#ml misogyny

[howhow326]

So, when Miraculous Ladybug Season 5 ends, can we all get together and do what the VLD fandom did to their show?

Like, just cancel it on Twitter or something???

#miraculous ladybug salt #ml writers salt #thomas astruc salt #we have more than enough examples #of this show's sexism #racism #and #abuse apologism #we can cancel it #ml racism #miraculous ladybug racism #ml sexism #ml misogyny #ml victim blaming #ml abuse apologism #ml leak #ml leaks #ml show bible leaks #ml salt

[miraculermarinette]

My last ask got me thinking..

Isn't it weird that the characters that are treated worst by the fandom, i.e, Marinette, Alya and Kagami, have two things in common, that is being girls and being POC? Like, I have noticed that people in this fandom are usually harder on POC characters than they are on white characters and also treat the girls way more badly than the boys.

I even pointed this out before, when the fandom wanted Luka and Adrien to be the guardian and the superhero duo while wanting Marinette to be erased. They didn't even want Kagami to be the Cat miraculous holder which makes all the important members of the team male. Both Luka and Adrien are white boys while the characters they deliberately erased were girls of color.

In Rocketear, Nino, a black boy, acted possessive of his gf Alya just like Chat Noir, a white boy, has been acting for three seasons straight, but he still got more flack for doing so than Chat Noir ever got by the mainstream fandom. Many ML stans also support the writers’ idea of making Marinette, a girl of color. apologize to the police  in the episode Qilin, which was supposed to tackle racism. 

In the show too, girls are usually the ones making wacky decisions, screwing things up and facing the consequences while the boys get to be the perfect angels the writers think they are. And IF the boys do make a mistake at some point, they usually have to face lesser consequences. Their mistakes are often brushed off (Chat Noir’s jealousy in Copy cat) while the girls have to face long term consequences for making a similar sort of mistake (Marinette’s jealousy in Volpina). 

The boys are given better friendships and are seen casually supporting each other, while the girls’ friendships often revolve around their crushes and boyfriends. The girls are shown to be fighting over one boy while the boys have no such rivalry. Girls are pitted against each other and hardly get any character development. Marinette still is obsessed over Adrien and Chloe is still a selfish bully while Adrien was able to get over his creepy flirting and Alec, a guy who tried to trash a teenager on tv for his dream job, gets a redemption in one episode.

And these are just a few examples of the discrimination that exists in Miraculous.

 With all the racist and misogynistic things I have seen in the show, I feel confident enough to say that a group completely made up of White Men shouldn’t be writing a show about a POC Girl. It is a shame that Miraculous is known as a “Girl power show”.

#ml salt #long post #adrien salt #marinette deserves better #ml writer salt #kagami deserves better #ml racism #ml misogyny #ml sexism #marinette dupaincheng #Kagami tsurugi #ml fandom salt #ml fandom sexism #ml fandom racism

[mariproducer]

They're probably keeping Chloe in the show to give Chrysalis an ally in seasons 6&7. Cause the writers obviously couldn't think of anyone else to team up with the new main villain except for the other mean girl in the class.

On one hand, I'm not against the idea of Chloe or Lila being antagonists or getting more power. On the other hand, this is mlb, where they're demonized more than the abusive father sooooo I'm not looking forward to that if that's what they decide to do with Chloe post s5.

Also the mlb writing team wrote themselves into a hole by hyperfocusing on Gabriel as the main villain and not. Going out of its way to idk add more threats on the superhero side of things besides Mayura

#ask #anon #ml bible leak #ml leaks #i wish i could fully enjoy chloe or lila's antagonism but the writing is rife with misogyny that it feels insidious at times #ml misogyny #ml writers salt

[punkeropercyjackson]

I mean it's not like i'm wrong💀Marinette i wish i could free you from the clutches of white fuckboys,including your creator

#ghostflower #punkflower #ghostpunkflower #miles morales #antiadrienette #antifelinette #marinette dupain-cheng #marinette deserves better #marinette sugar #spiderverse #atsv #spiderman #ml #anti miraculous ladybug #marimiles #< for organization #summeredits #harrasment cw #racialized misogyny #summerposting #gwen stacy #hobie brown #trans #bi #autistic headcanons #t4t marimiles

[xhanisai]

every time I think "Hmm, the ml fandom is chill", one of you nasties pop up, spouting shitty takes like blaming abuse victims for acting anxious or depressed or lonely or shit like that and then I remember why I never wanted to participate in this fandom in the first place.

you SUCK.

