is it okay if i ask you the same question you asked me? i'm really curious and i'd like to know more about your take on Barry and Cisco and their powers and how they connect and work together. if it's okay?
Yes definitely!
Usually I headcanon Cisco's powers come from the Speed Force, and almost in two parts? So, there is the general in dctv canon metahumans are created at exposure to some unnamed dark matter, established in series 1 but not a constant requirement of exposure at a moment that would otherwise result in death, almost like a rapid evolution in a single organism instead of over generations (which might have a name but I can't think of one right now). And dark matter might just be everywhere, so presumably there is a specific particle or something that activates an existing metagene, and the most likely source seems to be the Speed Force? It's opening the Speed Force in s4 that creates the bus metas, the Philosopher's Stone in s3 is from the Speed Force, even way back at the start the purpose of the particle accelerator is to channel a path for the Speed Force to reach Barry. Which actually what you said the other day about Cisco's powers coming from Barry first travelling through time fits so well, I have been writing them in fic as starting to develop slowly from the initial explosion, but travelling through time is sort of the first time Barry accesses the Speed Force rather than just draws power from it if that makes sense? And he doesn't know it yet, but that moment, that surge of power Barry unknowingly lets out being what triggers Cisco's metagene, again with the end goal of saving his life... Yes, I like this idea, I'm going to stick with it after I talk about the second half of how I headcanon Cisco's powers are connected to the Speed Force.
Which is Cisco's powers are literally from the Speed Force, he's connected to it just like Barry is, it just manifests in different ways. Barry when he travels through time intentionally sees things in the Speed Force, in a similar way to Cisco's vibes, they can both access different universes through their powers, both their powers are linked to vibrations, so maybe the Speed Force is impossible to truly say what it is, but it's somehow connected to the vibration of the multiverse. And I think maybe Cisco's powers might also be linked to the other Forces too- the Speed Force uses plural pronouns in their early appearances, then stops after the arc with the other Forces, after they become separate entities, so with Cisco's abilities meaning he sees through time maybe he draws from the Still Force a little at least, I think it could have been fun to have Cisco's powers glitching after Crisis and at first they think it's because the multiverse is gone and then it goes into the Forces arc and they slowly piece together the Forces are no longer together and that's what's causing Cisco's problems, when they get them to work together again Cisco's powers are fixed too.
Anyway I got distracted. There is a line in episode two "[Cisco's] the eyes and ears, and [Barry's] the feet", and I think that almost later sums up their powers? Or at least how they use them together- Cisco gets his vibes and can tell Barry where to be, Barry can run through time and Cisco can see through it, he can see the changes and other timelines. Barry can share his speed through Flashtime, and Cisco can stop a speedster in their tracks, and I think Barry's probably glad it's Cisco that ended up with the power to stop a speedster, Cisco and Iris are probably the only people he would trust with it if he had to give it to someone.
So now I want to go back to Cisco's powers being triggered by Barry changing time. If Cisco's powers come from the Speed Force, it's by Barry accessing it at that point, giving it that path into the world, and by the Speed Force deciding that is the point Cisco needs them. He gets his vibes so he can see his death, knows what happened, can learn how to avoid it this time around. And his death came at the hand of a speedster, eventually he'll get the powers to stop a speedster, to cut them off from their powers, it's like they were tailor-made so if Cisco had had powers in that moment he would have been able to stop Eobard and save his own life, like the Speed Force knows they can't protect him exactly, but they can give him the tools he needs to protect himself.
(And, well, pulling a little from the comics, Barry is the Speed Force, or it came from him, either way there's an echo of Barry within it, of course the Speed Force wanted Cisco safe, and maybe it was a part of Barry that chose to give Cisco the powers to stop him should they ever need it after all)
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Chase theory : He's a Psychic
Sort of. Maybe. I dunno it's a theory.
Anyway, last night in the wee hours of 2am CST I typed out a smallish theory while half asleep. Now the theory is still in the works of being worked out as we just had Project IRIS happen yesterday of Halloween~! So it won't be as refined, or at least still just left loosely there to leave room for new information that may come our way in the future.
Anyway, I gave a rough draft of the thought of why Chase is a psychic of some kind. One of those reasons was his talk of energies. Which I found a bit odd, given his character, you wouldn't think of him saying, "Not like that but there's a certain energy in this room that I felt before." But rather say something along the lines of, "I dunno, just feels like I was here before."
We have painted Chase as the sad dad, the man that tried his best to be a good father, a good husband and overall good man, doing videos for youtube for a living, being the goofball dad for his kid. Granted his attitude and outlook in life evolved very differently to be a bit more down to earth and less childish.
