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mittensmorgul · 6 months

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in-universe, chuck was trying to write rpf fanfic. he was trying to make the world act out his rpf fanfic

the only episode of the show where they complied and gave him the story he wanted was 15.20, because he tricked them into surrendering their free will by convincing them he was defeated and they didn't have to fight it anymore

this isn't a new revelation, i'm just pissed off every time it hits me again

#spn 15.20 #chuck won #i'm just annoyed about it again... i mean i'm always lowkey annoyed about it but three years on and here we still are...

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ldrmas · 6 months

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hey spn fandom can you help me out ?

especially @mittensmorgul and @castiel-left-his-mark-on-me cause i know they have it i just can't find it

can you all find me the post where andrew dabb/writers said Castiel would be in the series finale! or the whole post that teased he was coming back. please and thank you.

#spn #spn fandom #castiel #spn series finale #screw you andrew dabb #spn 15.20 #spn 15x20 #misha collins #misha deserved better

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teamfreewill2pointo · 9 months

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I don't understand what the confession had to do with Dean's self actualization. There was nothing in Cas's speech that Sam hadn't told Dean throughout the series. Sam told Dean he was smart, that he looked up to Dean all his life, and that he was good person at various points over 15 seasons. I think the scene was more about Cas's self actualization?

Look, I will never defend season 15 as well written, and I feel like the confession scene would have worked a hell of a lot better had they seeded it earlier in the season instead of throwing it all out in 15.18, but Castiel's self actualization speech was helping Dean and guiding Dean where he needed to be at the end of the series.

Yes, it was a big moment for Castiel, but the focus of his speech was on Dean, which put Dean where he needed to be in order to to defeat Chuck. Remember, in 15.17, Dean was off the rails and even pointing a gun at Sam. He was driven by his anger. In season 13, Dean was basically turning into John. He was becoming an angry man obsessed with revenge, at the cost of his family and loved ones.

That bleed over into season 14, where when Mary died, Dean basically became John again, and was vicious towards Castiel.

A huge theme of Dean's journey throughout the series is Dean becoming angry, getting obsessed with revenge, and doing harmful things during his quest for revenge that he needs to make amends for later on.

In 15.18, Dean is so focused on revenge, he puts himself and Castiel in danger.

DEAN: I just led us into another trap, all because I couldn't hurt Chuck. Because I was angry and because I just needed something to kill, and because that's all I know how to do.

Here, Dean thinks poorly of himself. He thinks he's driven by anger and the need for a revenge. He thinks that he is just a soldier, a weapon, which is why Castiel says,

I know how you see yourself, Dean. You see yourself the same way our enemies see you. You're destructive, and you're angry, and you're broken. You're "daddy's blunt instrument." And you think that hate and anger, that's... That's what drives you, that's who you

Yes, Sam praises Dean and loves Dean and tells him how much he is loved, but he's Dean's little brother, and Dean feels Sam loves him more than he deserves to be loved. Yes, he has heard this from Sam and he knows that Sam loves him. He knows that Sam has a huge heart and that Sam will forgive almost anything. He knows he has Sam's forgiveness and love, but he can't forgive and love himself.

Castiel's speech allowed Dean to see himself as someone driven by love rather than revenge. When Chuck tries to get Dean to kill him, Dean is able to resist due to his better view of himself.

Chuck: I mean, I could never think of an ending where I lose. But this, after everything that I've done to you... to die at the hands of Sam Winchester... Of Dean Winchester, the ultimate killer... It's kind of glorious.

Dean: Sorry, Chuck.

Chuck: What? What?

Dean: See, that's not who I am. That's not who we are.

In each of the death scenes in 15.18 and 15.20, the focus is not on the person dying, but on the knowledge and self actualization they are imparting to the one who remains behind.

Castiel gives Dean what he needs to defeat Chuck. Dean gives Sam what he needs to carry on.

