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Delaying the Inevitable - Chapter 19: Revelations

Book: Open Heart 3 (Post Series)

Pairing: Ethan Ramsey x F!MC Tobias Carrick x F!MC

Rating: Chapter: Teen

Summary: Extended Series WIP – Love Triangle. In this chapter: Floria discourages Ethan from overstepping with Casey; livid, Ethan confronts Tobias and, later, Casey; Naveen and Alan pair up; preparations are underway for Thanksgiving.

Category: Extended Series (WIP)

Warnings: Drinking, language

A/N: Well, I managed to get a chapter out with the new job in place. This is an accomplishment. 😊 Those who have stuck around for 18 chapters know, brevity is not my strong suit. So, despite the length of this chapter, it is shorter than I intended for it to be. I think the model of shorter (relative) chapters will begin, so the series may go on a little longer. This is subject to change as I find a new groove.

A/N 2: As of now, releases will take place on Saturday or Sunday. Stay posted.

A/N 3: A reminder, it’s a triangle folks. To all those DMing me that they can’t believe she is considering Tobias… I will reiterate … it’s a triangle folks

A/N 4: The enthusiasm for this series continues to astound me. Knowing this story is enjoyed by so many continues to blow my mind… a sincere thank you to each of you.

A/N 5: Last, but not least, a big thank you to my LLS @ka for pre-reading this chapter. Seriously, your support, your help, and your friendship have been one of the best things to come from this fandom! And girl, what they’ve got us doing next…. Lol <3 love you, little sis!

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“Si, I’m so glad you took the walk to Derry’s with me! I miss you so much. Plus, it’s November, Boston will be covered with snow within the next 20 minutes, and we will be stuck inside until the spring thaw.”

“Casey, I think you may be exaggerating just a bit. Except about the missing part. There is no exaggeration there,” Sienna smiled.

“Really? Even though I’ve been abusing you, using you as my unpaid therapist every night. You still miss me?”

“Of course! I miss you even more now.”

“Awwww,” Casey squealed as the two friends stopped in their tracks to hug one another.

“Hey! Watch what you’re doing!” a pedestrian hollered as he nearly crashed into them.

“Relax!” Sienna yelled back, “This is what dolphins do! Deal with it!”

“It is what?” Casey laughed, as the bewildered man stalked off.

“I don’t know, we were squealing… it sounded good in my head. I’ll never see him again, what do I care.”

“Why don’t you take out that coffee and start drinking it, Sienna,” Casey laughed as they walked toward the hospital entrance, “You’re a little off your game!”

They were about to enter the lobby when Casey heard a voice calling from the street.

“Casey! Case! Wait up!”

They both turned to see Tobias running between cars that were stopped at a red light making his way toward them. He jogged up and stood in front of Casey.

“Hey,” he said, his eyes as bright as his smile.

“Hey,” she replied, cheeks slightly flushed.

Sienna looked between the two of them several times with a knowing smirk on her face before interjecting.

“Hello to you too, Tobias. Lovely seeing you.”

“Oh, sorry, Si. I didn’t see you there. I…”

“I get it. I’m short.”

Tobias chuckled, “Look I won’t keep you two. Case, I just wanted to let you know that I’m driving into Charlestown to do grocery shopping after work. Did you want to come along?”

“Oh, yeah, I should. I want to get stuff for Thanksgiving.”

“Your Mom is aware that I’m not letting you actually cook anything, right?” He teased.

“There is no need to be a wise ass, Tobias Carrick! I am actually making some of the food.”

“Oh, God, no! What are you making, Casey?” Sienna asked, clearly horrified.

Tobias burst out laughing.

“It’s OK, Si. I’m limiting her to the tomato and mozzarella salad. I don’t think she can do much damage there.”

Sienna gasped. “You think… she can’t… are you aware that Rose is an Italian mother, Tobias!? Please tell me that you never said those words to her! Further, there is most certainly a way to screw it up and… I’m truly sorry Casey… but if there is a way to do it, Casey will find it!”

“Wow, thanks best friend! Thanks, roomie. I am so feeling so much love from you two right now.”

“It’s OK, Sweetheart. We all love you, just… not for your cooking abilities.”

“I mean if we come right down to it, it’s actually fair. You’re pretty much perfect otherwise, Case. God had to fuck you up somehow.”

“Sienna, you’re spending too much time with Jackie, without my supervision… and it shows.”

Sienna giggled and jumped up to give Casey a kiss on the cheek.

“I love you, bestie!”

“Do you know if you’re joining us yet, Si,” Tobias asked.

“Nope. But my schedule is out tomorrow. I’ll let you know as soon as I do.”

Casey was still shooting a defiant smirk in Tobias’s direction.

Catching her, he shook his head, “Truce dear, truce.”

“I’m only accepting it because you are driving and sparing me eight hours from hell on Amtrak.”

“Hey, I use what I can to my advantage,” he winked. “Look, I’ve got to fly, I have a consult with Reynolds in fifteen. Case, I’ll pick you up at the side entrance at six?”

“Sure, see you then.”

“Bye T!” Sienna yelled as he walked away, watching Casey keeping her eyes locked on him until he was out of sight.

Sienna cleared her throat.

“What?”

“Oh, nothing. Just a tickle,” she grinned. “So, have you given any more thought to what we have been talking about?”

“What, about Tobias?”

“No, Casey. About why Taylor Swift was inspired to write Folklore! Of course, about Tobias!”

“Well, what’s to say? I think I feel something but, I need to take some time. I don’t want to do anything that would harm our friendship, you know?”

“That makes perfect sense, but what are you afraid of?”

“Well, that he doesn’t feel the same about me, for starters.”

Sienna chortled.

“Si, what is it?”

“Casey, how are you so smart, yet…”

“What!?”

“What time is it, Casey?”

“8:30.”

“What time did you leave the apartment?”

“7:30.”

“When is your diagnostic team meeting?”

“At 9:30, what’s your point?”

“How many times do you think you and Tobias will cross paths at work today? I mean, before 6:00 PM grocery shopping, that is?”

Casey folded her arms across her chest and looked down at her friend.

“Your point, Sienna?”

“Oh, nothing. It’s just that men with zero interest in someone are known for running between cars on the street to catch up with someone they saw just an hour ago, and who they will see in another hour, to ask a question that could have easily been handled in a 2-second text. That’s all.”

“Si, when did you become so snarky.”

“All the unsupervised time with Jackie, of course. But, regardless, what kind of a best friend would I be if I didn’t point out the obvious.”

“Oh! Speaking of the obvious, if you end up joining us for Thanksgiving, what are you bringing? Mamma Rose asked me to text her before her big grocery order today, and she’ll have my head if I don’t respond.”

