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drawballa · 1 year
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Shield & Shelter Chapter 7 (4/4)
ALL CHAPTERS: https://www.tumblr.com/drawballa/708347107446226945/shield-shelter-royalau-master-post?source=share
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artckvevy · 11 months
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ㅤ꯭ح꯭ب ࣪.᭢ㅤ🦪 𑜷𖹭꯭𖹭𑠢 ࣪﹒◌꯭ ͡ㅤ
Moodboard Jikook Anastasia
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pviscelle · 1 year
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Remember You: My Happiness | MasterPost
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Pairing: Taehyung x Female Character
Genre/Tags: Classic, Romance, Fluff
Word Count: 11.6k+
Status: Ongoing
Rating: Teen and Up Audience
Synopsis: With the ocean breeze silencing us, we remain unperturbed, strangely. She and I static against the moving waves in front, staring at the moon, the same inconstant moon she referenced from a while ago. But that was until something about gazing at the twilit sky stirred a familiar sentiment and prompted the cynicism I came to be for nine long years.
"I don't understand how people can easily forget the person they claimed to love once."
From afar, tintinnabulations of church bells chimed, providing for the delicacy that her next words carried, therefore contradicting my belief of offending her, as she said, "Whoever said about forgetting when one can remember them even if they choose to move on, Tae?"
The comfort of her smile wrapped around me like orchids blooming in early spring, tying me to the night for the next two months of summer. I inhaled sharply.
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Kim Taehyung, a 22-year-old intern at Seoul Art Gallery, experiences a waver in his opinions toward life and love after differing them with the perceptions of a specific woman he met in France.
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10 Jikook Moments That Make Me Say "There is no way Jikook is not real"
You know how sometimes when you are watching some Jikook content you get the random thought that says "How in the world is this even real?!?" For reals. A lot of Jikook moments are just...magical. They are something else. Real "I am you, you are me" (I really like that phrase, can you tell?).
Some moments legit have no explanation other than it's 2 people who are in love and are together. Together? Forever. Forever?
So here is my list (In no particular order, except number 1 and 2. Those moments are just the top moments for me):
10. Jungkook melting
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This particular scene left a huge impression on me. Jimin caresses Jungkook's face and Jk closes his eyes and let's the touch take him. Its romantic.
There is no way on Earth that 2 people can touch each other like this and not feel anything remotely similar to love. No way.
Sure, friends with benefits can do it, or just friends can do it, but to get to this point where your face is caressed and you MELT, that's undeniable love. Touch with love elicits this sort of response. And we don't only see this in this scene, there are tons of others where the same thing happens!
(Like in yesterday's Jikook hug. Jk melted into Jimin.)
9. Mma 2018
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A classic, right?
Have you ever seen any 2 other idols do this? It's like they forgot the cameras and all the people existed and poor Hyunjae next to them raising his eyesbrows left and right lol The guy seemed traumatized lol
They let their romantic thoughts win. Jk couldn't get his eyes off of Jimin. He even wanted to help him sit lol The way he looked at him. Like he wanted to kiss every inch of his face. His eyes spilling love.
I've watched this so many times and I stare at my screen in disbelief everytime. But I get it. Sometimes the moment is then and Jungkook and Jimin lived it.
8. You are my Park Filter 🥰
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We are only supposed to watch unedited content, right everyone? So if you want to watch the whole live, go to weverse. This is a nice summary lol
Every respected Jikooker needs to have watched this, in my opinion lol
Jk is being the best boyfriend he can be and comes running the moment Jimin calls. There is lots of hand holding, soft tones in their voices, and very boyfriendy vocabulary being exchanged according to k-army, smiles, laughs, an appearance by their best man Mr. Hobi.
I watch this and it's like omg, they are happy together. And it makes me feel all happy to 3rd wheel along lol
If that doesn't convince you, maybe Jimin's shy shy shy face will!!!
7. Finger heartu 💕
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It's not the finger heart that makes me think Jikook is real...but Jimin's reaction. Like no Jungkook, we are supposed to be chill in this concert...
And then Nam in the back tying his shoelace, that is already tied, but serves as an anti anxiety technique when dealing with Jikook.
