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andycasadonte · 1 year
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“People find it hard to doubt those they’ve fallen in love with. They can’t imagine they’re being used”
Utena
From 2018
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violetstrations · 8 months
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[ID: a digital drawing of Kanae Ohtori from revolutionary girl utena. She's hunched over on her knees, taking out her sword from her chest. Within the glow of the sword, she is in her duelist clothes. The spectral hands of Prince Dios reach out to her from above. Her white scarf disintegrates into rose petals, flowing around her. The background is black, and the artist's watermark is in the centre. End ID]
reversing the hands of a clock.
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You turned on anon a long time ago and I forgot to ask. Sorry! I just wanted to ask what is the proof that Gendo SAed Rei? Here's an interesting thread by the way. I just wanted to know your thoughts.
Hi, thanks for your question.
This has been a rather contentious topic for a long time in the eva fandom. The thread you linked started in 2009, but I'm sure this was being discussed before then as well.
Before I get into anything else, I want to point out that this is an evageeks thread. The evageeks wiki is somewhat useful for things like trivia, but it is not a good place to go to for in-depth analysis of the girls and women in eva, their trauma, and how that relates to gender. Evageeks is rather misogynistic and clownish.
I have to assume that by "proof" you don't mean explicit dialogue, since you're talking about Neon Genesis Evangelion and asking an analysis blog about it. Analysis is about reading between the lines, yes? But I suppose it's worth bringing up that Ritsuko does mention the abuse pretty explicitly in a draft of episode 24, if that's worth anything to you.
To me, it's obvious that Gendo was sexually abusing Rei. The fact that she's a teenaged clone of his dead wife is suspect enough, but let's dive deeper.
The scene in episode 5 where Shinji tries on Gendo's cracked glasses in Rei's apartment is pretty solid evidence. The glasses represent Gendo's worldview -- his gaze -- and the fact that the lenses are cracked, distorting the sight of the wearer, signifies that Gendo's worldview is very warped. The first thing Shinji sees after putting them on is a naked Rei, too. Shinji then falls on top of Rei, accidentally grabbing her breast. This mirrors Gendo's purposeful action in end of eva. The cherry on top of all this is that Shinji violated Rei's space -- he not only walked into her apartment when he believed she wasn't home, but was also snooping around in her room! He could've left her new ID card on her bed or dresser and left. This is interesting when you compare it to Toji's attitude towards Rei's space in episode 17 -- he's a bit weirded out by Shinji's willingness to just barge in and clean up while Rei isn't home. Also, in the scene from episode 5, you can see shoe prints on the floor in the apartment that don't look like they come from Rei or Shinji, so make of that what you will.
Another tidbit I want to mention is that there's a scene in episode 23 where a bunch of tiny Reis pop up out of Shinji's hand while the angel is attacking. In the ADV dub, what the tiny Reis are saying is "Ikari, it hurts!" I'm not sure what the Netflix dub dialogue is, and I doubt this dialogue is indicated in any subs. If anyone reading this speaks Japanese and wants to weigh in with what the tiny Reis say in Japanese, please do. Being that the later, more psychological angel attacks dredge up the pilots' past and ongoing trauma, I find this relevant to mention.
There's also the many scenes of Gendo gazing at a naked Rei throughout the series. Most notably in episode 15, which also shows Ritsuko glaring angrily at Gendo in jealousy while he does so. Later, in episode 23, Ritsuko says that she lost to "these dolls," meaning Rei and the clones. Lost in what respect? In what ways are Ritsuko and Rei different? Well, Rei is younger -- the same as Ritsuko was when she first met Gendo. Also, even though Ritsuko is thoroughly traumatized, she still retains some semblance of an ability to say no, and conceptualize the consequences of saying no. She had a life before Gendo. Rei has not experienced a version of life without Gendo. In episode 5, Rei asks Shinji why he doesn't have faith in Gendo, to which Shinji replies that he doesn't trust him. The "faith" vs. "trust" distinction is pretty consistent throughout English translations, and Rei's usage of "faith" indicates the god-like power that Gendo holds over her.