“Take that off your to-do list. I am in contact with Rose on my own, Casey. Do you seriously think we’d leave this to you? If I can go, I told her I’d make the Braciole. I’ll take that off of her hands this year.”

“Wait! She gave you her Braciole recipe, and she won’t give it to me!?”

“Well, would you look at that I have, uhm… a thing… right now…. but don’t worry Casey,” she yelled fleeing into an elevator, “I’ll let you know as soon as I get my schedule. Bye!”

Casey shook her head exasperated.

I can learn how to make Braciole too! Well, maybe. I could try. If we notify the Boston Fire Department in advance. You know, it’s best left to Sienna.

The sounds of laughter coming from the diagnostic team office finally took Casey’s mind off of Braciole-gate. At least one voice wasn’t familiar. Ethan was seated at his desk, with Harper and Floria seated in the chairs in front of him.

“Oh my God, and then he called Naveen down, and in his bathrobe! I swear it’s the only time I ever saw the man curse! When he saw Ethan… oh! Good morning, Casey, I didn’t see you come in,” Harper smiled.

“Hi, Harper. It’s OK, you guys carry on. I’ll just wait at the table until our meeting starts.”

“You’re more than welcome to join us over here,” Ethan emphasized.

“Thanks, but I’m ok here,” she answered sheepishly.

She and Floria locked eyes as she turned away. Floria offered a faint smile.

“You know, what? I really need to get back to work anyway. Ethan, will you have those reports ready by 2:00?”

“Yes, if you don’t have them by 1:00, please send me a reminder.”

“Will do. Bye, Casey,” Floria said as she headed out the door.

Tobias entered just as she exited. He saw Harper and Ethan were still engaged in a friendly conversation, and Casey sitting at the conference table appearing glum. He quietly entered the room and slid into the seat next to her. He tilted his head and whispered in her direction.

“Hey, you doing ok there, kid?”

She lifted her head and smiled.

“Doing better now.”

Ethan, who had been surreptitiously watching their exchange from his desk, cleared his throat loudly.

“Casey, Tobias, why don’t you come sit up here. Our meeting is going to be extremely brief today.”

“Sure thing, boss,” Tobias answered as Casey silently stood.

“Hey, smile,” Tobias whispered. “After today we are on Thanksgiving recess.”

“You make it sound like we’re back in Kindergarten.”

“Kindergarten, Edenbrook… same thing really.”

She laughed and broke out into a bright smile.

“You’re not wrong,” she laughed, “So, team, let’s get this meeting over with, shall we?”

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Floria looked at the clock in her office, 1:00 PM. She checked her inbox. No reports from Ethan. She e-mailed him a reminder, as promised, and fifteen minutes later he replied with a simple, “Come here.”

“You couldn’t figure it out, could you?” Floria smiled as she sauntered into his office.

“Negative. These things have never been my forte. I didn’t exactly go to med school to learn to run reports.”

“But it’s still part of the job. You never seemed to have any problems with them before, what’s with your sudden regression?”

Ethan sat back in his chair thoughtfully.

“Casey used to run them with me.”

“With you, or for you?”

He shot her a look.

“This is why we should always teach, and never do,” she chided. “Relax, I’ll help you.”

She slid next to Ethan and began showing him how to run the report.

“Ethan, it may be none of my business but, you’re still on the same team. Why didn’t you ask her for help? Clearly, anyone’s company must be better than mine,” she laughed.

“Normally, I’d agree,” he said snarkily, but then smiled when Floria glared at him. “But right now, I think it’s best that I maintain my distance from her as much as I can.”

“She looked pretty miserable when I was in here this morning,” she paused as she completed entering the data required for the report. “Can I offer you some advice, Ethan?”

“I suppose if I say no you will continue anyway.”

“You always were observant,” she mocked. “Ethan, try to work things out so you could at least be friends. I mean, you work together and, take it for someone who has handled past breakups…”

He looked up at her and she lowered her eyes, “… atrociously in the past. There is a better way.”

“Well, Casey has made it abundantly clear that she is not ready to be anything more than what we are now.…”

“Which is?”

“Which is what you saw this morning.”

“Well, I’m sorry to see that,” she said standing to leave, “the reports take about thirty minutes to run when you see them in the queue just…”

“Floria, why don’t you sit down.”

She eyed him suspiciously. “Why?”

“I could use the company,” he grinned with almost enough sincerity that Floria didn’t look for an alternative motive.

“Uhm, OK. You usually aren’t too welcoming; do you have inside information that I’m dying or something?”

“It was the Napoleon. You know I can be bribed with my sweet tooth.”

“Had I known that I would have bought you a box full on my first day at Edenbrook. That could have saved us months of discomfort.”

“Eh, discomfort is underrated. Everyone wants life tied up in a pretty little bundle, and it doesn’t work that way,” Ethan said eyeing the reports. “Learning to be comfortable with discomfort, it’s not such a bad thing.”

“Is that what we’re doing right now?”

“Perhaps,” he said handing her a spreadsheet. “Is this all the data you need?”

“Yes, but there is a field missing. Employee zip codes are needed for payroll data. But don’t worry, I’ll extract them from an existing report. So, there is no need to…”

“That’s right!”

“What’s right?”

“I forgot… have access to my team’s employee records! I haven’t gone into that system in years. How do I get in?”

“You’re that excited about employee zip codes, Ethan?”

“I am assuming there would be other address data, not just zip codes, am I correct?”

“Yes, but… wait…” she crossed her arms, “Ethan, what are you looking for?”

He grimaced, “I just want to know where Casey is staying.”

“Why?”

“Because she won’t tell me, and I want to know.”

“Not a good reason. Ethan, you should really reconsider this, I don’t think it’s a good…,”

“I’m not going to stalk her. I’m not sending her roses. I’ll just feel better if I know.” He began flinging papers around his desk, “I know I have instructions written down somewhere… I will figure it out, Floria, you can just save me time and effort.”

“And that delay may help you come to your senses. Listen to yourself, Ethan! She’s not wrong, where she lives is no longer your business. Besides, if you do this, you will be ruining any chance of….”

“Floria, there is no chance of, understood? We’re in the past.”

“Ethan, you’re full of shit! Why do you care where she lives if she is truly in your past? I mean, I am truly in your past; I don’t see you breaking into systems to find out where I live.”

“I just want to know… I want to know she is someplace safe.”

“Ethan, you do know that. She shows up to work every day! She’s rested, she’s dressed, she’s eating. She’s a grown woman! One that you broke up with and you lost any claim. I have to side with her here, you don’t have the….”

“You can stop now, Floria… I just got in.”

Floria stood up and moved to turn the computer screen toward her.