It caught Jimin by surprise, like all these grand gestures Jungkook likes to surprise him with.
6. Jikook in their wedding suits...just kidding. Jimin losing himself when looking at Jungkook
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First of all, omg. They looked handsome that day. There was a lot of Jikookery going on in these awards.
And then I see this scene. I feel like it's rare when Jimin lets his guard down and allows us to see him melt like this over Jk. I think Jimin just forgot about the cameras. His sweet smile and soft gaze for Jungkook only got softer when Jk looked at him too.
Then reality hit and back to business casual.
My point is that you don't forget that all eyes are on you unless more important eyes are on you. So many people were watching, but to Jimin, the ones that are the most important are Jungkook's eyes. And the same can be said about Jungkook.
5. 2315 in PTD Seoul
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2315.
But that's not all.
In that same concert, Jk also referenced the numbers:
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BUT that is not all...
After that concert, Jk had a quick live on Instagram and he referenced the numbers in his own way:
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0:56 seconds: "Finally, in Korea, in 2.5 years, feels like 23 years, we finally had a concert in Korea. We got to do it..."
23. I was trying to figure out what the 23 meant since he referenced it twice. And one twitter discussion said that the was referring to 2300 days. That made sense to me. Has anyone heard anything about this number?
But going back to the 2315....
So k-army did the math for us and found that 2315 from March 10, 2022 (PTD concert) is...
November 08, 2015, which many believe might be the start of Jikook or a date that seems to be very important to them.
There is just too much persistence from both Jk and Jimin to show us what 11/8 means to them. It's like the are silently screaming it for us to understand.
4. GCF Tokyo
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If Jungkook still mentions it, then so do we!
Everything about this date captured on video is literally that...a date. The video doesn't even show Tokyo...just Jungkook's Jimin and he decided to share that with us. Not for fan service or because he was forced...but maybe because "I'll be loud for you, but you gotta be there for me too..."
Jk, the hopeless romantic, organized this whole trip and focused only on Jimin, another hopeless romantic.
Whenever I hear of people saying this video doesn't have romantic tones, I leaves me baffled.
After I played this video for my partner, before they knew anything about Jikook, they were like "So are these guys getting married?" Lol
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The Jikooker anthem! Let's all watch it together and cry of happiness!
Boy, I'm holdin' onto something
Won't let go of you for nothing
I'm runnin', runnin' just to keep my hands on you
There was a time that I was so blue
What I got to do to show you?
I'm runnin', runnin' just to keep my hands on you
Runnin', runnin' just to keep my hands on you
Runnin', runnin' just to keep my hands on you
Said, I'm runnin', runnin' just to keep my hands on you
But you gotta be there for me too
3. Rose Bowl Ear Nomming
Friends don't do this. Friends just don't. No one does other than a significant other or someone who is interested in you romantically or sexually. Friends don't do this. I cant think of anything else to say lol just...Friends don't do this.
And then the aftermath photo doesn't lie either:
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2. Euphoria
So I saw this observation in another blog but haven't seen anyone mention it. During this live, Jimin was playing everyone's song while doing Legos. He listened to Euphoria and afterwards, kept humming the melody and smiling. And after a while he says:
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Why would listening to Jungkook sing remind him of being at home? It's not like Jk sings all day and night. It's not like Jimin has told us before that he listens to Jk sing about 8 hours per day...wait.
So yes, this moment is up there because Jimin's subconscious is telling us everything.
1. J-hope's Album Release Party
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Ok, hear me out. In the bangtan bomb, we saw this for a total of 5 seconds max.
But this moment is LOUD. This right here should have been the end of any speculation. For reals, when I think about Jikook moments this is the biggest moment of them all. Why?
Well, because Jimin and Jk were just minding their own business in a little corner of the entire place. A little dark and cozy corner. From what we can see, their hands touching and being close enough. No one was around them. Just 2 people wanting to be close to each other.
And we've all seen this or lived this. At a party, when 2 people are hitting it off, they seclude themselves and people give them space and let be them be in their own bubble. Except that in this case, the camera caught them. Seriously, camera man? What was the reason!?!?!?
And we get Jk's face of "are you freakin kidding me?" Jimin getting shy and looking at Jk for reassurance. There wasn't supposed to be a camera or anyone around bothering. This was Jikook in their most natural state.