#delete later #ml fandom salt #you nasties also reek of misogyny and sexism too #LET BAD BITCHES BE BAD BITCHES.

[madamefeu]

You know I feel generally conflicted about Chloe's character I don't like her at all and I don't think her redemption arc was as amazing as some people claim. On the other hand Thomas Astruc is very weird about her character and for a show that he claims to be some feminist master piece he really acts like mean teenage girls are the devil and irredeemable but grown ass men like Gabriel and Andre Bourgeois deserve to be forgiven and glorified for their horrible actions just very odd all-round.

Also take this with a grain of salt but I remember reading somewhere that apparently one time Astruc compared Chloe to Donald Trump deeply unserious man.

Y’know, Miraculous Ladybug claims to be feminist when it really isn’t, and I think that it’s because Thomas Astruc, for some reason or another, cannot stand the idea of anyone liking and/or sympathising with Chloe. His hatred of his own character, and anyone who likes or supports her is pretty fucking disturbing, and it’s clear that he enjoys making her suffer, and insulting anyone who likes her by comparing her to Donald Trump. Her ‘redemption’ arc in season two was a mess because Jeremy Zag wanted to redeem her, but nope, middle school bullies are irredeemable in Astruc’s eyes, so any hope of a redemption for her was conveniently tossed out of the window.

What ultimately sickens me is that a bratty middle schooler who is the product of her terrible upbringing gets the ultimate hate sink, while we’re expected to sympathise with, and ultimately forgive, a literal magical terrorist, and the father who enabled and spoiled his daughter beyond all reason. NO. I’m done with this show. Done.

#the immaturity of Thomas astruc #anti thomas astruc #chloe bourgeois #chloe deserves better #anti gabriel agreste #anti Andre bourgeois #misogyny #miraculous ladybug salt #ml salt

[theerurishipper]

Oh… I just saw someone say Adricat is a male power fantasy and I’m just like… WHAT??? Are we watching the same show lmao

Lmao @ anyone thinking Adrien is a male power fantasy. The boy literally got reduced to being the stereotypical damsel in distress for Marinette and only exists to be her prize once she defeats the big bad. His emotions are always invalidated, and no one treats him with basic respect for his autonomy and agency, as evidenced by all the secret keeping. Everyone in the show makes his decisions for him, and all he does is cater to their needs while invalidating his own. He gets kicked out of his own story and his girlfriend completes his arc for him while he spends the confrontation with his father locked up in a white room. His ending is him being gaslit into loving his abuser and ending up with the girl who is siding with the aforementioned abuser and denying him basic information about his very existence. He's not allowed to know shit about his own life, and he's not allowed to do anything or feel anything if it inconveniences the other characters. He is literally just a love interest. Power fantasy my ass, he has no power at all.

#MLB #Miraculous Ladybug #Adrien Agreste #Meta #My meta #Asks #ML Salt #ML Writers Salt #ML Fandom Salt #Marinette Salt #I would write about how Adrien is a “female coded” character #And how he is told that he is too emotional to be able to make his own choices #But others have done that better than me #It's a double whammy of both misogyny and abuse apologia fr

[theprinceandthewitch]

... The way i know these alternate versions of Adrien and Marinette are going to have a healthier relationship than the originals, but theyre gonna try framing it as a bad thing because they're "EEEVIL."

They're going to have open and honest communication with each other [since it looks like they're still choosing to work together as a team] and Claw Noir is gonna display some form of agency in his actions but the writers will be like "NO, this isnt good! Adrien can't have any agency of his own because he's too emotional and he exists just to be a pretty prize Marinette wins after defeating the villain."

#ml special #this show is so fucking funny bc it expects you to see it as a character driven story but its entirely protagonist-centric #when it comes to its morals and story structure #also it believes every teenage girl who doesnt like Marinette is an irredeemable monster but a man who terrorizes an entire city #and his family is capable of being redeemed. It is insane how this show tries to push itself as progressive but it's riddled with #misogyny. Treating Adrien like every single female love interest that has ever existed in action cartoons isnt progressive #idk why ppl think it is lol. The show is basically saying Adriens “girly” qualities are a problem and the reason why he has no agency #in his own story #like it immediately made me think about how women are denied humanity because men claim we are too emotional to make #rational choices for ourselves or others like they can #Also I cant believe Gabriel was able to go to heaven with his wife despite all the child abuse and terrorism.

