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I don’t know who needs to hear this but no mentally ill person is capable of evil that you are not. We are capable of abusing others, yes, but so are you. Our capacity to hurt people is the same as yours because to abuse is to make a choice, it is not something out of your control.
Narcissistic abuse isn’t real because pwNPD are not capable of abusing others in a way that people without NPD are not. If you have been hurt by one of them, well you’re capable of doing the same things as them. You are not better than them just because you don’t have a certain condition. You may tell me ‘a narc will destroy you to your core’ but so will you.
And I have been hurt by someone with BPD. I should have kicked her to the curb sooner than I did. I shouldn’t have let her hurt me like that. But you know what? The things she did to hurt me? People in my past who didn’t have BPD did the same things to me. Why would I blame her disorder for what she did if it’s clear that she didn’t need it to make that happen? She chose to be like that.
You are working in the favor of your abusers by blaming their behavior on mental illnesses. You’re handing them a get out of jail free card on a silver platter. Worse, you’re burning vulnerable people who did nothing wrong at the same time. Don’t absolve your abuser of guilt. Acknowledge that they chose to be the way they did.
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roomwithavoid · 9 months
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the haters aren’t gonna like this one but i’m right!
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alostlittleriverlotus · 10 months
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seeing an anti-narcissist post talking about how narcissists will believe they're good people and never realize the harm they're doing.
It is really amazing how anti-narcissist folks fit their own definition of narcissism.
Because when we even try to calmly explain, no accusatory language, to them why they are harming victims of abuse as well and why they are dehumanizing a group of people, they will instantly use their trauma and abuse as a reason for why they aren't wrong and believe they are standing up for victims of abuse.
Narcissists are victims of abuse too. My abusive mom is, I am. Like. You're demonizing a group of abuse victims as if it'll help you heal at all by acting like the narcissist is evil and self loathing. Regardless of whether your abuser has NPD or not doesn't matter. My mom's autism adds to her mistreatment of me. She takes things at face value and will neglect me even when I flat out tell her. It's not a trait of autistic abuse. Disorders do affect treatment of people, duh, because it affects their world view and how they perceived things. Like, how someone depressed may have their self image warped as well as their view of people around em. But that does not make it "disorder abuse." The disorder didn't abuse you, people with the disorder aren't more likely to be abusive or have their symptoms/traits affect others. You have a warped view because of trauma too. And people may use their disorders as a scapegoat (my ex used his depression a lot for his mistreatment of me and even blamed me for his depression), but it doesn't make it disorder abuse. It doesn't mean every person with the disorder is evil. And if you're someone who can "separate a narcissist from someone with NPD cause they are different" you fail to see how the correlation still harms people with NPD. That's why we ask you to use different terms.
We can't find solace in trauma and mental health spaces because of this anti-narcissist rhetoric and belief. That narcissists are bad and abusive and will always hurt you and can't love. Trauma victims with NPD can't even be welcomed in most trauma victim spaces because of this. People with NPD cannot look up help for their disorder without being bombarded with how to cope with the toxic narcissist. Just think about it for more than 5 seconds and try to empathize with us (since anti-narcs love using empathy, here you go.)
Empathize with us. Show us compassion. You ARE hurting victims. You're throwing trauma victims under a bus as a scapegoat and an outlet for you cause of your abuser hurting you. It IS a you problem. We are asking that you listen to us and learn and actually show us compassion and treat us like people. Honestly.
And don't even try to say "well you're a narcissist, of course you'd say that." That is literally ignoring what we say because of a bias you have with the disorder. I am saying this cause I shouldn't have to be wary of mental health spaces, I shouldn't have to go on Tumblr and find the NPD community to help me through narc crashes. I was having a narc crash and tried to find help on Google, all it did was make me suicidal instead of wanting to self harm. I could have died! And I have seen stories of other people with NPD killing themselves because of the stigma! This is a fucking real issue and me being a narcissist and affected by this ableism does not discredit what I say. Just please listen!
But if you're unwilling to, just block me. Because if you aren't willing to listen and learn and try to understand then don't even bother interacting with me, even negatively. I won't waste my time on people refusing to listen.
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actuallyverynormalbtw · 4 months
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"oh well NPD abuse is recognized by professionals! its acedemically researched!"
wanna know what else is recognized by professionals? the autism speaks model of autism! that doesnt stop them from demonizing us.
wanna know what else is acedemically researched? addiction! that doesnt stop them from demonizing us.
euro-elitist structures, like acedemia, are more often than not biased against marginalized communities. including/especially the marginalized communities they are studying. you cannot cherry-pick which ideas to critique and which ideas to unquestionably apply.
think critically, and remember who benefits the most from the seperation and discourse within the neurodivergent community (hint: its not any of us).
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pile-of-trauma · 8 months
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once again, now for the people in the back:
NARCISSISTIC ABUSE DOESNT EXIST!
WHAT YOU MEAN TO SAY IS EMOTIONAL ABUSE!
STOP DEMONIZING AN ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE (THATS A TON OF PEOPLE, BTW) WITH A PERSONALITY DISORDER THAT WAS NOT THEIR FAULT AND MOSTLY CAUSED BY TRAUMA AND ABUSE IN AND OF ITSELF!
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polarhorror · 3 months
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Whenever I see a post that says "narcissist abuse isn't real" or "BPD abuse isn't real" it makes me die inside because I've actually been abused and seen abuse from multiple people. I'm not saying you shouldn't treat those people like humans, I'm saying that you shouldn't say that abuse from them isn't real.