“Ethan no,” she said blocking the screen, “you don’t have to do this….”

Ethan had completely tuned her out and turned the screen back toward him.

“Wait a second… One Franklin Street. One Franklin… Isn’t that the Millennium Tower?”

“Ethan, I’m new to Boston, you’re asking the wrong person.”

He plugged the data into Google.

“It is the Millennium Tower.”

“OK, so she’s living in Millennium Tower. How is your life any different than it was three minutes ago?”

His fist slammed into his desk, startling Floria.

“Jesus, Ramsey, are you trying to give me a heart attack?”

“You knew.”

“What?”

“You knew, that’s why you were trying to stop me?”

“Ethan, what are you talking about.”

“She’s on the 55th floor.”

“So, she has a good view?”

“She has more than a goddamned good view.”

“I’m not following.”

“She also has Tobias,” he said as his face turned red, “She’s living with Tobias.”

Floria raised her eyebrows.

“Look, I’m new to town, but even I know that’s a huge building. It doesn’t mean that…”

“It’s the 55th floor, what are the chances,” he said furiously typing before pushing his chair back in disgust. “It’s the same unit. The same goddamn unit. She’s living with fucking Tobias!! Son of a bitch!”

“Ethan, take a deep breath, I know… I mean, they’re good friends so this doesn’t… “

“You thought they were dating, remember?”

“Well, I mean, they have a certain rapport between them, but that doesn’t mean any… wait, stop. Even if she were, which for the record I don’t see, but honestly, it’s none of your business.”

“Floria, it’s time for you to leave.”

“Excuse me?” she said snidely, but one look at his angry stare and she gathered her things.

“Ethan, please use your head.”

“I am. Now go.”

He took out his phone and furiously sent Tobias a text.

He inhaled deeply and sat back in his chair.

She’s been there this whole time, hasn’t she? This whole time. But she never told me. HE never told me. Why? Why the hell wouldn’t he tell me at least on the side. Just to let me know she was OK?

Waiting only made things worse as his mind began to wander. This morning at the conference table:

“Hey, you doing ok there, kid?”

“Doing better now.”

How had she gone from being so down to a bright smile so quickly? He barely said hello? And the looks on their faces. There can’t be…

She’s sitting at their booth in Donahue’s, she is wearing a Johns Hopkins sweatshirt, it wasn’t his… it had to be? But she didn’t heave her clothes yet… because you threw her out, a small voice said, but he silenced it… but the day he joined them in the booth, the two of them, looking at photos on her phone… was there more to it?

His mind went back further, to when they were together:

… Baby, I’m meeting T at the Seaport for lunch, I’ll be home by 5:00.

… there is no need to worry, Hun, T walked me home. I’m safe as could be.

The party after the board exams:

“Well, we may have to move, I don’t think we will all fit here?”

“No need!” Tobias yelled, “It is time to get out there and show the DJ how it is done.”

“Oh my God, YES! I have been dying to dance! Ethan, join us?”

“Oh, no! You go dance the night away!”

“Suit yourself!” She grabbed Tobias’s hand and they were off.

The day that he and Tobias had lunch together at Sorellina’s:

“I figured if my girlfriend considers you one of her “besties”, as she would put it, and we were once “besties” too, I thought it would be wise for us to try to improve our relationship.”

“Well, I don’t disagree; but are you sure it’s not a keep friends close and your enemies closer thing?”

Could they be? Could they have been? He seriously doubted Casey was involved while they were together, but what were they now? What had Tobias been feeling then, did…. If he laid a goddamn hand on her so help me God….

Ethan’s thoughts were interrupted.

“Hey, Boss, what’s going on, sounds like we have a fire to put out.”

“Close the door Tobias and lock it.”

Tobias eyed him suspiciously but remained calm as he returned to the door and snapped the lock shut. He returned to Ethan’s desk, leaning against the wall to talk to him.

Ethan’s rested his head in his hands, running them through his hair before exhaling loudly.

“When did Casey move in with you?”

“Excuse me?”

“Don’t play stupid with me Tobias,” he lifted his head and stared him in the eyes, “I know she is there. I want to know for how long, and I want to know why you never said a word about it to me.”

Tobias’s nonchalant reaction only served to fuel Ethan’s rage.

“She’s been staying with me since she needed a place to live. I never said anything because it wasn’t my place to. She asked me not to, and I gave her my word. I will always honor my word to her.”

“Your loyalty to Casey is commendable. Perhaps it would have been nice if you had some to me as well.”

“Then perhaps you can point out where I have been disloyal to you.”

“How about you allowed my girlfriend into your home and neglected to inform me.”

Tobias half smiled, “Your girlfriend. Casey ended up under my roof precisely because you freed her from that role. She had no place to call home, Ethan, and she needed a place to stay. Neither she nor I needed to clear that with anyone. Especially not with you given the circumstances.”

Ethan chuckled menacingly. “The more things change, huh Tobias?”

“What is that supposed to mean?”

“What a damn fool! He’s her good friend! I should get to know him again! He’s not a bad guy! I tried. I tried, Tobias, and all the while…”

“Ethan, stop right there. Don’t go down a road you don’t want to travel on. Casey is staying with me because she needed a roof. She is there because she is my friend and she is important to me, but there is nothing more than that between us. So don’t go there.”

“Really? Care to explain her wearing your Hopkins’s shirt at Donahues?”

“Sure. Her clothes were still at your place. Would you have preferred she show up naked?”

Ethan stood up and moved to the window, his jaw clenched.

“Why is she always sitting next to you, Tobias? You’re not her only friend. Always smiling. Even this morning, glum as could be until her good buddy Tobias strolled in, then her face was aglow. Am I imagining things?

Tobias’s face began to twitch. Oh, the shit he could throw in Ethan’s face right now. But he didn’t want to go there. He took a breath and composed himself, but his patience was wearing thin.

“Ethan. She is my friend. And if you think I’m going to apologize for making her smile, well, you’ll be waiting for a while.”

“It all makes sense, now. That lunch, remember when I wanted to try to rekindle our friendship, ‘keep your enemies closer, now it all makes sense…”

“Ethan, stop the bullshit already! Casey and I have been tight since I started at Edenbrook and she …”

“…and she is living with you.”

“Because she had no place to go!”

“Sienna? Jackie? Aurora? Even Bryce? It had to be you, right? Her good ol “T”. Only you.”

“Well, if you ever chose to kick the love of your life to the curb again, you may want to give a little more consideration to the day you chose to do it on. Maybe the very day her friends were moving into their new place, and she was moving in with you, wasn’t the best decision you ever made, now was it?.”

“Spare me! How long did you wait?”

“What?”

