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95zintheirownworld · 2 years
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causesciencethatswhy · 7 months
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Hi! I have just see Jk tracklist and I wanted to share my op -
First: I don't understand why, only because I like Jk as an artist and person, I have to accept blindly every single thing he does. I have my ideas and morals and I apply them consistently. I like seven, I don't like 3D. I am not a prude, simply I find that 3D it's explicit in a dirty way. For example.
So:
• I don't have problems with not writing your lyrics but I'm a little disappointed that in his first album there isn't even 1 or 2 Jk credits. Yes he surely approved and choose carefully but it's not the same thing to really write them, we can't read the lyrics and be like "that's what he think" because we can't be sure that he specifically approved that phrase that we are "analyzing". Meybe that was the only phrase that he doesn't like lol.
• I know he is working hard and I respect him for that, I'm just sorry he is working at something that is not what in my op a lot of fan were expecting (not that I wanted something specific, just listen to the songs and think "oh this is something he think for real)
• I think that all those songs will be more the 'no deep meaning' songs, again, nothing wrong with it. But when you are the frontman of a band famous for the deep meaning of their songs people have expectations. So for me the problem is that I and other fans wish to have from bts members the meanings, the ideas, the relatable lyrics, the personal style not songs given by random people. So I personally understand who is disappointed and find it valid.
Still I respect his work.
• note: tae doesn't wrote his lyrics too, but in his case Idk if he received the songs or if the songs were made for him, that is a little big difference.
Let me know if you know and what you think! Ty
Hi anon,
Like I said earlier, you're allowed to want different music from him, of course you are. You're totally free in deciding what music of jungkook's you want to listen to and if you prefer seven over 3d, I'm not going to judge you or think you're a prude. It's about preference at the end of the day and I'm not at all advocating people to blindly support the artist you stans music even if you don't like it. Because it's all about preference at the end of the day, and if the disappointment posts I saw were simply just commenting on "Oh this type of music isnt my preference " then I wouldn't mind it.
The problem gets when people are making so many assumptions on the type of artist jungkook is, and judging his decisions in bad faith that are bothering me. It's the constant, "he's korean so I don't know why he feels like he needs to sing in English " that's bothering me.
For your first point, I get it. There's not a lot of theorizing you can do on the lyrics when he's not written them himself. It's actually what stumped me a little with layover because when I had read the four leaf clover lyric in Rainy Days , I got excited thinking it was a reference to Vmin and their four leaf clover story before realising that tae didn't have any writing credits. But then as I thought about it more, there's no way to know whether tae discussed what he wanted to convey what wanted each song to be about and he might have even relayed the four leaf clover story to the writer. Or maybe it's a complete coincidence ! So yes, on that front I get that it takes away from a fun part of fan culture because you don't exactly know what they're singing from real experience and what is just a fantasy. It's always nice to learn new nuggets about your favorite artists and the way they think, buts it not that definitive to me personally, but it may be to you so I get that.
Second point, I mean sure you can be disappointed your expectations of his album don't match up with his own vision, but there really is not much we can do beyond that is it? At the end of the day, he will release the music which he feels is right for him and as long as it's not something terribly offensive or something, we can't really hold it against them for having a different creative vision to what fans had for them. Of course you're allowed to feel disappointed, but people acting like he's done some personal offense against him through his creative decisions is what bothers me.
I honestly think it's not fair to already dismiss all the tracks to have no meaning before they're even out . We literally have zero clue as to what the songs are going to sound like. As to the deep lyrics thing, honestly I think people hold bts to too high a pedestal with how deep their music is. They've talked about silly crushes, wanting to get a girls attention, sex and a lot of other topics which army's now claim they're 'above'. It didn’t sound like that because they were singing in korean and had credits from a member. If it's solely about deep lyrics, then while bts have some incredibly deep and moving lyrics but They've also had incredibly silly ones. If it's about the cool wordplay they do in korean which you're not getting in english releases, then I would say let's wait and see what golden has. English has a lot of avenues for equally fun wordplay/metaphors and we simply don't know enough about golden to have an opinion on this.
So in conclusion, you're allowed to have expectations from their music but I simply don't think it's fair to suddenly turn on jungkook, his artistry and his performances because his work doesn't match what you had in mind.
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btsandvmin · 3 years
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A Vmin throwback - 2019 (Part 1)
3 years I have been making this post now, and every year people keep saying Vmin is dead, less close or even fake. I usually say: Do you have eyes? 
Vmin surely proved you wrong this time and I think at this point their bond is hard to deny. This post has been really difficult to make, both because of the amount of moments and also because it’s more difficult to find good gifs for everything and I can’t include twitter videos in this type of post. Just know there was a lot of moments I had to skip.
2019 was the year of the pig, aka. the year of everyone born 1995. So in this year of Vmin of course they have given us plenty of moments to gush about. In fact despite the break we have gotten spoiled with a lot of really great Vmin moments. So without much further ado let’s get this started!
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There is a lot more Vmin under the cut. You have been warned.
I will cheat a little and start with Taehyung’s birthday bomb, which wasn’t released until 2019. Vmin were very cute in it.
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The first time I saw this I couldn’t believe it. Who looks at someone like that while they are feeding them?
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The year started of with a lot of good Vmin selcas, but even though we might not have gotten many tweets in total what we did get was still great!
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And don’t you all dare forget that Jimin posted this the day after Valentines!
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Then admittedly we had nothing in terms of selcas for almost the rest of the year, but thankfully Jimin came through and tweeted for Taehyung’s birthday.
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Something big they did this year was of course making songs! Jimin released Promise right at the end of 2018 and Tae (the best photographer) provided the cover photos.
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One month later Tae released Scenery. But not without Jimin accidentally spoiling it first.
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He was very apologetic about it.
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They both supported each other a lot and gave us a lot of cute moments in relations to their songs.
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Jimin even sang Scenery and basically just promoted and loved it a lot. But even that was nothing compared to what was to come... I am talking about Winter Bear of course, which Jimin loves so much and has promoted more than anything ever before.
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He did three vlives in a row where he gushed about the song and promoted it, and even told us stories about him and Taehyung. 
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He also mentioned how he wanted to keep the song and his friend (Taehyung) to himself. The name of the first Vlive was even Say hello to me, a line from the song. Basically Jimin is both supportive and possessive in regards to Taehyung.
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He sang it constantly and told us he listened to it every night falling asleep to it and even dreaming about it. 
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True love and support right there! He also gifted Tae the two bears he used on the cover.
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Movin on let’s look at the Run episodes of this year, because as usual they provided us with tons of Vmin moments.
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It’s actually kind of overwhelming so I had to skip a lot because right off the bat they just...
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First Run episode of the year and we already were in for a great start! And who knew we would get to see Vmin hold hands for minutes? I mean, Vmin seems to just have glued their hands together this year.
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Stick to my side might as well be the Vmin slogan of the year. :P
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And Run just kept on giving…
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Tae wants Jimin to be sexy. But not too sexy….
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Of course they also took selcas we will never get to see…
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And some we did get to see…
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The Canada episodes truly blessed us.
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We even got to see Vmin share a bed for the first (but not the last) time, even if I don’t have a pic included.
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They don’t even have to be on the same team...
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Or even win… They still somehow congratulate each other.
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Wo do love Vmin on the same team though.
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They have both just seemed really happy and carefree this year!
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I don’t even know how many times Jimin has said I love you to Taehyung this year… But it’s a lot.
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Actually we have seen Jimin trust Tae a little too much.
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But let’s move on, because we have much more to go through. This year we actually got some really good vlive moment from Vmin (besides the ones for Winter Bear I mean.). It started with the Grammy vlive.
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We had Vmin doing, something… In the Hobi birthday Vlive.
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And not soon after we got the infamous Rkive Vlive. Showing us some of the weirdest Vmin behaviours yet.
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The clinginess is a lot… I see why they might avoid Vlives alone, because they can’t even behave when they are with someone.
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I already mentioned the Winter Bear vlives.
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The year also ended well with some nice Vmin from Jin’s Bday Vlive.
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We of course also had a comeback with Boy with Luv that Taehyung made sure to add some Vmin to right away.
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And Vmin really made sure to make this their song. Love is nothing stronger...
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We also can’t forget the Lights MV.
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And then for the tour. Obviously we got a ton of Vmin moments.
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Special shoutout to Hong Kong.
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I mean tours are always good, but the amounts of hugs and happy Vmin.
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Tae holding Jimin’s hand to comfort him in Brazil when Jimin was sick and couldn’t sing well.
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We also got Tae comforting Jimin in London.
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And with this sweet moment, that I was lucky enough to see live, let’s end this post. It’s too long anyways, and will likely crash for many of you. As you may know I started this post in late 2019 but had so much trouble making it as Tumblr didn’t want to save my changes. I tried to remake it several times and at some point just gave up.
Then, I realized that the post is too long anyway and I might as well just post what I had if it managed to save the end part. Meaning this text here. So basically all of this post except this ending part was written and put together years ago. I know it says part 1, but I am not sure there will be a part 2 considering the problem with long posts. Just know 2019 was a great year for Vmin (as every year is), and that I didn’t even get to include everything (note the absence of Bon Voyage for example).  But finally it is done! I am so glad it saved this part and the tags. T_T
Thank you for reading, liking and reblogging (if tumblr allows it), and sorry for the delay.  💜
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thoughts-on-bangtan · 3 years
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I’m guessing all Vmins were right Sweet night is about the past. I guess it’s why Tae give it for the movie instead of for his mixtape. I’m guessing JM gave him the ok to do so and why he’s been silent about it cause it’s over between them. TK are making it too obvious. jk treating JM like they aren’t friends suddenly. jk in purple/green all the time. v not shutting up about jk suddenly. JM is not handling it well. I guess it’s why v said he likes JM the most (guess as friend) cause he feels bad
Admin 1: “Sure, go and release a song easily identified as being about us and your hope of me giving you a second chance with a hopeful ending seeing as we aren’t together anymore, sounds like a nice idea to me. Go, Taehyungie, do it. Then also let me hold your hand on national TV and show it to the cameras happily, smile sweetly at you while we stand next to the president, talk about our song and memories and how much they mean to me, perform this song that's essentially a love letter to our bond in a live-streamed concert for almost 800k people, and when you tell me you like me the most, I’ll say I like you a lot as well. Because we’re over and not even friends anymore.” Sounds like some sound logic to me, and I mean that in the most sarcastic way possible to humans.
Honestly, either I’ve just been around too long and all these asks are starting to sound the same and impossibly uncreative, or they are just getting more farfetched and bizarre. If you want a proper answer, I told you, bring something to the table that hasn’t been talked to dust yet, or leave it be.
To quote Tae, the man who knows best what he feels: 95z is love.
Until he (and Jimin) changes his mind, this is the answer I have for any and all Xkooker ask, as well as any other ship involving Tae or Jimin.
Also yes, I did see the hate against Jimin that exploded yesterday, we even have an ask about it in our inbox, and honestly these types of questions, anon? Yeah, you're not helping, in fact, you are part of the problem, just saying.
Admin 2: Man, man, man!
We didn't really want to answer these types of questions anymore, but this ask takes the trophy when it comes to delulu/nonsensical questions, so I decided to answer it after all. Because it’s hot and I need a distraction.
Also, this question basically confirms most of our suspicions we’ve had so far. Let me explain.
Folks, who is behind these kinds of stories which are being presented and preached as truth on various sns?
I don't believe this is any single persons invention (in this case, that anon came up with this idea “without help”), if anything it’s the result of delulu, and often times toxic, scenarios and stories created by a group of people intended to further a narrative and actively disrupt the “peace” within ARMY (or at least that’s what it feels like since all these things do is ignite hate and toxicity). Where is the origin of it all? Ship centric YouTube channels.
It is very evident that these "imaginative creators/shippers" behind those videos have no consideration of the consequences and harm their content does because, in my opinion, the more controversial and clickbait-y, the better. You know why? More views means more money, which is the goal of it all. We’ve spoken about this before, I believe, how these videos on “ship evidence” and “ship drama” for Xkookers are the most beloved topics of these videos and thus make up one of the easiest means of generating income, in some cases even something upward of $80k a year depending on the channels CPM, sub and view count.
