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incorrect-nosgoth · 4 months
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Kain: This is bothering me.
Vorador: Well, you are digging up a corpse.
Kain: No, not that. That's pretty par for the course, actually.
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necromancer-4-hire · 3 months
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Legacy of Kain for fun: Kids Planned, Oops, Denial
(This post is for entertainment purposes; I'm fully aware that vampires in LOK are sterile... Raziel obviously as a wraith. Either way enjoy.)
Kain: Isn't interested in being a father; considering he literally raised six lieutenants from death. Outcome: "Oh you're expecting...well shit fine." You're in good hands and expect to see a new banner hanging from the rafters if you have a son.
Raziel: "Yes have my babies." As a vampire he wants them to carry on his sexy superior genes. Big ass baby shower; swans and freaking servants tending to your every need. (As a wraith Raziel is perplexed...but he does not object your pregnancy... Very laid back but pleased. "I hope they get to keep their jaw and organs at least...")
Turel: This one is definitely planned. Turel won't consummate your relationship and take parental duties until he's sure both of you can handle it. Little does he know that no matter how much he plans you never know what parenthood is going to throw at you. (Outcome: "Congrats Turel you have twins.")
Dumah: "Who wants kids when you have me?" That's Dumah's way of thinking anyhow. Until one steamy night he forgets to be careful. Yes big oops on his part. He freaks out at first but gradually warms up to the idea. Happiest man of the year award.
Rahab: Planned but not stubborn about it. Things happen and if you end up carrying his child then he takes responsibility and marries you on the spot. Responsible but let's nature run it's course. He did choose you after all.
Zephon: DENIAL all the way. "No way that's mine!" As many fledglings as he has you'd think he'd be okay with the idea... Nope. He comes around eventually and sucks it up. That dad that gives his child a motorcycle their first birthday. If you're carrying his child then Zephon knows to step up and take care of what's his.
Melchiah: No way... really??? He's beyond belief but ecstatic. Welcomes the news with open arms and he's not ashamed one bit. He's so happy you're his... Definitely the kind of guy that says: "Let's have another."
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Vorador: Are you kidding? He's got babies everywhere. But these are special babies. Since you're his main you will be taken care of and doted on. Not planned and not an accident. Vorador is known to be a good father.
Janos: Planned. Period. Are we ready? Man of tradition and devotional mate. Does everything he can to make you comfortable for when that time comes but freaks out when you're in labor. Pulls a Ricky Ricardo and heads to the hospital and forgets to take you with him.
Sebastian: Oops... considering his busy schedule he doesn't know your carrying his child until your far enough along. He's not object to the result of your love making but that just means he's got to do double time to support that extra mouth to feed. He marries you eventually but just know Sebastian means business and won't let you and his fledgling down.
Marcus: Denial... your mind shouts truth. But Denial. He can't believe it; how could he be so stupid?! Yes he runs... but he looked up to Vorador so much he owns up to the truth. He apologizes and takes care of you and the new addition to your lives.
Faustus: Doesn't take you seriously but caves when he realizes your telling him the truth. He's in shock but accepts the result without any issues. Surprisingly responsible and pleased with himself and you better believe he's not letting you go. Already planned on calling them Faustus II...
Magnus: Definitely an oops. But since he knew he wanted you to begin with it's no surprise that you're expecting. He's a man of his word and will marry you... expect lots of babies though. Absolute family man.
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monkie-keebs · 3 months
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What The Hexx?? P2: Turel
•Series TItle: What The Hexx??
•Prompt: “Bathroom door is accidentally locked from the inside. How would everyone react desperately trying to get it open?” 
•Fandom: Legacy of Kain
•Rating: G- General; No real warnings here. It’s a calm and humorous prompt that I wanted to keep pretty chill and wholesome. 
•Small Author’s Note[s]: I was determined to fit them all on here, in order of raise [1-6], accordingly, but I’ll have to post them on different parts with different posts to a series. These are too long for one post. Ehehehhh. I only see it fit that they all have a fair go at this random and oddly annoying hindrance. [No Vampires were harmed in the making of this little skit, I assure y’all!]. Plus a lil’ bonus for a few other beloved vampires!~
 •Premise: -It wasn’t something that happened all too often, so when some foul, scorned individual comes around to hex the door to the bathroom, it’s gonna be a hectic and unfortunate day-unless there are those who know their way around a lock-spell. Footsteps were a lucky and rather insightful rekindling of previously waning hope. You called to whomever was passing by the hindrance of a door. Your chords were aching after a stressful moment of back-to-back pleas. After a deep and annoyed sigh, you took your irritable frustration and rammed headlong into the door with your shoulder taking the brunt of the force. Feeling even more disgruntled and twice sore, you heard a cordial clearing of a familiar, muffled voice.
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•Lieutenant Turel-He was made well aware of your trapped predicament when Lt. Raziel had flagged him down with the utmost worry upon his brow. Turel would certainly be on him about that little bit for the next several weeks. You’d be sure to hear about it first. He shook his head with a disgruntled, yet subtle sigh. He would always come to your aid, but of course, he’ll do it with such a stoic demeanor, but he’d mean very well all the same. When he strode up to the hindering door, you knew upon immediate revelation that it was him based on his heavy footfalls and the specific ringing and consistent jingling patterns of his armor and chainmail. He cleared his raspy, yet fair chords. His ears relaxed in alertness, as he channeled his focus on the tone and direction of your voice, “Are you alright? I was given notice by a rather panicked Lt. Raziel that you’ve been stuck in here for a short while, am I correct?” He leaned forward to assess the lock and mechanism, as well. 
“I’m stuck, yes, and he didn’t seem very worried whenever he was standing here gawking about how silly it seemed for me to be trapped in here, as if it were my fault or something,” Your heart sank in the thought of that reality, but Turel quickly reassured and corrected that worrisome thought.
“It was quite the opposite show whenever he fumbled his words to me in such a fluster and panic-he practically cried,” Turel brushed and rested a talon under his chin as he continued to examine the lock. His eyes were very squinted and struggled to focus on the obstruction. He raised his brow, again, with subtle frustration growing quickly. Then an idea struck: Why not use himself as a battering ram!
