#yu ziyuan's a+ parenting

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

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#poorly drawn mdzs #mdzs #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #wei wuxian #jiang cheng #Almost axed this comic but then I remembered I cut the previous argument between them and I guess they can have this. #and by 'this' I mean their toxic arranged marriage verbal battles. #As I previously mentioned in a comic I have chosen to see them as mlm and wlw in an unfulfilled relationship. #The yearning is for companionship. I think they do care for each other it's just something deeply complicated. And bitter. #I truly feel for JC and WWX in this scene because while it's implied YZY really pushes the limit...it's apparent this isn't new. #And it's so petty! Anyone who lived through a parent pitting you against a sibling can tell you that this stuff messed them up #regardless of what side you were on (the golden one or the fuck up). #It doesn't matter what is said. It matters that it was said at all. That you can't shake the concept once it was spoken. #The Jiang household is so much more miserable the deeper you examine what's going on and how they cope with it. #Knowing that a parent does not like you is just awful. I wish everyone who's been through it all the best. You didn't deserve that. #Next update is back to the jokes! Remember jokes? It jingled merrily...How I miss the sound of those bells...

[wangxianficrecs]

To Speak Up by Vrishchika

🔒 To Speak Up

by Vrishchika (@vrishchikawrites)

M, 6k, Wangxian

Summary: To be silent is to be complicit. Kay's comments: I've re-read this story numerous times and it always goes so hard. Vrishchika decided to apply what we know of the novel canon Jiang family dynamics in a modern AU and suddenly, it feels much more icky than it already did in canon. Luckily, Wangxian are already established in this story and Wei Wuxian has the Lans and Wens looking out for him as well. Still, it's heart-breaking how willing he is to bear it. Excerpt: Wen Qing is tempted to push but she doesn't, she can't. She can't bear the thought of this kind boy, her little brother's best friend, dealing with his wounds alone. Because that’s what he’ll do if she shows too much worry. Wei Wuxian is ruthlessly practical and doesn’t like to be vulnerable. If he thinks he’s troubling her, he’ll find someone else to care for his wounds. Someone less competent. His back is littered with scars and Wen Qing wonders at the extent of his nerve damage. She prays there's nerve damage because the alternative is chronic pain from the extensive scarring. She aches to drag him to her hospital and get him examined thoroughly. Wei Wuxian is a strong, athletic man and if she hadn’t seen his scarring up-close, she would’ve never believed he had any. "You will eventually need to address these, Wuxian." She tosses the soiled cloth away and carefully applies an antibiotic ointment on the wounds, "I'm prescribing you painkillers and some antibiotics to help avoid infection. You will take them religiously." Wuxian huffs, "I always take medicine, Qing-jie."

pov alternating, pov outsider, modern setting, modern no powers, dysfunctional jiang family, jiang family dynamics, bad parents jiang fengmian and yu ziyuan, not jiang cheng friendly, hurt/comfort, established relationship, families of choice, child abuse, blood and injury, hurt wei wuxian, caring lan wangji, good uncle lan qiren, good sibling lan xichen, child neglect, no jiang cheng & wei wuxian reconciliation

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#Wangxian Fic Rec #The Untamed #Wangxian #MDZS #Kay's Rec #March 2024 #Mature #short fic <15k #To Speak Up #Vrishchika #pov alternating #pov outsider #modern setting #modern no powers #dysfunctional jiang family #jiang family dynamics #bad parents jiang fengmian and yu ziyuan #not jiang cheng friendly #hurt/comfort #established relationship #families of choice #hurt wei wuxian #caring lan wangji #good uncle lan qiren #good sibling lan xichen #no jiang cheng & wei wuxian reconciliation

[thisisallthehattersfault]

Wei Ying smiles like the sun.

When they were younger, Lan Wangji had felt scorched by it. It had seared into his bones and behind his retinas, ivory-bright and burning, and so, for fear of what would become of him if he looked too long, he had turned away.

Now the clouds have covered the sun, and it shines through so rarely that every glimpse of it is a treasure beyond reason or compare, and so -- even though he knows he should not -- Lan Wangji creeps forward on silent footsteps, peering a little closer, desperate in a wordless, formless, twisting way for even a glimpse, even a glimmer, even a tiny flash of that smile.

The bunny burrows deeper into Wei Ying's robes, and he grins, and it is like Lan Wangji is standing in the sun again after so many weeks of rain.