The average person has to work hard all year round to make this amount of money, if they even have a job that brings in that much. So, it is not surprising that these content creators go very far in their fantasies to support their claims and keep their viewers/costumers engaged and coming back.
I wouldn't be surprised if the creators (or rather the whole lot of them) of both Xkook camps are basically the same people, because their ideas, conclusions and explanations all sound the same and follow the same nonsensical patters. Which is why we’ve already told you many times that the best thing you can do is stay away from this type of content altogether.
So! Let's analyze this ask a little more:
"…Vmins were right Sweet Night is about the past. I guess it’s why Tae give it for the movie instead of for his mixtape."
Ok, let's say Tae wrote "Sweet Night" for Jimin, but in the meantime he has changed his feelings (that's how I understand the question) so he gave the song to the Itaewon Class OST instead of putting it on his mixtape. I wanted to note that Taehyung's mixtape isn't finished yet and we will probably wait many more months for it.
It seems to me that Taehyung really wanted to show his feelings to the world, so he saw an opportunity with the OST, and therefore a quicker release for SN, and took it. The fact is that SN is about the past, but there is also hope for the future, hope for the fulfillment of wishes, which likely did come true judging by how Tae said he wrote SN during tour abroad (so sometimes summer/early autumn 2019 perhaps) and we saw vmin holding hands at the airport on Tae’s birthday in 2019 when they thought no one would see, just three months before SN was released (and likely long schedules for said release since these types of things don’t just happen overnight) and many, many other such things.
“I suspect that JM gave him his consent and why he kept silent about it because it was over between them, TK makes it too obvious. "
And I suspect that Jimin was very touched by Sweet Night and ultimately wrote Friends in which him and Tae sing: “Many promises and memories / and more to come / Someday, when these cheers die down, stay hey / You are my soulmate”
The fact is that BTS didn't say much about SN, but it was the same with many of their other SC releases as well, so it wasn’t unusual, especially since SN came out while they were promoting MOTS7. Also, in my opinion, the content of this song is too personal to be able to describe/discuss the song in detail beyond the bit that was mentioned during Tae’s vlive with Namjoon. During a Japanese interview, the members basically confirmed/pointed out how romantic Tae is and when SN came up, Namjoon “coincidentally” turned around toward Jimin who has a similar facial expression of pressed lips as he did during Let’s BTS.
"JK treats JM as if they suddenly weren't friends"
And here I have caught you, dear anon. I think you're not even looking at the original BH content, but that instead you are basing your conclusions and opinions on manipulative YT ship videos instead because if you would’ve watched the original content like RUN, the recent SOWOOZOO concerts, and interviews, you wouldn’t arrive anywhere near such thoughts and conclusions.
Jimin and JK are still close, also Jimin calls JK his little brother (dongsaeng) and JK describes Jimin (or associates these words with him) as charm and cute. Does there seem to be any kind of conflict between Jimin and Jungkook? Certainly not, no.
„JK always in purple / green. v not shutting up about jk suddenly."
You mean their microphone colors? I wanted to point out how Tae wore a yellow shirt during the concert, which is the same color as the chick emoji ARMY associates with Jimin as well as his mic color. LOL.
As far as I know, when Tae has something to say, he will say it, and if he is praising JKs songs, and especially You Eyes Tell which we know is a song Tae liked a lot, that is a good thing. It simply means Tae appreciates the song JK created, appreciates and values his talents and hard work. If the entire band praises Namjoon and his lyrics/contributions on their songs, does that automatically also mean all six are “not shutting up about him” and therefore must be in love and in a relationship with him, or it’s an indicator of it? If anything, it’s merely an indicator that Tae is an honest person and JK did a good job on those songs. Easy as that.
That's my favorite part of the question: "JM doesn't handle it that well. I think that's why I said he likes JM best (as a friend, I guess) because he feels bad."
Personally, I consider myself a person with a great imagination, but I wouldn't really come up with a scenario like that.
How cruel of a person do you think Tae is? Imagine they aren’t together anymore or close anymore, or whatever else you tried to insinuate anon, and then Tae would go on national TV and do this whole thing of asking for the card in his letter to Jimin to be blurred and then said “Jimin-ah I like you the most”? To do something as hurtful as that you either have to be a sadist or an asshole and I’d like to believe even you, anon, don’t think in such a way about Tae, of all people.
Perhaps that’s something dumb teenagers or kids would do, but not adult men in their mid-twenties who see each other every single day, are part of the same team and have to work with each other. This is real life, not a soap opera. If these types of dramas really would be happening within BTS, they would’ve stopped existing as a band a long time ago because no one would be able to live with such actions and people for a prolonged amount of time. BTS are grown men, best friends, even found family, and not actors on a badly written TV show for our entertainment where they act out increasingly stupid relationship drama in which JK somehow ended up being the toy going from hand to hand like he’s not even an actual person anymore.
In summary, this question was written by a child, teenager, or an emotionally immature person naïve enough to buy into outlandish ship narratives.
Anon, hear what the members had to say during FESTA 2021. Make your own conclusions and stop watching and believing the nonsense on YouTube. As Tae said: Get out of your imagination. It’s not good in there.
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lesbian-vmin · 3 years
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VMIN-BIASED
People say it’s obvious that Tae is Jimin-biased because he always posts Jimin in weverse . But people forget that Jimin is Tae-biased too. Here are some proof:
1. Remember that RUN BTS punishment shirt that Jimin designed? Who was on the picture? Yes, Jimin and TAEHYUNG.
2. FRIENDS, a song written and produced by Jimin, who was it about? Yes, memories of Jimin himself and TAEHYUNG. What do they call each other? SOULMATES.
3. PROMISE, Jimin’s first non-album solo single. What do we see in the cover? “special thanks to v, best photographer”. Yes, TAEHYUNG.
4. In some Run BTS and Bangtan Gayo eps, when Jimin is asked who he wants to team up with.. His answer: TAEHYUNG. Also in BV when asked who he wants to share a room with, answer: also Taehyung
5. WINTER BEAR, Tae’s first Full English song. Who gave the two bears in the cover? YES. JIMIN. Who posted in Weverse and twitter calling it Baby Bear? Who talked about it in three different vlives? Who learned how to play it using a recorder, and showed in an ep of RUN BTs and one of the Vlives. Yes, that’s right, it is JIMIN.
6. In Bring the Soul, Dynamite MV, Blue and Grey when asked what is his favorite part.. Jimin’s answer: Taehyung’s Part. In Run BTS Behind 42, at the very last part it says [Jimin’s Top Pick] “Taehyung was so cute, the ultimate of lovely.”
7. Jimin naturally loves to compliment Taehyung. ALWAYS is an understatement. Lol. He does it with or without Tae around too. He said a funny compliment in Run Ep. 71. During their morning mission, Tae was saying he danced around at the balcony while Jimin and the members are playing. JM didn’t see it obviously but he still sweetly said ‘Really? You’re really good at it’. I mean, he doesn’t even need to see what Tae did, he just automatically compliments him.
8. “I’M YOUR ANGEL”, who does Jimin say it to multiple times? Taehyung.
9. “When talking about Taehyung and I.. There’s no end.”
And the list goes on. Maybe you or your readers can add more too? 💜
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Honestly, it’s like this a lot. I mean. Especially when it comes to Vmin, but I think it boils right down to people focusing on Jimin and how he’s treated and not how he treats others/how the other members are treated. It’s why you see videos and posts everywhere that call him the “favorite” of BTS, but I don’t think he is? If anyone is, it’s more like Jungkook. But each member of BTS has a member that their closer to. For Yoongi? I always got the feeling that Jungkook was his favorite. Namjoon? Taehyung. Hoseok? Jungkook. Seokjin? All the babies. And I’m not saying the member I listed is this members favorite. It’s just the one I’ve noticed they favor more from the maknae line.
It’s really just people focusing on what they want to see. Jimin takes care of all the members, yes. But he especially takes care of Taehyung. He clearly favors Taehyung out of the rest of the group. I’m not saying he likes Taehyung better or the members less. He loves them all. He just loves Taehyung differently. And it doesn’t have to be romantic differently. It can be any kind of differently. But it’s pretty clear that Taehyung has a special place in his heart compared to the rest.
Anyway.
10. Bought Taehyung a dream catcher when he had a nightmare. A dream catcher that Taehyung likely still has hanging in his room if the lyrics of Friends are anything to go by.
11. Kept in contact with Taehyung when he couldn’t join the group for BV1 and BV3 for different reasons.
12. Forced everyone, including Yoongi, to say “I love you” in a video that he sent to Taehyung. And then sent his own separate video/photo to Taehyung that we wouldn’t have known about if Taehyung hadn’t shown us. So it either wasn’t included in editing, or (more likely) Jimin did it in private. (BV3)
There are plenty more examples. People can either add some, or I’ll update later as more comes to mind.
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lokisasylum · 3 years
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Tagged by @parkandblues​
Open your Spotify ‘On Repeat’ and the first five songs are the soundtrack to your personal rom-com. 
[I HAD TO DO THIS SHIT ALL OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE THE FUCKING TUMBLR POST EDITOR GLITCHED AND DELETED EVERYTHING I HAD WRITTEN. SO I TURNED IT OFF =____= ]
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That’s one fucked up rom-com, Daisy.
TRACK 01. ‘Butter’ - So I take it this is the Opening Sequence where Character A (protagonist) is shown living the good life. Perfect job, perfect home, perfect neighborhood, and perfect love life alongside Character B. With whom they’ve known since they were childhood friends and later fell in love a-la-soulmates style. Its like nothing could go wrong for them.
TRACK 02. ‘Broken Heart of Gold’ – This the part of the story with the imminent and sudden break up. CharacterB is leaving A for some unknown reason, leaving them heartbroken and walking home alone under the rain. Once home, A begins to see how ridiculously big the place now seems with the absence of B becoming more evident as the minutes tick by. But rather than sitting around sulking about it, A begins to gather everything they can get their hands on (photos, clothes, love letters, ect) and proceeds to burn them on the chimney. Vowing to close their heart to everyone and never fall in love again.   
TRACK 03. ‘WHO’ – It’s been 2 years since the breakup. Enter Character C (A’s best bud), who won’t stop pestering A about not going out enough and being such a loner. So like each and every time A caves with a smile to their best friend and agrees to be dragged out to their favorite spot at a local pub to let loose and have some fun. At some point when C gets pulled to the dance floor, A bumps into someone at the bar area who turns out to be their ex lover, B. B tries to talk to A and explain their side and WHY they had to leave, but A is having none of it. They’re not doing this again, it’s been too long, what good are excuses and “I’m sorries” at this point? It won’t take back the pain it inflicted. In the end A tries to walk away from B, the same way B did to them 2 years ago, but B reminds them of the happier times they shared before the separation and how they never stopped thinking about A all the time they spent away from each other and how they’re ready to come back home, this time for good. A is conflicted, but still has feelings for B. Where there was fire ashes remain, they say. That night the two leave the pub together (after dropping off C) and return to what was once their home and make love. (cheesy af, I know)
TRACK 04. ‘Utai IV: Reawakening’ – PLOT TWIST! A is actually a cyborg and they’re just waking up the following morning at a lab after being repaired from the damage they endured during a battle. The first face that comes into view is that of B, another cyborg who’s also the one taking care of/repairing A. B wastes no time in placating A for their recklessness and “I told you so’s”, while A rolls their eyes and throws back some snarky remark that ends with the two arguing childishly until a heavy silence falls between them. Seeing as there’s nothing more to say A begins to retire from the room when B asks them what they dreamed about, but A insists that “it was nothing” and leaves the room.
TRACK 05. ‘Life Goes On’ – Ending scene with A walking out into the rooftop just in time to catch a glimpse of the sunset as well as their world around them. A semi-post apocalyptic scenery meets their gaze. Memories of the past flood their mind, something really bad happened to the world many, many years ago. It all started right after that night… it was March 2020 back then...and B… B had saved A’s life more times than they can count. Suddenly B comes out to join them on the rooftop and smoke a cigarette. The two remain in silence until it begins to get dark and a few stars illuminate the sky, when suddenly B says: “I never got to thank you.”
