#suicide baiting

[thebibliosphere]

Sometimes, I feel like I've exaggerated my mental illness and that I really don't need the amount of therapy I'm doing, and then I'll get a message telling me to kill myself, and a not-insignificant part of my brain goes "shit, you're right."

So then I just have to sit and breathe until my heartbeat climbs down out of my throat and the impulse passes. Because here's the thing.

There's genuinely a part of me that doesn't want to be here anymore.

I've struggled with suicidal ideation for decades. And I won't lie, it's tiring to keep fighting it. And someone telling me to do it feels like permission, and well, they wouldn't be saying that without good reason, right? They wouldn't say that if I didn't deserve it...

I mean, who would do that. What kind of evil person would tell someone to do that if they didn't -- except oh. No one deserves that, do they?

Anyway. Be careful what you say to people online. Some of us might just listen to you.

#suicide mention #suicide baiting #inbox is off for a bit

[vaspider]

Hey everybody, two quick things:

Do not send asks to the troll. Do not bother the troll. If I find out you're bothering the troll, the only person getting blocked is you.

And I can't believe I have to say this, but I have several times, for years, and I will say it again: anyone sending suibait to the troll gets instablocked if I find out. I've lived through the death by suicide of multiple friends and dealt with a family member's suicidal ideation for years. I have never nor will ever "send my followers" to bother people, and I explicitly am not okay with suicide threats or bait.

Now. Please show me pictures of your pets. :D Here's another picture of Davos.

#suicide baiting #cw: suicide mention #no more attention for the troll

[prokopetz]

Frankly, the secret to surviving having a widely read blog is cultivating the capacity to find it funny when people tell you to kill yourself. Like, really, my friend? You created a burner account on the world’s shittiest social media site because you didn’t even have the stones to nastygram me under your primary fake disposable identity, and that’s all you’ve got? The last one randomly accused me of being a Communist sleeper agent, which was at least entertainingly appalling. Step up your game!

#tumblr #blogging #social media #death mention #suicide mention #suicide baiting #swearing #i think the most perplexing one is the one that accused me of being a fake lesbian #which #i mean #as a cis dude i grant that i would in fact make an exceedingly poor lesbian #but

[nothorses]

(TW for suicide baiting and explicit transphobic hate speech)

The post below was in a few trans-related tags I follow, and folks have already started to respond to it in replies and reblogs.

Don't do this!

Report this post for hatespeech and/or suicide baiting, and don't engage. They're doing this entirely to get a reaction; there is nothing anyone can say to "win" the interaction, especially when the post and its notes are controlled by this person.

I also checked out their blog, and it looks like they spend all of their time on this app just hunting down trans people's posts & reblogging with openly transphobic suicide baiting. You should consider getting ahead of it and just blocking them now.

Post in question:

Report & block if you see it.

I strongly encourage you to block them pre-emptively either way.

#transphobia #hatespeech #suicide baiting

[orange-orchard-system]

Fakeclaiming is easy because it feels like activism. It feels like protection.

Spotting a "faker" feels like you're doing something. It feels like you're protecting yourself, your community, by pointing at someone and saying "look, I have identified the enemy". You get to feel good that you have done something to help, and you get to feel good to see one of your enemies torn apart by your allies. It's based on a simple reward system for community.

The thing is, though, is that this community isn't solid, and this reward system is flawed.

If a primary way of protecting oneself is spotting fakers, then you're always on-guard, always looking for the enemy in your allies. You'll look for patterns where there may not be any, because you want a leg up on spotting the next of them; you want formulas to rely on – one to decide if someone is faking, and one to decide if someone is not. You want to make the process of protection as simple and easy as possible. And in turn, the easier it gets to "identity a faker", the more often you get that rush of spotting one, that camaraderie of tearing them apart with the "real ones". You have made it easier to justify hurting others, because you have made it easier to win that reward system. And yet, at the same time, because you must remain on-guard, you stress yourself over whether someone fits the formula(s) you have crafted. If all your enemies are fakers pretending to be allies, then you must be ready to turn on any of your allies and tear them apart, too. You must rely on this second formula; these rules you have enforced to decide who is real and who is not. You must not ever think about the process beyond how you can better improve your formulas.

There is no repeal, once a claim has been filed. There is only dogpiling and tearing them apart, demanding they apologize, delete their blog, kill themselves for "faking". They are the enemy, this is what has been declared, and you can tell because they plug into the formula. You can tell because they did something we don't approve of. You can tell because we have declared it true, and you must always believe us and never listen to the person we have been tearing apart, because you wouldn't want to risk defending the enemy, would you? Because...