We also have to remember that this is during Jimin's time when he was living in the studio making FACE so Jikook wasn't spending as much time together. Jimin was taking a day off here and one thing led to another...and they are holding hands lol
And I love this moment because people don't get to say "you only have moment from 2018" "they are doing it for the cameras" "jikook jikooked when they were young but they got it out of their system" "so and so should have been there too so it wasn't a jikook thing" blah blah.
For me, this moment is it.
Watch the entire bangtan bomb and check out how Jk kept tabs on Jimin in the scenes where we see them together. And the same with Jm keeping tabs on Jk. Also, this photograph:
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There is a better version of this photo but it's so edited that you can hardly see Jk.
Anyway, this is my number 1 because there is no way that this is not real.
Phew. It was hard picking...
I might need a part 2.
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naneun-no · 9 months
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An absolutely adorable journey:
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Actual tweet so you can see the vid she’s referencing, but it’s the classic walking necklace grab.
Also love the thread of people commenting, sharing how they came to realize that Jikook was… well, Jikook.
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bookscandlesnbts · 2 months
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Songs that Remind me of Jikook Part 1
While we wait impatiently for the Jikook travel show, I thought it might be fun to share song recs that remind us of Jikook beyond the classics: There For You, all the other GCF songs, Own It, Body Electric, Serendipity, Magic Shop, Still With You, ect. You can use these songs to add to your playlist or when you listen to them, you can think of Jikook too! I have three recommendations in this post.
1. Agora Hills by Doja Cat.
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I know Doja is controversial and so is her partner BUT this song bangs y’all. The beat is nasty and the lyrics are so so Jikook coded (to me). Screen shot of one of the most Jikook-esque parts of the song but honestly the verses fit so well too. We know how much Jungkook and Jimin love to brag on each other and gush over each other. And sometimes they even get a little wild *cough Rosebowl and hickey gate and footsies*
2. Call it What You Want by Taylor Swift
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This song is the only one in Taylor’s discography that is extremely Jikook coded to me. I screenshotted my favorite part but again, the whole song screams Jikook to me. The “trust him like a brother” lyric feels like a dig to anyone who screams that Jikook are brothers as a form of coping with the fact that they definitely aren’t. And I love the whole concept of Call It What You Want being about speculation about a romantic relationship and the two lovers don’t care you can call their bond whatever you want but they will still love and support each other. If that’s not Jikook idk what is.
3. Coma by Caroline Polachek
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Okay, hear me out with this one because if you haven’t heard of Caroline Polachek (she’s the least mainstream on this list) then I promise you are missing out. Caroline is amazing. Shes definitely experimental, so if that isn’t your thing then you probably won’t like this gorgeous 5 minute song, but I’m obsessed with it. Her voice is so ethereal, the instrumental is busy but addicting and the lyrics are simple but effective as hell. Overall, the song gives a wholesome lovey dovey vibe that truly feels like you are floating. It reminds me of Jikook because when I listen to this I imagine this is how they feel being with each other for so many years and truly “I am you, you are me”. If you give this one a chance and love it, let me know. I stan Caroline so hard and think everyone should experience her genius. Her whole album Desire, I Want To Turn Into You top to bottom is an art pop masterpiece.
Feel free to comment or reblog with your recs! I want to create a fun Jikook playlist with the classics and songs that generally remind me of them. I’ll do another part when inspiration strikes and I’ve got more recs!
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DATES MATTER
They matter a lot. But if you're Korean, even more so.
That's one of the first things you learn when you get a bit involved in Korean culture (to understand BTS better). 
First there's the language and the hyung/dongsaeng thing (although some still struggle with it LOL), and soon after, the couples' culture (anniversary calculators, wearing matching outfits, celebrating Christmas together, seeing the first snowfall, etc.).
I'm not going to say I don't believe the boys when they say something. I tend to believe them all the time...I promise!🙄😂  .... But I know they also have to omit certain information and can't be totally honest.
If Jimin says he doesn't attach importance to dates like his birthday, or Valentine's Day, or White Day.... I won't say it's not true. But I can't help but contextualise this statement, given that he is talking to Army. No one will expect him to say... "oh yes! I love celebrating Valentine's Day!" 
