#LNTAO

[loganslowdown4]

It’s been 5 years!??!!!

WHAT IS TIME

#wheeeee #this was my first ep and how #long I’ve been in the fandom #so happy 5 years to me being here too! #thomas sanders #sanders sides #Logan sanders #LNTAO

[autisticlogankin]

This endcard ages like spoiled milk

#ts critical #sigh #i want canon episodes back #lntao #sanders sides #video #patch.txt

[riseuplogan]

As much as a fuss everyone makes about the fuss everyone makes about Logan refusing to become a puppet I still think Virgil at least respects his choices fairly well ("only if you want to" at the end) (and also character Thomas helps find suitable reasoning for Logan remaining in his human form that he's comfortable with)

#sanders sides #logan sanders #virgil sanders #c!thomas #lntao

[analogicalreasoning]

welcome to the sasi fandom!! my fave analogical moment is in LNTAO when logan is getting frustrated and virgil interrupts him to say "you're lost... it's okay" in that quiet caring voice... ohhhhh they love each other sm

YEAAA AND AND The following lines are so good too!! Virgil comforting Logan that he doesn't Have to be serious all the time because he's been there before! He's been lost and wanted to be taken seriously too because that was his job, but now he's learned that it's more beneficial to Thomas if he's a "pal" rather than a "gloomy dude" because there's collaboration instead of fighting!!

"No one wants to be a joke" "but a life free of jokes is incomplete" staring at Logan so hard, Im so proud of him he got it in the end 💙

Also thank you for inviting me in, I'm happy to be here!! /g

#virgil sanders #logan sanders #sanders sides #ts virgil #ts logan #analogical #ts LNTAO #hehehehehe virgil comforting logan after logan comforting virgil all these times

[we-all-horny-here]

Logan and Roman have so many issues between them and I need them to make out abt it

#rewatching lntao and all I can think of is logince gay sex tbh #logan rambles #ts roman #ts logan #ts logince

[emoprincey]

The thing is that the whole point of Sanders Sides is that the sides literally love each other so much. I'm not exaggerating at all, the whole plot is about the sides learning to work together and being accepted by each other and Thomas in spite of (or even because of) their flaws. And it doesn't work unless they care about each other so so much. Do u get me

#sanders sides #im watching lntao and it just rlly hit me how much these guys care abt each other #i have a meeting in 5 minutes i shouldn't be crying rn skdjfjk

[transfemlogan]

Where did you get that Patton hates Logan?

literally every interaction they have /j /silly

im exaggerating, i dont think patton genuinely HATES logan or something.

but they interact like theyre coworkers who get along bcuz they work in the same area. theyre very obviously not friends, if u watch szn 2 u can see that NEHRKFN

id need 2 rewatch the series 2 get specific examples bcuz i dont have timestamps in my mind rn but the way logan treats virgil, his close friend, is so different from how he treats patton, an aquaintance, & then how patton treats roman (in szn 1) & then how he treats logan. which is why i don't think they r friends.

logan treats virgil w/ genuine compassion & care, & then will turn around & treat patton like shit. & then like. patton & roman feel like actual buddies & then it feels like patton just treats logan politely bcuz they stand across from each other.

#ask #im exaggerting when i say patton hates logan #but patton has not shown 2 care about logan at all except 4 like. 2 be polite #like in pof after logan guilt trips everyone #or like. #i cant even think of another time patton cares abt logan NSHEKFBFH #virgil is shown 2 care abt logan in lntao but patton does not give 2 shits abt logan in that epiaode at all. he just cares more #abt whether or not logan plays along w/ them #I DONT MEAN 2 USE VIRGIL AS AN EXAMPLE BCUZ OF IM AN ANALOGICAL FAN OR ANYTHING #ITS JUST AN EXAMPLE 2 SHOWCASE HOW DIFFERENTLY LOGAN & PATTONS DYNAMIC R WRITTEN VERSUS THEIR RELATIONSHIPS W/ THE OTHER SIDES #ask 2 tag

[ralexsol]

need me a sanders sides episode about dealing with fucking stress

#sanders sides #whatsupray? #i am Going Through it atm #every time a family member comes and fucking bothers me i want to hiss at them like a feral cat #LEAVE ME ALONE I ONLY HAVE SO LITTLE PRECIOUS TIME TO MY FUCKING SELF #i watched lntao to destress but none of the other sanders sides episodes are as good as it is at destressing me #it's the one i go back to the most

[theepsizet]

Announcement: Update on Real-Life Events

Ok, 2-day is the day that I’ll be leaving (for about two weeks) for Spain & South France so I may or may not be around here.