-“What for?”-
-“For letting me back into your life that night.”-
The two smile at each other once again and the scene ends with A leaning their head against B’s shoulder.
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Not gonna lie... this would make a GREAT jikook, vmin or yoonmin fic XD (which reminds me that I DO have something very similar planned for some time ago, just... havent had the time to actually write it TT).
Anyways, I tag: @utopiajeon​ , @taefltrs​ (because you’re a new follower), and anyone else who wants to do it. BUT YOU DON’T HAVE TO WRITE A WHOLE ASS ESSAY LIKE I DID... I WAS BORED AF.
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nekathyran · 4 years
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FESTA 2020 - Subunit interviews - Vmin
Hello there~ Now that Festa is over, I can finally breathe and analyse everything. It was a ride for all vminies, that’s for sure!
I want to talk about the Vmin Subunit interview. A lot of very interesting things were said, so buckle up, that will be a long post!
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With the song and now the first performance of Chingu, we know that Jimin wanted it to be cute and funny. Everytime they talked about it, they focused on the first part - the one talking about their youth and developing friendship.
Surprisingly (or not), they are very shy about the “let’s-always-stay-together-my-soulmate” part. During the performance, they barely sang it face to face.
When Jimin mentions the “cuteness” of the song, Taehyung says that he did not expect such a lightweight song, and that’s very interesting.
[To be continued under the cut]
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Taehyung said that he expected them to do a “weighty” and “serious” song. Why would a song about a blooming friendship be such a serious matter?
Like always, Jimin’s body language says everything. They surely discussed the question many times : Taehyung prefers serious and romantic songs (Sweet Night being the latest example).
So Taehyung expected to do a serious song about their relationship. But we know that romantic songs between two men are a big no no : Tae’s Christmas Song is still in boxes. Jimin adopted the practical and pragmatic option : doing a lightweight song about youth and friendship, so the song is less controversial. It screams “we’re only good friends”, and at the same time the “soulmate” part is still deep and serious. It surely was the only way to release a song about their relationship without being censored all the way.
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That’s why the duality of Chingu is fascinating. It wasn’t “predictable” because even with the cute-friendship-part, it still had the serious-soulmate-part.
About the question “What changed after spending their teenage and twenties together” :
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Soulmates at their finest <3 It’s interesting that Jimin mentions patience two times. I remember Jimin’s letter to himself in BV3 :
Be next to people I want to be with Do things I want to do for a long time Do everything I want to do later It will happen at some point
That seems to be Jimin’s philosophy concerning his relationship with Taehyung : be patient. Now is not a good time - in the future they will be able to live peacefully together. One day when this cheer dies down, stay hey You are my soulmate
I think Jimin and Taehyung disagreed on the publicity of their relationship, but they finally accepted the fact that they need to keep it a secret. Taehyung is still out there writing romantic songs about Jimin (and apparently only vminies understand everything *cough* 4 O’Clock *cough*), but nothing is too obvious, because they also keep the distance and friendzone each other all the time.
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Okay, that’s incredibly cute. Their relationship has so much more to be, and they want to keep building it stronger than ever. <3
Now let’s talk a moment about 4 O’Clock, shall we. 
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Taehyung says that he wrote 4 O’Clock after the park-incident. Jimin acts surprised, like he didn’t know that. He looks right, left, at the camera - he seems shy and avoiding. No wonder why, since 4 O’Clock is an ambiguous romantic song - Jimins wonders if it’s okay to say that in front of the camera.
Taehyung doesn’t understand why Jimin seems to have forgotten that fact, and says that he already told him.
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Even if Taehyung already told him, Jimin says he had no idea. He could have honestly forgotten that fact, who knows. To hide his embarrassment, he jokes about the incident, trying to close the subject.
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Taehyung surely knows that Jimin wants to avoid the subject in front of the camera, but nonetheless, he repeats it : this is seriously how he wrote that song. Jimin jokes again and repeats “you can’t do this” : you can’t go around revealing things like that Tae!
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To end this interview, I really was shocked about the GIANT CUT here. Taehyung was saying “We always say it to each other” - and then he was cut. His answer is edited and we will never know. But us Vminies know that it was something along the lines of I love you or something. It apparently was judged inappropriate by the editors, who cutted to them saying a neutral “Good work”.
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Tae’s words are surprising, because the only very unexpected things that were said in this edited interview was the reveal about 4 O’Clock, or more details about the Dumpling incident. Option 1 : Taehyung thought that this information really was unexpected by us Option 2 : they said more things and these things were edited out.
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Jimin says that they don’t know how this interview will be edited and published - so they don’t really know which segments were cut. When Vmin talk about their relationship, there’s so much to say and so much to keep secret that it’s delicate.
Aaaaaaand we end this on the famous Vmin-Friendzone-Thingy.
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They really want to convince us that they are just some very, very ordinary friends. Jimin could mean by that that even if they’re famous, it’s an ordinary friendship like every other. But we know that their bond is a very special one.
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Taehyung’s words could have a double meaning here. It could mean : “We’re just two boys in love. It’s not special. We’re not different than any other people. Don’t find it awkward”. Since Korea is not very open to LGBT+ issues, and there are still improvement to see all over the world on this particular question, it’s a sensitive subject. Taehyung is joking around : yes I have written a romantic song about my best friend, no it’s not weird, yes we like to talk about our relationship, no it’s still not weird.
And voilà, my thoughts about the Vmin interview. These are my personal thoughts, and I do not possess the power to read Tae’s and Jimin’s mind, and I do not know anything about the truth of their relationship. I still hope that you enjoyed this analysis! Have a good day~
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vlovers19 · 4 years
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Vmin bond = underrated. Never seen any confusion or doubt when it comes to others popular ship. but when we talk about Vmin there goes the "false friendship" allegations. you're right can't blame them, on camera they don't seems closer like that. sometimes you just see Jimin being the only one who always interact with him while Tae interact more with the others. So people fall into what they see and use it to descredits their relationship. Well can't lie sometime i'm a little bit confused too.
Hello, If you notice, I have been taking my time in responding to asks lately. I've been trying to sort out my private matters. After doing so, I think I'm presently in the right frame of mind to deal with asks.
So, to begin with, let's examine their behaviors. Vmin's behavior has always been something of a confusion especially in recent years. If we take a look at them now comparing their relationship to how it was in the past, you will no doubt notice a big difference that leaves you asking yourself; Does Taehyung hate Jimin?
It is very true that their relationship is underrated and quite puzzling which makes it all the more suspicious. They say one thing and yet, do another completely different thing.
Now the big question here is why does Taehyung treat Jimin differently from the other members especially when they are in public? That is, with coldness. He seems quite affectionate with the others while with Jimin, he gets distant especially when the other is initiating affection. He's affectionate and does a lot of of PDA. Yet, why does he hesitate when it comes to Jimin?
There could be various reasons for this and I will explain my own version of it. Let me remind you that this is merely a speculation of mine and might not necessarily be true.
Now to me, there isn't really a platonic explanation to why Taehyung seems distant with Jimin. They obviously consider themselves best friends but why isn't that friendship of theirs displayed with each other. Why does it seem like Taehyung likes to distance himself from Jimin. From what I know, this distance began from 2016 when they both stopped doing vlive together and generally started to be apart from each other. (Probably when they started seeing each other seriously). It became more pronounced after the group started filming their documentary in 2018, it all just started to seem worse.
When looking at the lyrics of their song friends, you'll get to discover that not everything seemed rosy between the two of them. They have had both had ups and downs throughout their years of knowing each other but they eventually learned to overcome it and appreciate each other (and are still learning) but despite all these, what is the reason for Taehyung seeming cold to Jimin?
Jimin and Taehyung have always been the most physically affectionate out of everyone in the group. They just love expressing their affections to people however there are some cases when public display of affection isn't something that can be done so easily.
What is PDA to celebrities? It's simply fan service. It's just like acting for the cameras. However, i feel that when you take someone very seriously, fan service begins to seem a bit off. Acting seems quite difficult. Now, Jimin and Taehyung have very different personalities. It isn't difficult for Jimin to display PDA because that's naturally the kind of person he is. Affectionate and loving.
But for Taehyung, it could be quite difficult to do so. To act towards a person he takes very seriously. It could also be one of the possible reasons why they avoid vlive. Because they have to act. Some of the lives seem scripted and monitored especially since the group got popular. Let's say since 2016. If Vmin where is some kind of complicated relationship, then it wouldn't be good if they accidentally slip up and say things they aren't supposed to say.
If we compare his relationship with others to his relationship with Jimin, his behavior seems a bit petty and absurd. He often initiates affection with the other members. With Yoongi, it's like he's forcing him. It's often hilarious but Jimin mostly always has to initiate with him. However, it's not an issue for him since he's naturally like that.
However, when Taehyung decides to intitiate affection, it isn't because he has to act but because he genuinely wants to.
There are some examples.
1. When Jimin was sick during one of their performances and had to perform his parts sitting on a chair.
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2. When Jimin was also sick during one of their tours. Taehyung even held his hands and they went down the slide together.
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3. When Jimin was heavily emotional at Wembley stadium during the speak yourself tour.
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4. When they won an award at GDA. Taehyung actually made Jimin wrap his hands around his waist while they where going to receive their award.
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Let's also not forget the spontaneous bouts of affection from Taehyung that sometimes leaves Jimin unprepared.
1. Rm's vlive. Jimin was shocked and unprepared with Taehyung's display of affection that he rudely told him his mouth stinks to push him away.
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2. When they danced crazily as if they where in the club on live TV (nothing could be edited). That crazy club dancing happened the day before Taehyung's birthday. (Taehyung actually initiated this crazy moment)
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3. When Taehyung gave Jimin a glass figurine (can't really describe it) with a couple kissing inside that left Jimin quite unprepared. He eventually hid it away but we all still saw. (Can't find a video of this moment)
4. When Taehyung ran on stage into a shocked Jimin's arms minutes after Jimin had suddenly given him a kiss on top of his head.
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5. Bon voyage season four. When Taehyung called out to an oblivious Jimin in the snow and they suddenly enacted a play and started to tumble in the snow together.
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6. Or this gay panic moment when Taehyung initiated affection and the first thing shocked Jimin thought of was to push him away.
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But on the rare occasion when Taehyung decides to return Jimin's affections on stage, things get quite intense. I wanted to post more pics and gifs but for now, I'm limited.
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(There are many other underrated moments which people have chosen to ignore but these ones stand out to me)
Now, if Taehyung really disliked Jimin, why would he want to sing a song friends with him? Why would he describe Jimin as an angel whom he couldn't believe he had fought with when they argued over dumplings. Why would he insist on singing a rejected Christmas song he had personally written with Jimin? Why would he refer to Jimin as his soulmate? Why would he say 95 liners is love.
The response varies. To antis, their relationship is fake. They are simply pretending. To solos, they aren't seeing what the fuss is all about when they act one way and totally behave another. They are mostly interested in promoting their favorite member. To other shippers, they don't like each other because they are fighting for love. So many reasons but it all still boils down to one thing Fan service.
For someone who doesn't like Jimin, why would he even bother acting like this? To me, he just takes Jimin pretty seriously and finds it hard to act in public probably risking exposing himself. As you can see from the above, Taehyung can be quite impulsive putting both himself and Jimin in awkward situations that requires one of them to act smart immediately to save the situation.
Anyway, Jimin isn't stupid. He wouldn't be forcing himself on to someone who according to some people doesn't like him. He wouldn't try producing a song and singing it with that same someone who doesn't like him, not even for the sake of fan service especially since people aren't that crazy over their ship. For fanservice to actually be fan service, both people have to acknowledge it. They have to be in it together to create a fantastic show for the audience. To get people excited and riled up to talk about them but apparently, vmin isn't like that because there is no fanservice involved. Jimin just wants to be around Taehyung because he likes to even though he seems outwardly cold. He probably knows he has to be like that because of his persona. He has to be careful.
Like I said, this is my own opinion. If people are still going on saying that vmin's relationship is fake, then that is their business. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. As far as I know, they are the ones who know their relationship best. We are only mere spectators. We can only speculate since we aren't living their lives for them. Anyway, Thanks for this ask and have a great day.