Ritsuko inherited the tripartite division that plagued her mother: that of woman, mother, and scientist. She views Rei as sexual competition (I hope it's not controversial to state here that Ritsuko and Gendo had a sexual relationship? Also there's that part in episode 24 where she basically says that he's raped her), which is "woman." She's one of Rei's caretakers, arguably spending more time around her than Gendo, which is the "mother" part of it. Finally there's the "scientist" part -- Ritsuko is a scientist and Rei is her test subject. There's a scene early on in the show that's rather striking. Rei is bandaged up in her underwear undergoing a full-body scan. This procedure is supervised by Ritsuko, who coolly converses with Misato as if none of this stuff with Rei is happening. Despite the fact that Ritsuko's the one supervising it! Not an ounce of concern or compassion. Because that's what abusers do, they divide, conquer, and pit their victims against each other.
It's worth noting that if you look at the Gendo-Ritsuko-Rei dynamic as a warped version of a nuclear family, it aligns very well with what is known about families where the daughter is being sexually abused by the father. Typically, the mother (Ritsuko) in this situation will only tolerate the abuse of her daughter if she is also being abused or if she feels especially powerless. Both of these describe Ritsuko, who thinks of Rei in much the same way Naoko thought of her. Naoko was sleeping with Gendo and being manipulated by him, too. Also, a lot of people in that thread you linked deny that Gendo was sexually abusing Rei because "he thought of her like a daughter." They point to the line in one episode where Gendo says that if his and Yui's child is a girl, they'll name her Rei. But sadly, fathers do sexually abuse their daughters. Even ones who are biologically related.
It's horrible -- nobody wants to think of it, but it's an uncomfortable truth. For far too many men, the definitions of "daughter" and "lover" are not mutually exclusive. I believe that "incest" as a term applies to Gendo's abuse of Rei because he's in a caretaking position, Rei thinks of him as a caretaker, and carries all the baggage that comes along with having an abusive caretaker. Nobody with more than 2 braincells to rub together would say that the Nanami-Touga thing in RGU isn't incest simply because they're not biologically related. Rei's afraid of being abandoned by Gendo, works hard to figure him out, why he treats her the way he does, why she was created, and what to do with herself. Shinji and Rei's Gendo-centric angst are two sides of the same coin; the edge that separates the two is gender.
With all this in mind, the structure of Gendo and Rei's relationship heavily gestures towards the familial. The evageeks users in that thread correctly observe this, but they allow their own naive assumptions about abuse to prevent them from taking the next logical step in their analysis of the show.
Lastly, a major part of Rei's character is her relationship with her body. Any type of trauma and abuse, but especially sexual abuse, has a nasty habit of disconnecting victims from their bodies. A major theme surrounding Rei's character is her body. It's so overwhelmingly obvious that even the dullest viewer would pick up on it. Rei spends a decent chunk of her screentime naked, and her status as a warm body is relevant to Gendo's plan for 3rd impact (he needs Rei because she houses Lilith's soul in a physical form -- this was his own design), the dummy plugs (which run off her decision-making process), and Gendo's abuse of her (she is literally a clone of his dead wife, whom he spends the entire show trying to reunite with).
I hope this answered your question!
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cyphyree · 11 months
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oh, simple thing
where have you gone
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emberwritesinsight · 3 months
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(Ramble below, not very structured)
I'm watching episode 9 again and losing my mind over the scene where Saionji fucking kidnaps Anthy because. I forgot how actually upset Anthy is?
Like. The way Anthy is fucking shouting as Saionji drags her up to the arena. The way she tries to physically stop him from getting in! What the fuck!
The way he just bats her out of the way and we get a shot of her from behind, kneeling on the ground with a hand to her face, but we don't see her face. That's... not normal! Most of the time when Anthy gets slapped in the early series, we get a shot of her afterwards with a bruise.
Here, we don't see her face. But we can see that she's shaking, and the first-watch assumption would be that she's crying, but... I'm not inclined to view it that way given everything that happens after.
The way I read it, Anthy is pissed.
The next time we see Saionji, he's face down in the water. How did he get there? We don't see. On a first viewing, one might just assume that's a negative reaction the arena has to being opened at an inappropriate time- along with all the crazy shit going on inside the arena once Utena gets there. But given Anthy is later shown to have more control over what the arena does than she lets on, and noticeably does her flashiest magic (the sword pull, the transformations) in or on her way to the arena, I think Anthy is behind almost all of that. And I'd say she's also behind the Saionji-almost-drowning bit. You guys might remember the half-joking drawing I made of Anthy, uh, dragging Saionji into the water by his hair, and while she might not have gotten as hands-on about it as that drawing suggests, I still think she's responsible.