Conveniently, people who speak out about this reward system are often automatically considered fakers, too. Because their voices are seen as defense of the enemy you have already branded, so they must be enemies too, right? I must now be your enemy for telling you the flaws in this system; in this community. Because only enemies to a community say there's something wrong with that community, don't they? They can't possibly be members of the community who want it to be (even) better. They can't possibly be real members of your community who you have plugged into an arbitrary formula that doesn't even make sense most of the time. They can't be people who have thought about this for two seconds and decided, "Actually, tearing people apart doesn't sound like a very moral action."

Fakeclaiming is a flawed reward system that depends on the idea that the main enemies of any community will always be trying to pretend to be them. Will always be wolves in sheep's clothing. And that the way to help your community – the way to get that rush of justice against your enemy – is to never truly trust your allies; to be prepared to hurt them at a moment's notice; to create formulas based on confirmation bias and plug people into them if they do something against the rules you have decided upon.

I'm aware this is scathing. That's the point. Fakeclaiming doesn't serve any productive purpose; all it does is give the same rush that hitting a child gives a parent.

I am also aware this will likely be used to make me out to be a "faker". An enemy. Very well, go right ahead. Anyone who would decide criticism about the way they go about harassing and tearing apart their own supposed "allies" is an act of "the enemy" is not someone I wish to associate with, so please do reveal yourselves, so that I may block you and move on with my life that does not involve hurting people for the rush it would give me but does involve thinking critically about accusations.

Fakeclaiming doesn't even help the community the way it's supposed to. Drop your formulas. There are better ways to help your community, like accepting our variance and differences, offering advice born from personal experience, and advocating for more awareness and acceptance in your everyday life. Go leave a positive comment on someone's post. Go make a positivity post. Be there for people. I believe you can do better, and make this community better, in turn.

#front soup.txt #discourse mention #long post #had thoughts about this today #fakeclaiming #suicide baiting

[lord-angelfish]

since this has been brought up, I'd like it to be known that I am very firmly in favor of the principles of ship and let ship, kinktomato, don't like don't read, fiction does not equal reality, and all of the attached tenets of fandom! you will never be judged for liking something here, no matter what it is, and i will absolutely never, ever condone callouts, cancel culture, harrassment, death threats, abuse, suicide baiting, spam, and any of other harmful and stupid shit the fandom tends to do.

#i like talking at y'all #psa #the anticensorship is implied #suicide baiting #abuse mention #cancel culture #anti anti

[saphushia]

more coroika. i brain full ob squods

#goggles splatoon #rider splatoon #mask splatoon #aloha splatoon #splatoon #splatoon manga #coroika #mask working his disabled ass off for 7 hats a day #suicide baiting #suicide #art #octoling!goggles #inkling!hachi #hachi splatoon #i will call him hachi forever fuck you viz

[bugbuoyx]

There is no good justification for suicide-baiting.

Full stop. I was actively suicidal for most of my life and did attempt at one point which ended in my hospitalization and forced therapy, which apparently saying all that makes you an expert on it.

Suicide-baiting is harassment and an act of violence, I refuse to even call it bullying because it is much worse. I still remember the name and face of the kid who told me to kill myself when I was 15, I don't even remember most of my teachers names, even the ones I liked, because of long term depression caused memory problems. I'm 24.

If you are blaming it on a mental illness, stop. You are not only actively contributing to society's negative views on mentally ill folks as inherently violent (despite being more likely to face violence than enact it) you're also just a fucking asshole. "But it's a symptom!" Yeah and you know what I do when I lash out? I fucking apologize because there are no excuses.

"But it's fine if they're a nazi/fascist/pedophile/rapist/etc." your definition of an acceptable target will broaden and broaden to encompass any group you hate, you will make excuses until any target is acceptable. Lies will be spread without proof to justify your hatred. Any asexual, aromantic, and bisexual person, amongst many other groups, will tell you how there have always been accusations of them being heterosexual invaders/ not truely queer. How many times have we seen accusations of pedophilia against trans folks from both within and outside the community? How many folks claim aromantic folks are rapists? That gay trans men are predators? What lows are you stooping to to justify your hate right now?

All of this is is made worse by the prevalence of hatred in a community already prone to extremely high rates of depression and suicide.

"We don't want that filth in our state" - Oklahoma senator on Nex Benedict's death.

That is what you sound like. Do better.

