#anti satine kryze

[antianakin]

An AU where Obi-Wan and Satine are somehow forced into an arranged marriage post-Civil War, like Satine can't become Duchess if she's not married because she's a woman or she's too young, or maybe she decides to join the Republic post-Civil War in order to give herself legitimacy as a leader and gain herself enough followers to effectively force a peace without causing another civil war, but the Republic is reluctant to let them in and Satine discovers a workaround where if she marries a Republic citizen or something as a world leader she can use that to gain entry into the Republic. She asks Obi-Wan to help her out and he leaves the Order for her because she has literally no other options available and this will hopefully bring peace to Mandalore and allow Satine the chance to change things for the better, even though it means he loses EVERYTHING and has to give up who he is, his family, his friends, his home, etc.

And the marriage goes terribly because Satine and Obi-Wan's "tension" or whatever was basically just a trauma bond combined with teenage hormones and while he respects her ambitions, she never truly understands what he's given up for her and she doesn't entirely respect the Jedi culture sometimes and so Obi-Wan is absolutely miserable among the Mandalorians. None of them accept him, hardly any of them even LIKE him, he doesn't have any real power politically because Satine is too worried about people thinking she's letting an outsider rule through her and wanting to establish herself as a competent leader on her own, and Mandalorian culture is just so vastly different from the Jedi. There's a lot he DOES like about it, obviously, every culture has its own beauty to it, but it's not HIS culture and there's a lot about it that goes vastly against what the Jedi believe in and teach that makes it really uncomfortable for him sometimes. Satine and Obi-Wan just end up in screaming arguments all the time and can barely stand each other just a few years into the marriage, but they can't get a divorce because Satine doesn't want to admit to that kind of weakness or mistake or seem like someone who just made a political marriage for her own agenda (even though that's effectively exactly what she did, as Obi-Wan points out).

There's other tensions that come up, as well, like the problem of heirs. Obi-Wan and Satine DO try, but it never seems to actually work, and Satine's worry that she'll have made all of these changes to make Mandalore peaceful only for it to fall into civil war again upon her death if she doesn't have an heir means that she keeps trying to insist on more attempts and getting upset with Obi-Wan when it inevitably doesn't work. They end up in separate bedrooms because of this, despite the gossip this inevitably creates about their relationship fracturing. Eventually, Bo-Katan shows up with the baby she had but refuses to keep and asks Satine to raise in her place, and Satine agrees so long as Bo-Katan allows Satine to name the baby her heir. Bo-Katan agrees, and Satine stops trying to create an heir of her own in favor of raising Korkie as her heir.

Obi-Wan also keeps trying to find work-arounds to Satine's reluctance to let him help her politically. He accepts that she doesn't want him in the room when she's holding council and he can't be ON the council, but even when he suggests something as simple as just discussing things together in the privacy of their own bedroom so he can try to help carry the burden with her, but Satine refuses to do even that much just in case people start suspecting that she's taking advice from him and assume he is ruling through her. Obi-Wan ends up entirely cut off from all political work and decisions, Satine never tells him anything about what's going on at all and never wants his advice on how to lead Mandalore. She barely even allows him near Korkie to make sure no one ever questions Korkie's right to succeed her or his ability to lead Mandalore.

Obi-Wan attempts to stay in contact with some of the Jedi, but they're often busy and can't respond very quickly, if they respond at all, so those relationships start to fade. Only Qui-Gon keeps up any kind of regular communication and even that is still relatively sporadic depending on how his missions go. He tries to cling to the Jedi teachings he remembers as best he can rather than assimilating into Mandalorian culture, something that further alienates him from the Mandalorian people. Satine had given him formal clothing to wear and had told him that, as her spouse, he had to present himself a certain way, which meant he could not continue to wear Jedi or Jedi-style clothing. But he continues to meditate as best he can, at least once a day, reciting the meditation mantra he was taught as a child to ensure he never forgets it: there is no emotion, there is peace.

Satine hates that he seems generally uninterested in most Mandalorian customs, even though he knows them and has studied them as best he can. She sees his continued interest in practicing Jedi culture as a rejection of Mandalorian culture and doesn't really understand Obi-Wan when he says that they often feel diametrically opposed. He cannot do both, and she's asked him to give up enough of his Jedi heritage as it is, it feels cruel to ask him to give up what little is left to him for her own comfort. Satine points out that he wasn't BORN a Jedi, so it shouldn't really matter to let go of it. Obi-Wan doesn't speak to her for weeks after that, and while she does apologize for having hurt him, she still doesn't entirely understand, and Obi-Wan isn't interested in explaining anymore, something that just makes her angry all over again and the two of them have to agree to simply never discuss the topic again.