“How long did you wait to jump in? Was it a day, a week, two? Is this nothing more than a game to you? If you think I’m going to sit back and watch you use Casey as a pawn in this sick competition between us…”

“What competition, Ethan? What competition? When is the last time I competed with you? I’ve grown up! I’m not the same asshole I used to be. You’re my boss, for Christ’s sake, my boss! Would I work for you if I was still trying to one-up you? I’ve told you, you’re the better doctor. I’ve worked my ass off to rebuild our friendship, do you think that’s a way of launching some competition? I literally begged you to work things out with Casey. I showed up at your door in the middle of the night, begging you! I suppose that’s how I was trying to “jump in” on her. And, Bro, even if there were a competition, I would never use Casey, never!”

“Like hell you wouldn’t. How happy were you? How happy were you when she called you crying? Saying I left her? That was the perfect opportunity, wasn’t it? Do you think I’m stupid? Maybe I was back then, but I’m not anymore. The way you looked at her, the way you danced with her, with me the damn fool watching, so happy that you two were such good friends…”

“…and that’s all we were Ethan.”

“I WASN’T DONE!! You couldn’t wait! You had to have her because she was mine. I should have expected this of you all along. Failing to realize that you would stoop so low, that is all on me. But Jesus! Casey? I thought better of her! How fucking long did she wait before she jumping into your bed?”

Tobias felt himself begin to tremble, the restraints inside of him beginning to snap. He saw red. He jumped to his feet and in a moment he was in Ethan’s face.

“OK, it’s time for you to watch your fucking mouth. If you want to talk shit about me, make bullshit up in your head and believe it? Have at it, I can’t stop you and frankly, with who you’ve become, it’s not even worth my effort to try! But don’t you dare talk about Casey like that! Don’t you dare! All that woman ever did is love you, she loved you like no one else ever saw fit to. She was the best thing that ever happened to you, and you reciprocated by tossing her on the street. And for what? For the grave sin of trying to teach Ethan Ramsey that it’s OK to love? You fucked up, and you know you fucked up. Want confirmation? Ask Naveen, Harper, I’m sure your father… they all tried to tell you, I tried to tell you, but you only listen to the damn voices in your head. So don’t turn this on me, and don’t you dare turn this on Casey. You already hurt her enough!”

“I’m not turning this on anyone. Yes, we broke up…”

“No… you broke up with her… get it right!”

“We broke up Tobias, yes, I called it off. But you know how much she mattered to me! She wasn’t some woman I picked up at a bar, I loved her. You, you’re supposed to… How long after she left my apartment was she sitting in yours? How comfortable was she there? How easy was it for her to say out with the old and in with the new because good old Tobias was waiting in the wings? If you were her friend, never mind mine, you would never have done that! You would have…”

“OK ENOUGH! Enough! You loved her? She meant something to you? Some way you have of showing it! How long do we all need to be subjected to this poor, pathetic little Ethan act? How long do we walk on eggshells to keep the truth from you? Well, I’m done! You cared about her? Do you think she called me that night and asked me to come get her? Like I was the only person in the world she could trust? I wish it had played out like that because that’s a lot prettier than the reality. I think it’s time you get a little education. Do you want to know how I found her? I found her on the ground! On the goddamn ground shivering cold, crying, she didn’t even know where she was. A stranger was standing over, a stranger! Because she knew it wasn’t safe for her to be alone in that condition. But you, the almighty Ethan Ramsey, the man who claimed to love her, you let her walk out of your door like that. Then you couldn’t even be bothered to check if she were dead or alive for six hours! For six hours! But I’m the bad guy? You want to see who the bad guy is in this situation, Ethan? Find a fucking mirror!”

Seething, Tobias headed toward the door.

“Tobias wait! TOBIAS!!!”

Tobias turned around slowly, biting his lips, his eyes on fire.

“Your just her friend? That’s all it is? Then look me in the eyes and tell me you don’t love her.”

Tobias stood in place, not a muscle moving. He owed no explanation, but he would never lie about what he felt for Casey.

“She is living in my condo, Ethan. But we are not together. Not that it would be any of your goddamned business if we were.”

“I didn’t ask that. I asked you to tell me that you don’t love her, tell me you don’t want her.”

“How could I not? Tell me, that? How could I not? Casey is … she’s perfect … she’s brilliant and beautiful, and kind, she is funny, and she loves with all she has and asks for almost nothing in return… who wouldn’t love her? Tell me, Ethan, who would be stupid enough to turn her away? Huh? I begged you, I begged you to get the help you need, to work things out with her, because I care about the two of you. I did it out of respect and out of love, but every day I become more grateful that you didn’t take my advice. Because the only thing you and I are beginning to agree on is that you never deserved her in the first place. If Casey were mine,” he stopped and took a deep breath before he continued, “If she were mine… I’d treat her like the most precious thing in this world because she is! So yeah, I love her. But she has no idea because even now, even when I could have taken advantage one hundred times over, I’ve never acted on it. And you know why? Because I love her that much!”

Ethan shook his head and smirked, the urge to punch Tobias suppressed only by the fact that they were in Edednbrook.

“Are you foolish enough to think that she will ever love you the way she loved me?”

“I don’t profess to know what Casey will do. I don’t get to speak for her. But I’ll tell you this, I would love her more than you ever could. I already do.”

Both men turned as they heard a key enter the door and Naveen stamped into the room.

“What is the meaning of this! What is going on in here! I can hear you two all the way down the hall, and so can everyone else!”

“Why don’t you ask the golden boy here?” Tobias said. “Casey has been staying at my apartment., Naveen. He put her on the street, and I gave her a place to stay. But he’s still untouchable and I’m still the piece of trash and, frankly, I’m tired of it.”

“Tobias, I will need to speak with you both about this after things calm down. But for now, why don’t you go, I need to address this with Dr. Ramsey.”

“With pleasure.”

“And Tobias?”

“Yes?”

“Thank you for looking after Casey.”

“No one ever needs to tank me for caring for her.”

Ethan sunk back into his chair, looking away from his mentor

“Ethan, this has gone entirely too far and it has to stop.”

“She’s living with him Naveen! Living with him!”

“Son,” Naveen said with a soft, steady voice, “where Casey lives stopped being your concern the day you left her. You know that’s true. So, stop it. It might hurt to hear that, but you know I am right.”

“She just dismissed me and replaced me, like I meant nothing to her.”

“Ethan, she never dismissed you. You dismissed her. You can’t tell someone to leave and then get mad at them when they do. Where do you think she’d be right now if you hadn’t behaved in the abhorrent way that you did? She’d be with you. There is no doubt.”

The men sat in momentary silence before Naveen spoke.

