#also kinda harmione

[thecustomcosplayed]

Ron, thinking Harry put his name in the Goblet: I've connected the two dots. Hermione, knowing it wasn’t Harry: You didn't connect shit. Ron: I've connected them.

#kinda ronmione #also kinda harmione #ron weasley #hermione granger #harry potter #hp #incorrect quotes #incorrect hp quotes #incorrect harry potter quotes

[lloydfrontera]

For the meme, christen x rakiel!!

god i'm gonna get doxxed for this but listen! listEN!

right now? no, never, christan is a baby, he's barely seventeen, he's been isolated from everyone for years and rakiel is his physician. it would be an actual crime for anything to happen between them lol

BUT, and hear me out, i do think christan has a big crush on rakiel. i think rakiel swung a little too hard when giving christan suspension bridge effect in order to get him to agree to the treatment and now he has a little prince experiencing the craziest first love in the continent for him.

do i think it will develop further than that? not really. i think christan will have a big crush on rakiel for a very long time, but it will mostly be a childish kind of love, something that makes you happy to feel but doesn't really have bases to mature into something stronger.

he'll probably feel kinda embarrassed about it once he grows up and realizes how painfully young he probably looked to rakiel when they first met, but it's not a painful shame, just an awkward thing that happened and now you can look at it and laugh about it because yeah it was sorta funny actually.

i think in the future, once they're both older and he's more mature, he would probably even tell rakiel about it, just a casual "hey hyung did you know i had the biggest crush on you when we met?", because he thinks it's a little funny and he thinks rakiel would also get a laugh about it.

and yeah rakiel would tease him about it, ask him if his insistence on walking around naked was really about the freedom or if he was making a move and it would be that. just a funny anecdote, an inside joke for the two of them only.

as for why i marked "friends with benefits",,, it's because i do think christan 'this walking around naked thing is really cool actually' harmion would be the kind of guy to tell his friend "hey hyung can we fuck once? wanna cross that out of my bucket list <3" without any shame whatsoever lmaooo. and while i'm not sure rakiel would agree, i do think it would be very funny if he did jashdkja

send me a ship!

#hey i got an ask #christan harmion #m1sosazai #rakiel magentano #ask games #crown prince sells medicine #cpsm

[niconeekokneecaps]

Does anyone else have that ship that they really like but have those other smaller, rare-pair kinda ships that they just like to indulge in everyone once in a while? Even though, I’m not normally that involved with the shipping side of the fandom.

Like, I love Ronmione. I adore it. But I also like a bit of Ginmione or Fremione from time to time.

And the same with Hinny. I like Hinny a lot. But I also like Linny, Firebolt (George/Harry - mostly a crack ship), Ginmione (as mentioned above) and a bit of Ronarry.

I love so many ships (both homo and hetero) that are just wonderful (and not toxic unless you just do a 180 on one of the character’s personalities.

Also, I make this post cause I’m scrolling through different anti tags (for Harry Potter ships) and people that defend certain toxic ships (Dramione, Snily, Drarry, any illegal ship, etc.) but will insist that their ship - mostly made of fanon content - is superior to the other.

For example, Harmione vs Dramione. I don’t like Harmione, they’re more like siblings to me personally, but Dramione is literally oppressed x oppressor.

Sorry for a mini rant but I can’t be the only one who thinks this.

#harry potter #anti drarry #anti dramione

[fanficsimp7]

Okay so i thought it would be fitting if the first fanfics i include in my “personal archive” would be the very FIRST fanfics i ever read. these are the ones that got me into fanfiction and just fandoms in general and man seeing them again brought back MEMORIES. i kinda cringe when i think back to those times tho. i was much younger and dear god- fanfiction.net?? don’t know her i only know AO3 now lol. and my taste in ships is wayyy different now (it’s much gayer now 💀) like seriously, my younger self was so into straight fics 😰😅 i’m not rlly into that anymore but i can look back fondly on all the memories...

anyways here are the fics:

this was literally the first fanfic i ever read. honestly when i searched this up to link it here, it brought back so many memories... time flies by so fast damn 😢 anyways, strangely enough the first ship i ever shipped was Hermione and Cedric from Harry Potter which is, um, clearly not that popular of a ship... 😅 i also shipped Fremione so hard back then but i don’t remember any titles from any of the fics i read way back then so i won’t be linking any fremione fics.

and this was literally the second fanfic i ever read... clearly i’ve kept tabs on things 💀💀 i also shipped Dramione hard when i first got into Harry Potter, but that was after the Cedmione phase. lol i’ve had some phases with HP... first Cedmione, then Fremione, then Dramione, then Harmione and thennnn... all the gay shit lmao. at least i never shipped fcking ronmione ugh (don’t come at me but i’ve always hated that ship 😭) ALSO very random but i used to ship Hermione with so many characters and honestly just had an obsession with her back then... lately i been thinking about it and now i always wonder if i had a crush on Hermione that entire time. like?? i consider myself straight but honestly that “obsession” i had with Hermione wasn’t normal 😭 idek 😭

and then there’s this one... which i never finished reading 💀😭 but i thought it was worth mentioning since it was also one of the first i ever read and i did enjoy it back then

tldr: i was one cringey kid who used to love straight romance and was not yet aware of the wonderful ✨omegaverse✨

#fanfic #harry potter #dramione #cedmione

[vivithefolle]

In which Hp book do you like romione,ronarry,ronnev and Runa the most and why?