Then the wind shifts. Lan Wangji's robes, his ribbon, his hair suddenly lift and carry out far enough to catch the corner of Wei Ying's eye, and the clouds return so quickly Lan Wangji feels dizzy with it, feels sick. Wei Ying's back goes perfectly straight, and his face falls into an expression of cold neutrality. Lan Wangji has to clench his jaw to choke back a cry of despair.

His husband turns to face him without actually looking at him. Wei Ying solutes him with formality and grace. Greets him with "Hanguang-Jun."

The sun is gone again.

The sun is gone, and there is nothing Lan Wangji can do to bring it back -- not when he is the cloud that covers it. He should have turned away as soon as he saw Wei Ying in the field. He should not have intruded on this private moment of happiness, not when Wei Ying seems to experience happiness so rarely, now.

Lan Wangji returns the bow, greets his husband. Tells him "I am being sent on a night-hunt. I will depart this evening, and estimate it will take me three days to return."

Wei Ying does not ask to come along. His eyes do not light up in curiosity, he does not bounce on his knees and pester Lan Wangji for information about where he is going or what he is hunting. All Wei Ying does is incline his head and say "Alright."

Come with me, Lan Wangji wants to say, but he knows he hasn't the right. Wei Ying is likely relieved to have Lan Wangji out of his hair for a few days. Maybe, without Lan Wangji there to cast a shadow over him, Wei Ying will allow himself to smile.

I didn't mean to take it from you. I didn't know I could. I didn't realize how much power I had, how much I was hurting you. I would do anything to make you happy here. I wish I could figure out how.

Lan Wangji accepts the dismissal for what it is. He turns, and leaves, and hopes his husband will breathe easier with him gone. Maybe he should start taking more night hunts.

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He doesn't know how long Lan Zhan has been standing there, but it's definitely been long enough to see Wei Wuxian rolling around in the dirt with the rabbits like an idiot. He tries to correct his posture, schools his face. Maintain a proper seat. Do not smile for no reason. Excessive displays of emotion are prohibited. Act with decorum.

It isn't enough. By the time he has himself presentable, Lan Zhan is visibly grinding his teeth. Even from here, Wei Wuxian can see the way his jaw flexes when he clenches it. He's expecting to be scolded -- pets aren't allowed in Cloud Recesses, and this clearing technically isn't in the bounds of Cloud Recesses but no Lan has ever cared about technicality when it came to obeying their rules. (Or punishing people for not obeying their rules.)

Still, it isn't Lan Zhan's fault that Wei Wuxian is exactly as much of a terrible husband as Madam Yu always told him he would be, so he salutes exactly as is proper between married spouses and calls Lan Zhan by his title, as respectfully as he can.

Lan Zhan bows back, and doesn't immediately drag Wei Wuxian off to be punished. Huh.

Maybe... maybe he appreciates the attempt?

Wei Wuxian is trying. He's trying so fucking hard. Does Lan Zhan see that? Does he -- does that mean anything to him? Does it matter to him that Wei Wuxian is trying as hard as he can, even though he keeps fucking up?

"I am being sent on a night-hunt. I will depart this evening, and estimate it will take me three days to return."

Ah. He's just in a hurry, then. That makes more sense.

Wei Wuxian nods. Says "Alright," to show he understands. Lan Zhan will probably pass his punishment on to someone else, then, or he'll decide what to do about Wei Wuxian when he gets back.

The stupid, childish part of Wei Wuxian that refuses to fucking learn wants to say be safe or come back to me. Wants to take Lan Zhan's hand in his and kiss the backs of his knuckles as a goodbye. Wants to help him pack, and see him off at the gates. Wei Wuxian has accepted that he'll never step foot outside the Cloud Recesses again, so going with Lan Zhan isn't an option for him, but at least a proper goodbye, at least something --

He crushes that stupid, childish part of himself as ruthlessly as he can. He has bothered Lan Zhan more than enough. The poor man is literally trapped with him now, and Wei Wuxian still can't be a decent husband for him. Lan Zhan deserves a few days to himself.

He knots his hands in the skirt of his robes, and bites his tongue hard enough to hurt, and doesn't move, and doesn't speak, and doesn't lift his eyes from the fluffy back of the little white rabbit until his husband's footsteps have vanished down the path, and Wei Wuxian is alone again.