“Turel?” After a moment of silence, your heart began to sink as subtle scuffles dwindled to disruptive silence, “Are you there-What is going on? Did you–” 
…“BAM!!”…
With the sudden impact of the Vampire’s sudden charge, the entire foundation surrounding the walls and door trembled and shook from the sudden jostling blow that it so unwillingly endured. After your brief moment taken to steady your shaken breath and calm your panicked being, you called out to address any damage on the other side. A loud grunt followed after the steadying and creaking of the foundation. It seemed to have held up rather well, in this unfortunate predicament. 
“I may have underestimated my attempts, but I shall go and gather more assistance and troops, even. I will do what I can to get you out, dear Y/N,” I’ll be swift in my endeavors.” Even though Turel’s footfalls were clumsy and seemed disoriented, it was quite a chivalrous effort, even then, to continue onward in the efforts to assist and free you from such false imprisonment. 
[P3-Dumah; coming soon]
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rabbitholesitrippedon · 9 months
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Under appreciated story spotlight: The legacy of Kain
In a world full of cool rabbit holes, you might occasionally forget the one that most of us have fallen down at least once in our lives, fiction. So I've elected to occasionally cover a short summary of the lore of a particular book/game/movie/whatever I feel like covering, this is my blog and you can’t stop me MOM.
For this one, we’ll be covering a PS1/PS2 era game series known as The legacy of Kain. heads up, I’m bound to get some of this wrong, so I encourage those steeped in the lore to correct me. Get the series here:
In the early ages of Nosgoth there lived an ancient race whose origins and purpose are lost to us. all that remains are ruins, the reaver, and the Pillars. The ruins depict the race as angelic creatures, wings of black and skin of blue, in these depictions they fought a demonic race, much like them yet clearly different, muddy brown skin and sharp fangs.
The murals also depict the reaver, a weapon known in the modern age as a terrible and powerful weapon that none can stand against. William the tyrant used the weapon to force his will upon all who stood in his way, but they also depict the raising of the Pillars.
These Pillars are of unknown design and beyond any magic of the modern day, but it is clear that they serve the purpose of keeping the world in balance. The virtues of the Pillars are: Mind, Dimension, Conflict, Nature, Balance, Energy, Time, States, and Death. Each Pillar is overseen by a guardian who embodies its nature, and the guardians are overseen by the balance guardian, making "The circle".
When a member of the circle is slain, they are immediately reborn into a new body, and return to the circle when they come of age, in this there is always balance in the land of Nosgoth.
With the background out of the way we may discuss the modern age in earnest. It is a land plagued by vampires and bandits. A notable and old vampire, named Vorador, recently slew many members of the circle. This unfortunately included a woman by the name of Ariel, the balance guardian.
Ariel and the mind guardian, Nupraptor, had been deeply in love and upon discovering of her death Nupraptor went mad with grief. With his strength of mind and connection to the pillars his madness soon spread to the other members of the circle, all were tainted.
Several decades later we finally meet the titular Kain, a down on his luck, stubborn, confrontational nobleman. Kain is found and killed by a band of brigands at night, a rather prompt end to the person you’d believe to be the main character. However his traits of stubbornness and confrontation will aid him in the millenia to come, for Kain is not quite dead yet.
Mortanius, the guardian of death, finds the corpse of Kain and to an unknown end he elects to resurrect Kain as a vampire, setting him upon his killers in a task of revenge. Kain, in his quest, stumbles upon information about the circle, its imperfection due to Nupraptors madness.
Kain vows to cleanse the circle of its corruption for the sake of saving the world's balance, systematically killing the members of the circle so that they can be reborn. In the process Kain had come to be in possession of the Reaver, and with the aid of a stranger, had the opportunity to travel back in time.
This held interest for Kain, if he could travel back he could kill William the tyrant, prevent the lands from falling to their current ailments, perhaps even save the circle before it too fell. Travelling back Kain found William, welding also the Reaver blade. The identical blades clashed, and Kain was victorious.
Returning to the present Kain found the world in a worse state than he’d left it, the circle was still corrupted, many lay dead by his hand as it had been before his journey, but now instead of a land wrought by bandits and vampires brought about by the horror of William the tyrant, it was a land of vampire hunters and a dwindling vampire population brought about by the martyrdom of William the saint, slain by a vampire in his prime.
All this was a ploy by the time guardian, Moebius, so that he could rise as the saviour of Nosgoth and founder of a vampire hunting organisation. His life didn’t last much longer once Kain arrived to cleanse him as he’d done to the others of the circle, but it was too late, the vampire purge was almost complete.
Mortanius stood at the site of the pillars awaiting Kain and revealed to him the truth of it all. Kain stood now as the last living vampire and, though he’d never suspected, the balance guardian. With mortanius’ death Kain would be the last of the corrupted circle, and so a decision had to be made.
Sacrifice himself, cleanse the circle, restore balance, save the pillars. Or Save himself, damn the pillars to shatter and fall, raise a vampire army to restore his adopted race.
Kain chose empire.
That’s just the first game, I strongly recommend you play or check out the rest of the series. It’s a BLAST!
Have a good day :D
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picturejasper20 · 14 days
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you dont have to answer this in case you dont want Discourse but “danny shouldnt give therapy hes a child let him kill instead” is SUCH a bizarre argument. like helping ghosts does not imply therapy firstly, see: cujo. secondly, how is KILLING AND CONSTANT VIOLENCE better for a child than. helping people. like hello
Because i would like to assume that people who say stuff like this weren't raised in an environment where you had some adults believing that jumping to violence first was always the answer and over time realizing "wait this is fucked up actually", or if they were raised like this, they probably haven't realized that yet. (Just in case, don't worry, i wasn't punched by anyone, i'm okay in that regard)
Or maybe because they don't know what is like to suddenly hear one day that in a part of your country lots of teenagers from two schools tried to beat the fuck up of each other up on the streets, with luck that no one died but it was bad enough that the local government had to apply more stricts policies to deal with this situation. (This is legit by the way, it happened in Argentina some days ago, it will show up if you look for it).