Romione: Aaargh it's... bleh it's hard to say, because their development is so chaotic once we hit the dreaded 4th book threshold. In OOTP Hermione is weirdly mean to Ron at times, let's not even mention HBP... Hmm. I don't know. I can't say PoA because it has Hermione refusing to consider Ron's feelings, and yes yes she's young and everything but wow what an asshole... eeeh. I can't say there's one book in which I like Romione "the most" because it's not like it's... just once, you know? It's spread across the entire series. I definitely like it the least in HBP, but I wouldn't be able to pinpoint a book in which I like it better. It's just... you need the whole experience, yknow?

Ronarry: Kinda same as for Romione, though GOF is a great place for all the delicious pining and angst and REUNITED AND IT FEELS SO GOOD feels. Yeah, if there's a Bible of Ronarry it's definitely GOF. :D

Ronnev: There's unfortunately not many scenes with only Ron and Neville in the series - because we're stuck to Harry's POV - and so unfortunately that leaves us with very little in terms of Ronnev feels... :(

Runa: I feel OOTP is the book for them. Luna seems very intent on remarking Ron at every turn while Ron isn't sure if she's being nice or mocking him (she's being nice son, believe in yourself! ;_; ). HBP fucks everything up with Rowling forcing Luna to defend poor precious princess Hermione's abusive ass, and in DH Luna is missing for like three quarters of the plot, great, thanks.

I don't think there's really "specific" books in which I like the pairings better - now if you ask me about fanfics in which I like how the pairings are handled, yeah, there are some, mostly the Romione fics which treat Ron and Hermione as equals, Ronarry fics that acknowledge that Ron also carries baggage from the war instead of making it All About Harry all over again, Ronnev fics that aren't about "sweet flower child Neville uwu", and Runa fics that actually get Luna right - ah and Runa fics that aren't Harmione fics, too, that's always a bonus.

I... hope this answered your question somewhat? ^^'

#vivi answers #ask #ron x harry #ron x hermione #ron x neville #ron x luna #ron weasley #harry potter #hermione granger #shipping #neville longbottom #luna lovegood

[romqnticstylez]

I don't understand why people ship Ronarry! I mean look they are BROTHERS!! The ship is almost an incest. Not to mention the fact that u ship James x Sirius! The ships ARE.INCEST!! They are best friends/brothers! Then why the fuck do u ship em!

who said they're like brothers 🤨 for james and sirius, mcgonagall thought they were like brothers. for ron and harry, that's what fandom says. i want you to show me where exactly ron/harry or james/sirius said they think of each other as brothers rn thank you

anyways- a lot of ships can be taken as "they're like siblings."

harmione, wolfstar, romione. those are some popular ones, but is anyone stopping people from shipping them because their bond can be seen as familial? nope.

i ship them because i like their relationship, i think they'd be compatible and i love all four characters. go rant about this to someone who doesn't like ronarry and starbucks <3

also @vegathebrighteststar kinda made me ship it even more but that's not the point

#lovely anon #not rly fuck you #at least u arent rude #maybe #kinda #ig #yes #prongsfoot #ronarry #rarry #starbucks #ron weasley #harry potter #james potter #sirius black #why r u saying that like they're related by blood lmao

[sarahsversi0n]

Reacting to some HP Ships

Hinny: I love it. So pure. Awesome

Romione: I love it. Friends to Lovers smut here i come

Drarry: Um i used to ship but its hella toxic

Dramione: Hi guys, welcome back to ships I hate more than life

Dron: N-O-P-E

Harmione: No. They were friends. FRIENDS.

Rarry: Kinda ship ngl

Nuna: I mean...i ship it a bit so0000

Linny: YES EVERYONE BOW DOWN TO THEM

Deamus: It's canon and jk is to much of a dope to see it

Wolfstar: same as deamus

Snagrid: thats gonna need a big bed also no just no

Snily: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Snarry: nope throw in in the trash

Snarmione: mom mom im scared

Sron: peace guys im leaving social media

Snape x anyone: he deserved to die alone

Fremione: help me im in lurveeeee with my brothers best friend kinda weird

Herminny: Not against in but there my brotp

Luna x Theo: remember when theo and luna talked to each other? i don't either

Druna: ITS THE STORY OF TO PALE BLONDIESSSSSSSS really weird

lunarry/huna: Okay. Like it.

Hermione x Luna: Sure its alright

Runa: This one doesn't feel right

Chomione: I saw some really cute fan art for this. I want more but its okay

Cho x Ginny: Kissing while fighting over harry

Bellamort: WASNT THERE LIKE A WHOLE PART OF A HBP WHERE ITS EXPLAINS THAT VOLDEMORT CAN'T FEEL LOVE!!!!!!

Pansmione: Gender-flipped drarry, nice fan art tho

Blon: rip off drarry wtf

Percy x Oliver: YESS! Needs more fanfic and fan art

Flintwood: Nope nope NOPE

Dransy: Its okay i guess i mean kinda just a brotp

Albus x Minerva: there is like an 100 year difference between them

Ron x Ginny: sweet home alabama

Bill x Charlie: first of all, sweet home alabama. second of all, charlies dragon sexual

Fred x George: WTF WTF WTF sweet home alabama sweet home alabama

Lavender x Parvati: yes yes yes please but parvati's mine thou lavender srry

Minmione: wtf

Lunansy: WHAT NOPE NOPE NOPE

Ginsy: nope nope im goooooooood

Ginetrix: Haha. oh wait. you were serious. oh no

Ginadora: NOPe

Fleurmione: not to shabby

Fleurdora: such a boss aesthetic for this omg

Doramione: i dont like this one

Cissamione: no

Bellamione: NOOOOPE

Pottermort: DO you feel me, tom? do you feel me inside of you?

