and if Su-Han having entered the scene here REALLY was the factor that stopped Monarque from spying on them, then in this very scene where Su-Han apologizes for not having acted as their protective shield HE LITERALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN!

Thats so wonderful!

Cause Su-han, just like basically every other character in s4 tbh, was done incredibly dirty til now (and I’m not gonna comment further on the fact that they had the Celestial Guardian of the Miraculous fall to his knees and beg for Ladybugs forgivness, like in some Saltinette Fanfiction, to show that he’s on the good side now) but at least there might be a possibility now that Su-Han and his status as Celestial Guardian were allowed to already be of immense use to our two heros and merely through his presence.

Monarque backing away from spying on them, because he doesnt want to risk Su-Han feeling his presence and maybe using that as a uno-reverse-card, would be a great way of demonstrating how powerful and valuable Su-Han will now be as the heros ally.

#miraculous #miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #ml theory #ml multiplication #ml su-han #Su-Han Celestial Guardian of the Miraculous #I would love this #It would make so much sense #ml monarque #ml monarch #gabriel agreste #Miraculous of the Butterfly #Miraculous PLEASE let Su-Hans position have the significance he should have

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[piromina]

bECaUsE i hAVe A sEcrET

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[paranoiart]

I only included major characters I see a lot of hate for (not including Marinette and Adrien, because I feel like they have more fans than haters)

#miraculous #miraculous ladybug #ml fandom #felix fathom #chloe bourgeois #gabriel agreste #kim le chien #lila rossi #Ml poll #miraculous poll #Su Han

[theerurishipper]

I will say this: if Su-Han was The Supreme, it'd be so easy to beat him. All you'd need to do is have Adrien and Marinette go back to our world and get an Alliance ring and he'd be so befuddled by this swanky new modern contraption it that he'd just. Quit. Like, he'd get addicted to cat videos and give up on world domination just like that. Have Gabriel design him a pair of fancy shoes on top of that and he'd just jump away. Cause who needs world domination when you can have drip instead amirite.

#MLB #Miraculous Ladybug #Su Han #Su-Han #My meta #Miraculous World #ML Paris Special #Adrien Agreste #Chat Noir #Claw Noir #Marinette Dupain Cheng #Ladybug #Shadybug #Toxinelle #Griffe Noire

[thatskyafro]

Euphoria

#art #procreate #illustration #fanart #oc #shiyun su-han #miraculous ladybug #miraculous les aventures de ladybug et chat noir #miraculous #mlb fanart #ml fanworks #ml fanart #euphoria

[motherofplatypus]

At first, i didn't think much of it, until i remember that Fu is not the true guardian. It was Su Han, and he never gave ownership of the box to Fu. Which means, Fu cannot give ownership to Marinette.

"But Su Han was eaten by the sentimonster, so the ownership must've moved to Fu."

Two answers: 1) This is not some Lost And Found shenanigans where ownership can be changed by simply taking it. This is a box full of magical jewels, with magical training to handle it, with magical magic BS going on in every step they have. They even have memory deleter magic whenever the guardian is changing for protection. It is not that simple.

And 2) let's say that Fu indeed becomes the guardian because he's the only survivor, the rightful guardian is still Su Han, and he was revived after Feast, which means the ownership should be back to Su Han once more. That means, Fu should not be able to give ownership to Marinette.

This show doesn't have plot hole, they got a whole crater.

#“What is plot but something you can bend to your will?” - TA and the writers most likely #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb #miraculous salt #mlb salt #ml salt #ml writing critical #ml writing salt #ml writers salt #thomas astruc salt #thomas astruc #master fu #su han

[iwasbored777]

Su-Han: LADYBUG, WHY DIDN'T YOU PROTECT THE MIRACULOUS?!

Ladybug: Why didn't you?

Su-Han:

#He was watching cats on the Internet #I'm losing it #😭😭😭😭 #miraculous ladybug #Ml su han #Ml spoilers #Ml meme

[sophieabigail2021]

ML has a ton of wasted potentials but the one that frustrated me the most is Su Han's entire existence

They could have made him into Ladybug and Chat Noir's mentor figure and train Marinette into becoming a better guardian but NOPE he instead is such an unimportant and pointless addition to the show

#ml salt #ml writing salt #su han salt

[miraculousfanworks]

Fanfiction Prompt

Post Monarch defeat, all the Miraculous are recovered (except possibly the Peacock with Felix), the heroes daily grind switches from fighting Akumas to fighting rogue holders who begin to come out of the woodwork. After all, the core of the Guardian order was missing for over 170 years, and many of the Miraculous that weren't in the temple when the disaster happened have gone through multiple hands in the meantime. Su-han serves as a light mentor, compiling a list of the currently missing miraculouses. This is all well and good, until the day the Emperor Penguin Miraculous appears. Su-Han: Oh, oh no... This... This cannot BE! Ladybug: What? What's wrong, we defeated him and recovered the miraculous, what's wrong? Chat Noir: Yeah, what's the problem? Su-Han: You don't understand. There ISN'T an Emperor Penguin Miraculous! Chat Noir: Uh, Yeah there is, I'm holding it! Su-Han: Yes, but there WASN'T one before! The Magus never made one. I, I doubt he even knew about Penguins. Ladybug: So, what, someone made a new miraculous? Su-Han: I can think of no other possiblity. And that is VERY worrying. Because even WE don't know how to make Miraculouses. The Magus never taught any of his disciples the secret...