“I know you’re supposed to see Alan. I want you to leave tonight, I’m putting you on leave for a week. Go, spend Thanksgiving with your father. Talk to him and come back with a new perspective because, this is still a hospital, and I can’t have you behaving like this no matter how much I love you.”

“You can’t give me off, Tobias and Casey are already off... funny how that worked out… “

“Ethan stop! Stop! Harper and I will cover the cases. I’m not requesting you take time off; I’m demanding it. If I don’t see immediate improvement, I am going to order you into therapy. Do you understand? This isn’t only my love for you speaking, it’s also my obligation to the wellbeing of the hospital. Now, I want you to gather your things and go. Go home, call Alan, head down there. It’s not a request. Go.”

“Naveen, I don’t…”

“GO!”

Ethan never broke eye contact as he pushed his chair back and stood from his desk, but once he fixed his eyes on the door, he never looked at Naveen again. He gritted his teeth as he exited.

“I’ll text you when I’m in Providence,” he said before stammering out into the hall.

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Tobias had stormed out of the office after Naveen’s arrival. Every single eye on the floor turned to stare at him. He shook his head as he smirked. Once again, everyone saw big, bad Tobias. He was certain that he'd be turned into the villain that stole Casey from Ethan. He told himself that he didn’t really give a shit, but deep inside, he knew he did.

He barged into an empty on-call room, promptly kicking a trash can across the floor. He considered punching the wall. Oh, God, how he wanted to punch the wall. But he closed his eyes and focused instead. Everyone was waiting to see the old Tobias Carrick show up, and he was now intent to show them that he no longer existed. Once he gathered himself, he grabbed his phone, he needed to warn Casey.

He dialed her phone.

Ring.

No answer.

He stepped out into the hallway just as Jackie was passing by.

“Hey, T, what’s going on? I heard that….”

“Not now, Jackie. Have you seen Casey?”

“No. Why?”

“I don’t think she has her phone on her. I’m going to look for her, but if you should see her, ask her to call me, OK?”

“OK, but can you…” she didn’t finish her sentence before Tobias was gone.

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Ethan had every intention of leaving the hospital. Especially when he left the office to find all eyes on him. It was uncomfortable, but he knew just what stares to throw in order to make people scatter, employees, guests, and patients alike. He glowered as he headed toward the stairwell. A young volunteer walked past him and Ethan recalled a conversation he overheard between the young woman and Casey have earlier today. Casey had mentioned that she would try to stop in on an arts and crafts workshop in the community room at some point that afternoon. With that in mind, he changed his direction.

Peering into the glass window on the door, he spotted Casey. She was smiling and leaning over an elderly patient’s wheelchair, helping her place her project to place in a canvas bag. The bright smile on her face dissipated the moment she looked up and saw him staring at her. As the patients flooded out into the hallway, he entered the room. Casey did her best to ignore him, gathering the remaining supplies, clearly eager to exit.

He walked toward her, blocking her from entering the closet she was trying to reach.

“Ethan, I have to get to these into the…”

“This won’t take long,” he said somberly.

Her shoulders slumped in defeat and her face sank. She looked pitiful, the antithesis of who she was just moments before as she reveled in the joy of her patients. She turned her eyes toward the floor as she waited for Ethan to speak.

“You’re living with Carrick?” he asked accusatorily.

Casey’s downcast eyes bulged open, and her demeanor changed in an instant. Lifting herself from her shoulders up, she stood tall, her eyes fixed on him.

“Yes,” she said clearly, “I am.”

Ethan snorted with disgust.

“Not even a trace of remorse. Not an attempt at denial.”

“Remorse? Denial? Why would either of those things apply to me?”

“Because you’re living with Carrick!”

“Where I live or what I do with my life stopped being your concern the moment you threw me away like I was nothing.”

“I offered to help you! I told you could stay…”

Casey raised her voice and defiantly spoke over him.

“You know what, save it, Ethan! Even you know how ridiculous that sounds. You can’t try to destroy someone and then offer to be their savior.”

“So instead, you ran to my rival?”

“I didn’t run to anyone. Besides, when did he become your rival again? I must have missed that memo.”

Ethan hadn’t heard a word she said. His eyes were dark, he was locked into a world of his own.

“Are you sleeping with him?” he asked pointedly.

“Excuse me?”

“Are you sleeping with him? It’s a simple question, yes or no answer.”

“I’m picking the third choice. It’s none of your fucking business.”

“I swear to God, Casey! I never thought you would…. we have been apart, what….”

“TWO MONTHS. We’ve been apart for two months, Ethan. Let me ask you, how long am I supposed to sit around mourning the man that abandoned me? For doing what? Did I betray you? Cheat on you? Deny you? All I ever did was love you! So, how long am I supposed to wait?”

“I don’t know, but I thought it would be more than fifteen minutes after you left my apartment.”

Casey smiled sardonically.

“You’re apartment. Hmmm… I seem to recall you evicting me from it about fifteen minutes before it was to be our apartment.”

She walked toward Ethan, her eyes as cold as ice.

“Fifteen minutes. Let me see, if I remember correctly, I was sitting on the floor in front of the elevators crying at that point. Praying that you would come to your senses and come after me. I sat there staring at the door, waiting for you to come and get me for over a half-hour, Ethan. Shielding my face so the neighbors wouldn’t see me. Thirty minutes I waited, but you never came. But you think I was what, crawling into Tobias’s bed,” she chuckled wryly. “Dear God, did you ever even know me at all?”

She shook her head and walked away, but turned around as the anger inside her began to rise. How dare he?

“For the record, even if I had moved on fifteen minutes later, I still wouldn’t have had to explain it to you. I seem to remember someone saying I needed to get over them because they were already over me. Remember those words, Ethan? Because I sure do. They were the last words you said to me before you tossed me out like I never meant a thing to you. Three years. Three years of my life I gave to you. Being your friend, your confidant, your lover, no matter how much you denied me. You were my everything. I would have died for you, Ethan. But do you know what you are to me now? You’re my co-worker. You are nothing more, and that is by your design. This is how you wanted it, well, congratulations, you have it! So don’t you dare get angry at me for what you have done. If you think that my love life, or lack thereof, is any of your goddamn business, you are sorely mistaken. If I wanted to fuck Tobias, the new guy in IT, and every goddamn member of the Boston Red Sox, that's my business and it will never be yours again. Now if you will excuse me, I have work to do.”

Casey walked brusquely to the door just as Naveen entered the room. He smiled tenderly at Casey, honestly happy to see defiance, more than sadness, in her eyes.

“Casey, are you, OK dear.”

“I am,” she said lifting her chin.

“Good. I want you to go home for the day.”

“But, why, I…”

“Casey, I insist. Don’t worry, I’ll get coverage for all of your patients, please, just go. Come back after the holiday, you deserve the time.”