Starbucks: brotp

Snupin: so yeah welcome to my blog, todays ep. is called telling everyone my husbands' a werewolf!!

Pansy x Ron: nOoOoOoOoOOooooo

Hedwig x Pig: OMFG YESSSSSSSSSSS

#harry potter #harry potter ships #hinny #romione #rarry #nuna #linny #deamus #wolfstar #huna #lunarry #hermione x luna #ron x luna #chomione #cho x ginny #percy x oliver #lavender x parvati #fleurmione #fleurdora

[acciotaylorswift]

my opinions on every harry potter ship i can think of (lightning era)

romione - literally my OTP, my comfort ship, i do not care what anyone else thinks of it, its amazing, fun fact: a romione fic was the first i ever read. 11/10

hinny - def a little rushed but i see them as like a “yes” kinda couple (if that makes sense) 9/10

drarry - EHHHHHHHHHHH it’d probably ship it id if draco could get everything sorted out cause he’s PROBLEMATIC 3/10 

pansmione - did they ever have one line of dialogue?  maybe they had ONE but just no. -10/10

dramione - so one of my best friends ship this but just no, the farthest i can go with it is draco had a  crush on hermione. i do not like this ship, and if you ship this i probably dont like you. -792561029847/10

blairon - im 99% sure they didnt have one line of dialogue. also i see ron as like the straightest one in the friend group (considering no one else ( shown ) in the books got the veela effect as much as he did 1/10

harmione - if you ship this either you didnt read the books, think ron is a bad person, or have this weird mentality of harry was a better friend. -4/10

fremione - *deep inhale* i dont get it but honestly ok, its better then a lot of ships with hermione in it. 4/10

drinny - i’ve lost my faith in humanity, NO. -1102847176/10

druna - almost 100% positive they're cousins, NO. NO. -1234567865432/10

deamus - they fuking belong with eachother.  10/10

linny - thats like so wholesome of a ship and if u ship it you have great taste. 9/10

pavender - again, they belong with eachother.123456/10

ginmione - we need more of these shippers, ALSO I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE  AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EACHOTHER AND THATS ACTUALLY CANON SO YOU CAN’T ARGUE WITH IT 10/10

ronarry - i think its a pretty good gay ship, as i said earlier, i feel like Ron is the straightest in the friend group, but, okay, not too bad. 8/10

flintwood - why tho? like i get why.. but why tho? 5/10 im not cruel, i just dont get it.

perciver - ok why not i dont see why not. 8/10

georgalina - the epitome of laziness, like jkr couldnt just make another character?? 4/10 (actually i just thought about it, were fred and angie ever actually dating?? cause i mean, in the sixth book dont fred and george go to town to impress girls?? idk man..)

#rating ships #Harry Potter #im too lazy to put more tags #fandom #pavender #ginmione #linny #drinny #anti harmione

[chaztalk]

Anti: I bet that the movies played a huge influence for you to decide to ship Harmione, huh?

Me: To be honest, yes.

Anti: Aha! I knew i-

Me: Wait, I’m not finished. At first, yes. Last year when I was watching the movies, I did like Harry’s and Hermione’s friendship in the movies. And I became obsessed with the tent dance as well as the song in that scene. After I watched the movies, I searched on YouTube videos about Harry and Hermione as well as the tent dance itself because I wanted to see the comments to see if people agree with me. Now, in this kind of videos you’d find 3 different comments: (1) the ones who like it for what could’ve been, (2) the ones who like it because it’s a cute moment between friends, (3) and the comments that didn’t like it, saying a variation of “it’s not in the books”, “it’s OOC”, “waste of time”, and the “how dare they have fun without Ron” comments. Watching the pro-Harmony analyses, (there aren’t many sadly) there will always be comments on there that will say “the relationship made more sense in the books”. So, I made it a challenge to read the books to see if they were right. After reading the series, I was like “that’s it”? Now, I know the HP series is not known/famous for the romance. But these were preplanned pairings from the beginning of the series, and we didn’t even see how they interact in a specific date. See, that’s my problem why I don’t like the canon pairings. When they become a couple, we don’t see how they interact with each other. Now, on Harmione, their relationship is a bit different than it was in the movies, but not by much in my opinion. It’s different basically because pretty much all of their canon book scenes don’t appear in the movies. At all. The only scene of them that feels true to the books is the OOTP hug at Grimmauld Place. After reading the books, I do like Harmione in the books. But their relationship can only go so far since Romione is the writer’s endgame pairing. But in a world where personal

Wish fulfillment does not apply, I believe that, naturally, Harry and Hermione eventually get together. With all this said, I kinda dislike the movies because they barely show any canonical Harmione scenes in them; I’ll always like them as a separate entity from the books. As for the tent dance, I’m not much of a fan of it anymore. I like it for reason #2 as I mentioned earlier. It’s nothing more than just two friends dancing. I’d happily trade it out with a canonical Harmione scene too. So, here we are now. You asked me a question: did the movies play a major role in your decision in being a Harmione shipper? As I recall, I said “To be honest, yes.” To be honest, yes, but also no. I said yes because the movies technically got me into the fandom, the HP fandom that is. You know who got me into the Harmione fandom? And here’s the kicker… you guys! The YouTube comments saying that the relationships are more well-built than in the movies gave me the courage to read the books, which just made my love for Harmione stronger. I would like to thank you guys for this. Can I-?

