#infinite regress

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During Infinite Regress, all of the assimilated personalities who come out are acting on Seven’s repressed desires for her. The ones who emerge from the vinculum are able to because that’s where her defenses are already strained. Most of them are asserting her position on Voyager as a member of the crew.

She breaks into the mess hall because she is not satiated with how she’s been feeding herself. She wants to play with Naomi Wildman since she never really got to be a kid. She is an aggressive Klingon with B’Elanna because she has repressed sexual desire towards her. She becomes Meryl, a child, with Tuvok because she sees him as a mentor she’s afraid to disappoint, but she transforms into a Vulcan then Klingon because she also sees him as a kindred spirit that she can speak to as an equal and challenge.

Ensign Stone’s log shows her insecurities serving on Voyager and her fear of disappointing Janeway, even if she’s getting positive reinforcement. Another log shows she wants more intimate connections with her peers.

As a Ferengi, she is impressed and sees (literal) value in Voyager, and she negotiates with Janeway for it. Of anyone, it would be most important for Seven to communicate Voyager’s value to Janeway. As a mother of someone lost at Wolf 359, she shows how keenly she feels the loss of her family to the Borg and reacts with a mixture of fear and grief. She is helpless to do anything faced with the enormity of what the Borg has done, both as a victim and perpetrator of Borg activity. She trades jokes as a Bolian manicurist, betraying her emerging sense of humor. As a Krenim physicist, and shows she doesn’t have full faith in Borg perfection since there is room for debate. It is interesting this is the point in which Janeway questions her status as a crew member with Chakotay on the bridge, since every emergent personality seems to act to assert her position (even if some of them are violent). Seven is terrified, not only of the voices reconnecting her to the Borg but because their emergence could completely undo everything she’s worked so hard to achieve onboard.

By the time Tuvok attempts a mindmeld, she cycles through all of the personalities because she implicitly trusts Tuvok to be able to help her without judgment. The chaos of the emergent personalities breaking down her defenses because of the vinculum can be filtered through the logical, orderly mind of someone who cares about her.

The crew comes together to free her from the effects of the vinculum, despite giving them all a big Borg scare.

The EMH sums it up nicely, “You may not hear them, but I suspect they’ll always be with you.” Then she goes and plays with Naomi, responding to the first unmet interactive desire the personalities brought out.

#seven of nine #infinite regress #star trek voyager #yeah I’m not a huge shipper but I’ve come around to B7 #they’re much more interesting together than anything within canon #b7 #meta

[janewaysevenalways]

Your job is to keep trying to hold on even when you think you can’t leave the rest to me and the crew Janeway x Seven Infinite Regress Star Trek Voyager xxx.

#Captain Janeway #Seven of Nine

#Infinite Regress #Star Trek Voyager

#janeway x seven #j/7 #infinite regress #my edits #star trek voyager #space wives #kathryn janeway #seven of nine

[saint-augustines-pears]

“The universe created itself”

No it didn’t

#catholicism #philosophy #religion #christianity #atheism #catholic #god #good #evil #aristotle #Plato #saint augustine of hippo #infinite regress #thinking 🤔🤔🤔

[hauntedmoonchaos]

Tuvok was the one who suggested a mind meld in Infinite Regress. Like it was his idea because he wanted to help Seven and it is not appreciated enough how far my Vulcan baby was willing to go.

And that chaos inside her head must have been so distressing for him

#tuvok #star trek voyager #Infinite Regress #seven of nine

[thoughtportal]

"Turtles all the way down" is an expression of the problem of infinite regress. The saying alludes to the mythological idea of a World Turtle that supports a flat Earth on its back. It suggests that this turtle rests on the back of an even larger turtle, which itself is part of a column of increasingly larger turtles that continues indefinitely.

The exact origin of the phrase is uncertain. In the form "rocks all the way down", the saying appears as early as 1838.[1] References to the saying's mythological antecedents, the World Turtle and its counterpart the World Elephant, were made by a number of authors in the 17th and 18th centuries.[2][3]

The expression has been used to illustrate problems such as the regress argument in epistemology.

#article #wikipedia #turtles all the way down #infinite regress #philosophy #mythological #mythology #myth #folklore #turtles #history

[djzazzles]

first Infinite Regress merch in existence (not for sale)

#music #art #electronic music #infinite regress #0 #puzzle #look at her #queen of the void

[rosalie-starfall]

Seven & B'Elanna - Infinite Regress

“Your Blood Is Sweet!”