#MDZS #The Untamed #Lan Wangji #Wei Wuxian #Wangxian #Angst #there's no plot to this it's just pain #I'm thinking about misunderstandings and arranged marriage AUs #and Yu Ziyuan and Lan Qiren both being just Fantastic Parents you guys #absolutely A Plus Plus #and Wangxian in that awful mutual pining dynamic where they both #believe they're hurting the other just kind of by existing #and so they're trying to give the other what they think they want only to make it worse #because what they both really want is to love each other as loudly and openly as they can #but neither of them think they're allowed to do that #so they're keeping their words and their hands to themselves #I don't usually angst but this specific flavor is exactly what hurts me #and I'm having a craving rn

[bigquestionmark]

the way people treat ozai and ursa is so similar to how people treat jiang fengmian and yu ziyuan

#like one was a genuine abuser who emotionally and/or physically abused their kids #(IM NOT JUST TALKING ABT ZUKO AND WWX ALL THE KIDS WERE ABUSED!!!!!) #and one was a parent who made mistakes and was trying to parent well in a toxic situation #seeing people treat them as equally abusive annoys me so much #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #ursa alta #ozai alta #fire lord ozai #alta #avatar the last airbender #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #the grandmaster of demonic cultivation

[ssuibian]

But she is tho

#cool i mean #maybe not parent of the year but she is a badass #wang lingjiao on the other hand… #madame yu #yu ziyuan #cql bts

[morethanwonderful]

I feel like the MDZS fandom as a whole really does not talk enough about the existence of Jinzhu and Yinzhu

Like, Madame Yu has goons. Madame Yu has a pair of goons that follow her everywhere and have rhyming themed names. And we've all just accepted this without a single comment

#like don't get me wrong I *love* them #I'm so glad they exist #but they mainly feature in one of the most grimdark parts of MDZS #(the destruction of Lotus pier my beloved) #and they're. bit characters #I cannot get over the fact that they have matching themed names. like did their parents name them that?? #if you try to make it make sense in universe it gets so funny #I'm obsessed #jinzhu #yinzhu #jinzhu and yinzhu #yu ziyuan #madame yu #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #the grandmasterof demonic cultivation #mdzsposting #jokes

[sandumilfshou]

the more i rewatch cql the more i think that yu ziyuan is actually a good mother to jiang cheng and yanli. obviously her behaviour towards wwx is fuckin atrocious, but im not getting into that here. where jfm is too placid and unbothered, concerned about making waves (or rocking the boat to continue with pier-related puns), shes the one worried about their kids, their health, if jc is going to be okay sent to the wen indoctrination. shes the one who isnt afraid to say that jfm treats wwx more favourably than his own son, and jfm doesnt even deny that.

she comes across to me as a worried mother who is sick of the situation theyre all in, and shows her concern through angry remarks just like jiang cheng does with jin ling

#im not saying shes perfect #but in cql at least #i wouldnt say shes a terrible parent #jc and jyl know she loves them #can jc say the same about jfm? #yu ziyuan #cql meta

[fayraje]

I don’t even hate fics where jiang cheng is a good brother who really does love Wei wuxian. Well as long as they’re set before his death. I just hate most yunmeng bros reconciliation fics, cause they mostly focus on how Wei wuxian wronged jiang cheng. Jiang Cheng was the one who led an attack on him, after his sister gave his life to save him. Even before that, since he was there on the pledge in nightless city, he would’ve been involved in attacking the burial mounds anyways.

But no, Wei wuxian should have just left children, elders, woman and two people who risked their lives to save him against their own people, to be slaughtered. JC is the one who gave up on their promise first, not standing by him cause it was inconvenient. Because he was jealous of Wei wuxian’s abilities and how he was supposedly favored by his father. Because he was possesive and entitled, to the point that not being wwx’s no.1 priority was enough to cast him out. He asks for levels of loyalty that he doesn’t return, because I’m certain wwx is not his biggest priority.

so all the fics where wwx apologizes for leaving, chosing other people I, bringing trouble, etc just reads as victim blaming. Worse is when they bring the puppies thing into it. I have nothing against making jiang cheng a better person in fics, but it usually involves writing Wei wuxian in a worse light. Everyone has their own preferences, and this just isn’t mine

#Mdzs #canon jiang cheng #I can tolerate Draco in leather pants trope as long as they don’t ‘Ron the death eater’ characters I like #Usually it’s not that overt #which in someways is worse cause that means it’s not tagged. #Like good parent yu ziyuan involves making her grievances with Wei wuxian and jiang fengmian legit and reasonable. #As if she isn’t abusive and always finding something to be angry about and the bringer of her own misery #It’s tricky making a character better without making another worse. #Most people fail. You’re free to write whatever you want #but victim blaming is usually a turn off for me. Not matter how slight #in a meta context

[yinyangbuns]

The jiang sect destruction episodes always reawaken the need in me to scour the “jiang family bashing” tag on ao3