Anti: Blocked

#harry potter #hermione granger #harmione #harmony #harry and hermione #harry x hermione #harry/hermione

[stars-a-n-d-scars]

Who are your favorite characters from the Harry Potter? Do you have any favorite ships?

Okay so:

Marauders Era: Characters

Remus Lupin

I mean obviously. How could you not love him. I just... he's perfect. There are so many different ways people interpret his character, and the way his backstory is just so fucking tragic, yet he remains a good person throughout it all is just *chef's kiss*

Sirius Black

My bretheren. I relate to him so hard. Having troubles with family, not fitting in, feeling like you have enormous expectations to love up to, putting on a facade of confidence while actually being extremely insecure, I just love him so much.

Marlene McKinnon

My lesbian QUEEN. I think she and Sirius balanced eachother so well, and I adore the idea of her also being a slightly ignorant pure-blood who learned to be better through her friends (and girlfriend, Dorcas).

Regulus Black

There is so much that goes unexplored in Reggie's character. I love seeing the different directions that different people go in with him.

Marauders Era: Ships

Wolfstar

My home. My life. My soul. I adore this ship, there are no words.

Jily

I feel like Jily is that token hetero couple that we all love so much. There are so many different takes on the ship, but all-in-all I just love them.

Dorlene

Not much of the fandom actually centres around dorlene, they're more of a peripheral ship, but I love them all the same.

Golden-Trio Era: Characters

Luna Lovegood

Love her. I hc Luna as an Autistic person, and she was such a comfort character growing up, showing me it was okay to be a bit different and like what you like, even if people laugh at you for it.

Ginny Weasley

Don't even get me started on how the movies did not do this queen justice. Adore her.

Hermione Granger

Hermione can get so much hate, and although she is a bit of a pain at times, I totally love her character and how she works so hard because she feels like she needs to in order to fit in (much like Remus).

Neville Longbottom

Plants. That's it.

Golden-Trio Era: Ships

I don't have many golden-trio era ships, but here are some, plus I added my opinions on some of the existing ones.

Nuna (Neville + Luna)

Love it. Totally see it. Wish it had worked out in canon. I can see them as profs at hogwarts along side eachother, like neville in herbology and Luna maybe in like divination or smthng.

Drarry

No. Nope. Not for me, sorry. I just don't see it.

Harmione

Why not? I know it isn't canon, but it does kinda make sense to me. I don't really like Ron and Hermione together anyway, I feel like this makes much more sense.

Hinny

Yup. Again, in the movies, total shit, despise it, but in the books, great, awesome, pls give me more.

Remadora

Not sure if this counts, but I want to say how much I HATE IT. "Oh, let's take two obviouslt queer characters and just smash them together even though it makes no sense at all, just to stop speculation about them being queer". Fuck that shit. No. I see them as great friends, and I like fics in which they had Teddy as a one-night stand drunken mistake sort of thing but then become great co-parents, but as an actual couple, absolutely the fuck not.

So there you go! Thanks for asking.

[roonilwazlibweasley]

Pass the happy! 🌻 When you receive this, list five things that make you happy and send this to 10 of the last people in your notifications. 💛💛💛

1. tumblr

2. ronmione/hinny/harmione/rarry

3. my nana :0

4. online friends

5. my brother (ew but also he's kinda swag frfr)

[lunarfly]

Defending Harmione against some arguments Romione shippers use:

1. "Harry found Hermione boring."

Ok, I see where this is coming from. There is a scene in GoF where Harry thinks that Hermione isn't the same as Ron, and that having Hermione as his best friend would mean much more studying and much less having fun. But that doesn't mean he thought Hermione was boring, he just found studying and hanging out in the library boring, and since Hermione spent most of her time studying in the library, Harry didn't have as much fun. Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE Romione but I hate it when Romione shippers use that scene as an argument against Harmione, because Ron found it just as (if not more) boring to study at the library as Harry did! So it's completely unfair.

2. "Harry found Hermione unattractive."

Firstly, people's looks and attractiveness don't determine whether you like the person or not, you don't have to think the person is stunning to fall in love with them. Secondly, Harry didn't find her unattractive, he literally says he doesn't think she's ugly. And when Hermione was at the ball, Harry found her so pretty that his jaw dropped. He didn't expect her to look that pretty, and that's a bit sad, but once he did realize it was her, his opinion on her looks kinda changed and he started to see her as an actually beautiful girl ever since.

3. "Harry is too short-tempered for Hermione."

I've seen some Romione shippers say this, and I've been shocked every time I have. In OoTP, when Harry was having a hard time, was getting upset about everything and was yelling constantly, Hermione was the one person to handle it well and calm him down. She was the one to deal with him, she was the one who understood him best, knew exactly how he was feeling. If you don't remember, you can reread OoTP, and pay more attention to those moments, it will be clear afterwards. *Quick note though, Luna was the second person who understood Harry well, and Harry didn't have trouble talking to her, which is why I admire their pure friendship. 🥺

4. "Harry and Hermione barely even talked when Ron wasn't around."

