#asian lgbtq+ media

[happypotato48]

This Is A Gay Asian Rant About BL Comments Made By Some Queer Westerners I See Sometimes.

So you know of those gays (usually white) that made dumb tiktok dancing to list of countries that legalized same sex marriage and list of countries that discriminate against LGBTQIA+ poeple as a way to say something racist. yeah i kinda got the same vibes from some comments regard how asian BL is homophobic just cause they don't live up to queer western standard. look, i'm not saying that some BLs and their creators don't deserve criticism regard how they capitalized/exploited queerness for an easy cash grab.

But people need to understand that Asian countries despite recent progress are still very much culturally conservatives. so when people says that thai bl is homophobic and all the characters looks like bunch of straight guys, which is true for some olders thai BLs i'm not gonna denied that. but after all this time and newer BLs generally being very queer and most of creators being out queer themself and poeple still making these comments, i'm annoyed.

And don't get me start on the actors. you don't know them! why are you making assumption and calling them queerbaiter just cause they acts in bl. like maybe they're straight, maybe they're not but what they're definitely doing is making queer content for you know, queer people here. so when you made halfass comments about their sexuality what do you think that made other queer people who still in the closet feels. and when you add the nationality to that, "these thai bl pair are this and that, this korean actor is so ungrateful for his bl past", etc. when our societies are still very much still in progress regard LGBTQIA+ acceptance. it make us living here feels fucking awful like somehow we're lesser queer than people in the west just cause we don't have citibank at pride or some shit.

And the shittiest in my humbled opinion are comments regard censored chinese bls. people do know like, that the creators making these bls are risking their livelihoods for this. that these shows getting make at all are miracles. yes it sucked that they're censored but they're still very much queer shows making by queer people who want to express thier queerness despite the chinese government being the chinese government. when people dimissing these shows as not belonging in queer media, you're also dimissing their creators and audiences as not belonging in the community.

Look what i want to say is that we're trying our best over here, and maybe our best are not up to your liking. the ways we talk and express our queerness maybe still can be perceived as problematic by western queer standard. but these media are our house and you're the guests. for people aren't shitty we appreciated that you're here engaging and loving our media, this is your home too and you're welcome in it. i can speak for myself that i very much love being here on tumblr and interacting with people from all over the world who love BL. but for people who are being shitty sometimes about asian bl.

YOU'RE THE GUESTS, BEHAVE!

#bl drama #thai bl #asian lgbtq dramas #personal rant #dumb boy rambled #japanese bl #taiwanese bl #korean bl #asian ql #asian bl series #asian bl dramas #ql dramas #bl fandom #ql meta #queer media #just fandom things #fandom #chinese bl

[scarefox]

#!!!! #for the people in the back #and everyone who's interested in the deeper discourse on a academic level #bl drama #gl drama #ql drama #lgbtq #asian queer media #dr. thomas baudinette

[catpriciousmarjara]

Tell me: Is He Gay or In a Sherwani?

Imposition of western norms in fandom analysis of Asian characters

With the rising popularity of Indian cinema sparked by the recent success of RRR on international platforms as well as the easy availability of multiple streaming services, in addition to the appearance of South Asian characters in prominent roles in western, particularly US media, I've begun to see some concerning 'analysis' posts online. So I thought I'd address something I found common in most of these takes.

Guys, characterizing your blorbos as queer is great and all, love it, but you're making a fundamental mistake by making their clothing choices the foundation for your queer headcanons, especially when it comes to male characters. Do not apply existing western cultural ideas regarding male clothing onto South Asian characters and their dressing please.

The vast majority of the clothes being used by people in various online spaces as 'evidence' of a character being queer(gay or bi mostly) are just normal Indian clothing for men, like daily wear. A top being pink or a character's wardrobe being mostly pastel means absolutely nothing...cos Indian clothing tends to be colourful in general and the tendency to ascribe colours masculine and feminine qualities is considerably less in the subcontinent. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but generally not a concern.

There's also this pervasive idea that colourful clothing = flamboyance = queer and that itself is something many people have already pointed as a deeply flawed way of thinking and a stereotype. Furthermore, even if you do lean into the archetype of queer men being flamboyant, subscribing to the 'stereotypes exist for a reason don't they?' school of thought perhaps, there's also the fact that ideas of what is considered flamboyant change dramatically across different cultures. What is 'flamboyant' for someone might just be normal for others. Like maybe pink or purple or yellow might be considered too much, unmanly, emasculating etc in the US or something but they're just perfectly normal colours for men to wear in many, many cultures.

It's the 'Is he Gay or European?' principle. Did you characterize this Indian character (or any South Asian character really) as queer because of their canonical behaviour and portrayal, or did you just see their clothing and decide they're queer because being well groomed and having a colourful wardrobe is a character trait you exclusively ascribe to being queer?