Excuse me Sir, with whom? (would be the next question).
I also can't take his words as "giving a shit" about those dates, because looking back, I think we all know for a fact that birthdays and milestones do matter in Jimin's life... and Jungkook's.
We have seen them in a video on February 14, 2017 wearing matching jackets (something very Korean).
https://twitter.com/BTS_twt/status/831441471203004416?s=20&t=2fNRjVTroiMzzZrTh8JoVA
We've seen Jimin come back sooner from a trip to Japan in 2018 on February 14, and later going out to dinner with JK.
Jimin has not skipped even one of JK's birthdays.
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Nor JK's Jimin's... because even in 2020, when JK didn't post on his bday on twitter (to anyone all the year indeed), rumors of them were heard during those days (in the break they had after MOTS online).
On White day 2022, Jimin posted his famous pic on Instagram. The first one with a member. 
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Days later we all saw the leak pic on Najujib.😎
Curious that on White day 2018, JK dedicated a song to “Army” 
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A cover that, soon after, he would hum at the MMA 2018, while massaging Jimin, telling him lil secrets and so on.... (I won't describe them because those scenes are from the first grade on Jikook issues, hehehehe..)
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And this vid is a classic:
https://youtu.be/RJF3xWmvan8
I don't go into recounting the times jikook has dropped that 11.08 is a landmark date, because there are so many wonderful posts about it on Tumblr. But I can't resist giving some examples
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This, not counting, the number of times they've posted at "XX days" from November 18, 2015. This is one of my favorites.
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Jimin posting on the Japanese fan club a present from him to JK. 
811 days since 8th November 2015.
And the last one (from Jimin’s side) too: 
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They can say whatever .... nobody is going to change my mind: THESE BOYS CARE ABOUT DATES
Actions speak louder than bombs... sorry! WORDS! 💛💜
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irishhorse-blog · 10 months
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It's Jikook Week!
Today is Favorite Pictures day, so strap in (or strap on, no kink shaming here) for some pretties. These are all classics, I think.
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mrs-monaghan · 1 year
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Oh that cat and dog answer was so funny lmao
Ive never seen any members trying to change others choices and answers unless it's some bullshit lol. But This is not the 1st time JK directly tried to change Jimin's answers and he ONLY DOES IT WITH JM..well Why he should care about rest members answers, they can chose whatever they want and however they want ? Also they are his hyungs so he can't ask them to do what he likes. So is JM, but somehow JK feels like he has a right to influence Jimin's decisions and take decisions on Jimin's behalf.
1. Cat and dog
How Jimin's answer matters to you Jungkook? He literally picked Cat AND dog, so why you were asking him twice to pick exclusively a dog ? 😭
2. Who is most adult like in group ?
JM 🙋‍♂️, JK : nope put your hands down (physically makes sure he's not lifting his hands). Why does it matter to him what JM's answers is ?
3. JM wanted to come but I think JK is not allowing him to come
😭😭 tf ? How JK is in a power to decide how and with whom Jimin spend his leisure time with ? If he wanted to hangout with Tae why he needs JK's permission to go and do a live lmao
4. "He's being too flirty, I won't allow this"
Again tf ??? Why he needs your permission to be flirty on cam Mr. Jk ? Who are you to ask him to do and not do certain things ?
5. 🐥 : "I'm coming" 🐰 : where are you going ? (2×)
Why you need to know where he is going ? And With whom he's going to film ? Are you his bf or something?
6. 🐥 receive a message. 🐰 : what is it ? (Opens the message )
How was he in a right to ask what message his friend got and open his DMs ?
7. Jin : Let's get Jimin naked if we get 10M followers (👀🐰) Jk : what are you saying? 😑😑
How just the joke of JM getting naked on cam made you annoyed Mr. Jk ? Wasn't it funny inside joke of army and bangtan just 1-2 year before?
8. When JM feels most comfortable? 🐰 : He's happiest he's with me 🙂 and he has done this many times.
https://youtube.com/shorts/vYIrtUJbHsw?feature=share
Well Jeon, questions were to JM. Also I didn't saw you answering for any one else.