#Seven of Nine #Seven #Lt. B'Elanna Torres #b'elanna torres #jeri ryan #Roxann Dawson #Star Trek Voyager #Star Trek: Voyager #Star Trek Babes #Star Trek #Voy #stvoyedits #stedits #my gifs #my edits #tv edits #tv : Star Trek #Star Trek Voyager Episodes #Infinite Regress #I ship it #You've got that lustin feelin #Whoa that lustin' feelin #B/7 #science gals being science pals #B7edits

[anestheticrage]

"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."

Infinite Regress by Z. Salieri, coming soon! 10/1/23

#music #new music #electronic music #sciencecore #z. salieri #experimental music #edm #idm #artcore #psytrance #electronic #artificial intelligence #experimental #infinite Regress #concept album #progressive electronic #art #my art #cosmos #carl sagan #japanese music #coming soon

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

The existence of the world and the entire universe is all the proof we need that an eternal creator God exists. Which is why the existence of an eternal creator God is all the proof we need for the existence of SuperGod, the super-eternal maker of all creator Gods. Whatever eternity God sees is only a subset of the super-eternity visible to SuperGod. Whatever infinite realm God occupies is only a subset of the super-infinity granted to God by SuperGod. The existence of SuperGod is, of course, all the proof we need of UltraGod, the ultra-eternal SuperGod-maker.

And the existence of UltraGod is all the proof we need of HyperGod, the hyper-eternal UltraGod-maker...

#religious logic #Argument from First Cause #First Cause #SuperGod #UltraGod #HyperGod #infinite regress #religion #kalam #kalam cosmological argument #religion is a mental illness

[sshbpodcast]

Is season 5 the best season for Voyager? Are all season 5s the best seasons?

by Ames

There’s just something about those middle seasons of any Star Trek series. The characters have all received enough development to feel real. The writers have found their footing. There are enough existing story arcs to draw from to create a really cohesive world. And the show hasn’t been going on long enough for the stories to get stale and the writers to run out of ideas. We saw it in season five of The Next Generation, which tied with season 6 for number of episodes represented in our overall tops from the series. I’d argue that season four is the best season of Deep Space Nine, with some of the best episodes of the series and really very few of the worst. And now that A Star to Steer Her By has finished our watch-through of season five of Voyager, I’m sensing a pattern. Sorry, Enterprise.

What do y’all think? Season fours versus season fives? We’ll have to wait to see if the pattern holds with any of the currently running series, but so far, I think my theory holds. We’ve constructed our typical season wrap top 5 / bottom 5 listicles, and this past season of Voyager just had too many good episodes to choose from. Check them all out below and listen to our chatter on this week’s podcast episode (discussion starts at 1:27:17) where you can hear some bonus episodes from guest star Carl of the BattleSpace Nine podcast!

[images © CBS/Paramount]

Top Three Episodes

There were a lot of contenders for top three this season, which speaks to the strength of the season overall, and our picks were way more spread out than usual. Interestingly (if you like random stats as much as I do), this is the first time we have seen no overlap in a list from Caitlin, a feat achieved before by Chris in both season 5s of TNG and DS9. Season 5s, amirite?

“Drone”: Ames Borg on board! We’re still at the stage in the show when every Borg episode is a highlight in some way or another. And this One’s no different (emphasis on the One!). It may be a retread of “I, Borg,” but is that such a bad thing? Credit to our new friend from the Collective, born when some nanoprobes and a mobile emitter got busy in the transporter, for giving us all the feels.

“Thirty Days”: Caitlin Tom is at his best when he’s a little bit rebellious. It was really good to see that streak of bad boy in him while also seeing how his character development over the seasons has made him a fighter for the little guy. We finally see what Torres finds so attractive in him. Mmm, so ethical. And any time we get to have a big old Prime Directive debate is going to be a good time.

“Bride of Chaotica”: Chris Similar to something like an “Our Man Bashir” or a “Trials and Tribble-ations,” this episode tears out all the stops and just goes for broke. When Star Trek embraces its campy roots but also does something original with tropes, it’s pretty much bound to end up on Chris’s tops list. It was just too delightful watching Kate Mulgrew ham it up. Invaders! Invaders!