She touched Naveen’s hand tenderly, “Thank you, Naveen, I think I’ll take you up on that.”

She turned over her shoulder and glared at Ethan before turning on her heel and leaving the room.

“Ethan, I did not tell you to leave for you to come down here and harass Casey. Frankly, you have done enough to hurt her already.”

“Naveen, she… he loves her! The two of them…”

“Ethan! I don’t know what’s happening between the two of them, and neither do you. But no matter what it is, it’s none of your business! And, if they are something, you have no one to blame but yourself. You can’t rid yourself of her and then expect her to stay loyal to you! Do you not see how far gone you are? Ethan, please! Go see your father, spend time away, when you come back, I want to see you in my office before you start. This has gone on long enough and it stops now.”

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Casey walked down the hall quickly, she didn’t think anyone other than Naveen had overheard her conversation with Ethan, but she did not want to take any chances. She slipped her hand into her pocket, eager to text Tobias and warn him. That’s when she realized she was without her phone. She headed to her locker, hoping she had left it there. Running into the locker room, she sprung her door open and there it was, aglow with text messages from Tobias, Sienna, Bryce, Raf, Jackie… it was good to know the news was all over the hospital. She slunk to the bench in the empty room and placed her head in her hands.

Just then, Tobias came running into the doorway. He turned his head and spotted her sitting dejectedly on the bench several yards away.

“Casey?” he whispered as he made his way to her.

Her eyes sprung up at the sound of his voice and she wrapped her arms around him when he sat next to her. Feeling safe, she began to gently cry.

“It’s OK,” he whispered, rubbing her back, “It’s OK, baby, let it out.”

“He has no right,” she sniffled, “no right to make me feel bad.”

“No, he doesn’t,” he pulled back from the hug and looked at her directly, “so do you?”

“No,” she answered defiantly, “I don’t. I have no reason to be.”

“Damn straight,” Tobias smiled.

“Please, can we go home?”

“You got it, kid, let’s go.”

“Wait!” She said, pulling him back down to the bench. “Can I have one more hug first?”

“I always carry a few extra in case you need them,” he smiled, “so why not?”

The two of them remained on the bench for several minutes, collapsed into each other’s arms. He smiled. He loved her, he wanted so much more, but he was happy to be where he was. She smiled. She was falling for him, she hoped one day there could be more, but she was happy to be where she was.

He was the first to pull free.

“I guess we are blowing the grocery store off then?”

She smiled, “I mean, we could just head to Philly early and do it there. It’s not like my Mom would be unhappy having… well, correction… I’m sure she’d be thrilled to have you join her in the kitchen. Me… she’d probably send me to clean the gutters or something.”

Tobias laughed, “I’ll leave it up to you.”

“Let’s just go home. I’m exhausted.”

“Then I have my marching orders, let’s go,” he said, extending his arm. Casey grabbed on to it and they walked out together.

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Ethan had barely sat in his car before his phone started ringing. He looked at it and rolled his eyes. Clearly, Naveen already made the call.

“Hi, Dad.”

“Hello, Son, I…”

“Let me guess, you got a call from Naveen, and he said…”

“He said you’re on your way down here now, I hope he was correct.”

“Well, I’m sort of sitting in the parking lot at work. I wouldn’t consider that on my way down just yet.”

“Then you have two options. Go home and get your things, and begin heading down here right now. Or, I will gather my things and I will be at your condo in just over an hour. Take your pick, Ethan.”

He sighed.

“I should be on the road to your house within the hour, is that acceptable?”

“Yes, as long as you text when you’re leaving.”

“Deal.”

“Son, I’m glad we will get to spend the holiday together, but you should know. We are not evading things on this visit, we will be having some serious talks.”

“Understood. That’s fine, Dad. I love you.”

“I love you too son, now, get going before it gets late.”

“Will do, I’ll text you when I’m leaving Boston.”

Ethan pushed back into his headrest and closed his eyes. He wasn’t looking forward to the introspection. He wasn’t looking forward to Naveen ordering therapy, but he really didn’t see an out. He wasn’t looking forward to any of it, but he finally accepted that it was necessary, whether he wanted it or not.

He closed his eyes and waited until he heard silence, then he pulled his car out and began driving home. It was time.

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residentevil-simp · 3 years

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I'd love an RE mashup (maybe 1 for just RE8 & 1 for all 8). I don't give out my name or exact age for privacy reasons but I'm 20+. 4'11. She/her. Aro(maybe bi)/Ace. I love writing, reading, watercolor painting and listening to music mostly metal--symphonic and folk, opera, goth rock, & witch house. I'm a daydreamer which leads to absent mindedness. I don't take very many things seriously & have a dark sense of humor. I'm very stubborn & picky. I am a creature of habit. I really love bats. (1/2)

(2/2) I try to be open minded and approachable. But also I'm pretty impulsive. I prefer to be by myself and I'm very socially awkward. But people tell me that I'm really good at talking to people??? And people just talk to me and I let it happen lol. Love me some memes. I can't tell if I'm an optimist or a pessimist tbh. I'm a go with the flow kind of person. Goth™, edgelord, probably kinda cringe tbh.

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Of course! I hope you like it <3

For your RE8 matchup I went with...

Lady Dimitrescu!

Your openminded and approachable nature is a breath of fresh air among a castle filled with vampires. Lady Dimitrescu certainly is grateful for how approachable you are. After a mind-numbingly boring meeting with the other lords and Mother Miranda, Dimitrescu will rant to you about it, and though you may think you're a bit socially awkward, she's just happy you're there to listen.

Dimitrescu definitely took an interest in you very quickly. Being a creature of habit, much like yourself, Dimitrescu was hesitant about some of the new experiences you may bring. She was especially reluctant to listen to your music taste. It's not that she doesn't care about your interests; Dimitrescu just has a very... particular music taste. If you put on some opera however, you might just catch her humming along, even if she denies it.

Since you love reading as well, Dimitrescu will make sure the library constantly is stocked with new books. Dimitrescu will also pick out books that she think will suit your interest. Dimitrescu loves your watercolour paintings. No matter how big or small they are, she's displaying them on the castle walls in a signature gold frame.

The both of you have similar personalities, so you can get along rather well. Since you're both stubborn, there are times where you can't see eye to eye. (Literally can't see eye to eye since she's like 5ft taller than you too). However, you're able to overcome any disagreements rather quickly.

Now, as for your other RE matchup, I chose...

Leon S. Kennedy!

Ok, now hear me out on this one...

You and Leon are quite different people, but you do actually have some similarities. They say opposites attract and this is definitely the case with you two.