9. 🐰 " why you didn't played them for me 😑" (4×)
Umm excuse me. Only Yoongi and Hobi told they heard Jimin's works. That too 1-2 songs. Like you, rest members also didn't heard the songs Jeon. So why you think you have a right to hear all his songs ?
10 classic one lol. 🐥 standing on edge of the boat and losing his towel. 🐰: JIMINSSIII😤😤😤
Why him losing HIS towel made you to scream his name like that JK 😭
11. 🐰 :" are you eating it plain? Atleast put some butter on it yaahh 😑" 🐥: " why are you getting upset 🤧?" (Puts on butter)
Why tf it matter to you JK. Let him eat his bread however he wants..and why JM immediately obeyed and put butter on it lmao
12. 🐥 : why in looking so erotic ? 🐰 : slaps him 😭
Boy tf ? Why does it matter to you how your band member's pic is looking? If it's erotic, it's erotic.
I can go one.. but I think by now it's established that JK only has tried to make decisions for JM. Have you ever seen him making decisions for RM or Yoongi or anyone else ? Nope lol
Anon. Wow. Just
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This is amazing. I love all of this and its so true. That's Jungkook oppa right there. JK using his hyung card. Incase anyone missed the memo he's the hyung in the relationship. Fyi
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(Last one's not real but you get it)
Their dynamic is absolutely everything and I love all the examples anon gave.
Jikook is so real.
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jeons-catalyst · 1 day
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The shipwars between jikookers and taekookers will never fail to make me laugh. Teakook is a crack ship through and through, there's no way around this. The idea that they could ever be a "threat" to jikook is simply laughable. If you look at the big picture it's really surreal in a way. Jikook (a legit ship that has a solid chance of being real) against... taekook. Lmao. Idk it's just funny to me
I feel like the main reason for the shipwars between jikookers and taekookers really isn’t about insecurity (atleast not on Jikookers part) but more about the lies that have always been and continue to be told against jikook to invalidate their bond just to make taekook seem more superior or more “real”. Jikook’s bond has been subject to alot of lies, invalidation and vitriol since time immemorial and jikookers have been fighting tooth and nail for years to defend their bond. The shipwars are silly anyways especially because, like you said, there simply isn’t any comparison between the two but i guess this is a classic case of “when they go low, we go lower”.
Within these last few years, i have watched more and more jikookers grow more toxic in a bid to match taekookers energy because being nice or being the bigger person wasn’t cutting it. It’s no secret that taekookers had started hating on Jimin and wishing him death since 2015 because of the ship taekook. It’s actually funny because Jikook as a ship wasn’t anywhere close to popular back in 2015 but for some reason, Jimin always stood as a threat to the cult. There was a time when barely any Jikookers had any negative feelings towards Tae but these days the hate towards him has grown so much not even because of things he did/ does but because of how nasty the cult has always been to Jimin and Jikook’s bond. It’s kinda sad that we got to this point because i used to love the fact that the jikook community was nothing like the cult but i guess in this case, many jikookers think the best way to fight fire is with fire.
I personally don’t mind cussing taekookers out from 1st to 31st but i like to draw the line at the members. It’s one thing to hate taekookers as a group but it is a completely different thing to extend that hate to the member(s) they stan.
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dearweirdme · 7 months
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Hi! I saw this jikook blog post and I wanted to know your thoughts on it, if that’s okay? Thank you!!
Hi anon!
I was about ten minutes into watching Jimin’s live when I saw your ask.. so I watched the rest of it with that blogpost you sent me in the back of my mind… thanks? For everyone reading this, anon sent me a post where a Jkkr counted Jimin’s eye blinking, concluded that Jimin blinked less while watching Jk, after which they went on to state that Jimin was aroused when watching Jk and him…
Have you yourself watched Jimin’s live anon? Because truthfully the answer should be very obvious.. if you haven’t and don want to just take my word for it, please go and watch it, it’s honestly not very hard to see for yourself.
While watching Jimin’s emotions and responses kinda follow what happens in the doc. He’s watching silently at times, he laughs at funny moments, when the footage is more lively he becomes more lively as well. He’s distracted by Hobi in the comments a lot! So much so that even while Jk’s recording part comes on, he repeatedly looks at the comments and not at the screen in front of him.. Not Watching Jk. He has no significant different reaction to Jk’s part than he does to the other parts. He laughs a bit, focuses a bit, and… he blinks normally 😑.