“Timeless”: Jake This episode was this close to making our top time travel episodes list, but the phase variance was just slightly off. So I’m glad we get to sing its praises now because it’s another good use of the time travel motif: the premise is smart, Harry’s guilt is emotionally evocative, the crash on the ice planet somehow holds up, and this might be the most attractive we’ve found Garrett Wang yet!

“Counterpoint”: Caitlin What’s better than a good double crossing in an episode? Perhaps a triple crossing? A quadruple crossing? We lost count of just how many crossings there were in “Counterpoint,” but we loved watching Janeway outscheme Kashyk. Devious Janeway is definitely best Janeway, and helping people who are persecuted is definitely a good taste to have in the mouth.

“Latent Image”: Chris As you’ll see in a second with our tippy top pick of the season, we love a brutal ending, and seeing the Doctor have to deal with soul-crushing problems is spell-binding. We can empathize with how the more human emotions and flaws that he’s developed over the years can be considerably detrimental, but it’s that development that has made him such a remarkable character. Take that to the memory bank!

“Nothing Human”: Caitlin One last one just from Caitlin’s list and it’s a good’un. “Nothing Human” is a fine allegory for Nazi experimentation and Crell Moset makes for a very compelling and thought-provoking equivalent to a Nazi doctor whose work could be considered beneficial despite the horrific ways in which it was achieved. It’s also a plus anytime we see Cardassians strutting their stuff on Trek, so there’s that too. Yum.

“Relativity”: Ames, Jake I’m not shy about lauding this episode all over the place, such as in our time travel episodes discussion just last week! What more can I say about this mindfuck of a time travel episode that I haven’t already gushed? The paradoxes make your eyes cross just a little bit, but in a good way because the pacing is just spot on. And Jeri Ryan nails it, of course, and rocks a Starfleet sciences uniform like no one else.

“Course: Oblivion”: Ames, Chris, Jake Get ready to be emotionally manipulated by an episode for a full forty-five minutes, and it feels so good! Once you come to realize the twist of this episode and the ending is inevitable, it’s like slow torture, except that’s our kink. The character doubles are just so compelling to watch because they effectively are our usual characters, with their same traits and motivations, just without the plot armor.

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Bottom Three Episodes

You’ll see a lot more overlap in our bottoms list, kinda like we had last season, mainly because there just weren’t that many bad’uns to go through. So here are just the couple that we mostly agreed should have been scrubbed from this season and from our eyes.

“Infinite Regress”: Ames As fun as it is to watch Jeri Ryan play a whole bunch of personalities from people she’s assimilated (see our character possessions post!), it’s also a fairly thin story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The actions of all the other personalities aren’t grounded by anything. And the mindmeld scene is just some exhausting sensory overload of chaos.

“Someone to Watch Over Me”: Caitlin This episode may seem a lighter, fluffier story that you can generally enjoy on the whole (and I won’t be hearing anything bad about Scott Thompson!), but when you get down to it you’ve got to admit: it’s just Pygmalion. Almost beat for beat. It’s pretty lazy to just go all My Fair Lady on Seven, especially when she’s already such a good character that doesn’t need whatever fixing the doctor seems to think she needs.

“The Disease”: Ames, Chris, Jake This is an episode that had too many plotlines to focus on and it bet on the wrong horse. While we were clawing at the television to learn more about the rebels on the generational ship, the writers were force feeding us a fairly bland romance and trying to convince us that there was some kind of conflict when really Kim and Tal were just a normal couple. Who is Janeway to lecture him on banging an alien?

“11:59”: Caitlin, Chris, Jake Now an actually bad romance comes from Janeway’s ancestry in this episode that could have just been about how history isn’t always all it’s cracked up to be except for this meet cute that derailed the whole thing. Not only did Shannon and Henry have absolutely no chemistry, but also the character of Henry Janeway was just plain unlikeable in just about every way. Stop living in the past, episode!

“The Fight”: Ames, Caitlin, Chris, Jake But the episode that we all agreed on from this season is one of the most notoriously bad. “The Fight” is the lowest rated Voyager episode on IMDB, and there is good reason why. The structure of flashbacks and dream sequences and random meetings with Chakotay’s insane grandfather is so convoluted it somehow manages to contradict itself constantly. This one was knocked out before it got in the ring.