Anyone can abuse! It doesn't matter if you're on the spectrum or not! It doesn't matter if they're autistic, have BPD, have narcissist tendencies, schizophrenic or not on the spectrum at all!
Should we treat everyone on the spectrum as abusers? No! Treat people like humans and give them respect! But they should also give you respect as well.
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zippertitz · 1 year
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signs you are dealing with a covert narcissist
as someone who has multiple run-ins with covert narcissists, i understand the importance of being able to spot signs of covert narcissism before you can be hurt. they can be tricky to spot at first, but once you start noticing these patterns, you will be sure to weed them out of your life:
they invite you to take a dip in a nice, warm hot tub. this is to create a sense of intimacy, in which they will use against you later.
there's a fire under the hot tub. no hot tub should operate by fire, and if there exists a campfire under the hot tub, this is a sign that they might not be sincere about their motives.
they cut carrots and celery into the hot tub while you aren't paying attention. this is a little talked about sign of covert narcissism which can be a glaring issue if not addressed.
they begin to season you with garlic powder, onion powder, etc. now be careful here: salt and pepper are customary seasonings to use in the day to day hot tub. but if they begin to use advanced seasonings like garlic powder and onion powder, this could be a sign of covert narcissism rearing its ugly head.
they pull out a fork and spoon, but do not put it in the hot tub. this is the biggest sign of covert narcissism and their ultimate sinister plan. run, especially if they wear a bib and hold up their fork and spoon menacingly.
be sure to spread this post to people you suspect might be dealing with a covert narcissist. this can save lives.
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system-of-a-feather · 9 months
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Dude I really do hate that we are trying to look at NPD resources for recovery and even when you search up "NPD workbook" "NPD recovery" "NPD coping techniques" etc etc 95% of the results are about narcissistix abuse and the Evil Narcissist
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solitaryschizoid · 2 months
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anti-npd people will be like "narcissists are evil because they lack compassion" and yet they completely lack compassion for pwnpd, calling every single one of them an abuser because they have an incurable mental disorder that is formed as a coping mechanism from severe childhood trauma. we are narcissists because during our trauma our brains desperately needed to do something to help us cope so we could survive it all. we are not trying to hurt you, we are trying to survive.
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imsodunwiththis · 9 months
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When I say someone with npd I’m not talking about an abusive person I’m talking about someone with npd
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mischiefmanifold · 4 months
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Reminder that comparing a bogus term (narcissistic abuse) to fucking cult and ritual abuse is not only wrong, it's horrifically ableist and offensive to actual cult survivors and victims of RAMCOA.
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satansfavoritedyke · 1 year
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I almost can't believe I have to say this but the weird more recent uptick in celebration for people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder is genuinely sickening because you people don't realize you're PRIMING yourselves to become victims of the very specific kind of abuse that certain people with NPD dole out. And because most of y'all on this site specifically have massive issues with reading comprehension let me explicitly state that I'm not at all saying that every person with NPD is an inherent abuser, but what I AM saying is that NPD (just like BPD, or any other disorder), is a DIS-ORDER that requires various forms of TREATMENT and WORK on the person's part to assist the disordered individual to become more interpersonally, socially, vocationally, and broadly successful in their lives. Rampantly untreated NPD that isn't controlled by the individual with the condition leaves MUCH more room for the person to become abusive in a very specific way.
This is why narcissistic abuse IS a real thing. I will even concede that pop culture psychology/Instagram therapy culture is largely unproductive on the subject because it lacks the nuance of the actual human condition, but on the subject of nuance, the widespread conversation regarding recognizing the signs of how narcissistic abuse begins will save more lives than people with NPD's feelings are bruised. And now to tie in the point from my first sentence, all of you who are expressing support and lauding people with NPD, whether you know it or not, are painting a fucking target on your backs. It bears repeating that Narcissistic Personality Disorder is exactly that, a DISORDER, with a set of symptoms that are DISRUPTIVE to not only the individual with the condition but also to those they interact with should they go untreated and uncontrolled. So as you're proclaiming your undying blanket support to a group of individuals with a disorder who, left untreated, exhibit symptoms that are inherently disruptive and antithetical to healthy interpersonal relationships, remember one of the main categorical symptoms of NPD is the massively skewed sense of grandiosity and self importance; in simpler terms, you could be contributing incredibly negatively to that malignant sense of entitlement.
People with NPD, just like any other psychological condition/personality disorder/mental illness, should be encouraged to seek help and treatment, not egged on to continue to believe and act harmfully and irrationally as a result of their disorder. Think before you fucking speak on something you definitely don't understand, because the only thing better for a narcissist than a clueless person is someone who publicly accepts their disorder and will welcome them into their lives despite their behavior.
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monsterohnenamen · 5 months
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chaos-in-one · 2 years
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Anyways anyone who talks about narcissistic abuse should stop speaking forever actually
"But you're silencing abuse survivors by saying this!!!" I literally do not give a fuck. They need to shut it. They have silenced abuse survivors with npd for fucking years because of our disorder. It's their turn to sit down, shut the fuck up, and listen to other survivors on our experiences and what hurts us.
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s-rr-ws · 1 year
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The more we use ASPD as an excuse to pathologise crime, the longer we prohibit our abilities to research it in full. The longer we don’t research it in full, the more we will pathologise crime.
The more we use NPD as an excuse to pathologise abuse, the longer we prohibit our ability to research, and our abilities to heal.
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fretbored34 · 1 year
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Masking be like:
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