Like guys, I like Chaipunk like the rest of you, but if you consider Pavitr queer just because his costume is a lot fancier than the others' (An actual take I've seen multiple times) without taking into account his cultural background....¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let me make this clear, I don't think people need a ten page analysis to imagine their fave as queer. Headcanoning a character as queer can have any reason ranging from 'I said so and so it is' to 'this is my light character analysis that makes a masters thesis look shabby' and they're all valid and an integral part of the fandom experience. What I am annoyed at are these so-called 'well-researched' theories that did not make the slightest effort to look into South Asian culture and simply transposed their western bias onto Indian media and confidently make flat out wrong judgements and mislead other people. Clothing based sexual identity determinism is the least of it. That I can at least understand through the lens of a habitual process built through years of analyzing crumbs of queer representation available only through queer coded characters and symbolism such as clothing choices being the only way to see an aspect of yourself portrayed in an aggressively heteronormative media ecosystem. I do that too, because media is tragically heteronormative everywhere. But the rest? Its just straight up misinformation and misrepresentation touted as truth.

Its the same with relationships between men. There are plenty of cultures where skinship between men is not unusual and dynamics and nuances tend to be vastly different from western representations of male friendships. In xianxia and wuxia fandoms you can see this same problem in a different font when outsiders, most often the western side of the fandom, try to apply their own standards and morals onto the original work and try to interpret it through a lens it was never supposed to be interpreted through in the first place, except maybe for comparative analysis. This practice itself isn't a major problem, its natural for people to apply what is familiar to them to try and understand something new. But when this is also accompanied by them foisting their personal interpretation and analysis as the 'correct' one and trying to impose it on the fandom as a whole, it escalates into a powder keg situation as you can imagine.

Again, not saying that western parts of fandoms are the root of all evil or anything like that, gods know how toxic netizens can be. But in this specific situation, where people try to impose western ideals on to non-western content and assumes the universalism of their own principles and value systems? Indeed an issue to be addressed.

#ATSV #South Asian Characters #Desi characters #South Asian culture #Desi Culture #Fandom analysis #LGBTQ+ #Brown culture #Spiderman: Across the Spiderverse #Pavitr Prabhakhar #Hobie Brown #Chaipunk #RRR #Miss Marvel #Tagging Miss Marvel and RRR only because they're in the intro-two pieces of media that are good examples of the increased attention- #on South Asian characters and Indian cinema #Not included in the body of the post except under umbrella terms like South Asian character/South Asian media & other such categories

[themundanedumpling]

the dff viewing experience summed up by random memes i have saved on my phone

i am going through the entire spectrum of human emotions while watching this show

#dead friend forever the series #dead friend forever #dff series #dff the series #thai bl #asianlgbtqdramas #asian lgbtq dramas #thai bl drama #dff memes #bl memes #lgbtq media #horror bl #pheenon #pheejin #teewhite #jinnon #tanfluke

[somewhatavidreader]

Tsukuritai Onna to Tabetai Onna, ep 04

The "date"

Translation cr. @furritsubs

#she loves to cook and she loves to eat #tsukuritai onna to tabetai onna #tsukutabe #higa manami #nishino emi #nomoto yuki #kasuga totoko #jdrama #jdramaedit #jdramanetwork #lgbtedit #lgbtq media #asianlgbtqdramas #AsianLGBTQDrama #asian lgbtq drama #wlw #wlwsource #wlwedit #wlwgif #wlw media #spoilers #swaredits

[heretherebedork]

Oh, this boy breaks my heart. Ugh, falling for the straight boy in your life is rough. The queer life it is for him. Poor Ryo fell for Hikaru ages ago and now he's just starting to realize how hard he fell.

#my strawberry film #japanese bl #ryo x hikaru #japanese bl drama #japanese bl series #bl series #bl drama #asianlgbtqdramas #asian lgbtq dramas #the queer experience in media

[foralleternityidiot]

Do you ever think about the queer media of the distant future that you won’t be alive to consume?

Like imagine all the reboots that will be made 50, 100, + years from now.

They’ll probably remake the entire marvel cinematic universe or star wars or lord of the rings but canonically gay this time and we won’t be around to see it. There’s gonna be actually queer Disney movies. Netflix’s successor will host full length 16 episode QL kdramas. China will finally release Immortality or even remake The Untamed with more than just subtext.

And I won’t get to watch any of it.

I’m sad.