Obviously all of this creates irreparable damage to their relationship. Satine's youth when she took over Mandalore caused her to focus exclusively on what she believed needed to be done to solidify her position so she could do waht was best for her people, regardless of what that meant for Obi-Wan. She doesn't INTEND to hurt him and abandon him, but she married him for political reasons even if she had feelings for him. Obi-Wan's desire to replace the purpose he'd had as a Jedi with some kind of purpose on Mandalore causes him to push Satine to give things in their relationship that she's unwilling to give, and her refusal to meet him halfway and his alienation from her life creates resentment in him. Even as they grow older and Satine could theoretically try to rectify some of these mistakes and allow him to help her more politically, there is a rift between them that neither one knows how to cross. So they don't; Satine continues to put all of her focus on politics and Obi-Wan keeps his distance. They just continue to grow further and further apart without any way to free themselves from the black hole that is their marriage.

The one time they manage to get along is when Obi-Wan gets word that Qui-Gon died on Naboo. Satine finds him in his room after he didn't show up for something and he's practically catatonic on the floor, the room in a state of disarray. She sits down next to him and just offers him her silent presence until eventually he reaches over to hold her hand and she grasps it back. The two of them sit on that floor for the entire night until she has to leave to go to a meeting in the morning. They never discuss it.

And then TCW comes around and we're just assuming canon went mostly as per usual somehow and so the war still starts and the Jedi are leading the clone army and Death Watch has been building over on Concordia and Ferus Olin shows up on Mandalore to figure out what's going on. Ferus tries to speak to Obi-Wan because he'd heard a lot about Obi-Wan from Siri even though they'd obviously never had a chance to meet and Siri had mostly fallen out of contact with Obi-Wan by the time she took on Ferus, but he has very little time to do much more than tell Obi-Wan who he is and pass on the news that Siri had died recently during the war.

Then Satine goes to speak to Coruscant to convince them that she's NOT the one sending people to attack supply ships and she ends up bringing Obi-Wan with her. Obi-Wan isn't allowed to take part in the political dinner she has with Ferus and the other senators, so he wanders and ends up meeting Ferus's men, including Waxer, Boil, and Cody. Cody is initially more stiff and formal given Obi-Wan's assumed political position as Satine's spouse, but he warms up to Obi-Wan eventually, especially when Obi-Wan is able to sense the spider droids in the cargo area and proves himself a decent shot. Obi-Wan asks for stories of Ferus because he was fairly certain he wouldn't get a chance to really get to know him on this trip, but he'd been close with Ferus's old master and wanted to get to know the student Siri had trained in the only way available to him. Waxer and Boil are more than happy to tell him what stories they know and even Cody joins in eventually. A few other troopers switch out with Waxer and Boil later and Obi-Wan is able to get even more stories. This is the closest Obi-Wan has felt to a group of people in almost 20 years and he feels practically giddy about it.

When they arrive on Coruscant, Obi-Wan is told to stay in the apartments they're given, but when things go sideways for Satine, she has no one else she can call for help that she trusts except Obi-Wan, so he still comes in to help her with the assassins and manages to make his way into the Senate building to pass over the evidence she'd acquired to Padme, someone Satine believed to be trustworthy. It works, and Satine is able to be "neutral" in the war without having to leave the Republic. Before they leave, though, Satine tries to insist that Obi-Wan should go visit the Jedi Temple, try to see if any of his friends are currently there, just experience being there again, but he refuses. When she tries to push the issue, Obi-Wan snaps at her to drop it and insists that they just leave immediately. She does, and they leave without Obi-Wan being able to get anyone's contact information.

However, Satine is different after this. This was perhaps the first time in almost two decades that the two of them had actually worked TOGETHER on something and it reminded her of how they had used to be. It reminds her of the person Obi-Wan used to be, and the person he was supposed to become, the person he'd chosen to give up for her and her goals for Mandalore. And she hates the person she sees now, this defeated, jaded man she's helped create. So she goes back to him when they arrive on Mandalore and tries to talk to him again about why he didn't want to visit the Jedi Temple. Obi-Wan isn't receptive initially, asking her why she cares and rolling his eyes at her when she claims that she cares because she cares about him. But eventually, her gentle nudging gets him to admit that it would've hurt more than he could bear to walk in his home again knowing he couldn't stay. And it would've been too painful to see his people caught in a war that was killing them, to know just how many of his friends were now dead, and be unable to do anything to help them. It felt almost like it would've been insulting for him to have done so. Satine tells him that she doesn't quite understand, obviously, she'll likely never entirely understand how he feels, but she knows now that she doesn't NEED to understand. She just needs to accept how he feels and be there for him. She asks if there's anything she can do to help, and Obi-Wan is silent for a moment, almost stunned by this changed version of his wife, before telling her that there's nothing she can do to help him with this, but he'll let her know if that changes.