#supernatural #spnfamily #spn #spn family #sam winchester #dean winchester #castiel #spn s15 #spn 15.18 #spn 15.20 #carry on #despair

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kvitka97 · 10 months

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It was a surprise alright lol. Always love a barn scene op 💕

#sam and dean winchester #spn 15.20

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lolaused2run · 1 year

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Hey remember when Jensen was so upset about the series finale he went to talk to the writers & they told him to "take it or leave it" & then had to be convinced to "take it" & then actively changed the barn scene so at least Dean was able to stay on his feet the whole time?

And then he created a whole prequel just to show his character actually wasn't just aimlessly waiting around for his brother to show up, & started talking about rebooting the series as soon as it ended, as if he was thoroughly dissatisfied with the ending? Yeah, me too

#i'm sorry i just cant ignore this #dean winchester #spn #anti finale #jensen #spn finale #spn 15.20 #spn 15x20 #jensen ackles

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t00muchheart · 4 months

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So after Cas died, Dean Winchester lost faith in everything, willingly died for a case in a move that Sam, at least, thought was rash, and then didn’t try to fight back and said maybe he should just die and is only resurrected because of external forces, and that urge to give up is connected in the episode to the list faith and hope. And I’m not supposed to read into Dean’s death in the finale?

Like, that is not him “going down fighting” or something, it is him following the established pattern of what happens when he loses Cas in a way that Cas shouldn’t be able to come back from, only this time there’s no miracle. There’s no win that gives Dean hope and allows him to be happy. This time, he finds himself impaled on a rebar and refuses to let Sam help him.

#spn #supernatural #dean winchester #spn meta #castiel #deancas #cas #casdean #destiel meta #destiel #15.20 #carry on

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mittensmorgul · 1 year

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Okay, I have a lot of thoughts i’ve been rotating for a while now, and even if I don’t have a coherent overarching meta composed in my head yet, I feel I need to at least record some of these thoughts for future reference. Buckle up. It’s a lot.

I’ll start with a few overarching themes and points that cover the entire series, and then move into the specifics of the most recent episode, the PENULTIMATE episode lol, 1.12. gonna just bullet point these for ease of reference purposes:

-a ridiculous percentage of the series has dealt with monsters/entities with their own little pocket dimensions. yes, this was a thing the original series touched on occasionally-- djinn dream universes created entirely inside someone’s mind, gabriel’s eternal tuesday time loop, gabriel’s weirdo tv land, the soul eater nest in 11.16, and even chuck’s bar at the end of the universe from 11.20. Or like... the entire concept of alternate universes introduced in 6.15 The French Mistake that may or may not have been a construct by Balthazar... up to interpretation... and the final seasons wrangling of several specific alternate universes

so far in The Winchesters we have, by episode:

(under a cut because this got long lol)

*eta: since it’s been pointed out to me that not everyone’s managed to memorize all the spn prime episodes by number, here’s the Mittens Decoder Page on the superwiki by episode number: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/Category:Episodes

1.01 the Loup Garou and the Monster Trap Box (which can only be recharged by things that are “not of this earth”, specifically they will learn it’s a transporter device that sends creatures trapped by it back to whatever world’s item has “charged” the box) they were searching for, hidden in a secret chamber for years.

1.02 La Tunda, who lures victims into her little pocket dimension trap via roots pulling them underground. she can only be killed by being stabbed with a piece of her own wood/body

1.03 the Bori Baba who lures victims into a pocket dimension trap via a burlap sack. he can only be destroyed (and his captives freed) by them willingly relinquishing/destroying the beloved thing he lured them with.

1.04 Mars Neto who lures victims into a pocket dimension trap and makes them relive trauma and fight him. Could only be defeated/rendered mortal when the amphora containing his power was shattered.

1.05 djinn... but these are slightly different than any of the djinn we know from original canon. they can form a link directly into someone else’s mind and control them out in the real world, not just in a pocket universe trap... it turns victims’ own minds into the trap

1.06 a vengeful spirit of a POSSESSED VAMPIRE of an entirely new variety, who broke free of a trap where he’d been locked for decades, because his friends felt helpless against his growing darkness/involvement with dark magic that was twisting who he was. Lata had to force him to confront that and confess, and the possessing spirit chooses to leave John in an act of doing the right thing.