#i’m not anti-jiang #but sometimes i just need to see madam yu get her just desserts #she whipped him THIRTY EIGHT TIMES with zixuan #zidian* #give or take #and then jiang cheng STRANGLES him like one or two episodes later #makes me grrrr #anyways i don’t dislike the jiang all the time only when I have recently watched episode ten #mdzs #mxtx #danmei #wei wuxian #mo dao zu shi #wwx #jiang family #jiang family bashing #madam yu #madam yus a+ parenting #yu ziyuan #wei wuxian doesn’t deserve half the crap he gets from that family #and i UNDERSTAND that’s the point but it still makes my blood boil

[ultfreakme]

I know this is like not technically funny but Wei Wuxian and possibly a bunch of other Jiang sect disciples getting absolutely wrecked on alcohol when they're barely 16 is hilarious like I'm with the Lan sect on this one a teensy bit. First of all, why does the teenager have access to alcohol? Second, why does the teenager know about the best alcohol to buy? Third, why was no one but another 15-16 yr old boy stopping him?

#cangse sanren and wei changze putting vodka in wei wuxian's sippy cup: we're so good at parenting #jiang fengmian and yu ziyuan watching jiang cheng and wei wuxian get WASTED: yeah it builds character #it is a miracle anyone made it to like evn 30 in the jiang sect

[fic-ive-read]

Link To The Fic

#lan wangji #wei wuxian #lan wangji/wei wuxian #wangxian #jiang yanli #jin zixuan #jiang cheng #lan xichen #lan qiren #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #qingheng jun #time travel #time travel fix it #grief/mourning #loss of parent(s) #loss of parents #established relationship #jiang yanli/jin zixuan

[weepingrebelshark-reactivated]

Petition to equalise the way YZN and JFM are portrayed in the fandom/fic

#jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #I see more yzn apologia and jfm slander but I'm sure the opposite is around in other fandom circles #he's neglectful and plays favorites and other bad parenting! #she's physically and emotionally abusive and violently classist! #neither of them are good! #either portray both of them getting better or have both suck! #mdzs #the untamed #cql

[wangxianficrecs]

The Most Beautiful Man Alive (and his gremlin son) by meyari

The Most Beautiful Man Alive (and his gremlin son)

by meyari

T, 4k, Wangxian

Summary: There was never a time when Wei Wuxian wasn’t aware of it. The way people looked at him, even as a child, made it obvious. But there was a time when he didn’t realize just how much power the face he’d inherited from his father gave him. Once he knew, though, oh. Oh, things changed after that. Mojo's comments: Ahaha, this is precisely as delightful as you'd expect from the tin. (Even if it IS a bit dangerous to be so beautiful everyone wants to devour you.) The end cracked me up.

canon divergence, everybody lives/nobody dies, protective jiang yanli, protective jiang cheng, good parent jiang fengmian, protective yu ziyuan, crack treated seriously, beautiful wei wuxian, child wei wuxian, different first meeting

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#Wangxian Fic Rec #The Untamed #Wangxian #MDZS #Mojo's Rec #October 2023 #Had to use the donghua because a) no good WCZ pictures from CQL and b) I still remember how hot and bothered we were when we first saw him #Also! A rec from Mojo! #The Most Beautiful Man Alive (and his gremlin son) #meyari #Teen #short fic <15k #canon divergence #everybody lives/nobody dies #protective jiang yanli #protective jiang cheng #good parent jiang fengmian #protective yu ziyuan #crack treated seriously #beautiful wei wuxian #child wei wuxian #different first meeting

[enby-axels]

imo reducing the jiang clan dynamics to "wei wuxian was only a servant, never family" undermines the tragic reality that he was both. his position was a dubious, unclear thing, complicated by his debts and the jiangs' varying intentions.

jiang yanli had called him her brother and treated him like one in direct defiance of their class differences and her mother's words. jiang fengmian had seen wwx as a replacement for his parents, not a son, as evident in his passive refusal to defend wwx and his prioritization of his actual son's life. yu ziyuan had seen him as an arrogant servant transgressing class norms and threatening her son's position, and she had consequently scapegoated him at every turn. jiang cheng, the youngest, inherited all of their sentiments in one way or another.

the love was there, it was not enough. so mdzs concludes the jiang clan sub-plots by having jc let wwx leave. that's important. he chose to let to go of the yunmeng shuangjie promise, the oath of fealty. because wwx's position with the jiangs — a brother, yet also a servant, an outsider, never an equal, certainly never a son, bound by duty — made a mockery of love. i think that's more tragic than him being solely a servant and nothing more.

and not to make this lan wangji (actually, everything is always about lan wangji), but that's why it's so important that wwx found a home in him, in a relationship that has no need for debts like "thank you" and "sorry."