#I like to ponder mortality salience before bed #I don’t even like marvel movies and I’m mad I won’t be able to watch them when they are finally allowed to be gay #queer media #marvel cinematic universe #Star Wars #lord of the rings #disney #the untamed #kdrama #bl series #ql series #asian lgbtq dramas #lgbtq media

[leixinyus]

#shirasu jin #raiku #life: love on the line #japanese drama #manydramagifs #jdramaedit #yeah no thanks #i'm still sometimes taken aback whenever i remember that this drama is a real thing that exists #sometimes you have series that are just so well-made with such incredible acting that it almost feels like a dream #like it isn't a real piece of media that exists because it's so real and raw and hits you in all of the feels #other asian countries have come so far in terms of lgbtq+ media too #but japan just... they just do it differently? idk #a lot of their queer stories feel so specially down-to-earth and authentic to me somehow

[rares-posts]

{Thriller Thai GL} [The Last Case ] On-site Casting BTS EP.1 subbed

The finalists going to next round of casting:

Their names are in source tweet

First teaser | Second Teaser | Teaser Posters | Character Details | Ep2 |

company: identity entertainment

#the last case #the last case th #thai gl series #thriller #sapphic #asian lgbtq series #lesbian #bisexual #wlw #wlw love #girls love #mystery #murder mystery #queer media

[discluded]

Here's his profile, in case you have any concerns about authenticity / "neutral" academic status.

Thomas Baudinette is Senior Lecturer in Japanese and International Studies in the Department of Media, Communications, Creative Arts, Languages and Literatures at Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia.

Some fandoms really need to be told to be respectful cause their BL actors / idols are watching you show your ass. Even if they're not dating their screen partner, if they're queer and they see your homophobic / queer erasure comments, guess how much that hurts their feelings.

#lgbtq #queer #queer media #asian queer #asian lgbtq history #not tagging this with ships or fandoms because it's not about that #thdrama #bl drama #yaoi #kit connor #cw forced outing

[randomjreader]

We're officially in August, which means the start of 2023's gay media month:

- heartstopper season 2 on 3 August

- rwrb movie on 11 August

- only friends the series on 12 August

Update: Apparently dangerous romance is dropping on 18 August?? WE STAY WINNING

What a great time to be gay

(Now announce some new GLs and QLs in general, or even just news about filming or something, it's 🏳️‍🌈 media month time to capitalise on that production companies)

#im unfortunately not referring to western media when i say drop some announcements for lgbtq shows #because uk theres the wga strike #and nothing new shld be happening until the workers get paid their rightful wages #but like asian production houses drop some news 👀 #oh imagine some young royals content dropping this month??? #especially on this cursed month for the yr fandom #heartstopper #red white and royal blue #rwrb #only friends #gmmtv #lgbtq media #lgbtq #🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ #dangerous romance #dangerous romance the series

[scarefox]

No but srsly I am baffled how this page is not more popular? This is literally a collection of A+ recipes for discourse??

ESPECIALLY this part

Just a few months ago I was whining how we need someone to do proper research about the whole BL industry, shipping culture, fandom behavior and history to disprove all the false or outdated assumptions that constantly get thrown at shipping culture and BL fandoms, while positive aspects get ignored completely. 

AND NOBODY TOLD ME there is already this huge ass collection of all kinds of academic researches on this page including links and sources and documentation of how queer-phobic and sexist the whole anti movement was and still is??

They even go into psychology of why a lot of women like m/m or f/f content, nonbinary genders and why many gay men actually like romantic BL over hypermasculine ‘gay comics’

(note: this does not mean we don't have issues in fandom and industry! We should be aware of them as well and fix them but shooting at the wrong people doesn’t help anybody)

#there are two kinds of f-words that get thrown around in discourse which trigger me hard because they are 99% used wrong and harmful #a lot of people don't even realize how much the whole shipping and BL culture helped to get actual canon LGBTq characters on screen #bl dramas #bl drama #thai bl #japanese bl #korean bl #LGBTq #queer media #queer asian media

[oracleandbone]

"Caught up in a one night love affair"

Wallpaper version

#a summer's end #a summer's end hong kong 1986 #Michelle Cheung #Sam Wong #wlw #lgbtq+ #oracle & bone #1980s #hong kong #illustration #traditional painting #mixed media art #a summer's end - Hong Kong #asummersend #original art #lgbt #lgbtqplus #asian lgbtq #f/f

[stefanyd]

So i was having a lovely conversation with @rythyme about the current rapid evolution of the BL industry, specially in Thailand - looking at the impact KinnPorsche is having, everywhere, at the moment - and it led us to a path where i was able to articulate something i’ve been thinking about or a while in regards to BL as a genre and how it relates to (and is) LGBTQ+ media.

BL might have its roots as a genre made for fangirls as fanservice, but the reality of it is, it is ALSO queer media and as the world at large embraces LGBTQ+ identities(i use the term embrace loosely here, we are all aware of the hurdles we face still), the lines have blurred into what people consider just BL - as fangirl fanservice - and LGBTQ+ content.