No, that's not true. The thing is, Harry spent more time with Ron, obviously, because he shared a room with him, took the same classes with him and etcetera, and he was more similar to Ron as well, so it would have been easier to talk to him about things like Quidditch and studying. But when he was with Hermione, most of the time Ron was there too, and they discussed the most important things together, they wouldn't talk about their plans without Ron, they always included each other(🥺🥺🥺). And just like that, he barely had any time without Hermione. But when he did, (ex. GoF) he DOES talked to her about anything, and Hermione had no problem understanding him. If you've noticed (reread OoTP if you haven't), whenever Harry had a problem, he always went up to Hermione to get advice. And so many Romione shippers also use the scene from The Deathly Hallows against Harmione, when they're so shocked about Ron leaving them that they can't do anything alone and don't talk. They say it's because Harry and Hermione can't get along, and they need Ron to do something together, but that's not true at all. Actually, Harry was always the bridge to Hermione and Ron, but, forgetting about that, when Ron left them, they were so sad and miserable, that they lost all confidence, sadness took over them, and Harry didn't know what to say to Hermione, as he was very bad at comforting people, but you can tell he was paying lots of attention to her. That's why they didn't talk or interact much. And if you remember, right before Ron left, there's a paragraph talking about how Harry and Hermione were the only ones talking and Ron was sitting in the background, complaining about food. Please get the facts right before you say something. <3

5. "Their relationship would be so boring."

Ok, I don't fully understand what you mean by this. If you mean it would be boring for the audience, then you're not a real fan of Hermione. If you'd rather read about her crying over Ron for your own entertainment than have her happy but "boring", you can't call yourself a real fan of her, sorry, I don't make the rules.

But, if you mean that Harry and Hermione would be bored in the relationship, then let me say something against that. If you think they wouldn't be able to have a conversation with each other, then you need to reread my point number 4. If you're saying they wouldn't be able to interact and have fun together, then you're straight up lying. They've spent their entire lives together, they grew up together, went through all of the adventures together (including Ron too of course, but Hermione was also there when Ron wasn't, but I can't blame Ron), they've literally lived together so idk how you'd expect them to be bored. If there's something Ron and Hermione could do to have fun and not be "bored" that Harry and Hermione couldn't, name it, because I'm really curious. Yes, Ron was very funny, he has made Harry and Hermione laugh a few times throughout the series (and I love him for that), but jokes aren't all it takes to keep a strong relationship.

That is all I'm going to cover for today, there's so many more reasonable arguments against them that I'll fight against in the future, but, for now, that's it. I mostly see Romione or Dr*rry shippers say these, but others say them as well. As for Drarry, it's pure toxicity, basically the LGBT version of Dr*mione. As for Romione, it's an amazing ship. I love it so much, I'll defend Ron over Draco and I won't accept Ron bashing for anything, not even for Harmione. He deserves better than Draco stans coming at him for nothing. Romione is pure, Ron would do anything for Hermione, and vice versa. And the same things happen with Harry & Hermione. That's why these ships are so similar and I love them both very very very much. <3

Also, I'm putting this post under the Romione tag because I have also defended Ron in this, and I truly love Romione, so please don't be offended by that. 🥺 As for the Dramione/Drarry tag, y'all can be offended as much as you want. IDC.

#harmione #harmony #harry potter #hermione granger #harry and hermione #hp ships #harry potter ships

[alphinias]

As someone who only read the books like 2 years ago but have been watching the movies since I were like 3/4 y/o I’ll tell you that the movies made it seem like a build up to Harmione! Even as a kid I thought Harry and Hermione were cute and they would date at some point because how could they not when we had Prisoner of askaban lol. Only when I read the book that I understood that Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny wasn’t “out of nowhere” like it seemed at the movies! BUT about the zooming in Harry’s face at Fire Goblet was kinda in the books as well when they first saw her as a girl and not just their buddy

Interesting perspective! I watched a couple of the movies as a very young kid before I read the books, so I think I got a relatively even spread. I don’t really remember what I thought shipping wise before I read the books, but I first read them when I was eleven so I was still pretty young and things blur together.

That’s true, PoA had a lot of unecessary harmione touching etc and it was funny because they did start to hint heavy handed with ronmione in that movie too. Like the hand grab and her randomly crying on his shoulder. A lot of the harmione ones just felt more natural which was a shame!

That’s also true about the Yule Ball scene! Her appearance in the books was a big deal for that reason. Maybe that’s mostly what they were going for, but I still think it came off in a way that could be questionable to more casual fans who probably didn’t read the books. I guess that’s what I was getting at cause that exact scene is usually used as a romantic trope! Like, if that was my ship, I’d edit that scene like crazy.

Poor Hinny. Poor Hinny! They were actually my fav ship the first time I read the books, and I hated how badly they were done in the moves. Ginny in general really got the short end of the stick, and I don’t blame Bonnie at all. I don’t think the chem could have been saved, but there’s really no excuse for the awkward writing.

#hp #ask #I love our Harry Potter talks 😌

[dramionediscussion]

I'm not the anon who submitted the ask about epilogue babies, but I read the responses, and I agree with both them and Elle. they're right about them not being many non-child-centric epilogues, and I understand that it's incredibly frustrating when an epilogue ruins a story. elle is right when she says that we as readers don't really have a right to decide what the authors put into their story.

2) but the thing is, most authors supply readers with what they want the most. look at early 2010s fics for example: ron weasley bashing is HIGH. it's difficult to find a fic where he's not a cheater/general AH/unsupportive jerk/etc. but over the years, as the number of ron supporters grew, the ron bashing decreased. writers are influenced by readers and other fanfics, even though the plot is their own. the idea that draco is a sex god while hermione is this prudish little thing?

3) that idea fell through too after we realised that it was vaguely sexist. the fics are getting darker and angstier now, without tentativeness around topics like sexual assault, abuse, etc--something you probably won't see in earlier fics, when all these topics were still a little 'not talked about'. but my point is, as people grow and evolve, the fandom evolves too. we're at a point where MOST people usually equate marriage and babies to a healthy, stable relationship.