1.07 straight-up Akrida-- the monsters apparently from an alternate universe trying to invade our world to devour it all (reminiscent of the tentacle monsters Sam and Dean found trapped in a different MoL capitulum clubhouse and accidentally released in 12.17, but bugs instead of tentacles...). They are our overarching Big Bad, who bridge the gap between pocket dimension and possession/mind control that surrounds so many of the themes of the series. but this episode explores them in more depth (right down to the underground lair where the queen was trapped). I feel the need to mention it somewhere, but the akrida used radio waves as a lure for all the bizarre monsters our core four have been dealing with all season, connecting the akrida directly to every other specific monster we’ve seen them confront. Episode literally called “Reflections” which leads me into:

1.08 Loki/Gabriel? Who I already mentioned above as a creator of pocket dimensions and messing with minds in original canon. And for some reason at the end of the episode, he’s trapped inside a mirror, a bit of lore we’ve never seen connected to Loki or Gabriel leaving me to wonder how trapped he actually is... A reflection, as it were.

1.09 vampires... but more the sort we already know from spn prime canon. except the whole mission around them involves a PROPHECY unwittingly stamped onto John’s hand. We’re reminded that prophecy can’t be avoided, BUT you can control some of the circumstances AROUND the prophecy. Context matters, and tiny glimpses of things aren’t representative of the whole truth. (4.18 anyone...)

1.10 A very Magnus-coded (who if you remember created his own little pocket universe to live in with his monster zoo and collection of supernatural relics) disgraced MoL who lies about his identity, his past, and his motives for returning to the clubhouse now. Literally wants to transfer his and his wife’s consciousnesses into John and Mary’s bodies to get back the life the Akrida had stolen from them and he felt they were owed... with no self-awareness that this actually made HIM the monster in this case.

1.11 the Shadow Spirits generated by Maggie’s magical bracelet that both showed the wearer the truth about hidden motivations AND could also become a trap. Carlos and Lata are pulled into a shadowy trap (not just in their minds! they are no longer physically in the house! they were pulled bodily into some sort of pocket universe BY A SHADOW (you know, the proper term for the Empty Entity in spn prime canon?). Where their only hope for escape was Lata confessing her deep, dark hidden secret to Carlos. She was terrified that he would reject her if he knew the truth about her, that Carlos would be ashamed of her, but he reconfirmed that he loves her unconditionally, and nothing will ever change that.

She’d felt guilt and responsibility for the actions of others for so long, but Carlos helped her see the whole picture again, that it was not her fault, that she’d been helpless to circumstance and wasn’t at fault for her father’s bad actions-- even to the point where they led to the death of an innocent woman.

But the other function of this bracelet, used on Betty to show her the TRUTH of the akrida-possessed people finally gave US a look at how akrida possession works. It’s not just the little spikes in the neck doing the controlling through chemicals or whatever, they seem to function like some sort of weird antenna that connects them via mysterious green tentacles of light up into the sky. Where do they go? I thought the akrida queen was buried underground, not in the sky? Who or what is pulling those poisonous green strings?

aside to mention lata found the bracelet hidden in A CAN OF RAT POISON, along with a tasty treat that carlos devoured. the rat poison packaging was just a decoy to keep anyone else from accidentally finding Maggie’s bracelet (and her stash of tasty treats lol)

1.12 LIMBO’S HOUSE OF HAPPY. a fucking CARNIVAL TENT of a pocket universe, run by a literal clown who made a deal with a witch to create a perfect place where he would never feel sad again. (somebody PLEASE tell me this feels like 15.20... from the rando pie festival where Dean STILL doesn’t get to eat pie and has it smashed in his face instead, and then gets hung on a rusty nail after fighting off some vampire clowns/mimes and sent to a weirdo version of Heaven where he can apparently never worry about anything again? freaking dystopian, ffs... but also... very much a thematic summary of the entire metanarrative plot of the Winchesters as a whole...)