Basically everytime a Jkkr starts to count stuff they immediately lose any validity in my opinion.. seriously.. counting blinks.. come on! I find it appalling that they take away from such an important moment in Jimin’s career. That album means something to him, that documentary means something to him. This is a classic example of yet another Jkkr devaluing Jimin by making his work about their ship. It’s not difficult to see why. Jkkrs are disappointed. The recording of Letter was not fitting their narratives, Jimin’s documentary gave them nothing for their ship.. so they take what they can gaslight everyone with.. and make this moment in his live into something it’s not.
I am so annoyed by people who are supposedly his fans treating him this way.
Edit: please get away from blogs like that. They will never tell you the truth.
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akookminsupporter · 1 year
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Remember when Jungkook changed his answer to the same answer that Jimin chose? A jikook classic.
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solarwynd · 2 months
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https://www.tumblr.com/viathecloset/746652268168953856/saw-a-jikooker-wish-deth-on-taehyung-his-fault?source=share
I'm sure anon saw this post lol. If i start sending the dea/th threats jm get's from KTHs and jkkrs anon would start wishing tae is not in jimin's place cause the number of threats jm get's daily from them plus the engagement those threats has is what is concerning like anon haven't experienced what it means to have you fav get threats in big numbers but they surely do love victimizing the guy.
Last paragraph…that classic “vminkook are cuddling” brush off. lmao.
If they replaced TH’s name with Jimin’s and jikookers with taekookers the tweet would actually match up with reality a lot better.
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starryjkoo · 9 months
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Run BTS Special Episode Mini Field Day
watching random run BTS episodes and just wanted to say how cute it was that Jungkook's first impulse upon seeing Jimin slide towards him was to drop down and hug him 😭 it was definitely a Jimin Jikook thing because his teammates slid towards him later in the episode and he just dropped and held his hands up with them (although red team did get an adorable team hug later)
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they all do this sliding thing throughout the episode, but this was definitely the most adorable iteration imo (although some of the messy team celebrations came in at a close second). Jikook were especially cute and very playful the entire episode and it was funny that they had so many little moments when they were on different teams. I think those moments have been covered to death so I won't go over them but this episode definitely sits close to my heart because it reminded me of why I enjoy their dynamic so much, it's just really adorable and fun with an undercurrent of sweet.
Jimin was like 10000/10 adorable and really cuddly throughout this entire episode though, I forgot how genuinely funny it was too. I think blue teams dynamic was just golden and was surprised by how funny Namjoon in particular was the whole time. Some more Jimin hugs
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Jimin hugging Namjoon after Jungkook's brutal and scary accurate penalty revenge kick 😭
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Jimin tackle hugging Hobi after his amazing goalie save which transitioned into a group hug
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Hobi serving as the attractive damsel to hero Jimin after his moment of glory in what I feel resembles the classic "leg cling" trope
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Even yoongi couldn't resist handing out a hug to comfort Jimin after his failed kick, because like I said, Jimin was like 1000000/10 irresistibly adorable this episode.
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Not a hug, but Namjoon going from "don't do something weird" to "nice do everything you want to do" after Jimin's successful goal took me out 😭 blue team was just absolutely hilarious. Jimin said his goal in picking this team was to be funny so I do think he was being a bit chaotic silly on purpose, but some of those mishaps were pretty genuine like that ball bouncing off his helmet and just the absolute uncoordinated but somehow functional chaos of his team. Something I really appreciate about BTS is just how genuinely funny they can be in such a relaxed way sometimes.
Also Jimin's subplot of trying to score a goal the whole time because he wanted to do the slide thing was soooooo funny. I love how even the staff became extra invested in Jimin's plight (and the blue underdog team overall) and Jin even called them out on cheering louder when Jimin made his goal at the end lmao.
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A lot of these later run episodes were misses for me so I'm glad they ended it on such a high note with so many great moments that showed how endearing and fun their different dynamics are. Also I didn't mention Taehyung or vmin, but I absolutely loved Taehyung laughing so hard at Jimin's antics throughout the entire episode. I love how much and how hard they make each other laugh, it's absolutely something I've always found really endearing about their friendship.