I also probably believe that is a lack of modern animation fans (not the Phandom since we are older) just not engaging with things intended for older audiences. I grew up playing games like Silent Hill, GOW and Legacy of Kain, etc and often watching historical movies. I have developed more or less enough the skills to understand animated series aimed at a general family audience or teens.
Like yeah, i do enjoy when stuff blows up like in Regular Show, but at some point you have to understand that it is important to develop your media literacy for plenty of reasons, one of them because it can be dangerous and you can be easily manipulated if you don't.
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nymfaia · 1 year
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👥 Estinien with either Alta or Kain 👀
muse hcs / accepting! / @dragonlancer
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i've made a few posts already about kain being a sulky little shitlord because he thinks the Azure Dragoon title was his birthright, and that the end of the war kind of took his entire life's purpose and a decade of training from him that he now thinks is useless (it isn't but he's 19 and depressed), so. i'm not going to reinvent the wheel there. akdngkngk
however, after the war and the real shift in Ishgard began, when Aymeric approached him with the truth of his family's legacy, Kain realizes he really can't just... detest the older dragoon any further.
One of them had real experience with befriending dragons, and it wasn't Kain. (Infuriatingly, the Warrior of Light seemed to have more experience than he did, not even being Ishgardian. But they already had too much on their plate, and scarcely knew of the soldier's existence. Estinien, he hoped, would at least remember the boy from how fervently he stood in his shadow as a young recruit.)
In the few - oh so few - visits back to Ishgard that Estinien allows himself, Kain is not far behind. After enlisting Aymeric's help, the man is able to meet with the dragoon just once, catching him before he flees the city-state once more.
If he wanted to know about raising and befriending dragons, the man said, he was better suited to asking them themselves.
During Stormblood and Shadowbringers, Kain does just that. And, when next Estinien next sees Kain, the dragoon has a dragonling on his pauldron... much like Orn Khai.
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Haurchefant had spun tales of the Warrior of Light to both of his best friends: their adventures, their strength, their tenacity. He had waxed poetic about their wiles and their wit until Aymeric was coughing back embarrassed laughter, almost certain that the knight had simply found another traveler to warm his bed.
He hadn't mentioned that the woman was half his size. He hadn't mentioned that she was primarily a healer - that had, somehow, managed to fell gods and primals regardless.
And he hadn't even hinted that she bore the likeness of dragons. While Estinien didn't speak much during the meetings in the Falling Snows, his silence was sharp and distrusting. Without having exchanged more than an introduction, the Warrior of Light and the Azure Dragoon were already off to a rocky start.
I imagine it took a long while for the two of them to even attempt to get along. Estinien is used to working on his own, and Alta is forever chased by the fear of not being able to heal or help those she needs to. I don't think he would be fond at all of her quiet stubbornness, or how unbothered she seems to be by his attitude. She doesn't even give him the pleasure of truly arguing the few times they do clash.
(And then the knight dies, and I think their similarities would come to the forefront. They are both trying to make up for what they couldn't change, crippled by the need to be better and finding out it truly doesn't matter anyway. She had cast spell after spell into his corpse, his hair fanning out on her thighs like a halo made of steel: he had picked through the rubble of a razed village, fingers bruised and blistered from the dragonfire heat, desperate for a chance that his brother would be there.
They were not so different.)
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kriskalutz · 2 years
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Kain: ...Did you plan this?
Nope! Although I'm not going to lie, I was hoping since the moment you were born that you'd earn this trait. But after all this time I just figured it wasn't in your cards, so to speak.
Kain: So this happened completely by random chance. No influence from you whatsoever?
Correct! And I must admit. If I knew you were getting this trait I wouldn't have even called Double Heirs. I would have named you Heir on the spot.
Kain: Feh. I suppose I was doomed from the beginning then, huh?
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Kain: Very well. Since there's no chance of me losing my Heirship, what are the rules regarding marriage and children?
You're not required to marry or even have a romantic partner. You are required to have a child in order to continue the legacy, but if you're iffy about the whole 'Woohoo' thing there's options to bypass that such as Surrogacy.
Kain: ...So the only thing that's important is raising a child.
Well... to put it more bluntly, the only thing that matters is that you have a child that makes it to Young Adulthood. As long as their basic needs are met by someone, you really don't even have to interact with it. Even their grades don't matter.
Kain: ...Interesting. I've got a lot to think on.
Let it be known that I don't support child abuse or neglect. You've got plenty of time to prepare for your heir's arrival. I'd consider any potential consequences of your actions.
Kain: I'll keep that in mind.
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xenosagaepisodeone · 2 years
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xenosaga what was your favorite videogame as a kid. were you a pokemon master. I could see you as a gym leader with a really high level psychic/dark/ghost/poison team
I think my favourite game as an elementary schooler besides xenosaga was dark cloud 2. I replayed it a number of years ago and it still holds up amazingly. for the settlement-building portion of the game, I really liked making up stories for my residents and would lay out houses next to one another based on how well I thought certain characters would get along as neighbours (and girlfriends). I really liked the Legacy of Kain games too, but I was a bit younger when I played them and they were my uncle's so I don't remember them as strongly. Ape Escape 2 and 3 are also eternally fun.
I liked pokemon a lot (and i'd probably be a ghost/psychic gym leader honestly hehe), but my teams were entirely built around what I thought was practical. I know "HM slave" is the pejorative for pokemon that hold all your flys/surfs/etc, but I had "TM slaves" for pokemon whose off-type attacks I could spam when I didn't feel like raising another pokemon whose type specialized to combat a particular niche.
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32bitpins · 2 years
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Bernie Sanders gave Washington whiplash this week — and it was all part of his plan. Barely 24 hours after the Vermont senator publicly rejected a $3.5 trillion spending deal following a Monday meeting with President Joe Biden, he turned around to tout it as the most transformational policy proposal in nearly 100 years.
The shift in tone was a tactic Sanders used to coax moderate Democrats into going far higher than they might have otherwise felt comfortable. After he had insisted on shooting for the moon with a $6 trillion budget proposal, $3.5 trillion suddenly looked pretty reasonable.