Their relationship doesn't really MEND afterwards, but it becomes less actively hostile. Satine tells him about her day sometimes, including the political things she gets involved in. She asks him questions about his time as a Jedi and listens when he chooses to say something (and when he tells her he'd rather not discuss it). They occasionally take meals together now, although they're often awkward and uncomfortable. Satine starts very VERY quietly looking into the option of a divorce. She doesn't say anything to Obi-Wan in case she can't follow through on it, but she at least wants to know her options.

When Padme shows up, she invites Obi-Wan to dine with them and when they go visit the children's hospital. When the council meets, she invites both Padme AND Obi-Wan, and it's the first time Obi-Wan ever sits in on a meeting with the council. Padme still asks to speak, but Obi-Wan tries to stay as unobtrusive as possible. Even during the rest of Satine's hunt for the perpetrator of the poisoned drinks, he keeps to himself. Right up until she starts threatening the innocent dock worker if he doesn't blow up the warehouse. He steps in and defends the dock worker's insistence that the warehouse could have evidence in it that could actually lead them to who allowed this to happen and while he understands her anger at the situation, making a statement isn't worth losing valuable time and information. Satine almost snaps back at him before his words sink in and she recognizes them to be true and she allows the warehouse to stay, but orders that it be quarantined and blocked off from the public.

Satine still wants to call for Jedi assistance in looking into the issue and Quinlan Vos is sent to help her. Obi-Wan remembers him from before he left, they'd been friends and he remembers being attracted to Quinlan and thinking Quinlan might have similar feelings back, but neither had acted on it and they hadn't quite known each other well enough to keep in contact after he married Satine. Much to Obi-Wan's surprise, he's no less attracted to Quinlan now than he was as a teenager, but it's not something he can actually act on and Quinlan is here to do a job anyway. But Quinlan remembers Obi-Wan, too, and takes the opportunity to get to know him again. His laid-back attitude and sarcastic quips start pulling Obi-Wan out of his shell a little. Satine takes a step back on this one and allows Obi-Wan to be her primary "ambassador" between the government and the Jedi representative, which allows Obi-Wan to get out and do something more productive to actually help Mandalore finally and gives him more time to bond with Quinlan. They discover the Prime Minister's secret black market dealings. Because they're still within the Republic, their supply of goods isn't actually THAT impacted, Almec is just a greedy asshole.

When Quinlan leaves, he insists on leaving his contact information with Obi-Wan and while he does warn that, due to the nature of his work, he likely won't be able to immediately respond very often, he'll make sure to always respond once he's in a position to do so and Obi-Wan should feel free to just keep sending/leaving messages for him. Obi-Wan says he'll think about it, but he sends his first message the next day. The contact is still pretty sporadic, Quinlan sometimes doesn't respond for a week or two at a time, but true to his word, he DOES always respond eventually and always seems happy to have received Obi-Wan's communications.

And then Maul invades Mandalore with Death Watch. Obi-Wan tries to speak up again when Satine says the people have made their choice, he tries to convince her that this fight is hardly over and if she was able to bring together all of the warring clans and force them into a 20-year-peace, she can fight this and keep Death Watch from outplaying her. She points out that Death Watch is armed while most of her guards were killed when the criminals attacked, but she agrees to at least TRY to negotiate and win back the hearts and minds of the people. When she and Obi-Wan show up to negotiate, Pre Viszla isn't there, Maul is, and he immediately kills her. Obi-Wan is barely able to escape because his use of the Force to hold Maul back shocks him enough to give Obi-Wan an opening and Bo-Katan shows up at the last second and gets him to a ship.

Obi-Wan is devastated by the events, obviously, he never wanted Satine DEAD or Mandalore run by a Sith and they'd just started to fix things between them, but a guilty part of him is also relieved because he's finally free. He goes to Coruscant to request asylum from the Republic and and he ends up staying within the Jedi Temple in order to receive their protection. The Jedi set Obi-Wan up with a mind healer to help him through not just the trauma of Death Watch and Maul's attack on Mandalore, but the impact of the entire last few decades since he left the Order. Obi-Wan immediately sheds his formal Mandalorian clothing and starts wearing Jedi robes again, he spends a lot of time reading in the Archives and meditating in the gardens and just wandering around the Temple and sort-of soaking up the serenity that still exists there despite the war and its effect on the Jedi. It's painful to know how many of his old friends and mentors are already lost, still, but there are still many left alive and the Temple still stands. It's still a bastion of hope. Instead of the painful visit he anticipated the last time he was on Coruscant, he can feel himself beginning to heal the moment he steps foot back in the Temple.