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Sorry change of topic.
I hope jikook are drunk atleast 50% of the travel show. Lol.
I'd like to see them playing around, being goofy. Maybe jk can lift jm and jm can bite him. I dont mind. Lol. I dont want them to be shy. Give us everything. We are here for it.
It's funny (both hahaha and sad funny) how often we escape into fiction and imagination because of this teased travel show. Awful (but also well executed) marketing gimmick to which we are victims of. And despite knowing that, we're still here, talking about something that we know it exist for which we may wait only one month more or maybe a year. We're kept on a string. Just so we can have hope and wait for a weverse notification at 12 am kst.
And it's only a travel show. Nothing monumental. I think I find myself questioning my behavior and thought process a lot in connection to this long awaited piece of media content. Is it because I've allowed myself to get too deep into it? Why am I still interested in a ship after almost 4 years (this is unprecedented in my life)? I've been excited about up coming tv series, but this one lingers in my mind and reading similar posts is fueling that. I've been aware since the beginning that I will fall victim to classic advertisment, but it hasn't changed my behavior.
We're all talking about fiction at this point, based on images and video taken without their knowledge, or bits of information that are a window into what could possibly be. And we took all that and ran with it because there's nothing else. And it's annoying, but also difficult to stop talking and thinking about it.
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And to now answer your ask (😄), I think they said it's this travel/drinking show so chances are high we would see them drunk. What happens then? We'll, let's wait an eternity for the footage to come out.
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The way jimin presents is much more obviously queer than any other member (purely based on mannerisms, cause if you hear joon or yoongi talking about love for a few minutes you can put two and two together). And his overt queerness makes a lot of cis hetero shippers (or kpop fans ) uncomfortable because they're forced to confront their internalized homophobia and misogyny head on. So they find a way to diminish his importance to the other members or villanise to cartoonish levels to deal with that discomfort.
(I'm the anon you responded to with this^^)
Add onto that how a lot of ARMYs seem to assume that just being a BTS fan makes you an ally/intelligent/a good person, and it's the perfect scenario for some cognitive dissonance. Only that JM haters and Tkkers don't seem to have enough cognitive for it to be anything. Even (maybe especially, even) shipping two men doesn't automatically make you supportive of the queer community and understanding of the struggles just existing as a queer person brings about.
They always clamour "but two gay men wouldn't do xyz in a homophobic country", failing to recognise that queer people have existed through so much worse and still have done things wildly more gay than anything Jikook have done.
There's also a lot of them who only see JM's gender expression and "queer subtext" (meaning fashion choices, and the whole concept of his photofolio + album) while disregarding JK's. Like, that man pulled out the most feminine look and attitude in his "bobs+bangs" Calvin Klein shoot. And he fucking owned it. But instead, at least in my perception, the fandom is split on him: one half genuinely sees and appreciates JKs expression of himself, while the other mostly memes it to death and ridding it of meaning. Any perception of JK as a potentially non-hetero man is forgotten the moment he presents as classically masculine again, aka stereotyping the whole queer community to death.
The latter doesn't happen with JM, because - like you said - he fits the common perception of a gay man. Which is all fun and games for the many "The JM effect" compilations, but for cis shippers it starts sliding into homophobia the moment they need to stop perceiving the members as Ken Dolls and instead treat them as actual human beings with all their complexities, faults and incongruent behaviour.
Which brings me onto Hobi. Now, I don't think he gets it quite as bad as JM.
One reason being that there's simply not as many Yoonminers who aren't mainly tkkers. The latter often uses the former to not be seen as a JM anti, but aside from compilations getting spread to push the "married couple" agenda, they don't focus their attention on it. (Also can the "arguing a lot = being in love/married" thing plz die? As someone whose grandparents argue every 20 minutes (real numbers) it's the actual worst and not really a reflection of romance...)
Another one is that Yoonminers do not care about original content at all. From what I've seen during my baby army days, they pick and choose everything down to the tiniest detail. So they mostly ignore that Hobi even exists as a possible variable.