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Is it all downhill from here? Seasons 6 and 7 have trended weaker in TNG and DS9, so keep listening along with our watch-through of Voyager to find out how the rest of the series fares! Make sure you’re subscribed over on SoundCloud or your favorite podcast app, hail us on Facebook and Twitter, and shine up that plot armor: you’re gonna need it!

#star trek #star trek podcast #podcast #voyager #top three #bottom three #drone #thirty days #bride of chaotica #timeless #counterpoint #latent image #nothing human #relativity #course: oblivion #infinite regress #someone to watch over me #the disease #11:59 #the fight

[data2364]

via Trekcore.com

Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) 1998 in Star Trek: Voyager "Infinite Regress“

https://data2364.wordpress.com/2019/09/26/daily-star-trek-26-september-2019/

#Star Trek #Star TrekVoyager #Jeri Ryan #7 of 9 #Infinite Regress #Das Vinculum

[fullmetal-angelgrace]

seeing all the different people who've been assimilated by the borg in seven's mind was really cool!!

#and terrifying! #star trek voyager #star trek voyager infinite regress #infinite regress #seven of nine #voyager 5x07 #star trek voyager 5x07 #and omg naomi is soooooo cute #kinda funny though that tuvok did jack shit when melding with seven #like she only survived cuz the shut the thing down #who knows if he would've gotten to her or not #naomi watches voy

[lifeamateur617-blog]

The image of knowledge and truth as a light in the darkness of ignorance: I honestly cannot think of any other.

I think that I am not alone in obsession over the idea of fundamental truth - that in some of us it is instinctual, not chosen.

But it seems that it’s mostly procrastination; would we even know it if we found it? The idea of the search is a useful (in a material sense) distraction, just a pass time. The idea that we could put the universe into a box. The longer I look for understanding the more I think I’m bad at it.

A video I watched (from UpAndAtom on YouTube) talked about numbers, and the abundance of each of the sets of numbers. It concludes that the set of irrational numbers , which are essentially inexpressible except for a few special cases (pi, Euler’s number et al), are likely the most abundant. The idea of mathematics being largely inexpressible.

I’m a bad philosopher, but what I know says that if the universe is logical, then there must be a first cause or an infinite regress occurs.

What if universal truth is inexpressible? Is what cannot be expressed the solution of infinite regress? Are the only fundamental truths inexpressible?

I will admit, I have vested interests. I want to be someone else but I don’t want to change. I want to be true, but I can’t explain why. Is the fact that my reasoning never reaches the horizon of an inexpressible feeling proof that it’s real or am I just procrastinating?

#procrastinating #infinite regress #irrational numbers

[raurquiz]

#otd #startrek #voyager #InfiniteRegress #janeway #chakotay #tuvok #kim #paris #belannatorres #7of9 #emh #neelix #NaomiWildman #Ven #startrek57 @TrekMovie @TrekCore @StarTrek @StarTrekOnPPlus @TheKateMulgrew

#otd #startrek #voyager #infinite regress

[trillscienceofficer]

being into B'Elanna/Seven is so fucking funny. Star Trek: Voyager just keeps telling me that they don't like each other and yet here I am wondering why the hell B'Elanna would make that observation if she truly didn't care, a little passive-aggressive as it is and all, and why Seven would admit to anything being wrong with her if she didn't trust B'Elanna even a little bit. That being said, they Cannot have a normal interaction ever and I'm laughing

#every time they're both in the mess hall or in engineering... you know it's about to Happen #voy #b7 #b'elanna torres #seven of nine #ep: infinite regress #pictures taken 5 seconds before disaster also #sidenote to the sidenote i wish 'you look terrible' made any sense wrt makeup or costuming decisions here

[glittergoats]

its turtles all the way down

#pokemon #pokemon scarlet and violet #pokemon scarlet #indigo disk spoilers #indigo disk #professor sada #terapagos #my art #i fucking loved ID guys #that cutscene literally changed everything #and the worst part is that it seems barely anyone actually gets what it meant #for those that didn't please Google turtles all the way down #its not a timeloop!! not a normal one anyways. its an infinite regression #gamefreak ate with this im ngl incredibly ambitious story for a pokemon game #and it has ruined my life #TURTLES #jordan (scarlet oc)