So, like... why?
Why does this piss her off so much? I mean, sure, Saionji absolutely has it coming, but Anthy's been through worse. She clearly doesn't like Saionji and messes with him whenever possible, but to attempt murder and then set up an elaborate illusion designed to upset him as much as possible is... a little extreme. I don't think she even goes that far with Nanami, unless you consider the elephants to be legit murder attempts (which I do not- I think that was Anthy scaring Nanami, not trying to kill her, because I can't believe Nanami would survive that many encounters with elephants that actually wanted her dead).
I think the answer is that, for all the shit she takes from the duelists, Saionji is one of the only ones who breaks this many rules. Not only does he mistreat her when they're engaged- something she's used to, but that seems to be at least frowned upon, if not outlawed (given Touga felt the need to call a "stop hitting your girlfriend" meeting in episode 1)- he mistreats her afterwards. He refuses to let her go, he acts as if she still owes him something. And then he goes and pulls this. He kidnaps her, takes her to the arena without a duel scheduled, and tries to enter the arena- all things that are against the rules of this stupid game that Anthy, however much she knows it is a stupid game, lives her whole life around. And he tells her End of the World is responsible, which Anthy knows isn't true, because if Akio were planning something this batshit, she'd know about it! Of course she's angry, this goes well beyond the threshold of nonsense her job usually entails!
I don't know if she was aware of Touga's plan to play the hero for Utena and get Saionji expelled- if so, she obviously wasn't aware of all of it. The freakout on the way up to the arena is too intense for me to read it as anything but genuine. She's shaking with effort trying to stop Saionji from opening the gate. Things do fall perfectly into place for Touga to get between Saionji's sword and a defenseless Utena, but I honestly think Touga's plan may have been to just...
1) Impersonate End of the World and tell Saionji the castle is coming down, this will incentivize him to go up there and break the rules.
2) Tip Utena off that Saionji has kidnapped Anthy.
3) The castle doesn't come down, upsetting Saionji and heating up his inevitable confrontation with Utena enough that he tries to kill her and Touga can step in at the perfect moment.
4) Profit.
I don't think he knew Anthy was going to Do That. For one, the plan was to get Saionji expelled, not kill him- Anthy's stunt there could have ruined the entire plan if Utena hadn't dragged Saionji out of the water. And Touga is drinking the "Rose Bride doesn't have feelings" juice. Evidently, he doesn't put two and two together after this, because he's still beating that drum in episode eleven!
I don't think Akio knew much about this either. Touga is telling him about it over the phone, so Touga didn't tell him, and Anthy didn't know, so she couldn't have either. I think he probably got woken up in the middle of the night by all the chaos and had to dial Touga up after the fact to ask him what the fuck was going on.
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mieowkoid09 · 7 months
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:)
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is this anything
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violet-exorcistt · 1 year
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more utena posting 💥
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unfiltered version
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mimithealpaca · 5 months
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Unveiling the Shocking Truth Behind Utena - You Won't Believe What We Discovered!
(note: massive spoilers for the final episode of Utena)
an ultra high quality shitpost. derived from a meme i made about the situation in a discord server (you can see it in the thumbnail), except i went even harder.
don't mess with utena fans. you'll regret it.
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ghost-in-the-hella · 6 months
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Day 19: "Flowers" from the Shiptober prompt list, featuring Chloe Price and Max Caulfield from Life is Strange reenacting an iconic moment from Shoujo Kakumei Utena's Black Rose Saga. (SKU spoilers ^_^')
[Image ID: Digital drawing all in black outlines of Chloe Price and Max Caulfield from Life is Strange dressed as duelists in Shoujo Kakumei Utena/Revolutionary Girl Utena. Chloe is down on one knee, unarmed and clutching Max's raised arm. Max is sneering down at Chloe, standing up straight and yanking on Chloe's hair with one hand while holding the point of a katana to her throat with the other. End image description.]
You can watch the making of this drawing here!
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andycasadonte · 1 year
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Noble and reckless hero
From 2015
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violetstrations · 1 year
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[ID: a digital drawing of Sumire Yoshizawa and Joker from persona 5 royal. They’re both in their metaverrse clothing. Sumire is pulling Joker up by his hair, gripping it tight as she holds the tip of her sword by his though, snarling as she talks to him. Joker is without his mask, unable to keep himself up as he grips Sumire’s sleeve. He’s gritting his teeth, wincing. The background is a swirl of grey, white, cyan and magenta. End ID]
redrew a frame from rgu with these two because I’ve been having a lot of Sumire emotions and they were very similar to my Wakaba Shinohara emotions. girls who believe they need to be special to have any worth and start resenting their close peers out of bitter envy,,,,,,,
original screenshot below !