The episode revealed a conciliatory side to the liberal icon often depicted by the media and Republicans as wild-eyed and well to the left of his party. Sanders has opposed some of Biden and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s policies and nominees, but never in instances when his vote would prove decisive. He’s also softened his opposition to a bipartisan infrastructure deal, recognizing that he can't alienate his fellow Democrats if he wants to move his own agenda.
Still, the Independent from Vermont isn’t quite ready for the “P” label. “It’s not that I’m more pragmatic. It’s that there are 50 members of the Democratic Caucus. And unfortunately not all of them agree with me on everything,” Sanders said in an interview. “It was important to have a vision going forward of where we needed to go. And I think that was the right vision,” Sanders added. “Obviously, it was a vision that was a little bit more comprehensive than some of my colleagues.”
Even after two presidential runs garnered him national stardom and effective ownership of the American left, Sanders has toiled in the Senate minority with few levers to pull. This Congress, as the Senate Budget chair and a member of Schumer’s leadership team, the 79-year-old is one of the most powerful people in Democratic-controlled Washington. He also seems to be having a good time after decades of prowling the Capitol with gruff rebuttals for reporters delivered in his signature Brooklyn accent. After his interview with POLITICO, he was pressed by another reporter to take “one more question.”
“She makes me speculate,” he teased the second reporter, his voice rising in playful incredulousness. “One more question?!”
Jokes aside, moderates surmised it wasn’t easy for Sanders to shed his uncompromising stance on this year's massive spending blueprint, which is still perhaps months away from becoming law. Tester, who quickly endorsed Sanders’ budget blueprint, despite reservations, observed that Sanders likely “had hesitation” in coming down by $2.5 trillion.
“It may have been one of those deals where it was: ‘Look, Bernie, if we don’t get this, we can’t do anything.’ And he decided to move with it,” Tester said of the haggling. Yet senators on the Budget Committee viewed Sanders as taking an extreme position precisely so that it would yield a compromise all the more fruitful for liberal Democrats. If Sanders had started off endorsing Biden’s number of $4 trillion, it’s possible he and other progressives might have had to settle for a number lower than the $3.5 trillion they agreed upon. “Bernie Sanders is like a human embodiment of shifting the Overton Window,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who serves on the Budget Committee. “We wouldn’t be there without him putting out $6 trillion.”
With a ceiling of $3.5 trillion, Sanders says he can pursue all the changes that he’s prioritized, just not for not as long as he wants. That raises the possibility of future fights over the extension of programs like the expanded child tax credits championed by Democrats. Nonetheless, Sanders argues every chance he gets that he’s pushing “the most consequential piece of legislation passed since the 1930s for working people.” On the price tag alone, he’s right: If successful, the current social spending bill will be the biggest ever passed by Congress.
Those ambitious aspirations, and his influence on the Democrat Party’s agenda, make Sanders a handy villain for Republicans. The GOP tried to use his possible ascension in the majority as an attack line in the Georgia Senate races -- only to see Democrats win those contests, giving Sanders the budget gavel. Senate Republicans still try to tie vulnerable Democrats to Sanders, more so even than Biden or Schumer. “We applaud Bernie Sanders’ commitment to socialism and his influential leadership pushing 2022 Senate Democrat candidates to the far left,” said Katharine Cooksey, a spokeswoman for the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee.
In addition to his central role in the Democratic caucus, Sanders also has the ear of former presidential rival Biden. Since winning the nomination and throughout the first six months of his presidency, the president has kept Sanders close. White House chief of staff Ron Klain essentially had an open-door policy with Sanders as he pushed for a $15 minimum wage earlier this year. That hike was ultimately crushed by moderates and the Senate parliamentarian, an early blow for Sanders.
But Sanders returned quickly to press Biden to embrace an expansion of Medicare coverage for dental, hearing aids and vision. During a private Oval Office meeting ahead of the budget announcement, Sanders “made that case passionately” again and Biden “gave his full backing,” said a senior White House aide. Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said Biden “deeply respects Senator Sanders’ unflinching commitment to fighting for working people."
Medicare expansion is included in Senate Democrats’ budget proposal, though it’s unclear whether Sanders will be able to lower the Medicare eligibility age as he set out to do months ago. Nonetheless, Sanders seems close to cinching a major change to an entitlement program that's helped define the party's legacy for generations.
For many years, Sanders played “a kind of gadfly role,” said David Axelrod, who served as an adviser to former President Barack Obama, who Sanders briefly entertained primarying during the 2012 presidential campaign. But now, he added, Sanders “has comfortably shifted into the role of deal-maker."
“You're seeing a very pragmatic Bernie Sanders, but he's pragmatic in a principled way,” Axelrod said, observing that Biden and Sanders, “who really were from different places in the party, have come together in the sunset of their careers to do something potentially historic.”
Asked if Sanders is a pragmatist, Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) offered a clipped “yes” for an answer: “I don’t want to get him in trouble.”
This isn’t the first deal Sanders has cut, and it probably won’t be the last. In 2014 he memorably teamed with the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on a landmark agreement to reform the scandal-plagued Veterans Affairs Department. As part of that agreement, Sanders signed off on expanding private care access for veterans, a concession directly at odds with his long-standing commitment to single-payer health care. Sanders also struck an alliance last year with Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) in pushing for new pandemic stimulus checks.
“He’s obviously a passionate advocate. But he also understands this is a moment that we can’t let go by,” said Michigan Sen. Debbie Stabenow, a member of the Budget Committee and Democratic leadership. “He was able to read the room.”
Sanders is already digging in for the next round of fights. He may have centrist Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) and the rest of the Budget Committee on board with his budget plan, but he still needs to win over more conservative Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona. Manchin said he hasn’t yet talked to Sanders about the proposal.
Once again, Sanders is drawing a line in the sand, saying he’s not coming down any more from $3.5 trillion. Time will tell whether this one is real or tactical. “No. Quite the contrary,” he said, hinting that progressive allies across the Capitol might drive the price back up. “We’ll see what happens in the House.”