Come to think, I’ll rarely be on Tumblr. But with that in mind, what’s going to happen afterwards?

1: Sanders Sides Posts

About time, really. I haven’t been working on it that much b/c of exams, but I really want to get back to them:

Logan-centric

Remus-centric

Personal analysis on LNTAO

Personal thoughts on DWIT

2: Fanfics?

This one is a bit more tricky, but I have some drafts and I’m hoping to get to them as well (and maybe give some sneak previews). This might be easier to do while I’m in Europe, but I also really want to get to drafting them out and, perhaps, share them. Maybe. Probably. We’ll see. Ok, that’s it for now, so I’ll have to say is bye! Oh and enjoy this Crazy Ex-girlfriend song about cats and their (ironic) symbolism with loneliness.

#update #announcment #sanders sides #logan sanders #remus sanders #lntao sanders sides #dwit sanders sides

[intrulogical]

do new sanders sides fans know about innerworks. or that one day video delay for accepting anxiety pt. 1. or the ready as ever as i'll ever be animatic. or how we thought the drought of content leading up to lntao was long. or that post that blew up after clbg saying "virgil was never a dark side and even if he was he is too good to be one" or something like that. or how people personified thomas' other skit characters like the months and the stove because we were Desperate during the lntao drought. or how everyone thought virgil's name is angel.

#/lh btw if ur new u dont have 2 know tjese things #rambles #sanders sides

[loganslowdown4]

/images from patreon video under cut

You’re gonna have to put up with me gushing about this

So STORYTIME

Myself and @miguel-manbemel were talking about the livestream that aired on the YouTube membership after Learning New Things About Ourselves and Thomas and Joan had mentioned in it that they were thinking about posting the footage of Thomas acting out what the puppets were supposed to do as reference to Nate, the puppeteer, on his second channel. Well since nothing had manifested from that, I proposed Miguel and I ask if Thomas could release the footage to patreon if he still had it/had time. Well the man actually wrote that down and turns out? He still had it!

So my fellow fanders, if y’all have Patreon or are thinking of getting it, this is your sign to got for it. It is AMAZING to watch. LNTAO without puppets lol

And now imma talk about it to death here I gooooo 😂

First my favourite screen shots of the boys as human puppets 🩵💙💜❤️

❥quick little sneaky 4th wall smile from Pat 😍

❥’An ARM’ funniest joke in the whole Ep of amazing jokes

❥Virgil almost saying LOVE 😳

❥Stretchy arm Logan ❤️💙

One joke that ws not clear to me all these years:

C!Thomas: Let’s not point fingers

Puppet!Patton: *points a finger* You can say that again *realizes he’s pointing a finger* Whoops butterfingers.

I’ll tell u I never understood bc the puppet can’t point a finger! 😂

✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩✩

More Patton beloved 🥹🩵🤍

Roman ❤️ getting hit in the eye

If he only knew how much Logan regretted it 💔😔

I love him so much here. Seriously none of them have to even wear the outfits, you just know it’s that character. He can wear green all he wants! 😅

Virgil 💜 I still can’t get over Virgil’s face when he almost says ‘when you love someone’ 😳😂 nooo they can’t know I love themmmm

The laughing is him doing the Count bit

Joan hug is ‘don’t hug me I’m scared’

Logan 💙

I feel like this whole thing proves the sides should have ‘casual day’ at some point

Logan as a robot but human is just LOOK AT HIM 🥺💙

Lemme do a reblog Ive got more…

#thomas sanders #sanders sides #roman sanders #logan sanders #ts roman #patton sanders #ts logan #virgil sanders #LNTAO #puppet episode #patreon #Thomas sanders patreon #without puppets

[rambling-prince-thoughts]

i got to thinking after yesterday’s post (linked here if you haven’t read it) about svs and decided to talk a little more about patton and logan’s relationship in specific contexts throughout the series.