He speaks to Yoda quite a lot and while Yoda does ask if Obi-Wan has considered rejoining the Order, Obi-Wan isn't really sure. He'd obviously be a particularly unorthodox case since he'd need to finish (restart really) his training at a very old age and his old Master is long dead. Yoda tells him that Obi-Wan definitely isn't ready yet, he needs to heal a little more, but he hasn't lost as much of his training as he thinks he has, and after the war, they'll need more good Jedi to help replenish their numbers. Yoda promises to take him on as his last student if he does choose to come back, but also promises him that none of them will think any less of him if he decides it's no longer the right path for him to walk. Obi-Wan agrees to think on it.

Eventually, Obi-Wan meets Quinlan again and the attraction they'd once had for each other as teenagers rekindles and combines with the friendship they'd begun developing the last time they met. Obi-Wan is uncertain about having sex given that his only experiences with it have been the disastrous attempts at creating an heir with Satine that were so emotionally draining and so damaging to their relationship, but Quinlan takes it slow and makes sure they both have a good time and doesn't just walk away afterwards, but stays until the morning. They spend time training together, with Obi-Wan trying to remember what he'd been taught before and Quinlan giving him pointers and offering to spar whenever he's up to it.

One day, Obi-Wan is wandering the halls, just looking at the artwork on the walls of the Temple, when he hears someone address him as "Your Grace" and he turns to see Cody standing nearby. Obi-Wan is exceedingly happy to have confirmation that Cody has survived the intervening time since they'd last seen each other and offers to show Cody around the Temple a little (Cody's been given a tour before, but he opts not to tell Obi-Wan that, besides it's a big place and he'll probably have different places to show Cody than Ferus had). They end up spending all day together at the Temple and agree to meet up again before Cody has to leave. This time, Obi-Wan makes sure to get Cody's contact information before he goes and they continue to keep in contact with each other as often as they can.

Bo-Katan eventually shows up at the Temple and demands that he help her fix and restore Mandalore after Maul and Death Watch's takeover because he may have been an outsider, but he was married to Satine for two decades, he has a responsibility to Mandalore, etc etc. And he refuses. He gave his entire life to Mandalore, he gave up everything to try to help Satine fix Mandalore and look where it led. Satine is dead now, he won't make the same mistake twice. If Bo-Katan wants to try to fix what she broke on her home planet, she can go through the proper channels and ask the Republic Senate for assistance. He owes Mandalore nothing. Bo-Katan asks if he ever even loved Satine at all. He looks her dead in the eye and says, "Did you?" Bo-Katan leaves.

Maybe at one point, he ends up running into Anakin in the Temple, like maybe Anakin sits at Obi-Wan's table for a meal or something and he's clearly agitated, so Obi-Wan tries to be polite and ask if he's okay and because Obi-Wan is a complete stranger, Anakin sort-of snaps and tells Obi-Wan things he likely shouldn't. He's probably sleep deprived and caught up in his head and barely thinking about the ramifications of what he's doing, he's just upset and needs to talk to SOMEONE. Maybe he's had an argument with Padme or thinks she's cheating on him or something to that effect, so he can't talk to Padme and he hasn't been able to make it to Palpatine yet, so he's stuck at the Temple and Obi-Wan kind-of just ends up caught in the crossfire, for better or worse, and figures out not only that Anakin is married to a sitting senator (from a planet that doesn't allow their senators to be married no less), but that he did SOME kind of horrible thing not too long ago that his secret wife is aware of and that definitely breaks the Jedi code. Obi-Wan does his best to navigate the minefield that is this conversation before Anakin just sort-of wanders off and then immediately decides to report what he's learned to the Council.

The Council calls Anakin in and interrogates him about this and they speak to Padme to try to get to the bottom of it. Both of them deny it, but it turns out that the Jedi interrogating Anakin and Padme about it spurs one of Padme's handmaidens into finally bringing the evidence she's been collecting to the attention of the Naboo government. She has evidence of Padme being secretly married to a Jedi, evidence that Padme has used her relationship with Anakin to ensure he prioritizes Naboo, evidence that Padme has ditched her responsibilities as a senator to spend time with Anakin. And while Padme had no issue lying to the Jedi Council, especially when all they had was hearsay from one witness, she can't lie to her own government when it's her own handmaiden who is presenting all of this evidence against her. She HAS to confess and her confession inevitably brings down Anakin, too.