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vminian · 4 years
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Chingu
친구 (Chingu or “Friends”) was a labor of love for Park Jimin and an ode to one of the rarest, most beautiful male friendships ever brought to the attention of the public.
Looking through the album credits for Map of the Soul: 7, only 2 songs on the whole album list a BTS member as a main producer. Most of the songs have one or more member as a contributing producer/writer (contributors are the names in the parenthesis under the list of producers); that being said, the only two songs with members as main producers are Suga on “Shadow” and...you guessed it...Jimin on “Friends.”
I noticed that on his solo song “Filter,” Jimin actually has no producing credits on it whatsoever. Why? It’d be normal to assume he would want direct creative control on his solo.
From what we know, all the BTS members had intense schedules over the past year...so I think none of the members had time to focus on writing and producing full-time. Thus, my guess is, with Jimin’s busy schedule, he only had time to pour his heart and energy into one thing--and how beautiful that he chose to pour his limited time and love into a long-awaited duet he would record with his best friend in the whole world.
The song chronicles Vmin’s friendship through the years, from when they met in high school in Seoul to the current day. The song mentions the duo’s sometimes rocky relationship at the beginning, when they were still young and headstrong...and forced to spend all their time together, whether they liked it or not, between school, work, and living arrangements. (Which, let’s be real, of course two young people would butt heads sometimes if forced to spend every moment with each other!)
But as time passed and the two matured, their relationship smoothed out and became richer and gained depth in a way that very few male friendships seem to do. “Friends” is a celebration of that friendship, and is filled with inside jokes like Taehyung’s love of Jimin’s miniature-sized pinky, Jimin’s gifting Taehyung with a dreamcatcher during Summer Package 2017, and Taehyung’s old nickname of ‘alien.’ 
Yet putting all the fun aside, the song beautifully captures Jimin’s fondness and gratitude for the past 7 years of having Taehyung in his life, and he boldly claims he hopes they stay together not only when all their fame dies down, but for eternity. The gospel choir joining them in the joyous, repeated refrain of “You are my soulmate!” is everything summed up about how Jimin feels about his relationship with Taehyung--and I suspect equally how Taehyung feels about Jimin.
I feel so lucky Vmin decided to share this declaration of their feelings and friendship with us. Jimin could have written an impersonal, radio-friendly pop song for his unit with Tae, but he didn’t. He wrote about something dear to his heart and created something beautiful for he and his soulmate to do together and then share with fans. Despite what skeptics may argue, this wasn’t a song to capitalize on or commercialize the 95z friendship. Jimin personally oversaw the production of this song from beginning to end, and he and Taehyung willingly recorded it together because out of the many things that have happened during the 7 years since they debuted, they both agree that their unusually close relationship made those years meaningful. In my mind, there is no way to deny how truly and deeply these soulmates love and care for each other. As Taehyung would say, 95z are love.
Thank you Park Jimin and Kim Taehyung for sharing your talents with us and giving us a glimpse of the kind of true, incredible friendship we all wish we had.
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meteoritxs · 7 years
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Bangtan Fic Rec
All of these are on ao3, they’re all shipping fics. I’ll add more as I read, these are just the ones I’ve read so far. My opinion is in italics, I only added the pairing, summary and theme of the fics, not the warnings and ratings so check those out when you’re gonna read them because some of them contain either smut, death or violence. You’ve been warned.
Fics in this list: 43.
I dream in the shape of your mouth by jonghyun | Namjin, College!AU.
Summary: Seokjin spends a lot of time in the library. Now, Namjoon does too. Taemin tries to summon Satan, and Jimin is a fuckboy.
*Jackson voice* Cute
Six Impossible Things Before Breakfast by Kavbj | Taekook, College!AU, Fantasy!AU
Summary: Taehyung has magic in his veins and Jungkook’s determined not to let it kill him.
Dude. This fic is so creative and well-written… I finished it and felt empty.
beat for me (live for me)  by bakkushan | Namjin, Mafia!AU part of the offer me your deathless death series.
Summary: Namjoon’s looking at himself and then at Seokjin and all he can see is Life and Death lying next to each other under a starless sky.
I cried like a bitch with this one, painful as fuck.
All you need is love (and pink) by vppa | NamJin, Angels and Demons!AU.
Summary: Most people only have one miniature angel or devil riding on their shoulders to serve as the physical manifestation of their conscience. Poor Namjoon has five, and they’re all telling him the same thing: “fucking talk to him god dammit what the fuck is wrong with you”
Funny and sweet. I like it.
Can I Get Your Dewey Decimal Number? by melecs| NamJin, Library!AU.
Summary: Seokjin loved working at the library, but some patrons got on his nerves. Take, for example, the grown man who sat in the corner every day and leeched off of the Wi-Fi. And Seokjin worked in the children’s department.
Ah, this is… something else, for sure. Cute as hell. Funny, too.
The less I know the better by mucha | Taegi, Namjin, Fake Relationship!AU
Summary: “Together with their families, Kim Namjoon and Kim Seokjin… Wow, this is formal… Wait,” Hoseok squints at the paper, before looking back at Yoongi with a quizzical look on his face. “They invited you with a guest? But… You’re single, right?”
“Min Yoongi,” Jimin glares at him over the bar, crossing his arms sternly over his chest. “If you’re seeing someone and you didn’t tell us I will kick your ass, so help me god.”
“I’m not dating anyone,” Yoongi sighs, grabbing the invitation and scanning it quickly. The words “with a guest” are underlined and Yoongi can almost see it: the smugness on his brother’s face as he nods with satisfaction, putting the pencil down.
“So what does it mean?”
Yoongi shifts uncomfortably in his seat, avoiding making eye contact.
“I might’ve… invented a boyfriend,” he finally mumbles to the glass in front of him.
This is so good, amazing, incredible. Brilliant. Entertaining as hell.
Star Light, Star Bright (The Last Star I’ll See Tonight) by DreamsOfAnotherReality | Taekook, Yoonseok, Teen!AU.
Summary: Jung Kook and Taehyung fall in love the summer Hoseok goes missing.  
Hoseok just wanted to see the stars and confess to Yoongi gdi bye I’m gonna fucking kill myself.
Creating a home series by CheekyBrunette | Namjin, Foster Parents!AU
Summary: A BTS Foster Care AU
This AU is so cute and fluffy I love Domestic!Namjin
The Professor’s Family series by EquinoxSolstice | Taekook, NamJin, Family!AU
Summary: Professor Kim Namjoon is married.
He doesn’t have a wife.
They have a sort-of son.
And Jeon Jungkook just crossed paths with them.
Read this. It’s great, I promise.
The Greatest by Little_Dimples | jikook, College!AU, Sports!AU.
Summary: Person A is a hockey player person B a figure skater. Person A is told he needs more grace on the ice so he is forced to get lessons by person B. Problem is they hate each other.
Or Person A is Jungkook and Person B is Jimin.
I had so much fun reading this you don’t get it. As I was reading in class i had to hide my face because I was smiling so much. Really good fic.
400 minutes | yoonmin, School!AU.
Summary: Min Yoongi expected a lot of weird experiences to happen when he went to college, but being the roommate of his high school love who apparently “moved away for good” was not one of them.
Angsty but in a good way.
Beta Tau Sigma by bazooka | Namjin, Yoonmin, College!AU, Frat!AU.
Summary: A collection of events occurring within (and without) the walls of the Beta Tau Sigma fraternity house. At Beta Tau Sigma, there are only a few rules:
1) have a declared major in the College of Music; 2) keep your GPA above a 3.4; 3) don’t let Taehyung into the liquor cabinet; 4) don’t fuck up with Kim Seokjin. The rest is all fine print.
(Rating changed to M for sexual content in ch17.)
OKAY, THIS FIC IS THE END OF EVERYTHING FOR ME. My Favorite Fic Of All Time. Nothing is ever gonna top this for me, even House of Cards. This fic has it all, humor, angst, fluff, smut. Everything. Incredible fic. Golden fic.
cuz in a sky full of stars (I think I saw you) by wowoashley | Taekook, Namjin, Fake Relationship!AU
Summary: taehyung always has bad ideas. and jeongguk thinks this might be the best.
This is so cute and cliché but in a good way, I really love this fic.
ce monde est une têmpete by astringxnt | Taekook, Yoonmin, Namjin, College!AU
Summary: they say that one should fall in love with their eyes open, but Jungkook keeps his closed, and Taehyung is afraid that they’ll fall in all the wrong places.
the concept of strings in space time theory is that on a one dimensional plane, one only has the option of going backwards or forwards in their direction of travel. Jungkook chooses to be swept along into the unknown, with Taehyung as his only anchor.
AMAZING! I really like the plot of this one.
Safe and Sound by bazooka | Namjin, Royalty!AU.
Summary: From a tumblr prompt: Jin is a prince, and Namjoon is his bodyguard.
“You’re sort of bad at this.” “Nah. You’re safe, aren’t you?”
Prince!Jin. That’s all I have to say about this fic. Amazing.
(thought you knew) you were in this song by expplipo | Taekook, Yoonseok, Namjin, Soulmate!AU
Summary: Taehyung nearly chokes, but only nearly. Instead he raises an eyebrow and puts on the most suave smile he can manage. Hopes he looks far more collected than his for-some-reason racing heartbeat would let on, more suit-and-wine than elementary-schooler-with-a-new-crush. “You like me?”
Jeongguk blushes, and looks at his feet. He’s smiling. “Of course.”
“Really?” Taehyung says. “Like? Or like like?”
(So much for suit-and-wine.)
Nothing to say apart from it being amazing.
Common Thread by sugafree | Yoonmin, Namjin, Soulmate!AU
Summary: Red String of Fate AU where Yoongi doesn’t believe in soulmates and spends a long time trying to avoid a certain someone on the other end of his red thread.
I’m a sucker for Soulmates, but this fic is good regardless, love the way it’s written.
for you, anything by kadotas | Vmin, Yoonkook, Namjin, Marriage!AU
Summary: “Talk dirty to me,” Taehyung says lowly into Jimin’s ear, breath ghosting Jimin’s earlobe, eliciting a slight shudder from the latter.
“I’m not wearing underwear,” Jimin whispers back, pulling back to look Taehyung in the eye.
Taehyung groans gruffly at this, breaking the eye contact to lean down and nip Jimin’s jawline gently. “God yes baby that’s just-“
“I’m not wearing any underwear because you never fucking put the laundry in the fucking dryer like I’ve asked you to 100 times,” Jimin hisses, voice strained with vehemence, glaring at him and Taehyung sighs defeatedly.
(in which Taehyung and Jimin navigate through married life together, realising belatedly that it’s not always smooth sailing.)
Domestic Vmin is the best Vmin.
Let me know by TheOrgasmicSeke | Yoonmin, Yoonkook, Jikook, Yoonminkook, Namjin, Vhope, I Need U!AU, Poly!AU
Summary: Talking about it, of course, became harder as the days passed by. Yoongi could never find the right time to bring it up. He was still wondering if he was just imaging things. If he was just thinking he was feeling the things he was feeling. But that was quickly disproved every single time Jimin curled up around him and Jungkook kissed him. He was a fucking idiot in love with two bigger idiots and there wasn’t a damn thing he could do about it. Except probably ruin it by talking about it. Hell, maybe it was better to just never mention it and pretend it wasn’t happening.
So good. No other words.
Find the value of an elephant by tired angry egg (Mirabelle) | Namjin, Highschool!AU, Tutor!AU
Summary: When Kim Taehyung’s academic situation takes a turn for the worse, his mother is convinced to hire a highly recommended tutor in the hopes for a miracle that would turn her son into a conscientious student. Her eldest son, Seokjin, has a far more skeptical opinion on this entire thing, expecting it to be-lest he sugarcoat it-a complete failure. And Kim Namjoon is just really bad at making good first impressions (or second ones, or just impressions altogether).
Cute and funny.
A Sociolinguistic Analysis of Epenthesis in Academic Convergence by bazooka | Namjin, College!AU, Professor!AU
Summary: Epenthesis A phonological phenomenon in which two disparate sounds meet, creating a third sound between them which wasn’t there before.