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[ID: a screenshot taken from episode 20 of revolutionary girl Utena, with Wakaba Shinohara and Utena Tenjou in the same poses as the previous image. Wakaba is shown as a black rose duelist, gripping Utena by her hair and holding her sword at her throat. End ID]
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Find a thread to pull, and we can watch it unravel
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cyphyree · 11 months
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Adolescence of Utena - drawing/painting session
In the movie's drawing session, Utena tells Anthy that's she wants to be in a relationship with her that's independent of the Rose Bride engagement. She'd like them both to be transparent with each other and to not have to hide anything.
Utena poses nude at Anthy's request, trusting Anthy with her vulnerability, even though it's clearly uncomfortable for her. Utena tells Anthy that it isn't fair that she has to pose nude, but also said that Anthy isn't obligated to either. Anthy willingly poses nude anyway, or rather reveals herself and her wound. (Even if we do ASSUME that Anthy at this moment poses out of obligation rather than willingly, I do think that by the end of the movie, she's acting purely of her own volition)
According to the teacher, the lesson of drawing each other is to "capture your partner's essence" -- so to me, this means to see their "true self". Posing nude then would mean to lay your true self bare. Utena is stripped of her prince garb to show only herself (perhaps showing that she is Not the prince she wants to be) , and Anthy reveals her wound/trauma hidden beneath her clothes. It's a moment of vulnerable honesty that's difficult to share, but it's essentially what Utena was asking for, and it ultimately strengthens her relationship with Anthy. Having only Utena pose nude "isn't fair" because having only one person who is honest makes their relationship imbalanced and unfair. At the same time, Utena doesn't want Anthy to be *obligated* to pose nude either, because that also isn't fair. Both parties must be open to each other of their own free will in order for their relationship to be genuine and healthy.
This contrasts with Akio and Anthy's relationship. Akio is always clothed and the painter, while Anthy is stripped (by him while unconscious) and is always the object being painted. Anthy is constantly made vulnerable against her will while Akio couldn't bother to be open himself. Anthy revealing that she was only *allowing* Akio to paint her, a sign of her having agency, was enough to send Akio into a manbaby-tantrum. He wants to be the sole controller of their relationship so much and couldn't handle the fact that Anthy could have been "controlling" him back.
When Utena discovers Akio's paintings of Anthy, what she really sees is Anthy strewn uncomfortably, naked and blindfolded--her history of being in an abusive, one-sided relationship. Anthy then willingly reveals to Utena the scar left by that relationship.
The drawing session is a genuine, honest, willing conversation between Anthy and Utena. It's not an easy conversation, it's uncomfortable and tense, but it has to happen in order for both girls to truly help each other. At the same time, it's important that both open up of their own free will, since honesty and agency is required of both sides of their relationship. (Again this contrasts Akio and Anthy's unhealthy relationship, where Akio is willfully deceitful and Anthy is unwillingly vulnerable.)
The drawing session marks Utena's growth from the show because now she seeks to know Anthy the person herself, and Anthy's growth in becoming confidently honest and direct with Utena.
As a side note, Utena also mentions that the night before she had an introspective moment with herself. This is another sign that she had grown, since the Utena of the show struggled with being willfully ignorant of her own desires and intentions.
At the end of the movie, both Utena and Anthy are very comfortably nude in each other's embrace. To me, this means that they are now happy being their true selves, and happily loving the other's true self. They are in a genuine relationship, ready to help each other heal and forge a new future together.
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sephirajo · 4 months
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Maybe its just growing up catholic but I see the Black Rose arc as utilizing Confession and Reconciliation, not therapy. The elevator is the confessional, Mikage takes the role of the Priest, the elevator the confessional -- it even has the same sort of screen and at the end you are told what you have to do for Reconciliation and given the prayer to say as you carry it out. Just so happen that penance is killing Anthy.
And confession and the church are still just that dangerous to queer people.
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sea-solaire · 1 month
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Genderfluid people need to stop getting engaged because we keep getting stabbed about it /silly
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