#anti avengers endgame

[gloriousburden]

i think they should make a movie where the writers actually like thor and loki

#how many more times are you gonna butcher their characters? #we need to talk more about how shitty the writers treat thor too. his writing in endgame was so… #you know… just because he’s a quote on quote rich kid space viking (words of taika waititi) #he still deserves a character arc from writers who actually understand what they’re working with and respect him/his fans. #fans who they (the writers directors and the studio in general) would be nothing without btw. #thor and loki deserve better #anti avengers endgame #anti thor ragnarok #thor ragnarok criticism #avengers endgame criticism #anti taika waititi #thor #thor mcu #loki #loki mcu

[kiraxcute]

The reason I think why Days of Future Past's visual effects have aged so well is because they didn't just shoot in a green screen area, they shot in sets and on location as much as possible and had the actors do choreography fighting with the Sentinels.

Also the screen isn't full of visual noise to distract you. When Colossus's wrist is twisted and his head crushed, when Sunspot and Bobby's necks are snapped, when Blink is stabbed, when Warpath is killed, all you see is what you need to see.

Unlike Endgame where there's so much happening it's distracting, Days focuses on what needs to be focused on

But noooooo Endgame is the superior movie NOT

#x men days of future past #days of future past #x-men #xmen days of future past #xmen dofp #dofp #anti avengers endgame #anti endgame #x-men days of future past

[rusted-soldier]

Thinking about how Bucky and Steve together and how Endgame never happened.

#bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky #my things #marvel fandom #mcu fandom #marvel text post #buckysteve #stevebucky #steve x bucky #anti avengers endgame #avengers endgame

[beheworthy]

I don't like seeing Thor in endgame. He needs so much love and everyone is bad to him or ignores him. I don't know what Jane's reaction would be.

i've always said that i loved what they did with him - him finally snapping under his failures.

the problem was everyone's reaction to him. it's unrealistic, to say the least. if a complete stranger started crying about his dead mother and girlfriend in front you, you surely won't be apathetic. but these supposed friends are like 'oh he's ruining the mood he's useless get him off'. i hate that it was treated as a joke. and in the end he gives up kingship FOR NO REASON. i hate all of it.

i'd have loved to see jane's reaction too 🥺 she'd have been compassionate and consoled him, hugged him and let him know everything will be okay 🥺🥺

we could have had some of that in thor4 if waititi didn't forget that thor has heterochromia eyes! she could have asked him what happened to his eye like his mum did. but he looks the same he did last she saw him so ofc there's none of that. love how waititi bypasses anything that could be even remotely interesting to get to anus jokes.

#answers #anonymous #thor #thor odinson #jane foster #thor x jane #anti avengers endgame #anti taika waititi

[taylorkellyreporting]

we don’t talk enough about steve and his betrayal being the reason tony relapsed

#just one more thing to hate him for #i can’t believe that after everything he did he was just allowed to go back to the past and have a happy ending #while all tony got was. death. #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti mcu #anti avengers endgame #tony stark deserves better #pro tony stark

[definitely-not-iorveth]

like i bet it was said before but i was out of touch with the fandom for a long time, so whatev, gonna say it anyway.

it is abso-FUCKING-lutely implausible that steve would just fuck off into the past forever and leave bucky in the hands of zola?????

he WOULD NOT okay. he would not.

like, even putting shipping context aside??? bucky is steve's best friend since forever. they love each other and would do anything to aid/save each other.

#stucky #anti mcu #anti avengers endgame

[captainmarveldefensesquad]

ok, so... Marvel keeps making me hate Endgame even more with every new content.

I mean, as much as I love Carol with all my heart, every other appearance of her is incredibly better than all her screentime in Endgame.

see, yes, I know that Endgame was filmed before Captain Marvel and all that shit. I have always said that the issue has never been the actual character and much less the actress. I understand why Carol was basically a cardboard character.

however.

I still hate that fucking movie, even when Carol is one of my favorite parts. like, yes, she did some awesome shit. it is super nice to watch her destroying Thanos' ship and fist-fighting him. Carol not flinching when he headbutted her was fucking great.

but watching destroying those Kree ships and yelling of joy was way more satisfying. not counting that it was a great catharsis after the movie story.

guess what, my favorite thing about Carol isn't that she shine like a star and uses her own body as a projectile.