I’m gonna spend the rest of this post absolutely yelling about this last one. While watching, my brain just kept lighting up with references to past canon.

A CLOWN named LIMBO.

Of course, when we think about clowns in Supernatural, we always think of Sam’s lifelong fear of them. Apparently connected to the fact that Dean used to leave him at Plucky Pennywhistle’s as a kid, but also... almost every reference to clowns in canon prime are connected either to Azazel or to Lucifer himself.

My very first thought about LIMBO the CLOWN was 11.10 The Devil in the Details. Rowena being the one to magically assemble the “stage cage” where they’d summoned Lucifer to question him about Sam’s visions and dealing with the Darkness, and Rowena appearing in this episode (even if in an entirely different plot arc, she’s still ~there~) feels very relevant.

But we’d known that Sam’s visions in s11 were foreshadowing a return of Lucifer and possibly a trip to the cage. But... Clowns Specifically were used to foreshadow this. In 11.07 Plush, Sam was trapped IN AN ELEVATOR with a murderous clown, and the overhead shot as Sam frees the man in the clown suit from possession... looks like cage bars (screencaps from HotN):

Remember, this was TWO EPISODES before Crowley leads Sam and Rowena INTO LIMBO in 11.09. LIMBO. Where Sam’s worst nightmare becomes reality and he’s literally trapped IN A FAKE CAGE, IN LIMBO, WITH THE ULTIMATE CLOWN:

(screenshot from the superwiki page for 11.09)

LIMBO is where Cas says yes to possession by Lucifer, and right after this kills Rowena for her trouble, after she confesses that she’s the only one who knows the spell to force him back into the actual cage.

From 11.09:

Crowley: We are in the furthest reaches of Hell, Limbo, where I send unruly souls for timeout. Sam: This is where I meet with Lucifer? Crowley: What it lacks in ambience it makes up for in security. They come to an empty cage. Rowena paints sigils on the cage, while the thunderstorm continues to rage. Crowley: Makes your flesh crawl, doesn’t it Moose? I get it. I’m the King of this place. It’s still not my cup of tea. Sam: I don’t know, Crowley. I’d say it suits you. Dark. Empty. Crowley: Fascinating; the utter contempt, when I’m in the midst of saving the Winchester’s bacon, again. Sam: The point of this is to save everyone’s bacon, including yours. Let’s just hope she knows what she’s doing. This cell won't hold crap if the warding is not right. Rowena: Don’t you worry about me, Samuel. I’m a professional. Crowley: Are you certain you can do this without actually opening the Cage? Rowena: We are about to find out, aren’t we.

Rowena BELIEVED Lucifer would become her protector, bring her peace, security, power. But it was all a lie. And in this episode, she seeks out Ada under the pretense of talking to the specific demon Ada had trapped in a bonsai tree, looking for information about her son...

Let’s detour through some other clown references from spn, just for funsies. The cold open victim in this episode was the only one who could see the magical tent, and his friend saw and heard nothing of it (he didn’t have the magic ticket). It called back to the children in 2.02 Everybody Loves a Clown. They were the only ones who could see the Rakshasa clown, who used those children to gain entry to their homes to devour their parents.

There’s also the ghost of John Wayne Gacy in 14.13, an episode where Dean’s wish to reunite his family is fulfilled, even for a brief moment. (the ghost will return in 14.20 when Chuck cracks Hell open). But specifically this clown is tied directly to John and Mary reuniting before John chooses to go back to his own time to save everyone else and restore the timeline. John will only vaguely remember the events as some sort of pleasant dream. It comes with a side of Dean accepting his life, not WANTING to change it because everything he’s endured has combined to make him the person he’s become. GROWTH DOT GIF.

(and in 15.01 the clown ghost nearly gets sam, again...)

Which brings me back to the Akrida. Our mind-controlling, possessing archvillain of this entire narrative. Whose goal seems to revolve around being freed from a sort of cage to run riot across creation. They have apparently shifted reality, all because Dean knocked over some first mysterious domino and unleashing the chain of events he’s been recounting through the entire series.