as thomas explained to us in a behind-the-scenes video, logan and patton’s names were derived from logos and pathos, both of which are a form of appeal in persuasion. logos pertains to logical fact and reasoning and pathos pertains to emotion. very in-line which logic and morality, aka logan and patton.

so in essence, they’re opposites. we see this in one of the earliest sanders sides videos— THE MIND vs THE HEART— where logan and patton have differing opinions on the same matter, and they tend to cause thomas a great deal of confusion and anxiety when he tries to make a decision regarding those matters.

it’s the question that everyone often gets asked: do you listen to your mind more, or your heart?

however, one thing that stays consistent throughout the series is that patton, as the moral compass, is the most often listened to. thomas relies heavily on his emotions to get things done, specifically as seen in svs and svs redux. but patton also seems to know when something is missing, and encourages thomas to listen to the other sides.

an example of this would be “Accepting Anxiety” where patton calls out roman and logan for not realising that virgil’s absence is the cause of thomas’ current state of mind.

like i mentioned in my previous post, patton is usually the one to ask for logan’s input, and often needs logan to explain the things that he can’t put into words. there are lots of examples of this in LNTAO, where patton and logan are able to understand each other’s points of view and put them into easier terms.

i also have to mention this little moment of patton waving excitedly when logan pops up— it’s clear that patton does value logan both as a person and as one of thomas’ sides, and that he’s also important.

first is the part where thomas figures out that he’s stuck in a loop, but he can’t quite understand why. the rest of the sides are unable to provide an answer, until patton chimes in with his own explanation, which despite being confusing, is the only explanation that anyone had been able to think of. patton is unable to elaborate because as he says, “words can be tough”.

but logan is able to pick up on what patton meant and provide a more clear understanding. he also finds that patton is correct, and it was an ingenious solution.

he holds back his admiration, possibly because of his reputation as “unfeeling” and also not wanting to admit that someone else made a valid point. even less so that the person who made that valid point was patton, who usually was silly and lighthearted but who thomas listened to most, too.

in fact, he disregards patton’s comment of “puppets!” simply because he finds it ridiculous and unlike roman who immediately backtracks on his skepticism (which is a whole other post), he stays unwavering on his opinion of patton’s suggestion.

when logan doesn’t agree with everyone else turning into puppets, patton is the first to try and convince him by telling him that they need him there.

as logic, it’s logan who prioritises learning, and patton knows this. he also knows how much logan likes to teach others about things, so he appeals to that emotion to persuade logan to stay. he doesn’t even insist on logan changing into a puppet, he just asks that logan stays for the entire conversation.

he even backs logan up when logan and roman are fighting about the usage of “figuratively”, by telling roman not to assume which logan thanks him for.

when logan finally snaps and throw the paper ball at roman, it labels him as the problem, as he instigated physical violence against roman (even though roman was egging him on). so logan decides that he needs to leave, similar to how he did in “Moving On”. at this, patton finally raises his voice too, telling logan that he needs to stay and they can’t have the conversation without him, he’s part of the sides too.

when thomas agrees to hear logan out, patton agrees too, once again asking logan for his thoughts on the matter. he seems to be diffusing the situation as best as he can, and that means allowing everyone to speak once and be listened to.

logan refers back to the point that patton made, and acknowledges it as something that patton came up with instead of simply saying that there was a point made and listing it out. he could have easily said that it goes back to a point they’d established earlier, but even though he hid his admiration, he’s still giving patton credit where credit’s due.

another interesting thing: when logan insists that he’s not a joke, that he can’t be seen as such, the camera pans to patton and you can see his reaction through the puppet face. you can imagine what patton must be thinking right now as he puts the pieces together.

finally, during the puzzle song, logan is first to object and wants to get back to discussing things seriously without grasping that that’s what they’re doing, just not in the way he’s used to. once again, patton calls out to him, pleading with him to understand. he’s the only one making such a genuine effort to have logan be part of what they’re doing since he thinks that it might really benefit thomas.

so at the end, when everything is sorted out, patton is relieved that everyone has gotten along and that logan seems to be on par with the situation.

it’s clear that patton listens to logan the most out of all the other sides, and that logan expects patton to listen to him and heed his words. that’s why he was so shocked during the events of svs when he thought that patton had betrayed him by intentionally keeping him out of the courtroom scenario. patton’s comments are usually also understood best by logan, who clarifies them into more logical points for the others.

they’re meant to work together as a team. one cannot function without the other, otherwise thomas will be at risk to making entirely rational choices and forget to have empathy, or at risk to making choices on emotion alone and burning himself out.

that’s it for this post! join me again next time where i discuss patton’s character and how he’s trying really hard, but also failing intensely.