4) hp fandom aside, look at other books and movies. it's incredibly rare for a heterosexual couple to NOT have kids. if one of them is against it, they usually end up changing their minds. at this point in life, having kids is "the norm", whether or not we agree. again, this influences writers--the couples they write end up having kids. I agree with anon that we should have more epilogues that don't revolve around kids, but that's what's normal for us right now.

5) ron weasley bashing was normal for the fandom before, whether it was a dramione, krumione, or harmione fic. but we changed because people started to appreciate ron's character and stopped reading those kinda fics. ofc, there are people who don't like ron and enjoy reading those fics, and by no means should the writers stop writing for them.

6) basically this is what I'm trying to say: maybe in a couple years, when people finally understand and accept that heterosexuals don't NEED to have kids, then our fics will change (there'll always be people who write in babies in the epilogue, but I'm talking about the majoity) but until then, read what you like, write what you like, skip the epilogue if you don't like it! the ultimate goal is to ENJOY fics, whether you're writing them or reading them.

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Thank you for your thoughts. I absolutely agree with you that when you look broadly at Dramione fanfiction, you do see shifts and changes over time because we’re influenced by what we read and by what we see in society around us. Tropes work their way in from other fandoms as well - no one wrote ABO Dramione just a few years ago, and the whole marriage law thing made its way over from the Severus/Hermione fandom before it was revealed he was a halfblood. That’s just the nature of fanfiction. It builds on itself. 

That said, this ship is so big and so diverse that there are many exceptions to pretty much any generalization you can make. I do see writers moving more toward enthusiastic consent and away from untagged dub-con stories presented as romance, but I also still see plenty of dub-con and non-con stories - they’re just tagged better than they used to be. Right now one trend in Dramione I’m seeing is tall/smol where Draco is a big guy with an enormous dick. You can easily see how Sex God Draco at Hogwarts has morphed into Big, Tall, Sexy Draco with his Big Dick post-war.

I hate the term “Ron Weasley bashing” because Ron fans tend to apply it to any situation where he’s not a great guy, but based on his canon insecurities and tendency to storm off in a huff, I think you could absolutely write a realistic portrayal of him cheating, fighting with Hermione, etc., and I would not consider it bashing at all. Bashing to me = Ron is a violent man who beats Hermione or Ron is a fat, dumb slob who can’t understand half of what Hermione says, etc. And those stories where Ron DOES cheat on her, resent her career, feel insecure about his own success or intelligence, etc. are still being written - he’s just usually not as extreme a caricature in them.

You said that most writers supply readers with what they want, and I would argue that that’s really only true when it comes to Dramione endings. Most people want Dramione to end up together, and most of us deliver on that, even if it’s a darker or more ambiguous scenario at the end of the story. There are still tear-jerkers and unhappy ending fics, but there aren’t as many of them. For everything else...I think it’s more about what a writer wants to write. 

Are there Dramione writers who try to play to the audience and build the biggest audience they can and strongly incorporate reader feedback into their stories? Yeah, sure, especially among those who make up the plot as they go. But one of the first pieces of advice that we often see writers giving out to new fanfic writers is to write what you want to write. You’ll be more invested in it, you’ll love it more, and you’ll ultimately write a more compelling story than one you’re writing at the whims of someone else. It’s really easy as a writer to fall down a rabbit hole of trying to deliver what you think fans want, and it’s an exercise in futility because of how big and diverse the fandom is. For every reader who wants a ton of hot smut, there’s one who hates it and just wants an interesting story without graphic sex. For every reader who loves creature fic, there’s one who hates it, etc.

I’m American, and most of my readers on FFN are American, but I do think it’s important to remember that Dramione is a world-wide ship, and there are both readers and writers in countries where culturally it is expected that a woman will marry and have children. My personal belief is that no one NEEDS to have children, but I understand that a lot of people want them and that this desire plus what we see of canon all contributes to people writing stories that involve Dramione + babies. Heck even some of my friends who are child-free by choice write stories where they have children. 

Right now when I think about Dramione stories where they don’t have children, I think more in terms of stories where the ending comes before a pregnancy or a birth, and it’s left kind of open as to whether that happens in the future for them. As fanfiction continues to build on itself, I do think it’s possible that we’ll see more stories where they are shown making a conscious choice to remain childless. 

Thank your for your thoughts.

- Elle

#anonymous #dramione

[ronweasleyisourking]

A Response to “Why Harry & Hermione Should Be Together”, a YouTube Video by the Super Carlin Brothers

First, there are some things that I want to get out of the way:

I harbor no hatred towards Jonathon and Ben or any members of the Super Carlin Brother team and this is not meant as a reason for anyone to leave hate comments on their videos or social media. I have been a fan of theirs for several years now and am simply using their video to get my opinions on the matter out there.

I am all for letting people have their own opinions and people shipping whatever they want, with a couple exceptions such as pedophilia and incest, neither of which is the case here. This is not meant to make Harry/Hermione fans feel attacked or excluded. Again, I am just using the reasons stated in defense of Harmione in this video to create a list of reasons of why I, personally, am against them being together. 

Some quotes might be slightly misquoted due to very quick annotations on my part, but I believe the meaning of the quotes stayed the same.