[rjalker]

A listener would have thought at last that the one role of woman on earth was a perpetual sacrifice of her person, a continual abandonment of herself to the caprices of a hostile soldiery.

can you believe this French man from the 1800s is more progressive and feminist and shaming of misogyny than real men today who pretend to write "Girl power" shows for little kids where they literally teach young girls that sexual harassment is the height of romance and that they should be happy that boys sexually harass them????

#Rjalker reads The Complete Original Short Stories of Guy de Maupassant #Boule de Suif #Miraculous Ladybug #misogyny #feminism #ML writers salt #ML writers guillotine

[iwasbored777]

If Marinette was a guy, let me tell you what would've happened. People would go WILD for a sensitive, artistic and cute boy who's lovesick and a big romantic. Him having Adrien's photos would never be a big deal bc from a long time, fandom is apologetic and too forgiving of a male characters action. He wouldn't be called a stalker, he would be called protective and so possessive and cute. I've seen ppl defend a guy who drugs the mc and sexually assaulted her. Trust me, this won't be a problem.

I know! Literally the only male main characters who get crap for their behaviour are Danny Zuko from Grease, Noah from Notebook, Howard Volovitz from Bug Bang Theory (who btw had character development unlike Raj who ACTUALLY deserves hate but doesn't get it) and Ross Geller from Friends. Everyone else is totally fine.

I know the praise for being "good fathers" Homer Simpson from Simpsons and Richard Waterson from The Amazing World Of Gumball get when they are both sh*tty fathers and sh*tty husbands.

Homer always whines about how much he hates his life and his own family and his job and literally all his friends tell him they would die for a life like that but he doesn't appreciate it. Every time Marge told him to do something useful for their household he doesn't want to do it and she has to. For a while I loved him because he's hands down the funniest character in the show until he found out Marge is going to see a therapist every week from how unhappy she is with her life, instead of talking about that to her and trying to make their marriage better, he chose not to tell her anything because he thinks the therapy is enough, he didn't even feel sorry for her because after therapy she's always cooking good meals and is in mood for s*x so it works for him. Every time he ruined something she made he gets rewarded in the end of the episode, and she and their kids always forgive him. He literally doesn't even care about Maggie, always makes Lisa's life harder, and HE LITERALLY CHOKES BART AND PEOPLE SEE THAT AS FUNNY AND NO ONE EVER CALLED IT OUT! Bart literally has trauma from that, it was established in the show and the movie. You know who is hated in that show? Lisa. Lisa, who is one of the sweetest characters and one of my favourite characters I relate so much to, is hated because of her religion, Homer is loved for being a jerk.

Richard Waterson is so bad my own grandma hated him! He does literally nothing around the house and kids, Nicole has to work and take care of three freakin children AND the household but he can get away with everything and people even see him as a good guy who "tries his best" because he spends all day in bed eating junk food.

Peter Griffin and Quagmire from Family Guy are also horrible characters. Peter is a bad father who hates his daughter and Quagmire is a LITERAL r*pist and people not only love Peter but also laugh at Quagmire's r*pe jokes and scenes where they hinted that he r*ped someone.

Patrick Star from Spongebob Squarepants is so bad that I was a kid and I already hated him. He's treating Spongebob like cr*p and uses him and Spongebob always has to apologise cuz HOW DARE HE BE MAD AT HIS BEST FRIEND WHO'S ALSO THE WORST FRIEND YOU COULD EVER HAVE and Patrick is so popular he even got a spin-off show.

Aaron Samuels from Mean Girls was the biggest hypocrite ever and no one hates him, everyone hates the main female character who was also a hypocrite but you know how it goes - she learned her lesson, she became a better person, and he got rewarded even though he's still a jerk and he doesn't even realize he's a jerk.

I already wrote about My Best Friend's Wedding and Made of Honor being two movies with the same plot but MBFW has a female lead and MoH has male lead and the female lead also suffered the consequences and learned her lesson and she lost and EVERYONE EVERYWHERE hates her, you won't see anyone on the Internet who loves her, but no one hates him who won by doing something terrible, never learned his lesson and never faced the consequences. She can't be with a guy she loves but he can be with a girl he loves and she is terrible he's not, he's a hero.