#mdzs #mdzs meta #my meta #wei wuxian #jiang yanli #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #jiang cheng #wangxian #relationship analysis

[whetstonefires]

Madam Yu is so much of a character in so little space, it's fantastic, and it's funny to me being also in the Scum Villain fandom because. She is very much set up on the same character framework as Shen Jiu. She's that same Kind Of A Guy.

But ofc her trauma foundation is in being a proud woman in a world that does not value womanhood, and without the social skills to get anyone to forgive her for it. So she's less violently fucked up than he is.

But like him, she's all twisted up around the sensation that her suffering is her own fault for being the wrong sort of person. Which is an unutterably fucking corrosive mindset.

And I really think that she doesn't in the least believe that her husband loved or had an affair with Cangse Sanren. She's humiliated that other people believe it, and furious that he's encouraged them to, but she doesn't think it's true.

What she thinks is that Jiang Fengmian liked Cangse Sanren. As a person.

And of course, he doesn't like her. Because who could? Yu Ziyuan is not the sort of person people like.

And then Jiang Cheng, her son who takes after her, is basically just an extension of herself. So obviously, his father doesn't like him, either.

And she says this. Out loud, in front of him. While having honestly a really embarrassing meltdown.

I'm sure one of the things driving it is worry, because as she'd just acknowledged even though she's now blaming her husband about it they have to send either Jiang Cheng or Jiang Yanli into the hands of the Wen or face reprisals, which she doesn't want to face either, and obviously Jiang Yanli would be toast.

But if your response to worrying about your kid is to make fun of him, yell at him, shame him, and shout that his father doesn't love him in a weird tantrum before storming out and going to your room where he isn't allowed, you are failing as a parent on such a fantastic variety of levels idk where to start.

#hoc est meum #yu ziyuan #very much a person defined by her insecurities #and we really need to embrace that more #she's strong and she's proud but she's also undisciplined and cruel and kind of pathetic #and utterly incapable of expressing emotion in a healthy way #mdzs

[poorlittleyaoyao]

One detail that I find endlessly fascinating is the contrast between how Madame Jin and Qin Su are treated by their respective husbands--not in their personal lives, but politically.

When everyone gathers for the Phoenix Mountain Hunt, Jin Guangshan enters at the head of the procession. Madame Jin follows several paces behind, next to Jiang Yanli.

When they sit to watch the archery competition, Madame Jin sits off to the side next to Jiang Yanli.

Granted, any reasonable person would rather sit by Jiang Yanli than Jin Guangshan if given the option, and we know that the Jin parents don't like each other overmuch. However, this pattern continues when everyone adjourns to the conference hall for food and discussion.

That throne is the size of a park bench and here's Jin Guangshan, taking up the entire thing like he's the biggest douche on public transit. Madame Jin, meanwhile, is nowhere to be found.

By contrast, the first time we see Qin Su, she's entering the conference hall arm-in-arm with Jin Guangyao.

And then they both go and sit on the throne beside each other, and both greet the conference attendees.

We don't see any other married sect leaders holding court like this, so I don't think we have an in-universe baseline for Normal Political Couple Behavior. What's going on? It's either:

1.) Jin Guangyao is breaking with tradition by having his wife preside over formal events alongside him. (Which is unusual if so! After all, the Qin clan isn't especially high-ranking, so it's not like he'd need to confer special privileges to maintain favor. Is he doing it out of guilt, because he's convinced himself that power is worth enduring messed-up personal situations, so this is an attempt to make it up to her? Is it simply that he values her judgment and is gonna be BRAZEN about it out of spite because fuck all that "eDucaTeD wOmEn aRE tRoUbLe" shit? Both? Something else?)

2.) Wives of sect leaders traditionally do preside over events alongside their husbands like Qin Su is, and Jin Guangshan is the one who broke with tradition by shutting his wife out of everything. (Which, if so, would add some new aspects to Madame Jin's hostility towards Jin Guangyao. Her husband blatantly has no respect for her, unashamedly has a reputation as the jianghu's preeminent womanizer, and blames her for his behavior so she's the butt of every sexist joke that isn't about Yu Ziyuan. And now his common-born bastard gets to have more voice and presence in sect politics than she does? Are you for real right now?)

Either way, I am intrigued!

#PLOT TWIST: all of these things are true at the same time #jin guangyao #qin su