There were a lot of jobs worse than being partnered with world-renowned Absent-Minded Professor Kim Namjoon, but Professor Kim Seokjin couldn’t think of what any of them were at the moment.
THIS! IS! SO! GOOD! Honestly, I’m in love with this fic.
The Mark of an Educated Mind by bazooka | Namjin, Metafiction.
Summary: At three o'clock in the morning after he’d been working for ten hours straight and everything he touched came out wrong and all his words were stilted and clumsy and all his music was rough and tangled… for some ungodly reason Kim Namjoon opened up a new browser window, typed bangtan sonyeondan fan fiction into the search bar, and then (god) hit enter.
No comment.
A Wonderful Institution by bazooka | Namjin, Yoonmin, Wedding Planner!AU.
Summary: Kim Seokjin is a wedding caterer. Kim Namjoon is a wedding planner.
Both of them think marriage is a societal construct with no place in modern life. Neither of them would know Real Love if it came up to them at a wedding and made a wager.
I love this fic because it’s so cute and funny to me.
Just Skin by syubology | Taegi, College!AU.
Summary: Yoongi is small and angry and 200% done with having feelings; Taehyung is Taehyung; Hoseok harasses Yoongi with petnames and Jimin ships Yoonseok. That’s basically it.
The fic that made me ship Taegi.
Pour up (Drank) by mindheist | Taekook, College!AU, Frat!AU.
Summary: If you can read this, take another shot.
LISTEN. This fic is so good it’s almost Beta Tau Sigma and that’s saying a lot because I love that fic. Anyways, the story in this one is great and it has its funny moments as well as fluffy and frustrating ones. Great fic.
Sidereal by darling | Vmin, Childhood Friends!AU.
Summary: Here we observe the Earth and the Sun in their natural habitat: each other.
This is all cute and fluffy in some parts but deep in others. Beautiful fic, I like the concept.
half a soul divided by jynxu | Minjoon, Taekook, Yoonseok, Soulmate!AU
Summary: Park Jimin has never been on a date. Nor has he had his first kiss, flirted with anyone, or fallen in love. His classmates would ridicule him and base nicknames over his distaste toward anything romantic. (Look, here comes Saint Jiminie!) Even his younger brother would make fun of him while his parents watched with pitying looks on their faces.
Nobody understood.
or: soulmate au where your soulmate’s date of death is tattooed on your wrist.
This made me cry. At school. No joke my friends were worried. Great fic, read if you want to cry.
Out of My System by xxdevilishxx | Yoonmin, Vhope, Namjin, One Night Stand!AU.
Summary: Yoongi likes one night stands and he understands how they work. What he doesn’t understand, however, is how he ended up in bed with a probably-not-legal kid crying in his arms about his broken heart, because he’s pretty sure (and correct him if he’s wrong) that a babysitting job was not what he was looking for when he went to the opening of his friend’s new club.
I read this instead of studying. Really good and interesting, I like the characters.
refrigerator humming, chewing gum and instant karma by locks | Taekook, Gangster!AU, Mafia!AU.
Summary: Taehyung sets the flowers down on the dining table, plucking the card off the little holder. “Dearest Taehyung, just wanted you to know that I’m thinking about you. I hope you’re thinking about me too. Love–” he pauses and squints before cocking an eyebrow and pursing his lips. “Hyung, why is the boss of your little boy band gang professing his love for me?”
Yoongi drops the noodles on the floor with a loud curse as he burns his hand.
Or, Taehyung’s been trying his hardest to avoid Yoongi’s criminal life for a long ass time, but a cute kid and his infuriating father keep pulling him deeper into the mix.
Cute and a good read, the concept is awesome and I like the way it’s written.
House of Cards by sugamins | Taekook, Vmin, Jikook, Vminkook, Mafia!AU, Gangster!AU.
Summary: Jungkook is the heir to a mob empire, the most notorious in the whole of Seoul. Taehyung is a rookie sent in to infiltrate by his select team and bring the empire crumbling down.
“You knew the game and played it, it kills to know that you have been defeated.”
Trailer. This fic. I have no words. It’s beautifully written and the plot is amazing, really interesting and just plain good. The fic to end all Mafia!AUs. Nothing is ever gonna top this for me. It’s also a long read.
Let Me In Or Let Me Down by noraebangbang | Yoonmin, A/B/O.
Summary: Yoongi hates dealing with heat cycles and suppressants and life in general. Everything is a terrible mess, and then there’s Jimin to make things a tiny bit brighter.
Now, listen, I don’t really like ABO, but this fic is so good that I wanna like it because if there are any other ABO fics like this gem then I’m in for a treat.
Kickstart series by Error401 | Yoonmin, Namjin, Vhope, Gangster!AU, Hitman!AU
Summary: Hitman!Yoongi AU.
The plot of this series is really interesting, I read it all in one sitting because I just needed more. It’s really good.
The Still Point (Of The Turning World) by inkingbrushes | Yoonseok, Reincarnation!AU, Soulmates!AU, Multiple lives!AU.
Summary: Because Yoongi doesn’t know how this started, or how this will end, but he knows this simple fact: he knows that there is a love between them that is much fiercer than the burning sun. There is that love then, and there is that love now, and surely there will be that same love the next time.
(Or: the one where they’re reincarnated over and over again and Yoongi meets a different version of Hoseok every time but Yoongi is the only one that remembers.)
Ok, this fic made me cry really hard and I’m still affected by it. It’s beautiful and sad and you should totally read it.
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o-n-edir-ection · 7 years
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uuuummmMMMM GIRL GET READY TO BE SAVED BY THE ONLY FRIENDSHIP THAT COULD TOP YALL’S VMIN. imma hit u up with a bullet list
they were the first members of bts and were trainees together for a long time… they starved and composed tirelessly together
“6 year team” 
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working together for years… fighting at first because life was so fucking hard and then coming to love each other so much
“ayo suga” LITERALLY ALL OF NAMJOON’S RAP IN “MOVE”
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WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF WRITING SONGS FOR EACH OTHER!!! SPRING DAY IS LITERALLY WRITTEN BY NAMGI FOR NAMGI
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((CRYING LOUDLY)) 
yoongi getting namjoon a ring… which joon swears he will wear for a long time…
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I AINT KIDDING BITCH HES FAITHFUL
speaking of gifts MIN YOONGI TAKING CARE OF HIS FORGETFUL JOONIE AND QUIETLY BUYING HIS A NEW WALLET AFTER HE LOSES IT ((thAT LITTLE SMILE WHEN HE’S BEEN OUTED FOR BEING A SOFTIE))
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namjoon and yoongi supporting each other and cheering each other on??? always?? the most supportive?? boyfriends best friends for fucking life??????
yoongi cheering namjoon on excitedly when he performed with MFBTY “NAMJOON-AH” on his daMN TIPPY TOES TOO ((if you still alive you WRONG!! this shit the CUTEST))
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namjoon with that “you got this” waist swipe during cypher??? girl kms
talking about how cute yoongi is in his 21st Century Girls part LIKE THIS!! YOU BOTH LOVE EACH OTHER!!
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OR LIKE THEM CRYING TOGETHER BEFORE RELEASING WINGS BC THEY REMEMBERED BEING POOR AND LIVING TOGETHER AND HAVING NOTHING AND NOW THEY’RE FUCKING FAMOUS
AND THEN HUGGING EACH OTHER AND CRYING AFTER THE DAESUNG AWARD??!!!
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and then.. the most important moment of my life… “i love you min yoongi” 
shit changed me
i had 2 be hospitalized for a whole year im still not out tf
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so yes girl!!! they’re best friends. fuck they probably in love too.
thank u for the ask i got to let my sugamon freak fly
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o-n-ed-ire-c-ti-on · 7 years
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uuuummmMMMM GIRL GET READY TO BE SAVED BY THE ONLY FRIENDSHIP THAT COULD TOP YALL’S VMIN. imma hit u up with a bullet list
they were the first members of bts and were trainees together for a long time… they starved and composed tirelessly together
“6 year team” 
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working together for years… fighting at first because life was so fucking hard and then coming to love each other so much
“ayo suga” LITERALLY ALL OF NAMJOON’S RAP IN “MOVE”
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WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF WRITING SONGS FOR EACH OTHER!!! SPRING DAY IS LITERALLY WRITTEN BY NAMGI FOR NAMGI
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((CRYING LOUDLY)) 
yoongi getting namjoon a ring… which joon swears he will wear for a long time…
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I AINT KIDDING BITCH HES FAITHFUL
speaking of gifts MIN YOONGI TAKING CARE OF HIS FORGETFUL JOONIE AND QUIETLY BUYING HIS A NEW WALLET AFTER HE LOSES IT ((thAT LITTLE SMILE WHEN HE’S BEEN OUTED FOR BEING A SOFTIE))
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namjoon and yoongi supporting each other and cheering each other on??? always?? the most supportive?? boyfriends best friends for fucking life??????
yoongi cheering namjoon on excitedly when he performed with MFBTY “NAMJOON-AH” on his daMN TIPPY TOES TOO ((if you still alive you WRONG!! this shit the CUTEST))
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namjoon with that “you got this” waist swipe during cypher??? girl kms
talking about how cute yoongi is in his 21st Century Girls part LIKE THIS!! YOU BOTH LOVE EACH OTHER!!
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OR LIKE THEM CRYING TOGETHER BEFORE RELEASING WINGS BC THEY REMEMBERED BEING POOR AND LIVING TOGETHER AND HAVING NOTHING AND NOW THEY’RE FUCKING FAMOUS
AND THEN HUGGING EACH OTHER AND CRYING AFTER THE DAESUNG AWARD??!!!
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and then.. the most important moment of my life… “i love you min yoongi” 
shit changed me
i had 2 be hospitalized for a whole year im still not out tf
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so yes girl!!! they’re best friends. fuck they probably in love too.
thank u for the ask i got to let my sugamon freak fly
Make Money with Youtube
uuuummmMMMM GIRL GET READY TO BE SAVED BY THE ONLY FRIENDSHIP THAT COULD TOP YALL’S VMIN. imma hit u up with a bullet list
they were the first members of bts and were trainees together for a long time… they starved and composed tirelessly together
“6 year team” 
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working together for years… fighting at first because life was so fucking hard and then coming to love each other so much
“ayo suga” LITERALLY ALL OF NAMJOON’S RAP IN “MOVE”
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WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF WRITING SONGS FOR EACH OTHER!!! SPRING DAY IS LITERALLY WRITTEN BY NAMGI FOR NAMGI
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((CRYING LOUDLY)) 
yoongi getting namjoon a ring… which joon swears he will wear for a long time…
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I AINT KIDDING BITCH HES FAITHFUL
speaking of gifts MIN YOONGI TAKING CARE OF HIS FORGETFUL JOONIE AND QUIETLY BUYING HIS A NEW WALLET AFTER HE LOSES IT ((thAT LITTLE SMILE WHEN HE’S BEEN OUTED FOR BEING A SOFTIE))
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namjoon and yoongi supporting each other and cheering each other on??? always?? the most supportive?? boyfriends best friends for fucking life??????
yoongi cheering namjoon on excitedly when he performed with MFBTY “NAMJOON-AH” on his daMN TIPPY TOES TOO ((if you still alive you WRONG!! this shit the CUTEST))
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namjoon with that “you got this” waist swipe during cypher??? girl kms
talking about how cute yoongi is in his 21st Century Girls part LIKE THIS!! YOU BOTH LOVE EACH OTHER!!
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OR LIKE THEM CRYING TOGETHER BEFORE RELEASING WINGS BC THEY REMEMBERED BEING POOR AND LIVING TOGETHER AND HAVING NOTHING AND NOW THEY’RE FUCKING FAMOUS
AND THEN HUGGING EACH OTHER AND CRYING AFTER THE DAESUNG AWARD??!!!