#lgbtq #harassment #suicide baiting #transgender #transmasc #transfem #intracommunity discourse #transmisogyny

[thebibliosphere]

In hilarious news, someone on Twitter mistook me for being pro-censorship for documenting the antics of L/ucia F/ranco after her fans actively tried to ruin my career and run me off social media because they thought I was a small enough target, only to run into my Tumblr following like turning a corner and slamming into a shovel loony toons style.

Meanwhile, here on Tumblr, antis have never stopped telling me to kill myself on a daily basis for supporting and using Ao3 🙃🙃🙃

#please do not rewrite the authors name in any tags #I am censoring it to avoid her fans harassing me again #death mention #suicide baiting #oh twitter #please change #you fucking cesspit

[beyblaiddyd]

Image that’s been in my head. and totally serious follow up

#vincent nightray #gilbert nightray #art #pandora hearts #suicide cw #suicide baiting #like towards himself as a gag but still

[bumblebeerror]

I’m a normal amount of rage now so I can articulate myself I think

I understand a lot of online talk is hyperbole. I understand that not every single thing said on the internet is meant to be taken completely literally, the way my brain interprets it at first.

But. But.

The thing is that suicide bait and telling people to die and harassing others online has, historically, not only been incredibly harmful - I will have been on tumblr for a decade this coming spring. I have known people who, as far as anyone could tell, at the very least suddenly deactivated, and likely killed themselves because of a constant barrage of hatred and suicide bait for things like being aro or ace, being pan, being sexual abuse survivors and writing sexual assult fiction to cope and work through their trauma, the ‘reasons’ are endless at this point - it’s also just. Not an effective way to make fandom safer in any way, and the perpetrators of that behavior are never being hyperbolic.

It did not make tumblr safer when a group of people harassed me for misunderstanding the difference between Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder at the age of 16, nor when they continued for two full years to harass me because my first url contained the word “crazy” in refrence to myself. It didn’t make tumblr safer when they told me to kill myself. It didn’t make it safer when they told me they were happy my father died, because I was hurting and that’s what they wanted. It didn’t make tumblr safer when I felt so personally in danger that I had to send an ask containing the address and phone number of the person who started all of it, someone I knew In Real Life and Knew My Schedule, to them, just to get them to stop for fear I would contact their mother or call the police, because the harassment was that intense. And I was one of the lucky ones - someone who knew their harasser irl and could properly leverage a threat like that in exchange for finally being left alone after two full years of nonstop hell every time I opened the site.

And before it crosses anyones mind - yes, it is suicide bait to tell someone they should die. We aren’t playing this game. Just like when aphobes said it so fucking often that prominent ace bloggers actually did end up hurting themselves, and got mass reported for it and changed it to “piss your pants”, saying “you should die” is the same intent as “kill yourself”. Don’t fucking kid with me.

It doesn’t make fandom safer for minors to tell sexual assult survivors to die because they wrote fiction to work through their trauma.

It doesn’t make fandom safer for trans folk to tell trans fans of shitty authors to die.

It doesn’t make fandom safer for mentally ill or disabled folks to tell people to die.

What it does, is convince vulnerable people that they really are better off dead. What it does is convince people you barely know, who have friends and family and lovers, to kill themselves, on the basis of what fucking fandom they’re in. I cannot imagine a more fucking morally depraved reason to say that to anyone.

It helps no one to do this. It benefits nobody. It doesn’t make you a virtuous person, it doesn’t make you morally correct.

It makes you someone who, without the threat of irl consequences, would happily, eagerly, and with sick relish, make someone’s life hell because you don’t like that they like a certain media.

And regardless of what that media is, the very idea of that is absolutely disgustingly wrong.

Human rights don’t only extend to people you like. They extend to everyone. So should your goddamn morals.

#fandom wank #suicide baiting #suicide bait #harassment #fandom #heavy topics #I cannot believe in the year of our lord 2023 I have to explain why it’s wrong to tell someone to die. #I’m honestly fucking. speechless at the thought. it took so long to write this.

[narukorankofan]

No anonymous ask, no problems

How do you reduce flaming (especially suicide baiting) via ask to almost zero? Just disable anonymous ask, and it's mostly gone, because pretty much all people flaming via ask are spineless worms who are only capable of flaming from behind anonymity and/or a block.

#anonymous ask #anonymous asks #suicide baiting #flaming #cowards #spineless worms

[orange-orchard-system]

Got a hate ask on my other blog (funnier-as-a-system) today. I'm not gonna respond to it directly, but I'm gonna go over it fully just as an example of why I don't take anti-endos or sysmeds seriously and find them to be just bullying assholes who don't know what they're talking about. Apologies for the rare discourse post, but I felt it would be useful to have a personal example I can point to if I ever get any more asks than I already have about why I block anti-endos and sysmeds and don't want them on my blogs.