Whether that as a change to his character from the get go or reflecting his view of life after the loss of Stacy and their child. So he would grow more cynical and cautious around people with his seeing of Anti haunting him everywhere.
Anyway, it still makes it odd to have Chase say something like that. But it could be something of a slip of the tongue, likely used to talking about it to Stacy during their early days of marriage or dating... who knows. So you wouldn't think he was "special" and given his answer to Echo, he didn't realize either... at least not aware of it as much as he should have.
It's likely he wasn't aware how much of a psychic he is. Probably thought he only had the ability to have premonitions, just weird deja vu dreams and and a feel for energy... just low spectrum of stuff. But didn't know how powerful he could be in actuality or has a certain, rare ability that Anti wants.
Like Channeling certain energies... or connect to others on a wider scale that is useful to Anti and AI (maybe, dunno about the eyeball blob). Or perhaps has an ability to touch time in a certain way... (not likely but its on the table).
Speaking of premonitions, Chase had one. Back in Dark Silence, Chase was wandering around lost in a dark space but stumbles upon a red lit hallway with Anti (whom he doesn't know who the heck he is) standing at the very end of the hall. And we all know how that went, but Robin had confirmed that scene in Dark Silence was a dream.
Thus, Chase had a premonition and eventually experienced something like this himself when Stacy and their child were killed.
((By Anti by his own hands, warping Chase's family's perception into making them think they were killed by him and warped Chase's perception into trying to make Chase believe he killed his own family. Or Anti forced Chase into killing his family by warping Chase's perception and senses into thinking he was harming Anti or some other enemy when it was in fact his own family. We don't know for certain which one. All we do know is Anti torments Chase by repeatedly showing him the images of their deaths and how it's his fault. His two treasures ripped away from him and all happiness visibly drains from Chase.))
And he sees this very same hallway when he was taken from his current room to be moved elsewhere for safety (jokes on IRIS... no where in the facility is safe) and drag him out of the room to go. But to get where they need to go... they have to pass this hallway... bathed in red light.
Chase recalls his dream and begins to panic about it, insisting to (I don't know Arin's character's name so I'm going to call him Arin for now) Arin that they have to leave this area, to NOT go into that hallway. He screams that he HAS been here. That He's been in this exact spot.
But how? He knew he never set foot in this facility. Arin confirmed that Chase has never been here before at all, no records whatsoever of him being here prior to the recent days of interviewing. So... how did Chase know that going down that one hallway will lead to disaster? How did he know he was here before?
His dream. He had a premonition of this area, bathed in eerie red light and someone at the end of the hall, dressed in dark clothing and glowing eyes... and that man is stalking towards him. He doesn't know if he dies in it or what but he knows things will not end happily if he's forced there.
Sadly, he was forced across... and sadly like he knew... things did not go well. Those around him were killed, being the only one left to face the terrifying nightmare that has haunted him for months... possibly years... stalking toward him... just like in his dream.
OH! I almost forgot about two more things!
Echo and Arin.
Echo briefly appears to speak with Chase, warning him of Anti and him needing to escape before he's found. But it also vaguely told him that the reason Anti was hunting him down was because he was special. How special? Hell if we know, but still special enough for Anti to catch interest and stalk him everywhere. Thus he has a use to Anti... if not then our walking nightmare with a knife would have offed him long ago.
And then we have Arin who oddly points out "Mr. Brody there are powers in this world that seek to harm individuals, such as yourself, that we are trying to protect you from."
See that there? Individuals. Why not just say, "There's powers in this world that seek to harm the public"? Or the world? Why specifically say individuals? This further leads me to believe that Chase has a power that Anti wants for himself or seeks to destroy but do it slowly and methodically to cause as much suffering all for the sake of his own entertainment.
Perhaps Anti is seeking individuals out to become his puppets but Chase, despite being battered repeatedly by mental and emotional assault of the deaths of his family, remains as himself, if just as cynical and guarded to protect himself. So this intrigues Anti and keeps hunting him down. Like a cat playing with a mouse, curious of what it will do next. Hell, Anti could be hunting him down to be Argentum Inanis' vessel or something.
I don't know for sure but that's about as much reasoning as I have currently that makes me believe Chase is something of a psychic or someone of a great dormant power within him. For all we know Chase could be of a bloodline that can open and close gateways to other realms so those like Argentum Inanis can crawl on through. Don't know but that would make it more fantasy than Sci-fi horror but then we have Marvin and the AIMC running around so hey, magic exists!
But I do understand this is not a lot to go on but like I said, it's not completely refined. Perhaps the whispers in the clips video would give more answers.
What do you guys think? In fact, what do you guys think Chase's "specialty" is that Anti wants?
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