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derekscorner · 2 years
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Lets Talk Time Travel
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I’ve been watching a lot of videos on the Legacy of Kain series lately. It has a lot of standout writing and forethought put into it given how heavily it uses time travel, Novikov principles, and the paradoxes born of it.
I really need to find a way to play them one day but that’s aside the point for now. The point of my post today is the sheer level of competency that series has with self consistency time travel and how it made me think about other series that use the concept.
Granted, even Legacy of Kain isn’t without some holes in it’s execution but it is far more air tight than other stories and I think some part of that is due to the “time break” exception.
Despite how solid time keeps itself within that series there is an exception to the rule as with any rule, a break in time caused by two versions of the same sword (known as the Soul Reaver) meeting.
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At first I compared it to time travel in Legend of Zelda however that doesn’t quite fit. LoZ displays examples of most known time travel logic depending on title because the way time is traversed (or branched in some cases) varies.
The Hero of Time (ocarina of time & majoras mask) alone breaks his series timeline into three branches yet prior to OoT’s finale every change he makes in the past affects the future.
This is because the “break” in time is Zelda sending Link back to his childhood. We also know that the Zelda series is very likely full of ‘what if’ unseen histories as well since at least one timeline was born from the Hero of Time dying.
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That’s when I compared it to time travel in Kingdom Hearts and saw two sides of a coin. KH tries to apply the same principles as Legacy of Kain since both use the core ideal of self-consistent time but one is far more competent at it than the other.
I would normally argue that this is because KH is bad for making new rules when the old rules are in the way of writing but that’d be misleading since KH broke it’s own time traveling rules from their introduction.
It’s such an odd methodology because there is rules characters follow to travel time yet somehow the rules do not seem to be all that important.
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If you’re not clear on the given rules KH uses it is as follows:
You can only travel to an era a version of you exists in. Aka, within your own lifetime.
You have to discard your body to perform this as the body chains you to the material flow of events.
A vessel of some kind must be at your destination for this to work.
Your memory of the trip will be lost when you return to your origin point.
For the most part, Xehanort does abide by these rules yet the cracks also form immediately.
For one, Xehanort’s Heartless (Ansem) has no true body yet he’s the one that initiated the time travel. I will grant any fan that’s read this far, Ansem is a very unique case when it comes to his physical presence. I only add it because it is Xehanort himself who travels time the most and it’s very clear that Ansem’s ghostly form can physically interact with the world around him.
The bigger issue Ansem presents is transference of time travel. He gave his younger self the power which allowed the teen to hop around with his body which raises a myriad of questions.
It obvious that the body rule has loopholes. Young Nort in DDD is breaking that rule but this also implies that anyone could just travel to their past self as a ghostly entity or (the more likely) possess the body of their younger self and be on their merry way.
Logically, you’d think that’s what most would do since it seems that’s why Riku & Sora did in DDD which makes Ansem’s plan....weird. He sent his young self on a journey when he could’ve just possessed his younger self and performed the task with more efficiency.
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You could then argue that Ansem did this because it has to be young Xehanort to travel time as the events will ensure that the teen grows into the man all Xehanort’s spawn from but this then breaks the final core rule;
“time is immovable”
A rule that is BS from its introduction, literally the first scene rules are mentioned. Xehanort states that his trip is forgotten but “etched” into his heart but that just means he’s subconsciously guided through life.
In other words, time is fully movable because Xehanort has crafted a time loop that turns him into the man he would become. Sure, Xehanort is right when he states that he can’t alter destiny or key events but that is only because he crafted them.
He fully buys into destiny and his self made future thus he can’t alter it but that doesn’t make time itself immovable. It just means that Xehanort fully knows his own actions set his life in stone and thus can’t change them because he doesn’t desire to change them.
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All that said, comparing once again to the better execution of Legacy of Kain, you could argue time (so far) has maintained a vague self consistent stance but not in the way DDD tries to frame it.
Such as Timeless River, a paradox began to form but the issue was temporary at best due to Sora stopping Pete in the past. Hell, the topic of that door to Timeless River brings up the alternatives of altering/traversing time in of itself.
We know every rule set usually has an exception and given the remarks dark Riku made in KH3 we can assume Merlin is this exception.
But aside from Merlin there’s several time altering things happening at once that makes you question the plot direction or even point of DDD setting rules in place.
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In the series right now, not counting our exception to the rules (Merlin), or what Xehanort is doing in DDD/KH3 you have;
The lost masters, their Master of Masters, creating a paradox by placing his eye into a keyblade. With this he’s not only wrote the future down in a book but also acknowledged it was possible to create a paradox despite him setting history in stone.
He specifically doesn’t give Luxu a book or future knowledge so to avoid paradoxes, he even tells him this in Back Cover.
You have some from that era who have set out to alter the future of said book with the pay off a mystery for now. This means they’ll either add to the self-consistency logic or be the keys to altering it later.
You have Yen Sid who was able to -somehow- send Sora & Riku to the past in a method similar to Xehanort yet by his own power.
And then you have “worldlines” which are the KH equivalent to timelines. The very fact a “worldline” can exist means time isn’t as set in stone as DDD tried to make it.
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Admittedly, it’s said you can’t easily jump from one line of history to another but given how KH flows or is written I wouldn’t hold that too close to chest.
Especially when Sora proved in KH3 that time can literally be broken. Not just once either, he did it twice.
You could argue what Sora did is the same as the Soul Reaver time break but I’m not so sure that’s a good 1:1 since KH is oddly loose with rules already. It would be fascinating if KH was as ironclad with this as an exception.
Something as drastic as altering time in a series that gives said concept such a resilience to change should have consequences equal to your meddling. Sora being forced out of reality would be a good counterbalance in such ‘what if’ KH3.
But I digress.
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What was the point?
A fair question to which I have no answer. Time travel has simply been on my mind lately due to Soul Reaver lore and I guess the comparison became stuck in my thoughts.
KH goes for self consistency but is far too inconsistent for them to have bothered but a series like ‘Legacy of Kain’ makes me wonder some what ifs. I love that time is so immovable in that series yet even it has an exception as every rule set should.