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and then.. the most important moment of my life… “i love you min yoongi” 
shit changed me
i had 2 be hospitalized for a whole year im still not out tf
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so yes girl!!! they’re best friends. fuck they probably in love too.
thank u for the ask i got to let my sugamon freak fly
Love One Direction? See their 15 best fashion moments! You'll especially love #14 link
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btsandvmin · 3 years
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why do u think fandom brozone vmin so much? it doesnt happen nearly as often w other ships
I have talked about this a great deal before, and for good reason. It does happen a lot, and it has always been like this. At least I can speak for the years I have been in the fandom as the first post I ever made properly was about this exact topic. (The “bromance” issue) It’s short and a bit outdated, and honestly we also have to admit that while a lot of people still keep insisting on Vmin not being shippable and being “brozoned or friendzoned” there are also a lot more people who both ship Vmin and even see actual real potential in them being more. (You can even tell by the increase in analysis here on tumblr.)
Personally regarding the “issue” of how Vmin are viewed I am no longer as annoyed with it as I used to be. I do think it’s mainly a problem when other shippers come and say it about Vmin, because that is frankly just hypocritical. I have also written  Normalizing Vmin or “Vmin” and  Shipping vs Believing that explains more about my views on the subject of friendzoning and shipping as a whole. (Personally I feel Vmin get more friendzoned than brozoned, but that’s just a minor detail.)
But your question was about why you think the fandom brozone/friendzone Vmin so much, so let’s get to that.
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First of all I obviously think there are several reasons, but this is all based on my speculations after being in this fandom for so long and what I have seen. Every person could have their own very different reasons to why they think the way they do. I think all the reasons play a part, but might not be equally important and might also not apply to every single person, but rather affect the fandom as a whole in one way or another.
So let’s break it down to the things I think play the biggest role in why Vmin are seen as platonic, regardless of if they are or not, just simply compared to a lot of the other ships.
1. They have since the start used the label “friend” or “best friend” to describe each other. In particular the label “chingu” of course, which in actuality is used to described someone of the same age that you are close with. 
2. The English translation and constant use of “friend” will when repeated constantly get stuck in people’s minds and affect how they view a dynamic. Just how “hyung” gets translated to brother, but a lot less well known and noted by the fandom. Basically the western fandom will likely get even more platonic feelings towards Vmin because of the word being translated to friends.
3. Compared to the other “chingus” in the group, Namjoon and Hobi, there is much more emphasis on Vmin as the same age and as being close and best friends. Namjoon himself made a comment on this. I also think the use of “friends” or more recently “soulmates” by editors is a reply to this, basically that the editors too use these words because they are used a lot by the members first. Hence it gets doubly reinforced. Every time we hear it or read it we get another reminder of Vmin being friends.
4. Their early dymanics were less soft. A lot of their interactions were teasing like Taehyung’s “Jiminie pabo” and fans saw it as two siblings or friends rather than as the “teasing your crush”. Basically people didn't read their behavior as romantic. When BTS first started Vmin already called each other best friends, and that stuck, even more so in combination with people basically not seeing any "spark" between them. I would call this preference in a lot of cases.
5. There were in the beginning already a lot of competition between ships. Jimin often focused in a lot on JK and basically flirted with him while he at the same time brushed off Tae when he did similar towards Jimin. Meanwhile Tae and JK had a very physical relationship as well and JK often seemed the most open and comfortable with Tae. I think both of Vmin kind of pushing themselves on and teasing JK was a dynamic many shippers like. Meanwhile you aslo had Yoonmin getting popular due to Yoongi seeming a bit soft on Jimin and Jimin being very open and loud with wanting attention from Yoongi.
6. Some people find Vmin's dynamics boring. To a lot of shippers “too” obvious closeness might be a little boring and get labeled as just being friends or bros. This was in particular evident in the early days of Vmin. It also matters for fan content, and we can see a lot of Vmin fiction use a bit more “soft” tropes and might not get as many readers as more conflict driven plot. For me I would also include Vmin’s bias towards each other as another point here, that people might see as too much if they are a couple and have to hide. Basically a lot of people don’t see friendship to romance as the most interesting, or the "obvious and equal dynamic" as interesting. BTS said Vmin were the closest or the “best duo” etc. but since all of them were close people picked based on preference for their ship. Of course this still applies to shippers now, they fall for the type of dynamic they like, but now they also have a easier time getting convinced by material from other shippers. Having analysis is another thing that can make a ship more appealing as well.
7. Speaking of, fan content getting created and spread will reinforce certain images. Reading BTS fanfiction or watching moment videos you will see a lot of Vmin being “the best friends”. Basically once the image is used a lot, it will get more spread and used even more. It will be a constant in many places and when talking to a lot of people. It will also of course pull people in to other ships that makes Vmin impossible. Not to mention the big ships will get bigger and spread more easily.
8. Now this might not be true for a lot of people. But I have come across a lot of fans who seem to think being a friend is something that makes romance less likely. For me I want my partner to be my best friend as well, but a lot of people do see these two things as mutually exclusive. Many see friend and lover as two very different things and that you have one best friend and one partner, not someone that are both. Basically just the view on friendships and labels and how that might lead to some feeling being romantically involved is something separate from a close friendship. 
9. Other ships spreading the narrative even further. It’s easier to just call Vmin friends, honestly. It’s often hard to deny their closeness (not that you should have to just because you ship something else, doesn’t change reality). But Vmin being so close and being part of the three biggest ships in BTS of course their label as best friends will be spread and used even more by those shippers. And because of the size of those ships it eventually gets turned into not just those shippers views, but the whole fandom’s.
10. More recently I would also say fear is a reason why people push back and try to remind the fandom that Vmin are “just friends”. Because we have very bad examples of what happens when shipping goes too far, basically it makes many non shippers try to protect Vmin from the same faith. Not a bad thing (again, as long as you don’t ship something else and is a hypocrite), but it surely does further the narrative of Vmin being very platonic. (A bad group is of course included here, which are homophobic fans, but since they feel the same about all ships it’s just a sidenote.)
11. Lastly, and probably most influentual, is the fact that Vmin and BTS friendzone Vmin in many ways, constantly. 
I won’t go into all the examples, but I think we all know a few moments even at the top of our heads by now.
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I mean.... They called their song about being soulmates and wanting to be together for eternity "Friends". And maybe that's what they are, but they sure like to remind us.
So we have times when BTS or Vmin basically remind us and spells it out even more clearly that Vmin are FRIENDS. They use it very very often, and personally to me sometimes at very weird moments. Even so, the things most fans see will of course be what they say. Vmin are friends and that is it.
And at face value that is true. I just personally don’t see being best friends (and soulmates) as meaning they can’t be more as well. Especially since they wouldn’t even be able to say more than that. I mean, if Vmin are basically described as the closest in BTS, then why does that mean they have less odds of being real? Being friends doesn’t have to equal being only friends.
However, Vmin have in fact said things against being interested/denied the other, I don’t want to lie. I am sure some would see this as 100% truth and use it againt the possibility of Vmin being real. Like when Taehyung basically said he would rather date Hobi.
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However, Jimin said he would definitely choose Taehyung to date, but that gets ignored by people who ship Jimin with others, so it’s really just about choosing what fits your narrative. All ships have contradicting moments or statments or answers where they answer two different things at two different times in general.
We also have how Jimin answered back to Taehyung about liking men by saying he isnt “like that” to Taehyung.
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There are moments like this, and even though they might be small and forgotten by most I think they could in a sense still have registered in some fans who then basically managed to spreak the “vmin are just bros/friends” into the more common perception. 
However we also have opposite moments when they try to appeal to each other, or like when Taehyung asks Jimin to be the girlfriend etc. and personally though I do take these things into account it’s a bit like when you see members say “men can’t do this or that” and it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t be queer. To me even though there are things against most ships, there are still a lot that speaks for some, and that’s why I remain unsure.
Sometimes you might get more defensive or nervous if there is some truth in there as well. It’s all about interpretation, even though I don’t want to blatantly ignore what they say. But since they have said and done directly contradicting things (like how Jimin said he would choose to date Tae while also saying he doesn’t act like “that” to Tae, or how they have changed a lot of answers in general) I also don’t see it as something definitely against them being more. Not to mention time can change things as well. 
In the end though this isn’t about what other things there might be that show Vmin might be more than friends or not, but simply reasons for the fandom’s view of them as platonic. (Personally I think they do a lot of things not normally seen as platonic, which is obviously the reason for me having this blog and writing anlysis on them.)
So, Vmin is friendzoned by the group, and by shippers of bigger ships, and even by themselves at times. Then everything else is reinforcement and inability to view them as anything more than friends.
There are some other things I think might play a part in it as well, but most comes down to personal preferences or what you get exposed to. Like who is the bias of the shipper and what things do they come across to make them a shipper, what kind of dynamics do they like etc. (It's more likely for someone who "falls" for JK to have JK in his ship, for example. Because they will focus on him and notice his interactions and then likely fall for a certain dynamic.)
History is a huge factor in general, and trying to change the perspective of the fandom might not be easy. But with a lot of new fans coming in and seeing with their own eyes how Vmin have behaved the last two years in particular, I think we can see a change.
Vmin are loved by the majority of this fandom, and that’s far better than them having people be anti them because of their ship being too big or too toxic. So in the end I do feel it’s a good things for them and for us that Vmin is being viewed as mostly platonic while they manage to slowly include more “normally not platonic things” into their platonic box. (I mean we are at a point where they can casually mention sleeping together and sing about being soulmates and hold hands in public).
Thank you for the ask and I hope you found this interesting. This is a topic I have a lot of opinions on and think is interesting myself, so I hope you enjoyed this post. No matter what we all know that one truth won’t change; 95z is love!
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thoughts-on-bangtan · 3 years
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lately i feel taehyung is a straight man and his vibez is much more masculinity i mean not to mention taehyung straightly said to jimin he like him most and no offense for me it's just assurance about something etc and i don't feel like in romantic way but much more because he is best friend for life. i mean before you can assume he is kind of gay but lately i feel like he's more focus on masculine way and much more straight man.
Admin 1: Let’s do a little exercise which I think will help us answer this question, as well as showcase why reading it annoyed me so much, especially as queer person myself. Okay, here are nine different men, all of them athletes (why did I pick them? Because idols are basically just as athletic as them and chances of you knowing all nine are low), and now please try to guess which of them (if any) are gay/queer:
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Do you have your guesses?
Okay, as example, if you guessed only the one first row second from the left then, well, you are partially correct. That man is Johnny Weir, former American figure skater, who is, in fact, gay, yes. But you are wrong in saying that out of all the men in those pictures he’s the only one who is queer. Because all of them are. You can read more about them here if you’re interested.
What does this tell us? Easy. The manner in which someone presents themselves (or the vibe, whatever that’s even supposed to mean, that they give off/give you), traditionally masculine, feminine, more androgynous, or anywhere else on the spectrum, has no correlation whatsoever with their sexuality. A gay man can dress in a way that is traditionally seen as more feminine and that’s fine. He can dress and look more typically masculine, and that is fine as well. He can dress and look however he likes and that doesn’t make him any less or more gay, or any less or more valid.
The main thing I would like for you to take away from this answer is this: please do not buy into stereotypical, basically fetishizing, portrayals and assumptions of what constitutes a “gay man” visually and behavior wise. There is no checklist full of boxes a queer man, or any queer person for that matter, needs to fulfil in order to be queer and valid in their queerness. There is no unified look a gay man has to showcase in order to be gay. It’s the 21st century, the year 2021, can we leave finally lay these things to rest?
As for Tae, if you want to know my thoughts about BTS and the LGBT community, I have an entire post about it which you can read here if that’s something that interests you. If we look at how Tae currently looks like, which you’ve defined as more “masculine” (and therefore straight), I will agree that he has gained muscles, if that is what you think is a necessary checkbox for masculinity, but really, all that really tells us is that Tae is healthy, that he looks great, handsome as ever, and that he is an idol of whom it is expected and required to be in a good physical shape, especially with comeback being quite literally just three days away which means a lot of performances, dancing, and hard Bangtan choreographies.
Your taste in fashion and how you feel most comfortable with your body looking like has no direct correlation with your sexuality, and neither does it with Tae’s.