Leon is charismatic and extroverted while you're more introverted. if there's ever a time where you're feeling socially awkward, Leon has no problem taking over the conversation to help alleviate any tension.

Neither of you take things very seriously, always cracking jokes even in a rather dim situation. He definitely loves your music taste too. Leon will 100% blast your playlists in the car while he drives. While Leon doesn't really read much, and especially doesn't paint, he loves seeing you enjoy your hobbies. Any paintings you make will be hung up on the fridge whether you like it or not.

Leon is close to 6ft tall so expect him to use you as an arm rest at every chance he gets. He also gives you height-related nicknames.

Pipsqueak. Shorty. Ankle biter. Shortcake.

There's too many nicknames to even count. He never means them maliciously though, he just likes to joke around with you.

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chikabika · 3 years

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Fic ideas I have rattling around in my head that I need to write down somewhere but don’t want to commit a whole doc to all of them (this got longer than I thought):

1. Trans Childe Usopp meeting Kaya through her parents. As a child one of them is his primary care physician (which would make sense with such a small town) and he goes regularly for hormone blockers (trans boy hours).

2. The Hair One (self insert town) THIS incredible image which Usopp looks very attractive in gave me this idea:

Pre-TS: Something something he has to let his hair down because his bandana got damaged or lost. Next island they go to everyone’s like “wow he’s so attractive”. Maybe a comedically large group of girls following him around or something. Sanji’s dying because it’s extremely unfair (in his mind) for Usopp to get all the attention. Has a scene where Usopp is trying to buy a new bandana and the doorway of the shop is blocked by bodies.

I could turn this into an usolu fic where Luffy realizes his feelings once Sanji starts bringing up the idea of dating any of the people smitten over Usopp, but honestly I just want to make a whole town that’s a self insert of how I felt the first time I saw this image. Sorry to folks who don’t think this is a great look but I’m different.

3. The Long One (Luffy’s Response to Realizing Usopp has Feelings) Back before @ruskaina wrote the very cute impossible and self-imposed, they posted some excerpts and were asking for help. The following is my response and some bits from the resulting conversation with @bartolomeo-the-cannibal (natsu)

I think you could definitely go the route of Luffy not being flustered because he doesn’t realize why it affects Usopp so much/that Usopp’s actions have certain meaning. When it’s all fun and games you can go pretty far with friends for the lols. I definitely remember being a teen and like playing the “are you uncomfortable yet” game and stuff. But when there are feelings involved everything gets a little more vulnerable.

And then once he realizes he could be inexperienced with what to do with someone’s crush on him. Or not wanting to hurt Usopp’s feelings. Or he wasn’t aware that was even on the table and now has to think about it some (which is significant for him since he acts more on instinct. But crew and crushes can be delicate matters and he knows this now.)

I think what I’m getting at is that my answer to “what is something Luffy wouldn’t expect Usopp to do” is Usopp be serious (maybe in a moment of goofing off) about his own feelings.

Luffy cares about his crew and I think someone having feelings for him and being serious about it would be something he’d take seriously.

Usopp’s already so insecure pre-ts, imagine the internal conflict having a crush on your captain/the future pirate king

natsu: it would be super conflicting cause yea he's the captain but he's also his silly buddy usopp hunts beetles with. it's easy to forget luffy is so important, and the captain.

which is why water 7 happened lol

me: He would! But I wonder if Usopp would downplay the feelings and kind of play it off to satisfy luffy’s curiosity (because he thinks that’s the only thing Luffy could feel about romance ) And Luffy letting him go but Usopp being like “well fuck guess the cat’s out of the bag and he doesn’t return my feelings”

natsu: usopp: i gotta go immediately

me: I think Luffy’d know Usopp was lying to some extent but let him go because he’s clearly very uncomfortable. And yeah I could see Luffy pushing but maybe he still worries about water 7. Just a lil bit. Or something.

Luffy doesn’t know how romantic shit works! He only knows about the romance of adventure!

Luffy would usually bring something up immediately but this time is different from when like vivi was trying to be a martyr or whatever. And Usopp’s not about to bring it up again!! Luffy clearly didn’t return the feelings! And jeez was he just a fool for getting a crush on Luffy anyway? Like what kind of dream is brave warrior of the sea in the face of pirate king? Luffy was the sun and Usopp was just a normal guy! And yes they were also friends and he knew Luffy loved him just like Luffy loved the rest of the crew. But romance felt different. Or at least, the lead weight in his gut right now felt different. Damn, why had he said anything in the first place?

natsu: ahhhhhh! ok. get them outta that! how does usopp realize luffy DOES like him

me: They get over the initial awkwardness some Luffy asks Usopp or other people about romance and what it feels like (Sanji is incredibly unhelpful but is the first person Luffy goes to)

Luffy has a hard time figuring out how a crush/SO is different from a good friend (maybe this is when he asks Usopp because usopp’s the only one he knows who has a crush. It goes....kind of okay)

Usopp starts trying to let go of his feelings. Not read into Luffy’s behavior, not hope. Starts actively countering the thoughts in his head. Meanwhile Luffy is mulling things over, kind of developing a sense of romance, maybe an appreciation of it. Thinks it could be nice to kiss Usopp (he’s seen robin and Franky do it and they’re married so that’s probably a couples thing).

Usopp practically convinces himself he doesn’t have feelings anymore! It’s fine! It’s not hard at all! It doesn’t hurt at all!!!!!

Something happens. Could be life threatening, could be mundane. But suddenly Luffy’s like “I’ve got a pit in my stomach and I’ve literally never felt this it’s fucking awful” He goes to chopper. Nothing’s wrong. He goes to Sanji. Nothing new with the food for allergies to be a concern. Besides: it’s Luffy. He sees Usopp (laughing, being gorgeous, goofing off, tinkering, whatever. Something that’s like “oh yeah that’s Usopp and something to appreciate about him”) Luffy finally goes to Usopp and is like “hey I think you’re giving me a stomach ache?” And Usopp’s like “oh NO I’ve given Luffy anxiety!!!” But they talk and fumble and realize Luffy has a crush on Usopp and Usopp has one back (still, ofc) and it’s happily ever after.

4. Wedding: They’re getting maaaarried! Born from the same conversation with natsu (in fact it transitioned in almost immediately after the above).

Luffy wants to officiate but Nami won’t let him. Nami is Luffy’s best “man”, Sanji is Usopp’s, Zoro officiates. Franky and Brook bawl their eyes out. Chopper is the ring bearer, maybe with Robin. Nami has a deathhawk and wears a suit.

Vows:

Luffy: I’ve got two kinds of stomach ache. One is for food one is for Usopp Usopp, crying as they exchange rings: that’s the most romantic thing you’ve ever said

Their wedding audience: the fuck?