I can talk a lot about Carol and stuff.

anyway.

the point is that Carol's cameo of 3 seconds and a half-line feels like an actual character. her reaction is more genuine than anything she does on Endgame (even if it's pretty nice that there's a little reaction there when she sees Fury, which, hey, look, the issue is the writing and not the actress).

#anti endgame #anti avengers endgame #captain marvel #carol danvers #mcu criticism

[alltingfinns]

I think I’ve cracked the code of what makes a Marvel Cinematic villain interesting or annoying.

Very oversimplified there are two extreme directions you can take a villain. Either they’re so sympathetic that they become a tragic hero of their own story, or they’re just unapologetically evil and hamming it up.

The Marvel Cinematic universe’s best villains have been one of either extremes. Prime examples are Erik Killmonger (hero in his own story) and Hela (evilly hamming it up all over the stage). These villains are interesting because they either compel us to reconsider the morality of the story or simply entertain us.

One may be more highbrow than the other, but both are generally memorable and interesting, and will work very well in elevating the right type of story. (Killmonger’s role greatly deepened the character of T’Challa, who otherwise would have come off as a bit too perfect in his own movie. Giving him doubts and new matters to consider. Hela played a similar role of lifting up the sins of the father, but she also showed how bad things get when someone of her power doesn’t give a shit, contrasting both Thor’s royal responsibilities and Bruce’s concern with Hulk.)

Then there are the forgettable villains that fall somewhere between the extremes, they’re neither really made to be sympathetic nor allowed to go overboard. They’re there to antagonize the protagonist, and as far as that is concerned, they can do a pretty decent job.

But the real problem, the villains that are memorable for all the wrong reasons, is trying to put both extremes into one character.

Thanos is the absolute prime example of this.

He is simultaneously “Ahahaha! Look at my evilness and despair!” while also made out to be the “hero” of his own story.

Several beats in Avengers Infinity War make it clear that we are supposed to sympathize with him. That we are supposed to think that he’s “only doing what he thinks is best” and that we only disagree because of a different moral view on the sanctity of life.

First and foremost; no.

His whole deal about population control falls apart even in his own argumentation. But that’s beside the point.

Because they still intersperse it with hammy villainy.

The most glaring dissonance coming when he “sacrifices” Gamora. Because in just a few scenes earlier, he had been pushing Peter Quill to kill her. While roughly holding her head in his hand.

It doesn’t matter if the reality stone kept her safe. He was still demonstrating a huge disregard for her safety and well-being, only keeping her alive for the info she had.

The “sacrifice” felt empty because we had no real reason to think he really loved her, in a twisted way or not.

Because they wanted him to be as villainy as possible, as he destroyed their hopes of stopping him.

So you get a character for which there is no consistent thread of emotional investment for the audience.

Are we supposed to hate him? Understand him? Want to bonk sense in him? Should we bask in his success or in his potential downfall? Are we supposed to think he’s right “from a certain point of view”? Or that he’s wrong not just morally, but like logistically.

(Not to get into it since it’s tangential to my point, but: if you can divide a populace into rich and poor people, is it really the whole population’s fault that resources are dwindling? Maybe try redistributing the wealth first, you fucking Malthusian genocidal asshole! Also why half? What arbitrary mathematics lead to 50% being the perfect “balance” of population?)

In short:

Sympathetic villains = good

Evil villains = good

Neither = meh

Both = stop, no! Please don’t.

#marvel #media critique #anti thanos #marvel cinematic universe #anti avengers endgame #avengers endgame #erik killmonger #marvel meta

[six-demon-bag]

🎶 hello darkness my old friend 🎶

#buckyposting #bucky barnes #saddest boi #winter soldier #captain america: civil war #tfatws #the falcon and the winter soldier #captain america: the winter soldier #avengers: endgame #anti endgame #fake steve #mcu textpost #sixdemon textpost

[hainethehero]

So I made the mistake of stumbling onto the NOT STEVE ROGERS FRIENDLY tag today and..

You have to be a special type of delusional to be this obsessed with a character you don't like!??

Over 2k fics have the tag and are almost entirely Tony Stark-centered fics. I'm assuming these are the "fans" who totally buy into the MCU canon and don't know any other Captain America lore outside of what Feige and Whedon have done. Or, they're the "fans" who refuse to understand the politics behind Steve's character and how he was inherently undermined throughout the entire ten years of the MCU by the directors and writers for most of the films.

Because the arguments in most of these fics for being "not Steve rogers friendly" are really surface level shit like:

1) "Steve refused to sign the Accords and broke up the Avengers" (he was right & he didn't break them up, an overemotional Tony did when he refused to listen to Bucky's side of the story).