It would’ve worked really well if handled better in KH but at the same time KH didn’t need time travel at all. If anything, it was the poorest option to use of the available revival methods.
I’m also not demanding one series have the quality or characteristics of another. Following rules you set in a narrative boils down to the skill of the writer after all. This was mostly just a random ramble about a concept I spend way too much time pondering.
Oh well, bye~
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Alright, so this probably isn't gonna happen in the actual comics, but I want to ask how you'd want Mayday to be introduced into 616. I know it's implied that Norman had her killed when she was born, but come on, this is Norman. He's an asshole. Do you really think he'd waste the chance to torture Peter by raising and brainwashing his daughter?
Yes my thoughts my exactly.
I’m choosing to interpret mc2’s Peter’s “final” Showdown with Norman as ASM #800 (they had him get his leg fucked, even! It’s perfect!) which went down differently because he had multiple people helping out instead of going at it on his own. This is our point of divergence because fuck the Kindred arc
We KNOW that OMD only changed the Parker’s marital status and not the actual events in their lives for the most part, but seems to have soft retconned May’s existence so I’m interpreting that as PeterMJ (and family i suppose) not remembering the baby the way that people couldn’t figure out Peter’s ID back before spider island. (Can’t figure out or remember unless told directly)
So when Norman tries to get under Peter’s skin one more time before getting his ass handed to him he says something along the lines of “you’re only hurting the ones you love, you don’t even know where the little one is” something something, some talk about his legacy and maybe linking it up with the little one comment or maybe outright saying something like “you made my child weak so I made sure you wouldn’t make the same mistake with yours” because Norman is creepy like that
And it CLICKS (and also Kaine is there because FUCK YOU he was super involved in the mc2) so Peter is like WHAT. DID. YOU. DO.
He beats Norm to near death as per canon but now after this comes the frantic search for answers and the questions of why they didn’t remember.
Peter gets the heroes he trusts the most to help him out busting as many of Osborn’s hideouts (underground labs, safe houses and what not) while MJ, who is OBVIOUSLY as involved in the story and as invested, is much more aprehensive about it because Norman is a crazy bastard who toys with peoples emotions for fun so YEAH he may be trying to get the last laugh!
It’s not that she doesn’t want to believe but that she can’t deal with hoping and being crushed again if it turns out it WAS a ruse
(mirroring the original time that this literally happened back when aunt May got brought back from comic book death for the first time)
Eventually the search slows down and it becomes increasingly clear that there’s nothing to find UNTIL.. Kaine shows up with a lead: Alison Mongrain, the only nurse involved with Mary Jane’s delivery.
They manage to track down her last known address before she died to some obscure villa in some european town (because that’s where continuity goes to die in spidey comics) and there she was. A little brunette girl (idk about 4-ish years old? 5?) minding her business, waiting for her “grandpa” to come visit
As Pete and Kaine get closer the girl notices them way before she should’ve been able to hear them and it becomes increasingly clear that Norman had made it so spidey had been a bogey man figure in the kid’s life because she is TERRIFIED of both of them and even more so when the masks come off. If Spidey was untrustworthy, she was told Peter Parker was worse.
Cue a flurry of storylines stemming from this
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Do you consider vampires to be a form of zombie/undead creature, or should they be in a separate category? Inversely, can any conceivably undead monster be defined as a zombie, or should zombies be the ones considered separate? How strictly do you see that venn diagram, if at all?
--- There is such a wide variety of vampires in fiction that you really gotta define which universe you’re talking about. Like the vampires in Twilight can have sex and make babies with humans and are themselves essentially human except for a few metaphysical traits and certain dietary requirements.
Legacy of Kain vampires are inhuman monsters with no memory of their mortal lives who hunt all humans down like cattle.
Vampire Chronicles and Buffyverse vampires are somewhere in the middle, but still mostly human.
Certain historical vampires just spend all day sleeping in their tomb and crawl out at night to chew on people for no particularly profound reasons.
The latter there are pretty indistinguishable from zombies, and are raised from corpses. They spend their off-hours in their graves. They’re undead, yes, but since they drink blood and only come out at night, it’s more useful to call them vampires.
I think the other difference though is that zombies generally have no will of their own. Whether they’ve been summoned by a necromancer or they’re shuffling around a mall in a movie, they’re mindless. Even the lowliest Eastern European vampire is considered to have a will of its own. To me, this difference is the nail in the coffin of the vampire versus zombie argument.
It also muddies the water with Duane. Duane during the day is not a zombie. But Duane at night definitely is.
Anyway, my thought on monster taxonomy is that “Undead” should be the broad group of monsters, and “Zombie” should be a specific kind of undead. Only vampires of a specific kind should be allowed into that group because many of them are not meaningfully dead enough. I’m sorry, horny sirs and madams, but if your vampire can get it up, he’s not undead. And if he or she can make a baby, they are definitely not undead.
don’t @ me
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What The Hexx?? P1: Raziel
•Series TItle: What The Hexx??
•Prompt: “Bathroom door is accidentally locked from the inside. How would everyone react desperately trying to get it open?” 
•Fandom: Legacy of Kain
•Rating: G- General; No real warnings here. It’s a calm and humorous prompt that I wanted to keep pretty chill and wholesome. 
•Small Author’s Note[s]: I was determined to fit them all on here, in order of raise [1-6], accordingly, but I’ll have to post them on different parts with different posts to a series. These are too long for one post. Ehehehhh. I only see it fit that they all have a fair go at this random and oddly annoying hindrance. [No Vampires were harmed in the making of this little skit, I assure y’all!]. Plus a lil’ bonus for a few other beloved vampires!~
 •Premise: -It wasn’t something that happened all too often, so when some foul, scorned individual comes around to hex the door to the bathroom, it’s gonna be a hectic and unfortunate day-unless there are those who know their way around a lock-spell. Footsteps were a lucky and rather insightful rekindling of previously waning hope. You called to whomever was passing by the hindrance of a door. Your chords were aching after a stressful moment of back-to-back pleas. After a deep and annoyed sigh, you took your irritable frustration and rammed headlong into the door with your shoulder taking the brunt of the force. Feeling even more disgruntled and twice sore, you heard a cordial clearing of a familiar, muffled voice.