Which brings me to my next point, which kinda breaks my heart: I don't think a lot of shippers in general, and the tkk/ym crowd in particular, see Hoseok as someone to focus their attention on. He gets forgotten a LOT, relegated to the fun sidekick comic relief while the ships are the mc's. (Which is why, imho, it's always his releases a lot of the fandom doesn't care about/actively ignores). The actual deep founded love every single member of BTS has for him - to the point they should actually propose - is insane. How can you think Ym is more real than Sope or Jihope? How can people be that willfully obtuse?
As someone who thinks Jikook could be real (2019, I am looking at you), I had my doubts seeing Jihope interact a few times. But what gets me is how fucking whipped Hobi gets every time he watches Jikook be all adorable. He looks at them like the proud BFF who got them together. A lot of that is his general love for the maknae line and his personality, but that level? The instances of it happening?
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This was a lot. Okay.
Tl;dr: BTS are human beings, also Hoseok is the best person on the planet probably. Be gay, do crime🏳️‍🌈
Even (maybe especially, even) shipping two men doesn't automatically make you supportive of the queer community and understanding of the struggles just existing as a queer person brings about.
This!! Is so key to everything wrong with a large group of shippers and even solo fans. This idea that because you ship on m/m ship over the other, you are no way capable of making homophobic assumptions and statements. To a lot of shippers shipping a potentially queer couple is just another way to fulfill some forbidden romance fantasy of theirs and not actual concern for the lived reality of queer couples in conservative countries.
Which is why the painful torture of two boyfriends being torn apart from each other like star crossed lovers sounds more palatable and realistic to tkkrs than a queer couple deciding to stick by each other's side through thick and thin, despite the risks. It's less spicy I guess, but who cares of queer joy when the dramatics of the other possibility is so much more enticing.
Everytime I see tkkrs make the whole, "being gay in the military is forbidden so a gay couple would never risk going together" argument, a part of my soul dies. I don’t know what's more offensive, the idea that a closeted couple will just forget how to behave around each other after potentially years of being together because Gays and their crazy sex drives, am I right?
Or the alternative explanation that queer people in conservative countries just never make risky descions for the sake of their partners because the law forbids them from even existing.
Both explanations are tone deaf and ignorant of the lived reality of queer people. Its a direct result of straight people dominating shipper spaces. I do sometimes wonder what queer tkkr shippers make of these theories (cause I'm sure they exist as well). Are they perhaps more sane or do they subscribe to this bs as well ?
And oh my gosh yes about jungkook. That boy has very vocally played about with his gender expression and has been the one ignored the most by seriously cis heterosexual fans. This daddy Dom fantasy they project onto him is a bit much though I do think he does enjoy a more masculine cool image for himself as well. Which to the straight mind is confirmation for all their wattpad inspired fantasies of him. It's unfortunate but alas, stereotypes stick , especially those made by people with a very set view of the world.
As for hobi and the ynmner /sope dilemma, I totally get it. Ynmn shippers do tend to get on my nerves from time to time as well and it no doubt does have something to do with the correlation of them to the tkkr subgroup. I have grown fond of the ynmn dynamic since my baby army days I must admit though, because you can clearly see how much yoongi genuinely appreciates jimins presence and how jimin relies on yoongi for emotional comfort. It is sweet, but yeah I don't necessarily see anything else going on there.
Same goes for sope honestly. Nothing has ever made me seriously question them, except the sunshine bf with grumpy bf dynamic they do fit into very perfectly. They also clearly rely on each other for emotional support (Bring Hobi, hes my vitamin 🥺) but yeah Nothing as eye raising ig ? But yes, i can completely see why it's so frustrating to see how Hobi is dismissed within other shipping dynamics similar to the treatment j/m has gotten. Hobi does tend to get overlooked a lot in these bts dynamic discussions when he very much does embody the heart of the group and the members love for him is so heartfelt and grand, we really seriously underestimate his significance to keeping the bts spirit in line all these years.
I love my ball of sunshine who holds and even bottles up a lot emotionally for the sake of his fans and the team. And he always deserves more appreciation by everyone in the fandom (myself included)
Ps. Jihope in that one 2020 music bank live was definitely a 👀 moment lol.
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