The Council offer Anakin the opportunity to make a different choice, to terminate his marriage with Padme and re-commit to the Order. He'd have to be removed from his position as a General in the GAR and grounded to the Temple to speak to a mind healer until the Council decided his commitment was genuine. Anakin initially refuses, but when he tries to go back to Padme, she turns him away. She chose to admit to having covered up Anakin's massacre of the Tuskens as well and that admission turned the accusations from something fairly simple to something much more heinous. Neither Naboo nor the Republic care about the Tuskens, but they do care about one of the Jedi charged with protecting them having massacred a village down to the last child and a sitting senator not reporting him for it. Palpatine has already laid the groundwork for the people of the galaxy to fear the Jedi, so this new information about Anakin is seen as proof that the Jedi could turn on anybody if sufficiently pushed. Padme is going to face serious consequences for covering it up, but the Queen steps in and promises Padme her protection if she agrees to terminate the relationship and promise she'll never see Anakin again. Padme agrees.

Anakin goes back to the Jedi before Palpatine can get to him and agrees to their terms. The relationship is over with Padme, he'll accept the demotion and the mind healing sessions in order to remain a Jedi because it's all he has left. Palpatine can't really speak to him because Anakin's basically under seclusion in the Temple. He's not really speaking to anybody. He does ultimately figure out that it was Obi-Wan who snitched to the Council about him and hates Obi-Wan for it and never wants to speak to him again. Obi-Wan has no problems with that, but he hopes Anakin figures out how to get better, that much anger can't be good for anyone. Ultimately, the mind healing starts to work. Anakin starts being just a little more mindful and starts accepting certain things about Palpatine so that when the Council offers him a job speaking to Palpatine and basically spying on him for the Council, he accepts in order to earn back their trust. Palpatine still tries to manipulate him, pulls out every trick in the book, but this time, Anakin has just enough of a buffer to keep from falling right back into Palpatine's orbit. He figures out Palpatine's a Sith, informs the Council, and ends up invited along when they go to arrest him. Palpatine doesn't survive.

And after that, it's just a matter of everyone settling into a happy fix-it AU. Anakin leaves the Jedi on amicable terms and goes off to do whatever, who cares. Padme stays on Naboo to reconnect with her family. The war ends, the Separatists probably have to realize how little of their government actually functioned and maybe gain a few clues about the atrocities done in their name. Some of them ultimately rejoin the Republic in the wake of these revelations, others refuse and try to continue their own government together, but this time they're actually able to make a treaty with the Republic. The clones are able to stand up for themselves and refuse to continue to be an army for a Republic no longer at war and the Senate votes to demilitarize. The Jedi's work doesn't end with the war, peacekeeping involves a lot more than just fighting after all and this is the part of the job all of them have been hoping to make it back to.

Obi-Wan decides to take Yoda up on his offer and rejoins the Jedi Order as Yoda's last Padawan to finish the journey he started so long ago.

#star wars #obi-wan kenobi #codywan #commander cody #quinlan vos #quinobi #anti obitine #obitine critical #anti satine kryze #satine kryze critical #anti satine #satine critical #obitine arranged marriage au

[airasilver]

Finished the Clone Wars during work. (I listened to the last episodes.) I do like how they pulled it all together but I still don’t like Bo-Katan and Satine. Give me more of Maul and his brothers over them any day of the week.

#star wars #star wars: the clone wars #satine kryze #anti satine kryze #anti bo katan #bo katan kryze #darth maul #savage opress #feral opress

[blueboobutterfly]

Maybe not really a hot take but Satine is an awful leader.

Everyone wants to gloss over how much horrible shit Satine either directly or inadvertently caused not only to her people but their culture. Like, she basically helped cause a mass cultural genocide and then stopped teaching anything about Mandalorians basic culture. Not only that but she left her entire planet/people defenseless basically, from both inside and outside forces. Point: Death Watch basically rebuilding under her nose and all of the horrible Shit they were doing. Like how do you let one of Mandalore’s biggest terroist groups, who have done horrible shit against their own people, fucking run rampant? Like how??? Also all the fucking criminal organizations running around and running shit behind her back.

Sure she was willing to die for her beliefs, but she wasn’t willing to fight for them. For her people. I honestly don’t like her and Obi-Wan together for the simple fact that the whole Melida/Daan arc part of his backstory would be upset by her choices in the long run. Obi-Wan knew Cerasi; a girl who wanted to have peace and stop the fighting, but knew she knew laying down her weapons or disarming wouldn’t lead them to peace. She fought for her people, for her peace and died for it. She wanted more than anything for the fighting and bloodshed to end, as well as knowing that violence wasn’t always the answer, nor did it always feel good, but you needed to be able to stand up and fight for yourself. For your home and people. Cerasi fought for her people and her right to peace. She fought for her people and what they wanted/needed when her planet was in turmoil. She fought so other wouldn’t have too.