In that movie Emma the main character who's wonderful ended up with a guy who was is always criticising her and yelling at her and I don't see people complaining about that.

Gumball in The Amazing World Of Gumball is a really bad kid. He's selfish and mean for no reason and no one hates him and he doesn't get character development but you know what? I'm glad no one hates him cuz he's just a kid - and so is Marinette. Gumball is actually the most accurate representation of a kid his age. But he doesn't receive criticism for stuff Marinette receives criticism all the time, even when doing something bad wasn't in her intentions. I would rather want them to criticise his father Richard if they have to criticise someone but no way they'll get criticism cuz they are male characters.

Maxim Lavrov from The Kitchen is literally THE WORST main character I've ever seen in my life and I watched so much stuff. He is constantly stalking Victoria, his on-off girlfriend, literally 70% of times they had s*x that was because he literally forced her to do it even when she told him to let her go and that is seen as hot but actually that's r*pe, he stole her documents so she can't travel with other guy when they broke up, he poked holes on her tires to prevent her from leaving with someone else, he stole her medical records in hospital when she was pregnant to see if the baby was his, he spread rumours that she is dating their boss who's married and that she would date anyone who can buy her stuff, he fought his rival out of jealousy, he cheated on her twice with the same woman, he didn't want to do anything around their apartment and she had to everything herself when they got married, he didn't like her for being "too perfect", he dated the girl he cheated with the first time he broke up with Victoria and when karma did it's work and he got cheated on he pursued Victoria immediately as if he would actually date her again if he didn't break up with this girl and when Victoria didn't want to date him he blamed her for their relationship failing and he called her a gold digger, he always grabbed her by her hand forcefully and he was really rough with her when she didn't want to talk even when she was pregnant, he followed her everywhere ALL THE TIME and spied on her. I think only my mom and I can't stand him. Everyone else loves him on the fan page and everyone who's seen the show. They love him. The only consequence he suffered was when she broke up with him both times when he cheated but even in the end of the show they didn't get together but they were in good terms and they worked at the same place and he was allowed to take care of their daughter with her and he got a promotion too. Without even trying.

Shrek literally signed a contract to get rid of his family and I feel like I'm the only one who hated him in that movie, no one complains about that character downgrade cuz like how tf do you disown everyone you love and still get a reward in the end?!

Raymond, Robert and Frank from Everybody Loves Raymond are treating their wives horribly, no one said anything about them. They are all horrible, you don't know which one is worse. In fact, ELR makes abuse Debra, Raymond's wife, has to suffer from his family funny.

Fallon and Adam from Dynasty - Fallon always works on being a better person even when she breaks a vase while Adam kills people and all is forgiven

I'm sure there are a lot more other examples and these are just a few, but female characters ALWAYS suffer the consequences in stuff I watched. I don't remember ever seeing a female character cheating her partner and getting away with it, a male character is always forgiven for cheating after the female character is really hurt, she always forgives him and they are a happy couple. And don't tell me about rom com jerks who get the girl every time for treating her terribly. Also women in rom coms are shallow if they choose a hot tall bf but male characters can choose women who look like literal supermodels and that's totally not shallow. I just hate these stereotypes. "If male character did it they would get cancelled" I literally grew up watching male characters who never changed and those toxic ones ended up as a pop culture icons. It's a rare case when a male character's behaviour is called out.

Bish I literally had to watch people draw Chat Noir punching Ladybug and people saying he should do it in the comments and him getting praised when he yelled at her and that's totally fair from our fandom? That's not gender equality, that's misogyny.

#miraculous ladybug #Ml fandom salt #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #misogyny #leave marinette alone challenge #Double standards #Marinette deserves better #Marinette deserves a better fandom #ml ask #ask and answer #Ml analysis #Marinette analysis

[howhow326]

#miraculous ladybug salt #ml writers salt #ml salt #thomas astruc salt #yes this is cringe #I dont care #im coming at them for: #1. treating Adrien the way they did #2. writing Chloe and Lila the way they did #3. treating Kagami the way they did #4. writing Alya and Nino the way they did #and finnaly #allowing Gabriel to exist #and Audrey #and Ms. Bustier #ms Bustier salt #ml racism #ml sexism #ml victim blaming #ml misogyny #ml misogynoir #and probably #a lot more cuz this show is that bad

[dumblr-account]

She’s baby, guys!