That does not mean that there isn't just fanservice for the sake of it out there, not every piece of media has to be nuanced and whatnot (we all like chicken nuggets every once in a while people, don’t lie, five course meals are not always where its at), but it does mean that there is more media that lands in the blended space. I believe BL media is and should be qualified under LGBTQ+ media. Bad buddy is a great example. It is 100 percent a BL, ticks all the boxes, but it is also 100 percent a coming of age, nuanced love story between two boys that tugs at your heartstrings and makes you want to go through the joy and anxieties of falling in love. That has a lot to do with the Director of the show, P’Aof, a very talented director, and an out gay man. Watching his reaction/review videos to the show, along with his peers who are also queer men, specially for the final episode, has been one of the best experiences of my life. It was hard to put into words, but hearing what these older queer/gay men had to say about this show, their lives, their experiences, the differences between their youth and today. It was mind blowing, specially because they are from a whole different culture than mine, and as my older sister who is in their age range said: “you’re watching/learning queer history.” It was both touching and a great learning experience.

BL is a genre that can be multiple things at once (like any other), but what lends itself to the blending I mentioned before is that we are not only seeing the industry as a whole growing with its fanbase, but also the fact that more LGBTQ+ voices are getting involved in the making and distribution of it.

Rythyme made a point in our conversation, “BL as a genre despite its shortcomings has always been, at its core, both queer and transgressive and it's hard to draw those lines between what's made for the ‘BL fangirl’ vs the ‘queer person’ bc those boundaries are super blurred” And i agree with that statement, because many of those BL fangirls the genre was aimed at turned out to be queer people later in life. They mentioned listening to a talk by an older Japanese lesbian who was an OG BL fan from the start of it all, and who discussed how BL helped her discover her own queerness, which was a lightbulb moment for Rythyme as they listened to it.

And that’s the thing. BL culture in the east, and slash culture in the west, they both started labeled as “fanservice for the fangirls”, and their similarities don’t end there, they are both movements that have led a lot of queer people in a journey of self-discovery. My sister @teland has almost 15 years+ on me, and as she put it:

I can't count the number of queer people of all genders and ages and everything else who I've spoken to over the past 20-odd years about slash, bl, and other intersections of queerness, fantasy, and *hope* who have said to me:

"This is where I found myself." "This is how I learned who I was." "This is how I wrote myself into my own body." "This is how I learned how to draw the boundaries of my self." And so on, and so forth.

There is nothing more queer than taking identity/self/sexuality/gender and remaking it in our own images for the sake of learning ourselves.

So yeah. i am in no way making light of, or ignoring, the fact that the fetishizing that has gone on since its inception isn't a thing (i am not a gay man, i can't speak for their struggles or issues with said fetishizing), but i feel it disingenuous to deny the fact that it, and the people it was/is aimed for have evolved.

There's surely someone out there better qualified, and with more energy than me, to address the other, more problematic side of this whole thing, where it lacks and where it fails, and I wish them all the luck. I'm genuinely just. So happy to see the growth and evolution of it as a whole. It brings me untold joy, and when there are just so many things in the world that aim to take the joy away from our lives, I want to embrace all the things that give it to me.

Now give me more GL stuff lol.

#Thai BL #Boys Love #LGBTQ+ #LGBTQ+ media #asian lgbtq dramas #i am SO SORRY about how long this is #i have so much to saaaaay #i mean im leaving out a bunch of other stuff that brings even more nuance to my argument #like cultural differences #how lgbtq+ rights are being fought over as we speak in the countries that are the leading exporters of BL #and my thoughts on how revolutionary it is that this content IS so popular there and worldwide #and how i want to watch the evolution and growth of this genre and watch how it impacts the fight for those rights #and so much more oh man #someone send me to bed

[somewhatavidreader]

Tsukuritai Onna to Tabetai Onna, ep 01

Nomoto's face (and emotional) journey watching Kasuga eat her cooking for the first time

#she loves to cook and she loves to eat #tsukuritai onna to tabetai onna #tsukutabe #higa manami #nomoto yuki #jdramaedit #jdrama #jdramanetwork #lgbtedit #lgbtq media #asianlgbtqdramas #AsianLGBTQDrama #asian lgbtq drama #wlwedit #wlwsource #wlwgif #wlw media #wlw #spoilers #swaredits

[i-got-the-feels]

A date between a mafia boss and his social influencer bodyguard boyfriend

#kinnporsche the series #asian lgbtq dramas #kinnporsche source #lgbtqedit #kinn x porsche #kinn anakinn #kinn theerapanyakul #porsche pachara #mile phakphum #apo nattawin #samblr #usernuria #tosnimeat #usermor #tonanons #userspicy #userjap #ninisdarlings #igtf edits #Yes I am still on porsche social media influencer agenda #No i dont see myself leaving the agenda any time soon #igtf edits: kinnporsche