The video starts out with Ben wanting to get a few things out of the way before getting on to his reasons on why Harry and Hermione should be together and those things were: “Hermione is, like, whatever comes, like, one steo above queen.”, Movie Ginny, and horrible Harry/Ginny moments in the movies which honestly instantly put me into fight or flight mode because while he explains that he doesn’t know if the movies are affecting his judgement, I could tell right away that a lot of the reasons were going to boil down to the movies. 

Then he moves on to his reasons which in summary are: Harry and Hermione are really great friends, Harry and Ginny came out of nowhere, Ron and Hermione fight a lot, and he ships Ron and Luna. Below, I will discuss each of these reasons and my thoughts on it. 

Reason #1: “Harry and Hermione are just really good friends who get along and work well together.” 

Sure, they’re great friends, I’ll give you that, but let me show you how they act when Ron isn’t around: 

Deathly Hallows, Chapter 16 Godric's Hollow, pages 311 and 312

Now let’s get to his actual reasoning

“In the first book it seems like that’s what they’re setting you up for anyway.”

Interesting take, I wonder why he thinks this.

“Ron is straight up mean to Hermione all the way up to Halloween.”

Oh, really, an eleven year old was mean to another eleven/twelve year old and then they became friends. How odd. That never happens in real life. (Note the sarcasm.) And I wonder, was Harry friends with her before Halloween? *thinks back on book* Hmm, nope. 

“...Extremely touching moment right before Harry has to go through and face down Quirrel.”

Philosopher’s Stone, Chapter 16 Through the Trapdoor, pages 286 and 287

Listen, if I thought one of my friends was about to die, I don’t need to be their  soulmate to say something nice to them before I may never see them again. Plus, they’re eleven and twelve at this point, and even if Hermione did have a crush on him then, that doesn’t mean they belong together.

“It’s not like the rest of the books are just littered with confessions of admiration. I think it’s just overall the way these two would treat each other, like, it comes with so much more respect, it feels like.”

Friends can respect each other.

“It seems like all the time, she’s throwing her arms around him, like a big hug whenever she sees him.”

I feel like a lot of the hugs are movie scenes but also friends can show physical affection, hugs do not mean someone likes you. 

“She’s like kinda low-key super interested in Harry’s love life.”

This was about Cho and Hermione’s interest in Harry and Cho’s friendship/relationship but I’ve had complete strangers interested in my love life, let alone my friend’s interest, it does not mean any of them liked me. 

I didn’t get a direct quote on these next two, but he goes off on a tangent about Krum and Hermione (which I do not even want to talk about) and ended it with his theory that Hermione only went to the Yule Ball with Krum to make Harry jealous and backs it up with zero proof - unless you count stating that Krum is also a seeker is great evidence, which I do not.

He also brings up the fact that Hermione helps Harry with the summoning charm before the first task in Goblet of Fire but Ron let Harry practice the stunning spell on him repeatedly before the third task so... I’m just saying if we’re going to base ships off people helping Harry with a task, we have better options.

Honestly, a lot of evidence in the video for Hermione and Harry was speculation about Hermione liking Harry and very little on whether Harry liked Hermione, which matters just as much, and we know for a fact that he didn’t:

Deathly Hallows, Chapter 19 The Silver Doe, page 378

Reason # 2: “Harry and Ginny, I guess are, like, fine, but it’s this thing that’s, like, lightly introduced where Ginny has a crush on him in book two and then it sort of evaporates and doesn’t exist at all until it comes on full bore in book six and it kind of feels, like, shoehorned in.”

This reason is given little evidence, other than a theory that Hermione was “eliminating the biggest threat” by telling Ginny to date other guys, which is just weird. 

The build up of Harry and Ginny’s friendship and eventual relationship is subtle but amazing and I really suggest you check out @hillnerd​ ‘s post on it here because they explain the build up better than I ever could.

Reason #3: “Ron and Hermione fight... a lot.”

Disclaimer: A lot of these quotes are less about them fighting and more about Ben trying to discredit Ron and Hermione.

“It’s not that I don’t like Hermione and Ron together, like, I would say they’re a 95 out of 100, it works pretty good, but I’m here to say that Harry and Hermione are a straight up one hundo out of one hundo. Okay, maybe not a one hundo out of one hundo but at least a 96 and when did Hermione ever settle for one point lower than she possible could have on a quiz.”

Relationships are not a quiz that can be graded and Hermione did not settle for Ron, this is just a horrible argument. 

“Hermione and Ron, they don’t exactly always share the same kind of intimate friendship.”

Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 23 Christmas on the Closed Ward, page 503

He specifically uses this book excerpt to back up his point, stating that Hermione’s responses to gifts prove that she likes Harry better than Ron - when in truth, she just likes Harry’s gift better. 

“...Yule Ball though, let’s actually talk about that because I feel like it’s a really great example of Ron not noticing Hermione.” 

Goblet of Fire, Chapter 22 The Unexpected Task, page 400

“He’s only just now realizing that she is someone that he either is or even could be romantically interested in.”

I just want to point out that at this point, Ron is fourteen, and fourteen year olds, at least in my experience, are not the smartest. Yes, he was being a bit of git in this scene, thinking that just because Hermione was a girl and their friend, she should go with one of them, and thinking that it’s impossible she could have gotten a date on her own - but he obviously knew she was a girl. And yeah, maybe he is just realizing that he could be attracted to her, but fourteen isn’t a weird age to begin recognizing attraction. 

Ron and Hermione have a great relationship, and yes, in a lot of the text, they are fighting. But we should not forget that Harry is narrating the books and we don’t get to see the entirity of their relationship. Of course he’s narrating about their fights - that’s the part of their friendship/relationship that effects him.