Prompt by Tiwaz

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[ultrakart]

Su Han: I need to know Chat Noir’s civilian identity.

Ladybug: He doesn’t have one.

Su Han: Excuse me?

Ladybug: Well, he’s a cat right? So he wouldn’t have a civilian life like I do.

Su Han:

Ladybug:

Su Han: …that… isn’t unprecedented, actually.

#ml #miraculous ladybug #ladybug #chat noir #su han

[nobodyfamousposts]

How do you think Master Su-Han trying to take the miracle box would go with all the dolls at Marinette's house for a sleep over

For him? Badly.

Su Han: Aha! The Miracle Box is left unguarded! I knew that child was ill fit for—

(Something hits him in the back of the head. He picks it up. It's a red and black polka-dotted ball.)

Su Han: (Turns around) What?!

(He turns around to see....little versions of the child heroes. As...child playthings?)

Su Han: What is this?!

Littlebug: (Observes the INTRUDER, preparing weapons in case of attack)

Chaton: (Frowns at the big meanie man, doesn't know who he is or why he's there but already doesn't like him)

Minimouse: (Holds up hands to Mister, asking for the ball back)

Su Han: Begone! (Kicks Minimouse away)

Minimouse: (Falls, looks up, looking sad)

Su Han: Do not get in my way! I am taking the Miracle Box and that is that!

(He turns to where the Box is only to find Minimouse sitting on top of it.)

Su Han: (Looks back down to floor where he had just kicked Minimouse)

Minimouse: (Looks up at him tearfully)

Su Han: (Looks back at Box and sees the Minimouse is also there)

Minimouse on top of Box: (Hiss)

(Hissing starts to fill the room as he realizes those two aren't the only Minimouse...Minimice.)

Minimice: (Start to appear, all hissing, all angry)

Su Han: Wait. WAIT!

Chaton: (Stares)

Littlebug: (Covers Chaton's eyes)

Minimice: (Converge on Su Han)

Su Han: (Girly scream)

(Fifteen minutes later)

Marinette: (Enters through trapdoor with cookies) Sorry it took me so long, the bakery was really busy. But I brought you guys some snacks! Have you been behaving?

(Marinette fully enters the room to find Su Han tied up and sitting at a little table where Minimouse, Littlebug, and Chaton are also seated at table set up for a tea party.)

Su Han: (Glaring at Marinette, though the effect is somewhat ruined by the bonnet he's wearing as well as the duct tape over his mouth) MMPH!

Marinette: (Stares flatly at Su Han) I see. (Sets the cookies on the table and speaks sweetly) Enjoy your tea party! (Leaves)

Dolls: (Wave at Marinette as she leaves)

Su Han: (Struggles more)

Minimouse: (Pouts at him for shaking the table as she's trying to drink tea)

Littlebug: (Reaches for a cattle prod)

Minimice hidden around the room: (HISSS)

Su Han: (Reluctantly stops)

Littlebug: (Sets the cattle prod aside....for now)

Chaton: (Munching on cookie, completely oblivious)

#dolls au #ml au #littlebug #minimouse #chaton noir #su han salt #marinette dupain cheng #marinette decides to let this one slide #dolls enjoy their tea party

[ladynoirist]

reunion seemed to reinforce the fact that marinette is going to lose her memories at some point, but the kwagatama holding records of her memories as a holder implies there will be a way out

#lisays #ml spoilers #ml season 5 #meta #im way more worried about the fact that they reiterated the whole giving up the miraculous thing though #i really REALLY don't want marinette and adrien to have to give up their miraculouses forever #then again they DID make a point of emphasizing that joan and her chaton had to give up THEIR miraculouses because #they were being used as pawns in a political game and giving it up was the only way out #while the main danger that prevents adrien and marinette from being together in peace is the one they have to vanquish anyway #and after evolution i don't think su han will forcibly take the miraculouses back #at least i hope not #he seemed to realize that marinette was doing the best she could with absolutely no guardian support system or training and still managed #QUITE well #so hopefully he and the rest of the order will just have ladynoir go through training or something #rather than taking the miraculouses away

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Do you think Su-Han was so against Marinette being a Guardian because she's a girl? I mean, he's been gone for probably around 173 years before being brought back after Feast was defeated. Not to mention of the Guardians we see, both in person and in flashbacks, they're all male.

Honestly, it’s hard to say.

Cause Su Han seemed to concede pretty quick on things, mostly pissed off about all the infractions against the rules. Plus he showed Marinette more respect than Fu. (Insulting Fu until the end).

It’s possible but I don’t think it’s a definitive.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml speculation #su han

[chronicallylatetotheparty]

The fact that Su Han has a technique that protects you from akumatization and he DIDN'T teach Adrien and Marinette really goes to show how incompetent he is...

And how easily the writers could still make the threat of akumatization a non-issue (but they're not gonna).

#ml #miraculous ladybug #ml recreation #su han #order of the guardians #most incompetent ancient organization I've seen in a while