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 •[Lieutenant] Raziel: -As a casual, adventuristic and roving type, Raziel was always amused by some means of crazy that seemingly occurred with such spontaneity surrounding your presence. He stopped with abrupt surprise, a gentle and mischievous smirk formed upon his blackened lips. The tips of his fangs exposed themselves when his antics were soon to follow, “It seems you are in need of assistance, Y/N? Lucky you that I am present and willing to assist you in this befuddling predicament,” Raziel examined the locked door, tracing a talon around the keyhole and doorknob, as if he were having a deeply invested conversation with it. He raised a curious, furrowed brow before standing upright again; his eyes narrowed in subtle confused frustration, “I haven’t a clue why it won’t budge. Operator error, maybe?” He crossed his arms and pressed against the wall, resting his shoulder and lending an ear for an expected, flustered remark from you, which he received with an amused and gratified smirk.
 “Typical of you, Raziel. Find someone who does know what could be wrong with it, then!” You shrugged, gestured outward with your arms, and then crossed them with immediate fluster. He wanted this reaction, and it was well received, as Raziel chuckled with humble amusement in response. 
“I’ll see to it that someone else comes to assist. I won’t let you be trapped, rest assured, dear Y/N. Have I ever left you wanting?” With that, his footsteps seemingly muffled, continued to lessen in volume as he scuffled onto his merry way.
[P2, Turel; coming soon]
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With Into the Spider-Verse discussions over the role and relevancy of Peter Parker to Spider-Man have been inevitably raised. He idea being that Spider-Man is now and icon, a mantle, a symbol and an ideal applicable to anyone rather than a particular person.
I felt I should throw my two cents in on this.
Basically...yes and no.
Spider-Man is iconic, but he’s iconic because of certain specifics pertaining to Peter Parker.
In essence there isn’t so much a question of if Spider-Man is a person or a mantle now. Spider-Man is both things.
Mayday, Miles, Gwen, Ben Reilly, Kaine, Miguel, etc, all those characters are worthy characters and heroes in their own right who live up to the example and values set by Peter.
But Peter is not an interchangeable part of the mythos.
I think with the advent of characters like Miles people very much felt he was, as though he was akin to Wally West, Barry Allan, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner. In that you can if not mix and match elements from him, Miles and whoever else you want then you can swap them in and out of the role of Spider-Man.
Except that’s just not true.
Spider-Man didn’t become popular off the back of a costume and powerset and it wasn’t even just the idea of someone with relatively down to Earth problems. After all Spider-Man himself has remained perennially popular and relevant with mostly just tweaks to update him across 55 years in a sea of characters who also were fantasy protagonists with relatable problems.
So evidently there is something specific to Peter which renders him unique beyond a broad concept, the nuances of his character and story speak to people on a deeper level than just the broad idea.
This makes sense because almost all the silver age Marvel characters were designed from the inside out pretty much, the emphasis upon their personalities and personal lives first and their powers second.
In fact all the Spider-Heroes actively prove my point because it isn’t just that they exist because they are Spider-Themed in their powers or their costumes resemble Spider-Man’s or they look at being relatable people from a different angle.
Almost all of them actively presuppose the audience know about the Peter Parker Spider-Man and to some extent his mythology. As in they are in the text, subtext or in the meta text defined through a comparison and contrast to Peter.
Let’s go down the list.
Spider-Ham: Spider-Man but as a cartoon pig played for Looney Tunes style humour.
The Venom symbiote: Peter’s evil black costume that has better versions of his powers and hates him for rejecting it.
Brock Venom: A villain/anti-hero who’s origin is all about blaming Peter for ruining his career by catching a criminal
Flash Venom: Peter’s scool rival turned friend and Spider-Man’s biggest fan, looking to him as inspiration
Spidey 2099: His origin is all about trying to recreate Peter’s powers because Peter as Spidey was a legendary hero. He is also a scientist like Peter with his family life and personality placed in deliberate subversion of Peter’s. Later he takes greater inspiration from Peter’s legend and one of his biggest foes was literally a villain who looked MORE like classic Spider-Man and another one was literally Spider-Man’s evil costume
Ben Reilly: Literally a clone of Peter Parker, his whole deal is defining himself as an individual against his memories of being Peter
Kaine: Also literally a clone of Peter, his whole deal is being at first what Peter might’ve been if he suffered to the nth degree and later trying to live up to Peter and Peter’s clone’s heroic example, whilst also being a subversion of what you’d expect out of Spider-Man. the tagline for his solo seires was literally a subversion of Spider-Man’s famous motto.
Spider-Girl/Mayday: Her entire character revolves around being the daughter of Peter Parker. And her costume is the one worn by Peter Parker’s clone!
Spider Woman/Mattie Franklin: A Spider-Man fangirl who got powers through an encounter with Spider-Man’s most infamous villain and who began her hero career impersonating Spider-Man before adopting a costume clearly modelled after his. Need I say more?
Spider-Man Noir: Peter Parker if he lived in the 1930s
Miles Morales: Not only is comic book Miles himself quite derivative of Peter anyway, really his concept revolves around being the inheritor of a dead Peter Parker’s legacy and could arguably be described as ‘Spider-Man but if he was a teenage poc in the modern day and also he had 2 living parents’
Silk: A woman who has almost identical powers to Peter Parker because she was bitten by the same spider he was seconds after him, was taken in by one of his old mentors/enemies and debuted as part of a subplot revolving around her inherent magical connection to him.
Spider-Gwen: Whether you go by her comic book self, her TV self or her movie self, her character is again innately linked in with Peter’s. She’s either Peter’s school peer and teammate, his best friend inspired to heroism by his death, or both. And all of those come with some level of expectation that you know Gwen Stacy was Spider-Man’s dead girlfriend. Her origin story and debut in fact hinges upon that role reversal and the presumption the audience are aware of that reversal.
Peni Parker: Peter Parker if he was a teenage girl protagonist of a mech anime story.