Satine didn’t fight for basically anything; most of the time it was Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, or literally anyone else doing to for her. She stood on her soap box of holier-than-thou bullshit and literally helped tear apart an entire culture because of her selfish beliefs. She may not have used a gun or knife, but she used her words as weapons against an entire culture. To demean and demonize a whole group of people for their beliefs while she raised her own as the superior one. It’s fucking hypocritical. Not to mention the entire white washing and low diversity of species in Mandalore during her reign, when Mandalorians before where they were very diverse with all sorts of races/species. And instead of learning from past mistakes, from using her history and bettering Mandalore with it, she decided to abandon all of her culture to become more like the republic.

And honestly the biggest argument to her criticism is: ‘Satine doesn't want to use violence because the history of Mandalore is based around a ton of violence’ or ‘Violence isn’t the answer’. So let’s break these two arguments down.

1) Just because a group of peoples ancestors or past has violence doesn’t mean their culture/people bad. Many cultures or groups of people have pasts with a lot of violence against them or from them. But they learn from it, they might not make these changes immediately but they will change with time and support. Not only that, but just because a culture has of war or violence doesn’t mean you should learn from it or see the strengths of that culture because of it. The actions may have been wrong but to see the strengths of your people, even from stuff you may (or may not) perceive as bad helps cultures and people to grow. To learn from the past to not repeat it. It is common sense.

2) I will agree that violence outright will not solve every problem, nor should it. Diplomacy is something we should strive for. But saying that all violence, even in defense is wrong is idiotic. Even if a culture has a part of violent nature doesn’t mean a person defending themselves will turn them into a aggressive person or some shit. Being able to fight and stand your ground is the most basic instinct of most people. To defend one’s self and loved ones is a reason to fight. To fight for justice, for peace, for freedom! All are good reasons to fight. Maybe not everyone frights for the right reasons, but that doesn’t mean all fighting or violence is needless. Demilitarizing your people and telling them to not take up arms against invaders or aggressors is not only fucking stupid but honestly a horrific idea. Either they fight and majority of people will condemn them, or they don’t fight and end up getting hurt or dying. Or worse.

EDIT: she also sent a lot of people who disagreed with her off mandalore because violence bad. But cultural genocide is totally okay 🙄

#I’m sorry for my rant #but fuck Satine #duchess satine #anti satine kryze #satine kryze #star wars #star wars tcw #mandalore #mandalorian #mandalorian culture #Mandalorians #obi wan kenobi #melida/daan #my stuff #sw #Satine is a shit leader #it’s a very difficult discussion at times and I get it #but shit the woman let terroist and criminals basically run her city from behind the scenes

[cyare-fi]

10, 16 annnnnnd lets do 23! for the choose violence asks <3

10: worst part of fanon

Hmm... I think the worst part of fanon is the headcanon that Korkie Kryze is Obi-Wan's child. It infuriates me to no end. I really hate Satine, but I also think she just wouldn't keep a child made so illicitly. Whether that means having an abortion, which feels more unlikely, or sending the kid off to some other planet to be far away from her.

16: You can't understand why so many people like this thing

Tying into my previous answer, I can't understand why so many people like Obitine. Satine is the most frustrating character to me, from the way she treats her people to the way she treats those around her. I think her and Obi-Wan could never be more than what it was; a short-lived whirlwind romance. I much prefer ships like Codywan, because those are two people who feel like they could actually work in a way that is meaningful.

23: ship you've unwillingly come around to

For this, I would have to also say Codywan. At first, I was skeptical, because I didn't know much about Cody and I wasn't that immersed in the Clone side of the fandom yet. I didn't dislike it, per se, but I just wasn't warmed up to it. And then I saw all the beautiful fanart, and the fics, and the love people poured into these characters. People like my favorite Codywan artist (who I am too afraid to actually tag, but it's Journen) and also some of the really heartbreaking fics and edits that I saw, really made it something I grew to love.

I think there are so many good ships in Star Wars, including canon ones such as Anidala and Hanleia (is that the name for that one?) And ones that absolutely should have been canon, like Finnpoe/Stormpilot.

Thank you for the ask!!! This was so fun, I love nothing more than talking about Star Wars <3

#sweet talks #star wars #codywan #anti satine kryze #anti obitine #finnpoe #stormpilot #star wars asks #ask game #obi-wan kenobi #commander cody

[ooops-i-arted]

Ahsoka or Satine for the character bingo

I'll do both together because I actually feel the exact same way about them both lmao.

My hate of Ahsoka is well-documented but I also think Satine is a fucking moron. Obi-Wan would never be into that, let alone consider leaving the Jedi Order, and that just reeks of Filoni trying to make his OCs more relevant by hanging them off a better canon character. (Don't even get me started on how stupid it is to make a warrior culture suddenly pacifistic, not to mention the Unfortunate Implications of Satine's "Mandos" all being White and Delightsome.)