[ID: A screenshot of an anonymous ask, which reads: ""Systems" aren't real. Please stop being ableist against people with DID and our struggles. Pretending to be one of us while simultaneously mocking us makes you look like a piece of shit. Also, DID isn't fucking funny, you're just cruel and ableist. Go see a psychiatrist, get your personality disorders and Munchausens taken care of, and stop pretending to have DID when you don't. We don't need you, our community is better off without teenagers faking DID as a meme. To be honest, I wish you and literally everyone like you were more likely to kill yourself as someone with a real mental illness, because you don't deserve to be alive if this is what you're doing with your life. You're just a delusional bully and neo-nazi" ./ end ID]

Starting from the top, apparently anyone with DID who's ever described themselves as a system is faking now. Nevermind that it's been a term in psychology and the community for decades now! All systems are fake!

I have DID. I've said as much many times. Not that I think this person would consider this a counterargument, but I feel it deserves restating considering a fair amount of my posts are specifically about my DID and managing the symptoms of it.

If I want to find humor in my own disorder, I'm going to. I'm not going to resign myself to misery and self-hate just to please some randos on the Internet. I crawled my way out of the pit of self-hate and am not just gonna jump in there again just to avoid a couple asks and assholes. And I'd make a point here about systems that don't come from trauma or aren't disordered, but what's the point of that when they think literally all systems are fake?

Ohoho! Disableism towards other mental disorders! Isn't the irony sweet?

Not to toot my own horn, but I just love the lack of awareness when it comes to "we don't need you." No, I guess you don't need me... but you'll be going without the work I've done both online and offline to teach people about dissociation and plurality. Not to mention the terms I've coined that make people feel seen, the experiences I've talked about that make people feel less alone, the building of spaces to let others talk about their own problems and experiences, and the general promotion I've done of plural representation in media. No, you don't need me, but I've been doing work to assist the DID and wider plural communities for years now. And what have you been doing? Sending hate asks to people with DID for being too happy?

I'm an adult. I've mentioned before that I go to university and have a job. Seems like even online, I can't escape the assumption that I'm a teenager, smh. Also, I'm much more worried about the teenagers you might be sending this to than any kind of unquantifiable harm a couple teenagers faking DID could do, considering how clearly you wish to do harm with your words. Especially considering the next few sentences...

Oh, so we're just moving onto blatant suicide baiting and admitting you want systems to die. Got it. Totally not a bigot, right.

Wait... "Real mental illnesses"? Didn't you just accuse me of having several earlier? Or do personality disorders and Munchausen Syndrome not count? (Also, do they think being suicidal is a requirement to be mentally ill? They know not all disorders or presentations of disorders involve suicidality, right?)

Well, you got the delusional part right (which, side note, do you think it's impossible for people to have both DID and psychosis? Big yikes even if no, but that's what these asks always seem to imply), but I think this post might be the closest anyone can call "bullying", considering I'm not giving you an opportunity to respond as I tear down your argument. But maybe the definition of peer abuse changed to *checks notes* running a blog talking about plurality in a positive manner since I last checked.

These people do know what a Neo-Nazi is, right? They know what a Nazi is? Because it feels like people just use it as a stand-in for "general asshole" when it means a specific sort of ideology and bigotry. Ironic that they'd be so pissed about "mockery" and treating serious topics "as a meme", but then they go and misuse a term for a very dangerous kind of ideology and person.

Alright, I think I got that out of my system. Please be careful out there, guys! It feels like the number of hate asks I've seen people get has been going up. I'm in a stable enough place to make a demonstration out of this, but don't push yourself to have a snappy comeback or write essays responding to these assholes if you don't think you're up for it. Hell, I rarely write things like this myself, I just chose this ask to respond to because it was such a clear example of how hypocritical and foolish this particular brand of assholes is that I couldn't pass up the opportunity to break it down.

#syscourse #disableism #front soup.txt #suicide baiting

[floralcavern]

Applauds! Such a peaceful movement, guys!

#Fuck you #suicide baiting #report them #report this user

[crazycatsiren]

Not trying to be millennial on main, but since when did telling people to commit suicide become an appropriate response to anything. Because it's a vile thing to do, regardless of your feelings.

#suicide tw #suicide baiting #tumblr drama #social media