Lastly, how is Tae saying he likes Jimin most on national TV somehow proof of him being straight? What else was he supposed to say? What would he have to say for you to not question his bond with Jimin? Is there a possibility we’re wrong and they’re just platonic, of course, but at the same time, looking at how Jimin said that Tae is a honest person, how Tae basically wears his heart on his sleeve, and how he’s written a song all about falling in love with his best friend, whom we know is Jimin, and we know Tae writes songs based on his own feelings and experiences, I do have a hard time believing that we are wrong. But, of course, we won’t know for sure until Tae or Jimin, or both, tell us themselves.
You are free to believe whatever you like but at least don’t project gender and LGBT stereotypes (most of which have been created and are perpetuated by straight people) onto Tae, and the other members for that matter. Or any queer person really.
Admin 2: I admit that after what I’ve recently observed on various sns platforms, no question will surprise me anymore. In fact, I'm sure I know where this question came from.
The most annoying thing is that despite so many "steps and demonstrations" on BTS' part, there is still an army trying to put people into individual boxes and number those boxes and give them names.
Do any of us have our sexualities written out on our foreheads? Can you see if we are sexually interested in women, men, or anyone else? And how can you know that?
I think a lot of people know Adam Rippon, for example, who is a former American figure skater and Olympic team bronze medalist. Yes, Adam is gay and has a very handsome partner, fiancé actually, who looks like a young god. He's fit, look at his photos on Instagram, Jussi goes to the gym, runs and is even in the process of builds a house himself, like a "real man", a "typical" man ... but he's gay!
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If you look at this example, you can clearly see that there are no stereotypes that would indisputably define the appearance of an LGBTQ+ person! Indeed, in the last century, attempts have been made to give "gay" people the weird appearance of only ever being feminized man who are always sassy and the side kick in movies/shows, the stereotypical "gay best friend". It the past century it was designed as such to portray queer people, and especially gay men, in undesirable ways, as jokes and as something "bad", but I thought we grew out of it a long time ago as modern and tolerant people.
Kim Taehyung has to practice and exercise as a member of BTS. That’s a fact. To meet the requirements of their choreographies, whether you like it or not, you must be in an Olympic physical form. Not just him, the entire team must basically be at a near peak physical condition and health. Tae has to exercise, he has to take care of himself, and he has to look great. I have to admit, I've noticed that "gay" men pay more attention to their looks than a normal, unshaven straight guy! (I'm basing this on a joke Adam Rippon once made where he apologized to his followers for looking like an "unshaved straight guy" after he'd just woken up)
What do I mean by that? I want to express the fact that the way you look and take care of your appearance and physical condition are not an indicator of sexuality!
As for the "I like you the most" statement, I'll admit that I've observed many people in many ways trying to use this statement to twist it into whatever those people wanted it to be, instead of taking it for what it actually was, especially since it appears to be something like a thorn in the sides of those who ship other ML pairings.
I'll be rather blunt here now, instead of beating around the bush.
I think this whole question is another attempt at ripping down the Vmin sails and belittling their bond and its possible implications once again.
If we remember how the scene played out, remember Jimin's reactions, his nervousness, how flustered he was, said that things are getting dangerous, and the fact that Taehyung's letter was only for Jimin's eyes. Is that really how "bros" behave? Just a couples of besties?
I doubt that normal best buddies on national TV would feel the need to write mystery letters just for a friend's eyes and tell each other that they like him the most? I'll say more, "boyfriends" don't force their lover to admit that he is copying him in his dance style, only friends do.
It is strange that this "copy" situation was "perceived" as highly romantic, and yet Taehyung's words to Jimin were relegated to "best friends only, nothing else".
However, it doesn't change the fact that Taehyung said what he said, he wrote 95z is love and Jimin confessed that he would love to spend his life with his lovely Taehyungie. Do "only best friends" (best friends that are straight) behave like this?
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thoughts-on-bangtan · 3 years
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I m sorry if this post makes u upset but honestly this is something i have been wondering a lot about. So i m sure the admis are aware of a theory that has existed for long time in t/k spaces that BH was holding t/k back. So wrt that we also know the boys recently became partners of BH by buying shares sometime in 2020. They also renewed their contracts in 2020. We also know tae has become happier and the famous t/k conversation took place in 2020. We can also see that t/k have more on (1/2)
screen interactions and are more frequently paired together since after the ITS convo and also appear to interact more with each other in various cobtent. Also there is a fall in j/k content no? I wonder if that theory was indeed true and that tae being happier could be bcoz of him getting to be more open with jk now and not hiding their relationship infront of the cameras and if that has anything to do with them being shareholders and the new contract. Bcoz this kinda makes sense to me (2/2)
Admin 1: The only thing with which you’ve upset me is by ignoring what I’ve said just a few posts ago about how the only ships I feel have actual potential of being ‘real’ are vmin and, to a certain degree, namjin, and how I’m more than open to talking about other duos etc as long as we talk about them as their real life friendships. Just yesterday I said that I don’t really care or pay attention to what other shippers do because it’s simply none of my concern. Why is that? Because no JK+ML ship has ever given me reason to go “huh?” or given me the impression there could be more than just friendship. Also, I’m not here to try and disprove other ships, or somehow try to convince anyone that my views are the only correct ones, I simply want to have a good time talking about vmin, namjin, and Bangtan, and that’s it, which I’ve said it yesterday as well.
I’ve been ARMY for many years now and yes, I’m more than aware of this theory because, in a way, it’s inescapable even if you try to stay clear of what T/K (and J/K) shippers are up to. And yet, despite that, for years my opinion on the topic has not changed in the slightest. I’ve written a whole post about ships and BH and how they are used for marketing purposes in rather obvious ways at times, how more screen time doesn’t immediately equal them being romantic (and the whole no screen time = no bond paradox), or BH “allowing” them to show off their relationship more, because that frankly, to me, sounds ridiculous.
Even if we’d entertain the idea for a moment, while also remembering that apparently T/K is still the biggest BTS ship, wouldn’t it make more sense for BH to show them? Because that would bring in more money? So, in that sense, hiding them wouldn’t make such sense business wise? Someone could argue that scarcity creates more demand, which once they do supply that demand, the money basically rains down on BH like crazy. And yet even that, to me, doesn’t really make all that much sense, given that they could just put T/K content behind a paywall, as in keep their interactions as paid content exclusives, but even that isn’t the case since apparently there hasn’t been much T/K shipper satisfying content even there. So, what exactly, would be the business point for BH to “hide” them? Remember, they are a company after all, not a matchmaking service.
Anyway, going back to my thoughts. We have 4 O’Clock followed by the knowledge that not that long after Tae started working on Happy Christmas, a duet for himself and Jimin which supposedly was too much for two members to sing it together (the implications here are rather clear), which was followed by Scenery (which has clear connections to the same event as in 4 O’clock and to Jimin), and add to all of that what Tae replied to that ARMY on weverse (this I also have a whole post about which I thought might’ve made my thoughts clear in a way, but I guess it did not). That does paint quite the obvious picture, does it not?
Just yesterday I said that the biggest rule in shipping is respect and being respectful, yes? Do you think it is respectful to still hold on to this made up T/K theory despite being faced with Tae’s own words? Despite how ridiculous it sounds? I don’t think so.
Therefore, for me, with everything Tae has done to express his feelings in connection to Jimin, as well as clearly stating that 95z is love (just a few months after telling off that shipper) and the fact that (despite surely having to jump through many hoops along the way) Jimin answered Tae in kind by making Friends happen which solidified them as soulmates to us but also made their wish and promise of remaining together even when the cheers are gone known (here’s my analysis of that song). That’s no small thing. And if that T/K theory held any merit, I highly doubt either Tae or Jimin would do all this, which I’ve also already once discussed in a previous post. Add to that Tae’s Weverse reply, their conversation during ITS, and Tae wanting Jimin to come sleep next to him on JKs birthday (that being something the company has no control over and is their own free time and their free will of telling us about it), the only “relationship” that Tae has with JK, in my opinion, is that of close friends, band mates, and colleagues.
As for their contract and them being shareholders and that having some kind of connection to them being able to show their relationships more freely—while yes, they did say that they’ll sign the contract and thus give BH seven more of their years so long as the contract reflects their hard work and achievements, it’s rather ludicrous to think that there might’ve been some kind of clause in there as well about how BH won’t “hide” a ship anymore or allow them to just run free and show off their relationships. Frankly that would be stupid and way more risky than worth it both for BH and the members themselves. Besides their personal relationships, especially romantic ones, are not for public consumption, so to speak. Even more so in the world of idols and with the prospect of having to do their military service in the future (this being doubly important and risky when considering their relationships being between two members and therefore LGBT).
We have no way of knowing what is exactly in those contracts, and what kind of effect them having BH shares has on their work-relation with BH, all we do know is that whatever was in those contracts was satisfying enough for all seven of them to sign it and be happy with that choice. Everything else is pure speculation.
This is the final time I’m answering such an ask since now I think I’ve truly made my stance on JK+ML ships known sufficiently, and this time I mean it.
Also, for future reference, can we please talk about JK not in romantic connection to a member for once? I have a whole post expressing my grievances with the treatment he gets from shippers and how there is so much more to him.
Admin 2: We live in a materialistic capitalist world where money is the leading power. Many people get up in the morning and work their a*s off to bring in enough income to live and to feed themselves and their possible family. But there are also people who find ways to make money without having to work their a*ses off. Such possibilities in todays day and age gives you, among other things, making videos on Youtube. If you’re sneaky enough and have an eye for what sells best at any given time and what brings in the biggest viewership, you might come to find that a great way to earn well is by making videos about BTS, and more specifically, about popular BTS ships, or even the most popular one at that.
Maybe you noticed how at some point there was a boom on youtube when it came to people making reaction videos, especially to anything BTS related, as well as hundreds of channels about shipping doing analysis videos, especially for T/K and J/K.
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In that moment when Tae basically said no to T/K being romantic, those T/K channels faced potentially “losing their jobs” and thus losing a very lucrative source of income. When I say lucrative, I mean up to $90k a year, which is a sum of money the average person can only dream of. Therefore, to save their existence and income, they decided to push on with their agenda and disregard any signs pointing against their ship. That’s why I think theories such as the one anon presented us with are ones that are created during conversations between people with such channels as wonderful solutions to explain away signs and behaviors that simply didn’t fit them and their agenda. There is a whole own eco system between those channels and their views, and shippers at large, to keep their shipper fantasies alive at all cost.
We know that T/K is one of the oldest, and the most popular one, among BTS ships, which relies on how fun and nice interactions between JK and Tae are to look at, how silly they used to be in the past together, and how some of their on stage behavior worked well in terms of “awakening” crazy fantasies among shippers. The most important in all of it though has always been that this ship contained the maknae and the next member closest to him in age, and thus also to many of those who ship them. But that of course isn’t all there is to it.
Since 2016 we’ve had 4 O’Clock and Scenery, both inspired by the same event, as well as vmin defining each other as their soulmate. These facts alone are, for me, a glaring contradiction for this whole T/K theory and any kind of romance existing within either T/K and J/K. For me, it’s a rather absurd thought to have a soulmate and also be in a romantic relationship (or harbor romantic feelings) for another person. Just like it’s absurd for me how supposedly two big JK and maknae ships are supposed to be real at the very same time and the band also exists at the same time as some form of background noise.
We also later on have Tae who wrote Sweet Night in which Tae sings about falling in love with his best friend, who has always been Jimin. Taking into account what Tae told that shipper on Weverse yet months later announced that 95z is love, that he sang Friends with Jimin, which was also co-written by Jimin, I very much doubt that there have ever been any romantic feelings from Tae toward JK (and vice versa).
I’d also like to note that Tae and JK didn’t spend any time together during their vacation in 2019 (according to them in the first episode of BV4), as well as JK having shown a kind of distaste toward the idea of one of Tae’s friends already having gotten married (or at least that’s what his facial expression looked like) which to me indicates the same thing they said in the ITS conversations: they’ve matured and their personalities have simply grown in different directions making parts of their friendship a bit awkward.
On the FESTA 2020 Rolling Paper Tae called JK his comedian while JK called Tae is safe place, which for me makes it sound that their bond is simply that of an older brother and his younger brother. I feel like during their ITS conversation they tried to communicate to us that they had some issues with each other but at the same time also try to somewhat negate all that obsessive romantic shipping that's been going on involving those two for so long. But that obviously hasn’t worked out.