#anti ahsoka tano #anti satine kryze #anti satine #anti ahsoka #asks #anon

[psyzook]

you know, before becoming a part of the Star Wars fandom, I was perfectly neutral on the topic of pacifism and pacifists. now I just.. hate them with a burning passion. I hear a pacifist say something and I just- bite my fist to stop myself from losing it. Satine Kryze really fucked up, and now i just kinda lose it when pacifism comes up.

Like, yeah Mandalore was at peace for awhile. But at the cost of the whole planet and it’s people?? I will not forgive and forget. Also the cultural genocide Satine led? Really fucking not cool.

#anti pacifist #anti pacifism #pacifism #pacifist #satine kryze #duchess satine #mandalore #new mandalorians #mandalorian politics #mandalorian factions #anti satine kryze #anti new mandalorians

[kookyburrowing]

my hatred of boo-karen crease knows absolutely no bounds. however. she is currently eclipsed in my mind by her worse, lamer sister, satin crease, duchess of being a bitch-

#star wars #anti satine kryze #anti bo katan

[pretz3l-log1c]

I've made my dislike of Satine Kryze pretty clear in the past but I think I've failed to explain the core reason behind why (on Tumblr).

My root problem with Satine is that she's like... a Fox News caricature of a Conservative's Worst Nightmare.

"A democrat pacifist is in power! She's going to take all your guns armor away and leave us powerless to defend ourselves! (Despite of the historical reasons why gun armor ownership is so important) Then, when her reign needs military action she'll do nothing but deride us for our help. Damn liberals-SJWs-Commies paficists are ruining our great nation."

On paper, Satine is fascinating and could have been such a cool character to see explored. Unfortunately, TCW didn't bother to explore her at all. I am left bitter and disappointed by what could have been.

#pretzel rambles #star wars #anti satine kryze #not bashing as far as im concerned #but no one likes to find posts dragging their their favs when looking up a character tag #hopefully they filter anti satine kryze

[azurecanary]

So if the Jedi's practice of zero attachment was what led Anakin to the Dark Side, then why didn't Obi-Wan go all Vader-y when Satine died?

Is it maybe that Obi-Wan understood the Jedi Way? And wasn't into committing genocide?

#obi wan kenobi #satine kryze #anti stanakins #star wars tcw #anakin skywalker critical #in defense of the jedi

[kanansdume]

Of course, thinking about how Bo-Katan and Satine's father's treatment of them influenced Bo-Katan's terrible choices actually starts to shed some light on SATINE'S terrible choices, too.

Because as much as Bo-Katan would've dug her heels in and refused to compromise on her beliefs regarding traditional Mandalorian values and what their father would've wanted, Satine would've dug her heels in just the same and refused to compromise on her OWN opposite beliefs.

Which leads us to how Satine treats Obi-Wan and her disregard and dismissal of the Jedi and the situation they're in. There is nothing Obi-Wan could ever say that would convince Satine that the Jedi fighting in the war is a necessary evil. Nothing. He'll NEVER be able to convince her otherwise because Satine likely got completely dismissed by her father for her choice to be a pacifist or her arguments that Mandalorian infighting was supremely stupid. She was her father's EMBARRASSMENT and she likely knew it just as well as Bo-Katan did. I imagine she was asked to change her mind a lot or to just give up and compromise because she was the heir or something to that effect and she never ever allowed herself to because she knew that she was RIGHT.

But this leads to her refusing to see any kind of nuance in the Jedi's situation. It leads to a VERY limited definition of what it means to be a "peacekeeper" that doesn't take into account what you do what someone else attacks YOU. She claims she's not against the idea of defending herself, but cannot wrap her head around the idea that the Jedi fighting on behalf of the Republic IS them defending themselves and their people. Obi-Wan TRIES to argue his side of it, tries to make her see that refusing to fight would do nothing but allow the Separatists to kill and enslave and oppress everyone in the Republic, and Satine will hear NONE of it. She's completely and entirely convinced that she's right and refuses to budge on the topic to the point that she's willing to get into a screaming match with Obi-Wan about it in public.

This doesn't excuse or condone her arrogance and refusal to compromise or understand someone else's situation, but it at least adds some context to it to help make that unfortunate aspect of her personality make more SENSE. I know where it comes from now, and that lets me see it in a different light even if I still don't agree with her. Because while she was right about the Mandalorians (mostly), she was WRONG about the Jedi. She was wrong about the Separatists.

#star wars #satine kryze #satine critical #satine kryze critical #the mandalorian #obitine critical #anti obitine #jedi #pro jedi #the mandalorian spoilers #the mandalorian season 3 #the mandalorian season 3 spoilers #the mandalorian s3 #the mandalorian s3 spoilers #mando s3 #mando s3 spoilers

[workingchemistry]

Fox sucks on his teeth as he debates how tactful he wants to be and finally settles on not very. “I’m sorry. You seem to be under the impression that I care whether or not people die.”