#sanders sides #rambling prince thoughts #logicality #second logicality post in a row woohoo #the glasses gays are on my mind #you can read this as platonic or romantic logicality #either way they’re definitely meant to work in tandem #slight logan angst #i hope things get sorted out in the season finale bc i cannot deal with any more of this #logan sanders #patton sanders

[clydesavage-thefox147]

So wait, is Quil not aware of the fourth wall breaks for them being aware it's a series? Is that retconned? Are the sides no longer aware? Is it like a reality show to them..like they're aware of cameras but minimally scripted and all real?(seemed like that from the Anniversary Vid)

Am I reading too much into a blooper, probably.

Also Roman..It wasn't just Logan, Patton also called himself daddy as well called you and Logan it in LNTAO, get your facts straight. I know that's impossible for you but try lol

#sanders sides #sanders sides fandom #thomas sanders #roman sanders #logan sanders #patton sanders #remus sanders #virgil sanders #janus sanders

[justyourtypicaltuesday]

So What's Up With Logan? - a speculating post for the season 2 finale

While I, like everyone else, am anticipating the season finale, I thought I might as well summarise my thoughts in a post.

In LNTAO, Logan outright explains he's irritated with being repeatedly ignored.

"There will be times in which I must be heeded and given our... current circumstances... I clearly haven't been."

This really stands out to me. It's no secret that due to being consistently talked over, shut up and disregarded, Logan's struggling to deal with his emotions- and keep up the facade he puts up pretending he doesn't have any. This is only evidenced further when he throws paper at Roman. But this quote almost feels like foreshadowing, suggesting that there will come a time Logan's the only side with the right answer, and because of the sides and c!Thomas' practice, they won't listen to him and will exacerbate the problem doing so.

Another interesting quote from LNTAO is hidden in plain sight- the overlapping verses from Logan and Thomas in Incomplete.

"This just serves as a testament to the fact that you have a temperament, which is fine, you just haven't accepted it, if you'd let them finish they'd get to the-"

"This just serves as a testament to the fact that to me you're negligent, which is fine, it just works to your detriment, you not letting me finish is proving my-"

Both verses here provide context into Logan's character. This confirms that c!Thomas is fully aware that Logan has emotions, specifically a temper, and that, in his eyes, the song was an attempt to get Logan to accept that part of himself. This could be setting up a very powerful scene in the finale, Janus and/or Thomas confronting Logan at a point when Logan pretending he doesn't have emotions is actually damaging Thomas as a whole.

Additionally, Logan feels neglected by Thomas. That's a word which is not used lightly. He points out that being ignored is actively causing detriment to Thomas, which he conveniently doesn't hear as he's talking (singing?) over him at this point in time.

They're both right. Logan is ignored to the point of detriment, but he also thinks highly of himself ("I'm the most important side here!") and often disregards the others' contributions until he's actively proven wrong. This is a repeated character flaw of Logan's. It's also seen Growing Up, Moving On, and even in Asides like Can Plushies Improve Our Health?. While Logan's been the cause of minor conflicts in the series, having him cause a problem on a scale similar to Patton in POF would be intriguing to see from a narrative standpoint. It's clear that in the latest episodes, Logan is struggling and maybe at some point soon, constantly being antagonised by c!Thomas and the other sides is going to have an effect.

This brings me to WTIT. This is the last plot-dependent episode we've had, so it naturally is where a lot of my theories are coming from. While we can see a lot of Logan's progress as a character- specifically in prioritising Thomas' mental health- we also see his lowest point so far. Thomas' mental health has been steadily declining since SvS, introducing Remus, the discussions during POF and this episode all make it obvious. And this is reflected in Logan. Despite taking precautions and relaxing the schedule so Thomas feels comfortable, Logan loses his cool when he yells at Remus. What the orange eyes mean is TBD, but Logan's emotions in that moment say one thing and one thing only: he can't keep it down much longer. Each time we see Logan lately, he's been more and more distressed. In LTNAO, he throws paper at Roman, in SvS he's left out. In DWIT he's exasperated the whole time trying to calm down the others. In POF he's clearly done with exerting any amount of effort getting them to listen to him. And here is the result of all that pent up anger.