Tae did say that he had to take certain steps and now he’s happier, but personally I believe that had far more of a connection to their work, or specifically Tae’s mixtape and the work and negotiations around it, since we know some of it might’ve been pushing the lines a little too much if BangPD felt the need to call him and ask him to tone it down a little. If I put on my delulu hat, looking at how happy Tae seems in recent months, I’d be inclined to believe this also had something to do with Jimin, who also seems to be in quite the happy mood as well.
Even if I’d step into a whole delulu tent, I see absolutely no connection to JK when thinking of all the things that could’ve been a factor that led to Tae’s happy state.
It’s easy to see that we’ve been getting more T/K interactions recently, which can be due to marketing strategies (since Tae’s mixtape is coming soon, and potentially also JKs since it’s been mentioned here and there last year) but also due to them getting closer again friendship wise after working through whatever was causing them to be awkward with each other (or at least slowly doing so). We all know that Tae is a very honest (as much as that’s possible in their line of work) and the only thing all of this shows us that Tae is simply showing us with JK that they’re doing better again, but none of their behavior in any way diverges or exceeds anything that’s normal for all of BTS and how touchy and full of affection they are with each other to various degrees. We have a whole post on the bias of body language as well.
Personally, I see no indication whatsoever for there being anything romantic about T/K, since that’s what you’re essentially asking about. After all Tae was the only one who had no idea about JKs drawing for Hobi, so if they were romantically involved, don’t you think JK would’ve showed it to him or at least told him about it?
I’d recommend listening to what Tae told us, remember that especially when we see him put his arm around JKs shoulder or touches his arm, that that isn’t a show of his romantic love for him, but just their normal level of BTS affection. Don’t let people convince you into buying into their agendas because at the end of the day, they have a lucrative business in doing so while, should it all one day come to an end, you will be the one that gets hurt due to their words and theories.
The sole fact that T/K relies on many of the same arguments as J/K, and both have JK as the part of them, is, for me, an indication that those ships aren’t real and instead that Tae and Jimin treat JK as their younger brother whom they love, just like all of BTS does. This is simply how BTS are. Everyone touches everyone’s arm, thigh, back, and hugs each other, it’s simply them being them. In order for a ship to be romantic and “real”, it takes a little more than just a touch of a thigh. There needs to be something more, like we’re able to find/see that something more with vmin, for example.
Tae is my bias and it always upsets me when people don’t respect him and the things he’s said.
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Sweet Night - Song analysis
So I decided to do a small analysis for Taehyung’s new self-written song “Sweet night” which is the OST for the drama “Itaewon Class”. It’s a very sweet song, and I am very proud of Tae. 
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I usually aren’t the biggest fan of completely English songs, but even though it’s a bit hard to hear the words clearly sometimes it doesn’t bother me much and I do like the melody, the lyrics and Tae’s voice. I’m really proud over Tae and how he seems to really embrace songwriting a lot more. But it’s quite a bittersweet song to be honest. Or at least it gives an uncertain feeling.
It is a song for a drama, so it is difficult to know how much of the song is from Tae and what might be done to fit the drama. He also isn’t the only writer. However I will speak from a perspective where we guess what it could mean if this is based on Taehyung’s personal feelings and of course also with a possible Vmin perspective.
For me this song (and even Scenery which has some similar parts and themes) seem to show a person who longs to be with someone but that feel like they have probably missed their chance. Or at least they aren't sure if there still is the same chance as there might have been before. And that it was their own fault that they missed their chance before as well, because as the song imply they didn't realize their own feelings from the start. The feelings changed at some point.
It’s a love song, but it’s a very unsure one. It’s uncertain about if there even is a future for that love, if it’s all too late, or even if it’s real at all (real as in If the other person would feel the same). So it’s not really a happy song even though it does have a small sliver of hope. For me it's about a lost chance in the past and wondering what might be there in the future. Let’s look at the lyrics and I will explain what I mean.
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Looking at the lyrics, Tae sings about how he can’t sleep and how he is telling us a “fragile truth”. Which means it’s something he is unsure about (not unsure about his own feelings, but if he should confess them or not), and maybe he doesn’t even know if it’s something he should talk about at all. It also seems like he is somehow still hope for something but that he worries that the chance is gone or that he doesn't know if the other person would feel the same. If we look at this as a traditional love song and that it’s about a particular person these are feelings he are very confused about and sad about. He still hopes despite it all though.
Referencing a window being open before and hoping a door can still open for them as well as using the image of two ships in the night, crossing each other for a short time, barely seeing each other and that Tae also already reached the shore. All of it seems to indicate that it could be too late for him and whoever he longs for. It also indicates that there was perhaps a short time where it looked like something was possible but that that time has already passed, but Tae hopes for a second change. (Similar to what he does in Scenery). He still wants there to be something that has been there before, that he missed at the time.
He also asks the question “Are you my best friend?” and this could be both ways, either that he isn’t sure if this person is his best friend, or that he isn’t sure if it’s more than friendship. Personally I think it's 'are we more than friends' considering the whole songs romantic tone. Either way the line about “rushing through my mind” is pretty obviously about him not being able to think clearly. That he is confused and overwhelmed by his feelings.
His next line about “I wanna ask you” if directed to the same person the song is about makes it seem he also doesn’t know if perhaps this thing between them is something real. Or if it’s something he alone is feeling. Basically it could be unrequited and he isn’t sure if his own image of the relationship matches with the other person. But it sounds like his impression is that it is something real between them, but he’s not sure if maybe he is imagining it.
Then he asks if this person is too good to be true, which again seem to point at either his whole image is just something he has built in his head or simply that this person is all he wants and he finds them almost too good to be true. This would match well with all the dreamlike feelings Tae has used to describe love in songs like Winter Bear or his Christmas song, which are much happier and idyllic. It’s possible that Sweet Night could be the step before Winter Bear and the Christmas song and show the progress of being happily falling in love. It’s also possible the other two songs are the more happy longing before he realizes their chance may have passed. If the songs would even talk about the same lovestory at all.
He also asks is it would be alright if he pulled this person closer. This could indicate a possible change in the future, but together with all the other references it seems to almost drown amongst the more negative outcomes of it being too late or one-sided. However it is the ending, and it’s also switched from past tense, so it could be the happy ending of a unsure time. Using "would it be alright if I pulled you closer?" is his wish and hope. Meaning he hasn't neccessarily given up even if he isn't sure about the other person's feelings.
Lastly there is the line “How could I know, one day I would wake up feeling more” and this piece of lyrics truly seem to point at this song being about a person falling in love with their best friend. One day everything is just different, the love is more than what it used to be.
So I guess this in combination with Jimin and in particular Taehyung having confirmed numerous times through the years that they are best friends is the main reason for why people thought of Jimin when they heard this song. Taehyung also seemed to use "My best friend" a lot prior to releasing this song and have pointed out Jimin as his "One and only best friend" making it difficult to not let your mind be drawn towards Jimin. Especially since Friends just came out and we clearly have in our minds how close Vmin are and how they consider each other not only best friends but even soulmates. Basically the timing of this song coming out so close to the album will make people react even more. I suspect this could also be a reason why Jimin hasn’t said anything about it like he tends to do.
Tae also said in his vlive with Namjoon how he gets inspiration from his own feelings a lot. He says “I tend to write what I have felt into the lyrics” and he also said he wrote this song while abroad, so it’s difficult to know if these feelings would be new or old as well. (Though if we consider it to be about Vmin and how they have acted recently it seems more likely to be old feelings.) It also makes Tae’s earlier songs more likely to be very personal and perhaps even reflect different sides of the same love story that he is describing here.
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Looking at Scenery in particular we can see a few common things, at the very least in theme and feelings.
Some lyrics from Scenery includes:
Will it be in me
I have my feelings now
That's the time of the moment
I missed my lost mind
I regret it
Collect a moonlight piece
I'll make the lights
Like yesterday
Come in front of me
I still wonder wonder beautiful story
Still wonder wonder best part
I still wander wander next story
I want to make you mine
Basically in Scenery we see some similarities with how Tae knows his feelings now, but that he also that he possibly regrets them, or rather perhaps regrets failing last time they had a chance. In combination with the lyrics for Sweet Night that could mean the other person came before him but Tae himself didn't have those feelings at that time. Something he later regret as his feelings change or become more clear to him. He also seems to want a second chance, asking for the person to come in front of him again. And also that he wants to make them his and looks forward to see what a possible future could hold. So a lot of similarities but in the end a bit more hopeful and certain compared to Sweet night. He knows what he wants, to make the other person his. So despite Sweet Night being a bit hesitant together with Scenery and even more with a Vmin perspective of all other Vmin songs, I think the outcome was a happy one.
That being said there are also many ways a feeling can change and be reinterpreted in a song. So even if the song is partly about his feelings it’s not possible for us to know how much or which parts, or when he felt this. 
I also haven’t seen the drama Itaewon Class so I can’t say how much the song fits in with the drama either. It’s not just Tae who has worked on the song, so it’s possible it’s also been altered to fit the narrative of the story more. Though I have heard people say it doesn’t really fit in with the relationships between the characters. But again, I haven’t watched it yet so I can’t say anything about it.
Anyways, assuming the song is based mostly on Taehyung’s own feelings (and not mostly fiction) there are in my opinion three ways to view it.
1. Just because he uses the phrase “Are you my best friend” it doesn’t automatically mean it has to be about Jimin. It could be about someone else, even someone we don’t know.
2. If it is about Jimin it could be a song based on old feelings and that things have already changed since Taehyung felt like this. Perhaps “Friends” even being the happy solution.
3. The song is about Jimin and it reflects Taehyung’s feelings now. At the very least he is hoping for more and is bold enough to release a song about it.
If I’m completely honest what it sounds like if we assume the best friend is Jimin is that Taehyung has realized he loves Jimin as more than a friend, but he doesn’t know what to do with that. He doesn’t know if that is a possible future for them and he isn’t even sure if it’s just him feeling this. Perhaps he is confused about both his own feelings as well as what Jimin could possibly feel for him.
It’s possible with option three that what we have seen all these years is actually Tae struggling with his own feelings without properly knowing what they are, but that now he knows but he feels scared about revealing them. It's possible he has reason to think Jimin might feel something more too based on their past lost chance. It’s also possible he hasn’t even said something at all to Jimin. That this song is just a way for him to express something that has been occupying his mind. It seems unlikely though, with the way Vmin behave and even more looking at their other songs possibly being connected.
I do find it interesting that he sings about feelings changing for someone, and even mentioning “best friend”. I think those are the parts that make this almost look a little bit like a confession from Tae’s side. And at the very least he has now shown that he probably agrees that you can fall in love with your best friend. It all keeps in fitting very well with Vmin… I can’t deny that.
Either way, what it looks like IF it even is about Jimin at all, is that their relationship is (or was) complicated and that Taehyung is a bit unsure and afraid about what they are and if Jimin would feel the same.
So, to me if this is something Taehyung truly feels and if it is about Jimin, I think Vmin are not in any kind of relationship but that perhaps Taehyung hopes for more. At the point in time of this song. Because we don’t know when Tae would possibly have felt like this or if he still feels it.
This is my take on the subject and the lyrics at least, and I can’t say it wouldn’t fit even though it sounds like a fanfiction. Especially since I personally have always felt more like Tae is the one showing potentially romantic feelings for Jimin, while Jimin has always been harder to read.
Anyways, I hope you enjoyed reading this. Personally I feel a bit sad looking at these lyrics and knowing it’s possibly something Tae has felt himself. But in the end we know Vmin are soulmates and love each other, so at least there is that.
EDIT: I feel I need to say that while this song on it’s own looks like it’s a bit sad and unsure I personally don’t think that if it’s about Vmin it would still be like this. It's about a moment in time, something Tae wonders if they can change. First I find it unlikely Tae would write a song like this if he hasn’t already either talked about his feelings or gotten over them, at least not if it’s about Jimin. And secondly it’s obvious Vmin are very close and happy recently so I don’t think there is any “angst” there at the moment. This analysis is based on the lyrics and I have no way to know when or even if Tae would have felt like this. 
Thanks for reading.
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