 See what I mean, Peter Parker and his status as Spider-Man, and your knowledge of him being Spider-Man, is inherent to every single one of those characters.
 The only characters for whom that isn’t the case are Jessica Drew, Julia Carpenter and Anya Corazon. MAYBE if you tweaked Mattie’s backstory you could remove Peter’s presence from it but even if you did that’s still just 4 characters who don’t have a built in storytelling reliance upon Peter Parker as a major element to their backstories and/or reliance upon audience familiarity with the Peter Parker Spider-Man.
 And noticeably...they were less successful than most of the above mentioned characters. Further proving my point that is is very specifically Peter Parker and his story that defines who and what Spider-Man is.
 So...no Peter isn’t interchangeable, or one of many.
 Peter IS Spider-Man.
 Peter is THE Spider-Man in the grander scheme of things.
 But just because Miles, or Mayday, or Gwen or Ben or Miguel or whoever aren’t that, doesn’t make them bad characters, unworthy characters or characters who deserve to stick around and have stories told of them.
 They’re still worthy of the mantle of Spider-Man in-universe and worthy of being inspiring to readers unto themselves.
 It’s just that their existence doesn’t evolve being Spider-Man into just this broad concept wherein Peter is merely one of many.
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Here’s some exposition on Prala, the tiny hylden, for those interested. That’s her mama Fol’Oran. Writing as a brief aside in my internet chat mode as opposed to putting it in the fic b/c I’m not sure how much of my OC’s personal lives I can reasonably involve the Main Characters™ in.
So for anyone that doesn’t know I’ve been writing this Legacy of Kain fanfiction (tagged under rhetoricfic) which has introduced a faction of rebels and refugees in the Blood Omen 2 era called the Coven. The Coven is led by the Seer, the only canon character in it, Zekiel ( @lynnora-v bby Ancient Vampire OC), as well as an old as fuck hylden & his apprentice. When met in the fic the Coven had been around over a hundred years & they are not fans of the Neo-Sarafan regime. They spent much of that time being humanitarian badasses, rescuing & harboring anyone in southern Nosgoth that they reasonably could.
A handful of engineers that had escaped their work on the Device were relatively new & included Alj’Pak. Also among them was a human maintenance slave named Thomas Doherty. Because Thomas was expendable, fit in ventilation & was often stationed near Glyph Wright barracks he knew there were a group of consorts the high ranking Wrights coveted that were keen on any kind of freedom. The Coven began planning an operation to covertly recover them.
Most of the consorts were hylden brought through the portal for the comfort of the Glyph Wrights once they established themselves as law in the Sarafan Keep of Meridian. One particularly high ranking Wright, General Rig’Dom, lorded his favorite over even the few unfortunate enslaved vampires & was seen as even more culturally risqué. His escort was Fol’Oran. Although the hylden consorts were sold on the idea as an honor to the army members of her specific clan, diluted as they may be, were traditionally not consorts. Descendants of Gatakfĭr, Life Givers, as implied were much more fertile & therefore not favorable for concubines. 
The probability of a hylden conceiving in a dimension they weren’t themselves born in & so far from traditional social brooding behaviors was astronomical. Rig’Dom thought he was statistically safe being an edgy douchebag. Forcing someone to rear young by themselves was seen as heinous in hylden culture. That was one taboo step too far for Gen. Rig’Dom. When Fol’Oran turned out to be gravid he figured it’d be easier to kill her & send for a new one. When he lost his temper there was no going back once he had cracked her across the face & fractured her cheekbone. He hurled her over the edge of a parapet.
Luckily at that moment the alarm was raised for a breach in the Keep & Rig’Dom opted to protect the Neo-Sarafan’s assets rather than walk his dumb ass down three stories to make sure Fol’Oran was dead. The alarm was a distraction triggered at the opposite end of the Keep. This allowed the Coven to smuggle out the consorts that dared to flee. The Seer was not initially going to get involved. Glyph Wrights could see through any illusion she may cast. However, a sudden sense of urgency seized her along with a strange new feeling. The feeling was literally a new feeling, something about it screamed “A new thing is happening!”
The Seer was able to teleport into the keep & whisk poor Fol’Oran off the ground & back to safety. Thomas & another deserter Hylden had been the very last to ensure everyone escaped safely. The two did not escape themselves but gave up no information as they were dragged from the vents & promptly murdered. The Coven’s perimeter was thoroughly checked in a hurried somber silence.
Shortly thereafter Fol’Oran had an egg, green of course & glowing very slightly. It had a misshapen dent in one side that Fol’Oran always had her fingers on but otherwise seemed healthy. All of the hylden in the Coven had a very infectious excitable energy that spread to the whole temple. By the time a tiny, miniature hylden hatched from it several of the humans had already donated blankets. Another new mother, a Meridian woman named Elise, shared her daughter’s toys.
The Seer was phenomenally excited. She had never felt many of the energies she was feeling surrounding a brand new hylden coming into existence. Spoiler alert: The Seer is half hylden. The other hylden filled her in on how these energies worked in their society. Sanctioned farseers & sorcerers were able to get an impression of the child as a person & give them a name accordingly. The Seer named the new hylden girl Zik’Pra & she’s being raised in the Coven’s hidden temple.
Zik’Pra means Sword Tongue which was affirmed as soon as she started learning to talk. Despite the central fluke of her head crest being somewhat disfigured she was strong, confident, & very vocal. Seeing all the refugees taking care of one another, she started helping as first nature. She gathered information through the temple with the eyes of the other children & her second-in-command Anna. If she thinks you’re out of line you will be challenged to a duel which means she will hit you with her stick, Rock Cleaver, until you comply.
She asked to be called Prala so she had pretty name like other girls. Besides that she barely recognizes she is different & doesn’t let that, or anything, stop her. Fol’Oran has found Prala to be growing much more rapidly than children did in the Demon Realm. She has no idea why. Zekiel reports to Prala from time to time as if she were in command to amuse her. Zekiel was on one level scared but mostly excited that a hylden was born in Nosgoth for the first time in millennia. No one has any idea what exactly that may mean, if anything.
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