"I just want to help Thomas become the best version of himself he can be, and in order to do that, he needs to listen to me. Unlike yours, my methods aren't the flashiest, and it's not very often I get the chance to get through to him. Please understand my insistence on the matter."

The words right before his outburst mean a lot too. Logan's been already established as a perfectionist, but here he outwardly admits his goal is to improve Thomas as much as possible. We've already seen c!Thomas second-guessing himself because of difference in opinion between sides, so here's an opportunity to explore Janus v Logan conflict. Logan questioning Janus' advice to Thomas to take it easy could mean that the rest isn't as effective as it could be and cause a problem they'll need to discuss. Logan's been largely absent from Janus-related episodes, so an argument in which Janus explains Thomas has worth as he is while Logan is focused on perfectionism and improvement is not unbelievable at this point in the story.

On the topic of Janus, I believe he's going to play a huge role in Logan's character development. The main thing holding Logan back is that he's lying to himself. He repeatedly insinuates and sometimes outwardly states that he doesn't have feelings, and both c!Thomas and Janus know this is a lie.

"I don't feel anything."

"Oh, of course you don't."

My theory is that Janus, as practically a living lie detector, is going to confront the sides about the lies they tell themselves, and being more truthful about themselves will help Thomas long-term. While this can be explored for each side, I'll save that for a post for another day and point out how specifically Logan's lie about not having feelings is already questioned multiple times in the series, setting it up to be confronted soon.

In conclusion, my speculations for the season finale are:

Logan's going to have another outburst- in full view of c!Thomas and the other sides this time, and it will have to be addressed.

Janus/Thomas and Logan are going to confront each other, Logan over being repeatedly ignored and sidelined, and the others over Logan consistently lying about not feeling emotions.

Logan is going to be the outright antagonist in at least one episode of the finale, along the lines of Patton in POF.

On the contrary, in one episode Logan will have the right answer, but be ignored because... well, duh.

Janus v Logan conflict is going to be a large plot point- addressing perfectionism and to what extent you should accept yourself as you are and to what extent you need to work on growth.

If you got this far, thanks for reading. It's my first post as a blog and I hope you enjoyed reading my guesses to what we'll see surrounding Logan in the finale. I'm planning on continuing with in-depth analysis of other sides and other theories I have, but so far this is what I've gathered in regards to Logan's direction at this point in the series.

#sanders sides #ts sanders sides #ts logan #logan sanders #janus sanders #ts janus #sanders sides theory

[rosepetalgold]

Roman threatening to eat Logan's flashcard after it hit him in the throat in a LNTAO blooper

vs Remus getting the chance to eat paper as a treat in TSNAND

✨ Notecard-eating twins ✨

#a typical hobby for siblings to share of course #nothing to see here #just two brothers having a healthy snack of some processed tree products #sanders sides #ts spoilers #ts roman #roman sanders #ts remus #remus sanders #creativitwins

[transfemlogan]

Also i never correctly rewatch sanders sides. I always skip episodes & its still hard 2 rewatch NSHSJFND

#i skip the moving on episodes #& lntao #& (if i ever got there) the fwsa asides #revy.txt #reasons: i am an autistic loveless romance repulsed aromantic so i dont like watchint the moving on episodes bcuz #its centers heavily around romance & i dont want 2 be Mean but it is really... annoying 2 watch #ive never gone thru a bad break up bcuz.. i dont. date people #so watching moving on is annoying bcuz. i dont get c!thomas' feelings & will never get his feelings. #does this make me sound like those ppl who didnt watch turning red bcuz it was abt an asian teenage girl . i promise im very normal NDHDKFN #i dont watch lntao bcuz it makes me really upset . its like fine 4 the 1st few minutes #i can get around 8 2 10 minutes in2 the episode b4 i have 2 stop. #it makes me very upset & uncomfortable & angry #& i never watched fwsa . it felt like prinxiety bait &i dont like the nico plotline & again! involves romance