2) Steve fought Tony and almost killed him (yeah, like Tony didn't blast Bucky's arm off and shoot his repulsor rays directly at Steve).

3)Steve is homophobic (y'all are just making up reasons to hate this man atp)

4)Steve is racist (Steve hated racists & you'd know that if you read the comics, or you guys are just that deluded that you're making Steve racist & trying to project it as canon and therefore a "reasonable" explanation as to why you hate him)

5)Blaming Steve for Rhodey's accident (WHICH WAS TEAM TONY'S FAULT!)

6)YALL, THEY MADE STEVE THE BAD GUY IN A BROCK RUMLOW/BUCKY FIC! I stg I cannot make this shit up💀 Steve's bad for wanting Bucky to be Bucky again, but somehow Brock's the good guy for wanting Bucky to be the Soldier...

Steve left Bucky for Peggy (we'll get to this soon)

There's a hundred more irrational reasons for the Steve Rogers hate, but let me get to the WORST part.

THERE ARE BUCKY STANS WHO ARE ANTI-STEVE ROGERS.

And I'm sorry, no. I don't accept that you love Bucky Barnes but hate the one person he loves the most in the world.

They argued in a couple fics that "Bucky also went rogue after Siberia but he didn't want to associate with Steve, Nat & the rest of the team- WHO HELPED RESCUE BUCKY & EVENTUALLY EXONERATE HIM- but rather, he went off on his own & eventually Tony finds him, they hash it out and become friends to lovers."

Helppp???? Wdym Bucky isn't gonna stick with the one man he's been keeping diaries about to try and get back his memories? But he'll go to the one guy that re-traumatized him by blowing out his arm again?

Not only that, but Bucky absolutely hates Steve in some of these fics and the reason will be, "he left Bucky to go back to Peggy." Like, you cannot be a serious fan if you're still going with the Endgame canon. For a majority of us, we recognize Endgame as being nothing but terrible writing and mischaracterizations. Why are yall not analyzing and interpreting media critically? The MCU has never been on Steve's side and have always diminished his character in an attempt to make Tony the ultimate hero of the OG 6. Don't yall know the discourse? It's embarrassing atp.

And this is my stance on the entire thing: there's nothing wrong with writing fics about characters you don't necessarily like or aren't interested in. It's OKAY if you don't like Steve Rogers- but you've gotta be rational about him, instead of hateful. Most, if not all of these "anti-steve" fics are written in bad faith. Bad understanding of the character and pure, shameless mischaracterizations which just makes these types of fics fickle and weak- hilarious to read though cos that Brock one had me deadddd😭💀.

#steve rogers #anti steve rogers #not steve rogers friendly #ao3 #stucky #stony #tony stark #fanfic writers #yall gon learn today #bad writing #captain america #mcu #marvel #avengers endgame #infinity war #iron man #cacw #bucky barnes #the winter soldier #think piece #ted talks #mischaracterization #steve rogers hate is unsubstantiated #kevin feige #joss whedon

[fotibrit]

god dammit Tony Stark sacrificed BEFORE he died. his death wasn’t “proof he wasn’t selfish” or any sort of gotcha for people who think tony stark would never sacrifice his comfort for the good of the team.

Tony Stark has been selfless and just as willing to sacrifice his comfort as any other avenger, BEFORE ENDGAME. He didn’t need to die to “prove” he cared for more than himself. His self-sacrifice wasn’t groundbreaking in his character development, it wasn’t even remarkable.

The only people suprised that tony was willing to die to save the world were people who closed their eyes every fucking time he was on screen up until that point. Yes, his death in endgame was selfless and a callback to Steve telling him he would never lay down on the wire.

But so was him flying into the wormhole. so was blowing up his suits for his girlfriends sake. so was him letting himself slowly die of blood poisoning rather than let his weapon fall in the wrong hands again. so was telling pepper to press the bottom that would kill both obie and tony in order to save everyone from obies suit.

Yeah, Tony sacrificing himself in the end was a good parallel. But it wasn’t some grand gesture of his willingness to sacrifice. he had already proved that time and time again. When I say that Tony’s ending wasn’t well done, it’s not because “he would never have sacrificed his new life”. Yes he fucking would. that’s my issue.

Tony’s ending wasn’t well done because he shouldn’t have had to. And it damn well should never have surprised the other characters that he was willing to.