“You just said—“

“I said it’s my job to keep you alive.” Fox presses into her space. Intimidation is a tactic too heavy handed for him to find any satisfaction in it, but this is an active battle zone. “That means I’m going to sacrifice my men, so you don’t have to bloody your hands and so my men don’t get slaughtered anyway when we take the fall for your death.”

She falls silent with an audible click of her jaw snapping shut.

Fox watches her another moment to make sure she’s going to continue staying out of the way and then, because he’s a good product who can remember his manners in an active battle field, he says, “Thank you.”

#commander fox #satine kryze #I love my mean gremlin son #he needs to be allowed to snap at natbirns more often #also this isn’t anti-Satine #to be clear. #she’s just very naive

[antianakin]

Obitine is a Felony™ ship (derogatory).

#star wars #obi-wan kenobi #anti obitine #obitine critical #anti satine kryze #anti satine #satine critical #satine kryze critical #filoni critical #dave filoni critical #obi-wan deserves better than this anti-jedi bullshit ship as his only canonical love interest

[airasilver]

Watched/listened to the episodes where Mandalore came under Maul’s rule and Satine died. I felt nothing for her or Bo-Katan. I felt for the people. Only the people. Also the confession?

Reminded me of Castiel’s ‘confession’ to Dean. I watched it again and it still reminded me of that scene.

Obi-Wan loved her yes, but I see it as a friend. Same with Satine. They are two different people and I just don’t see the ship.

Heck! Obi-Wan has more chemistry with Padme and even Anakin than he does Satine.

Satine and Bo-Katan have done just as much as Jango has in hurting their people.

If you can’t forgive Jango for what he’s done, you also can’t forgive the two Kryze sisters.

#satine kryze #anti satine kryze #anti satine #star wars #darth maul #obi wan kenobi #bo katan kryze #anti bo katan #padme amidala #anakin skywalker #jango fett #ships #opinion #opinions #the mandalorians

[blueboobutterfly]

Ya know what I’m not being nice anymore! Here’s Star Wars characters I hate and little reasons why

Qui-Gon Jinn, because Fuck that bitch in legends and even in the movies cause he’s a total dick to Obi-Wan. Like leaving him a war torn planet to save his girlfriend when literal children were dying, and not sending any help.

Satine because she’s a shit leader and she commited cultural genocide among other atrocities. Fuck her bitch ass and I’m glad she died.

Bo-Katan because she’s a fucking terroist and helped get her sister murdered. And she’s annoying as fuck and critizes Obi-Wan she literally is one of people who helped her sister get killed.

Pre Vizsla because he’s Pre Vizsla and he can go die in a hole and his fake bleach blonde ass.

Palpatine because if you don’t hate him even a tiny bit i don’t wanna know you. Fuck him and all the bullshit with the clones, my poor bois.

And finally Tarkin. Because he’s a dick and a creepy asshole. Fuck that bastard.

No I will not elaborate on these because Fuck these hoes.

#my stuff #Star Wars #obi wan kenobi #anti obitine #anti satine kryze #anti bo-Karan #all my homies hate satine #all my homies hate palpatine #all my homies hate qui-gon #we hate a lot of people here #star wars #star wars tcw #star wars prequels #star wars legends #i said what i said #sw #my rant #all my homies hate bo-katan

[cyare-fi]

Referencing the: “every star wars fan has to have an extremely niche star wars thing they’re obsessively into for no good reason that they could write a thesis paper about. that’s just part of the deal when you’re a star wars fan” post, I am going to treat this as an ask game and ask for the thesis paper

I could talk for hours about how much I fucking hate Satine kryze but I don't want to get cancelled lmaoooo

But seriously, she sucks. She sucks and I hate her and I don't want to hear about her ever again. Fuck that shit

#anti satine kryze #listen i dont want to get hate for this but I CAN BE SILENT NO LONGER #thank you for your ask!! i love when people talk to me #sweet talks

[currentlyobsessedwithobi-wan]

I don’t hate Satine. I don’t like her either, I’m just let’s say neutral. And I don’t care what people ship (as I’ve said, I’ll read about any ship if the story is interesting enough). However I’m very much not a fan of the “Korkie is their secret child” theory. I guess I’m just not fan of the illegitimate children tropes to begin with. And maybe I’m biased, but I just can’t imagine Obi-wan having a child then acting as if they didn’t exist.

#star wars #jedi order #obi wan kenobi #star wars prequels #kinda #obitine critical #Anti Obitine #i mean not really #but I’m tagging it in case so Obitine shippers don’t have to see it if they blocked these tags #satine kryze