“Secret” Reason #4: “I think that Ron should have ended up with Luna.”

I can see some of the reasoning for this because there is a little bit of evidence of Luna maybe liking Ron in Order of the Phoenix, but I don’t think we see anything that would suggest Ron liking Luna, which again, is also important. And he gives no reason why he thinks Ron and Luna would have been better suited for each other.

Finally, Ben’s concluding point was 

“And you know what, if I’m reading too much into the books which maybe we do, the movies go out of their way to reinforce the idea.”

This concluding statement is basically my earlier fear coming true, when in the end, all the reasons boiled down to a montage of scene of Harry and Hermione in the movies, which let’s be honest, were basically just Steve Kloves’ Harmione fanfiction.

I’m going to be honest, I watched this video all the way through twice, and I found the reasoning weak and not at all convincing. You can ship whatever you want - even Harry and Hermione - but that doesn’t mean it would work in actual canon. 

#anti-harmione #harry potter #hermione granger #romione #ron weasley

[astridthevalkyrie]

Oh, let's have some fun. Salty Ask List, HTTYD fandom, 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19

I’m so sorry, I went through half this post before realizing you only meant the HTTYD fandom, but it felt like such a waste to delete everything, so just ignore all the non-HTTYD stuff.

1. What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?

Okay, here are a list of ships that I do not get, as in I don’t necessarily hate them, but I can’t bring myself to ship them:

Harmione, Kataang, Zutara, Merricup, Jelsa, Barchie, Jlaire, Rayllum, Jason /Janet (is there even a ship name for them), and Lingfan.

There’s no OTP in the HTTYD fandom that I don’t like that is popular. Hiccstrid really is the only big pairing in the fandom, and I like Hiccstrid, so...

2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?

Basically see above? Every single ship on that last is a couple whose non romantic relationship I thrive for. 

But in a general sense, nearly all my ships. I like writing people being friends more than I like writing them being in a romantic relationship. I like writing Hiccup and Astrid being friends with each other - even when they’re a couple, they’re friends who kiss every now and then. SO, every ship technically. 

4. Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP?

I do not care for Rufflout or Dagla or Heathlegs but I don’t consider them popular OTPs. 

5. Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?

Zutara, Harmione (these two are gonna be recycled a lot, pfft). Hiccstrid to a certain point, the love square in MLB, Jake and Amy? Kinda?

7. Is there anything you used to like but can’t stand now?

Already answered!

9. Most disliked character(s)? Why?

REGINA MILLS. There’s probably others but I cannot stand Regina Mills, holy crap. She is everything I hate. Her character and fan following boggle my mind so much. The woman is terrible and the writers’ love for her screwed over every other character. That being said, I love Lana Parilla.

There’s also two meanings to “dislike” in this sense. Characters like Regina are ones that I dislike but ultimately am still entertained by. Cheryl Blossom and Severus Snape fall under that category too. But I could also dislike a character simply because they’re boring, like Nini from HSMTMTS or Elena from TVD (but I’ve only watched one episode of TVD so don’t come for me there).

For HTTYD I dislike RTTE Hiccup, RTTE Tuffnut, Grimmel and Dagur to a certain point. 

10. Most disliked arc? Why?

Regina’s redemption arc because she never regretted anything and constantly blamed everyone else and never did anything to atone and literally separated the evil from herself as though the evil part of her was someone else and not just her. Like, she was not possessed, she was not controlled, she may have been manipulated by Rumple, but her evil actions were entirely her own.

I also dislike Dagur’s redemption arc honestly? He never was shown to be changing, he just did a complete flip out of love for Heather and didn’t really have to go through any work for it, so it doesn’t feel satisfying.

14. Unpopular opinion about your fandom?

Already vocalized, but some people hold HTTYD up on a pedestal and ignore its flaws. Its villains are racist and antisemitic and the writing is sexist (yes, even the movies, describing astrid in a “sexy ball of fire” is weird). 

15. Unpopular opinion about the manga/show?

Which opinion do I have about RTTE that isn’t unpopular, pfft. Let’s see if there’s any I haven’t talked about yet...

The timing of the show was so weird? It’s supposed to take place when Hiccup is nineteen, so one year before HTTYD2 at least, and yet it’s kind of impossible that everything happened within a year. Specifically in Shellshocked (I think), Astrid mentions that Hiccup has been working on a plan for months, months that we did not see that happened between episodes. The writers also seriously wrote the show as though they had not seen HTTYD2, and while Mala and Atali and Minden are cool characters that I appreciate, BERK SHOULD BE THE ONLY ISLAND THAT HAS MADE PEACE WITH DRAGONS. As for being “canon,” it depends on what you define as canon. 

16. If you could change anything in the show, what would you change?

Have Hiccstrid be in a relationship already. Give Dagur a proper redemption arc. Snotlout and Astrid are bisexual. Hiccup changes outfits so that he starts wearing armor closer to his HTTYD2 outfit. More time spent on Berk. Less of a “gotta catch em all” feel. More villages introduced. Heather is a proper grey character. 

17. Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happen…

Instead of the dragons leaving, I would have had them stay and beat the odds and gotten an optimistic ending instead of a pessimistic one.

19. What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom?

I’m not on Tumblr as much anymore, but I wish that there were more discussion posts like there were around HTTYD2/early RTTE times. I know it’s hard to discuss theories and stuff when the franchise is over, but I miss analyses and discussion and that kind of fun.

#httyd #anti regina mills #anti rtte