I find it so funny how she isn’t just mean to Chat Noir for being a jokester, instead starting out confused before retorting him for his behavior! Like, he is objectively meaner to her than in the show, but she doesn’t hit him with her yo-yo once!

#miraculous spoilers #miraculous ladybug #mlb spoilers #mlb #ml awakening #miraculous awakening #miraculous #awakening spoilers #awakening movie #miraculous movie #miraculous netflix #i still love chat in this movie tho #he probably would’ve treated her the same if she was a boy #so i don’t think it’s misogyny #he never even mentions her gender #sokka was more sexist than him #he’s just a silly little guy #plus he gets humbled #and character development #so i’m not complaining #ml ladybug #ladybug #watermelon #ml movie spoilers #ml awakening spoilers #ladynoir #ml movie #chat noir

[miraculermarinette]

Marinette Dupain Cheng deserved better. The way the writers flandarized her for "comedic effect" is appalling and every little thing is always her fault even when it's not. If that's not enough some people are quick to drag Marinette, Alya, and Kagami to oblivion but are completely silent when other characters do something just as bad if not worse (Adrien, Lila, and Chloe).

The writers are a disappointment and the fandom is no better.

🔥🔥

So true!

The writers often make fun of Marinette's anxiety and treat her like shit but many people in this fandom still drag Marinette for being a "Mary Sue" while completely ignoring the biggest Gary Stu right there (Adrien). The same is for Alya and Kagami, and the fandom's misogyny and racism really shows there.

#anon #thanks for the ask #marinette deserves better #adrien salt #ml writer salt #ml salt #ml misogyny #ml racism #ml fandom salt

[mariproducer]

It's annoying that Chat Noir was portrayed as mortally dangerous after being hit by Dark Cupid, while (after being hit by Psychomedian) Ladybug was presented more as "child with car-throwing tantrum" than genuine danger (because both Chat Noir and Psychomedian were practically effortlessly dodging both her strikes and cars thrown by her)

You know... this thought has never crossed my mind and now I can't stop thinking about it... says a lot about the writers' mindscape tbh

#ask #anon #ml misogyny #technically lol #i feel like this gets worse if u believe that the episode psychomedian was originally pitched as an episode in an earlier season #^don't quote me on that though i forgot where i read that #anyway they really should've let lb wreck some havoc if she got possessed by akuma powers more

[punkeropercyjackson]

"Felix deserved better!!!"Better than what?He showed up,was rude asf to everyone he interacted with including his own cousin,gaslit people and molested a chinese girl and faced zero consequences for any of it.Felix isn't a 'poor little boy with wasted potential🥺',he's an entitled corrupted dickhead and a future r///apist in the making and it's not his first victim's fault y'all are such pathetic losers that's the only kind of male character you're attracted to or find stanable instead of the inifinitely better boys of color in the cast and pretend Alya is worse than him by virtue of being black

#anti felix #adrien agreste #marinette dupain-cheng #ml #felix salt #antifelinette #ml salt #miraculous ladybug #anti miraculous ladybug #marinette deserves better #marinette sugar #nino lahiffe #max kante #le chien kim #sa cw #child molestation cw #abuse cw #misogyny cw #racism cw #white favoritism #ml fandom salt #alya cesaire #alya sugar #alya deserves better #alyanette #pro alyanette #summerposting

[xhanisai]

ML fandom when Marinette/Ladybug calls Chat Noir by cute nicknames and gets angry and upset when he's hurt and when she laughs at his jokes: *silence* ML fandom when Marinette/Ladybug doesn't reciprocate Chat Noir's romantic feelings in the beginning: SHE IS A HORRIBLE PERSON!!!! SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIM!!! SCREEEEEEEE!!!!!

#ml fandom salt #look i know it's not most of us (or I hope so lol) #but the lack of critical thinking and paying actual attention to the show is unreal from some of you lot #MANY OF YOU LOT #I SEE YOU ALL #it's also misogyny all over again #when a guy doesn't reciprocate the girl's feelings and acts all cold and mean with her it's somehow 'hot' #but when a girl gently lets down her best friend she's suddenly a bitch???? #like obviously we know that ladybug's feelings for chat noir are strong regardless and turned out to be romantic in the future seasons #BUT YOOO THE WAY SOME OF YOU ACT IN THE FANDOM ABOUT IT????? #THIS IS COMING FROM A LADYNOIR SHIPPER BTW #anyways chat noir would hate you all and protect his lady <3