#tony stark #iron man #marvel mcu #avengers #avengers endgame #anti endgame

[rusted-soldier]

Thinking about a world in which Steve retires but doesn’t leave Bucky so they have a little apartment in Brooklyn, and Steve stays up waiting for Bucky to come home after his missions so he can make sure he eats and bandages his wounds, and they stay together until the end of the line, and far beyond.

#bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky #marvel headcanons #marvel text post #mcu headcanons #mcu textpost #steve x bucky #stevebucky #domestic stucky #anti avengers endgame #avengers endgame can go fuck itself

[beheworthy]

That first gif (beheworthy/thor-odinson-children/shdqq6trqzs3) I never noticed that Jane is holding a small girl with pigtails and I can't hlp but think of them as parents, co-raising their kids together away from Asgard, happy and thriving and wow ♥🤧

Don't do this to me, Anon. I just-- they would have the cutest babies and be the best parents, okay! Thor would absolutely spoil them and Jane would have to reel Thor and the kids in. It would be the happy ending our thunder boy deserves after going through ALL THAT.

And I'm a firm believer that that is the ending he's going to get in the MCU. They've established - quite strongly - that this is his last wish. Very understandeable - he lost his family so he wants a family of his own.

Like how Tony wanted to do good and help people, Natasha wanted to do good and help people, and Steve just wanted to be with Peggy (according to Marvel), and they got exactly that as their ending, however badly done.

The scenario you described is all Thor wants - having a family with Jane away from everything. So, that is what he should be getting. Now, let's watch Marvel screw it up as well.

GIF from the post:

#thor #thor odinson #jane foster #thor x jane #answers #anonymous #anti avengers endgame

[faeriecap]

yeah tbh i cannot not see rebecca not ripping out his throat if she found out about this… marvel how the hell do you fuck up SO BAD like even IF that steve rescued that bucky it stands to reason it’s not “his” bucky at all and like.... why would he choose to help some random alternate bucky to staying behind and helping his ACTUAL best friend whom he RISKED DEATH AND STARTING A WAR FOR gOD i am so mad

#like ofc that timelines bucky doesn’t deserve anything he’s going through and needs help too but HES NOT STEVES BUCKY??? #BUCKY WAS STEVES BUCKY !!!!! #feels weird they think steve would go back to save a potential stranger at the expense of his own best friend he’d gone to the world n back #for thag is if he EVEN DID ANYTHING FOR ALT!BUCKY (doubtful) #i speak #steeb #bucket #becca <3 #steve rogers #bucky barnes #rebecca barnes #anti endgame #anti endgame steve #marvel #mcu #captain america #endgame #avengers endgame

[definitely-not-iorveth]

after rewatching the capt america mcu trilogy, i can not stress enough just how much i fucking hate endgame.

#anti mcu #anti avengers endgame

[imposterogers]

years later and its still on my mind so here are some v easy ways (imo) they could have made endgame better w/o changing the whole plot; 

-switched clint & thor’s storyline’s. in the beginning of the film, thor chops thanos’ head off without remorse. it would have made more sense for him to go into a beserker’s rage for five years & play judge and executioner rather than clint. clint, after losing his entire family goes into a deep depression and locks himself away in a shitty nyc apartment, formally retiring from “hawkeye”

-instead of nerfing steve��s entire character, have him officially become nomad and spend years on the road searching for answers. he watched his best friend die for the second time in front of him, he lost his right hand man and bestie sam, he watched hundreds blink away in an instance-- those are the people he should have been mourning (not a woman who died of old age years prior). he’s a stubborn bastard who would die before he gave up, and he should have been the one to end up in a san fran warehouse and let scott lang out of the quantum realm instead of a rat 

-the avengers should have gone back in time to get more pym particles so they could do infinite runs (that was a major plot whole) and retcon, BUT so that there was legitimate stakes, they realize that the more they mess w the timeline and travel thru the quantum realm, the more they “fade away” and glitch (like ava starr slowly dying in antman 2)

-instead of reintroducing billions upon billions of lifeforms to a post apocalyptic society, the avengers should have used the infinity stones to make it so that the Snap never happened and reset the timeline. no one would know the sacrifices they made, but that was ok. then phase 4 would have had a fresh start rather than trying to write around the plot holes that endgame made 

-the film should have ended with all the surviving avengers at a schwarma place just like in avengers 1, but this time we would know it was the last time we’d ever see them all together

#anti endgame #long post #avengers