Was that inciting incident going back in time to deliver the note to John? Was it giving John the key to the MoL clubhouse that sparked not only what appears to be a massive change in the timeline from what we’d known from spn prime, but possibly also GENERATED the akrida as a monster specifically that creates these sorts of pocket dimensions to devour?

Also, brief aside to mention DEANNA. Like, the entire early part of the season revolved around Mary concerned about Samuel being “missing.” And yet, we also learned that Deanna had disappeared to points unknown. She hadn’t been seen by anyone in MONTHS, was last assumed to be hunting with some group in Michigan (? I think? top of my head reference), and yet NOBODY has showed the same concern for her whereabouts as they collectively did for Samuel. It’s almost like they all have some sort of weird amnesia about her at this point. They just... aren’t concerned about her at all, and haven’t even mentioned her in weeks. Which makes me think she’s at the center of all of this. I would be 100% unsurprised if she’s the one possessed by the Akrida queen at this point. because otherwise, WHERE TF IS SHE. But also, WHY TF IS NOBODY ELSE SEEMINGLY CONCERNED ABOUT HER AT ALL?! It’s WEIRD.

I am generally losing my mind over all of this, and don’t know what Big Secret will be revealed in the finale, but hooBOY I am prepared to scream about it for weeks. This is all just stashed here for my own future reference purposes, and I’m sure I’ll come back and add more things as I think of them, but heck this will have to suffice for now :’D

#the winchesters #spnwin s1 spoilers #spnwin 1.12 #spn 11.07 #spn 11.09 #spn 11.10 #spn 2.02 #spn 14.13 #spn 14.20 #spn 15.01 #spn 7.14 #spn 15.20

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futureconflicted · 2 months

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When dean is dying on that nail and asks Sam to tell him it's ok. I don't think he just meant tell me it's ok to let go, tell me it's ok to die.

dean was asking Sam if the way they lived with each other was ok too. That the things they did was ok because Sam wanted it too not just dean. Cause they don't talk about it. They've never talked about it. And this is deans last chance, he needs to know that Sam doesn't resent him. He needs to know that it was all ok

#wincest #spn #supernatural #sam winchester #dean winchester #15.20 #headcanon

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ardentpoop · 25 days

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sam. sammy... you're my favorite.

you ruined my life.

#🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪#spn #liveblog tag #2.21 #4.22 #5.03 #15.20

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azurelum1 · 2 months

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I don’t know how to feel when my friend has only watched season 1 to 3 and s15 e20 of Supernatural - like you saw Dean get dragged to hell and was not interested in to know what happens next but curious enough to know how the show ended so you watched the last episode which he dies on a rebar

I -

#supernatural #spn #dean winchester #sam winchester #destiel #s15 e20 #carry on #season finale #spn s1 #spn s3 #spn s3 e16 #no rest for the wicked #3.16 #15.20

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teamfreewill2pointo · 1 year

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I wouldn't have thought anything of the colors if Drake hadn't made a point to say that outfits/colors all were carefully selected to have meanings. I think it was on an insta story?

Producers etc. Have to have known the implications of 💚💙

How do you know it wasn't a parallel to this scene?

Their clothes match. Sam's wearing a darker blue shirt over a lighter shirt, just like Mary. John's shirt and Dean's jacket.

There were the vampires, the threat of impalement, the person in green dying, a declaration of love previously kept hidden...

Or do you think that the barn scene was Destiel????

How do you know the producers/directions know how some members of the fandom view greenblue? Misha, who's more into fandom than most, didn't know until fans told him at a convention.

Here's the thing - the vast majority of fans have no idea that a small group of fans see greenblue as meaning Destiel. If they wanted the audience to think of Destiel, they would be way more overt about it. They would do things that the average audience member would recognize.

Also, when I saw people on twitter talking about the parallels of two people locked in a room together while someone bangs on the door, I assumed it was John and Mary. What a wild ride when I watched the episode and it was John and Millie???? Brings new meaning to that bathtub scene!

#the winchesters #destiel #the winchesters spoilers #carry on #barn scene #spn 15.20

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