I’ve just realized I could put this all in one document. Here it is for your enjoyment as well though.

#usolu #lusopp #usopp #luffy #one piece #stoatwrote #fic ideas

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oneunexpected · 4 years

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I love Free Day because it means I can do Whatever I Want and I get to rb it to tucweek along with the incredible art pieces and insightful analysis other people have made and mine’s just, like, TUC as vines.

Anyway. Here’s the definitive power ranking of all minor characters* in the Underland Chronicles. It's quite long, because I tried to use every character.

Icarus -this DUUUUDE. This GUYYYYY. SUCKS! -“uh-oh looks like I’m infected with the plague better fly directly into a social gathering” -would be an anti-masker probably 0/10

Reekwell and Gushgore -Fangor and Shed part two, but unfunny this time. 1/10 y’all suck give me Fangor and Shed back

Purvox -Purvox is apparently a beautiful red spider who teaches Hazard how to “speak” Spinner. That’s cool. -that’s it. Why did Suzanne even feel the need to name her? I’m grateful for the extra details but 2/10

Ajax -mean. -nobody likes him -this is probably why he gets on so well with Solovet -some sort of flier general, it seems, which is pretty cool 2/10

Hero & Kent -twins, I guess that’s fun -they’re only like eight but they still Smirk Evilly. Good for them 2/10 just because there’s 2 of them

Anchel & Daphne -some randos Keeda mentions as dead. They probably had some sort of significance to be mentioned by name but We’ll Never Know. 2/10 RIP though. I’m sure you’re worth higher than this but I don’t even know who you are

Horatio -crony #1 -has a crush on Dulcet. Didn’t we all 3.5/10. Boosted solely by association with Dulcet

Marcus -crony #2 3/10

Wevox -thought her name was Weavox until I began writing this post -sort of “Was Margaret Thatcher a Girlboss?” vibes -“As it is, Vikus, we will not drink. Web them” is a RAW line and it bounces around my head sometimes -the spiders are clearly very crafty about their political relations but she was not going to hesitate for a MOMENT to consider the ramifications of killing the monarch of Regalia and we gotta respect that -docking points for the girlboss thing, though. 4/10

Stellovet -queen of insults you gotta be honest -had an INCREDIBLE amount of impact for only having like three lines. I remember being like 11 and reading so many fics on Fan Fiction Dot Net where she was a scheming villain -funny how Luxa thinks her endgame is just becoming a princess. She doesn’t care beyond that she just wants to be royalty 4/10

Chim -baby -ok she’s 5 -doesn’t do anything but look confused and help provide a gateway for Howard to look like a good person 5/10, for years of life. What’s even your name? Chimney?

Andromeda -she’s good. She is an Absolute Beast when she crosses the Waterway with Howard and Mareth, definitely saved Mareth’s life -loves Mareth very much :) -shuns Ares at first but comes around, we still gotta knock her for this though 5/10

Clawsin & Bloodlet & Ratriff -Some folks who go to Ripred’s side, Clawsin gets blinded from the Bane, Ratriff gets his arm ripped off by the Bane, it is what it is 5/10 collectively

Reflex -man’s got jokes -very helpful with the code -shoots streamers of silk around the room when they break it -came to Regalia secretly... secretly to whom? The spinners? The gnawers? Whatever, he’s a rebel either way -I had to look up his name though, so apparently not a lot of impact. Sorry Reflex 5/10

Treflex -announced he was joining the quest, then IMMEDIATELY died. Yes king give us nothing -made a good snack? Gross. 5/10

Cevian -the scene where they find her body is beautifully written and so heartbreaking. She’s the catalyst for the entire fourth book -gives Aurora the opportunity to make her first ever big impassioned speech. It’s what Aurora deserved -still, she doesn’t get any dialogue so I can’t vote her super high 5/10

Euripides -seems nice -always described as “Vikus’ big grey bat,” never just big bat, never just grey bat -tells Luxa to teach Gregor how to ride a bat because his neck is getting bruised lol -nice of him not to embarrass Gregor though 6/10 speak up for yourself, king

Pend -takes Boots back to Regalia after the moth brings her to the crawlers’ land -Vikus recognizes him by name which is really impressive since crawlers look pretty homogenous, although we are told Vikus is better than most at picking them out. Still, Pend is probably a high rolling crawler. 6/10

The scorpions -I know I’m supposed to be doing named characters but they’re pretty cool. The passage they’re in is a really fun read. Mad respect 6/10 I’ll see y’all in Scorpio szn, baby

Razor -showed SHAME and GUILT in the first book when he got called out by Ripred -raised Pearlpelt as if he was his own. In payment, Pearlpelt knocked him off a cliff and then tried to eat him to hide the evidence 6/10

Fangor and Shed -funny dudes. -apparently constantly drunk 6/10

Gox -Gox got shit DONE, okay? Gox got shit DONE. -would eat your carcass without a moment of hesitation. It’s fine. 6/10

Hermes -this guy is great! -brings Luxa her crown -gets seriously injured while protecting Lizzie on their way to Regalia -might be dead tbh no one ever says 7/10

Keeda -okay listen. Keeda’s great. Keeda is that warrior at the Battle of Marathon who ran all the way back to Athens to report their victory and immediately die, except Keeda was reporting that the gnawers were about to invade -listen I know she was dealing with some other stuff, but Vikus asks, “how many rats?” And she says “many. Many rats” ??? No estimate? “An army?” Whatever. We give her a pass. 7/10 RIP

Pandora -FUCK -her death was possibly the MOST disturbing passage I’ve ever read. I could see it so, so vividly in my head. Man I remember the horror -she just wanted to explore 7/10 but also 2/10 for emotional trauma

Queen Athena -ICONIC one-liner in Curse of the Warmbloods, absolutely demolishes the gnawers over their treatment of the nibblers -I’m really biased towards her because Athena is my favorite goddess -probably could’ve done more for Ares, especially as seeing she’s supposed to be perceptive and a really good judge of character and whatnot 7/10

Daedalus -flinches in fear when Boots says she’s gonna sing a for him, specifically -basically pledges his life to Lizzie in the event the Code Room is attacked so that’s very nice 7/10

Heronian -she’s in a full body cast, but that will not stop her. 8/10

Susannah -can we talk about how she lost both of her siblings and she just keeps trucking along? -REALLY wish we knew more about her -clearly Very Kind. Can you please ask your daughter to be nicer -takes really good care of everyone she comes across :) 8/10

Min -creaky old cockroach dance 9/10

Frill -was cool -taught everyone the marks of secret -taught Hamnet about pacifism and stuff too -I get the feeling she was wayyyyy more important to Hazard and Hamnet and their survival than Gregor’s narrative really dives into 9/10

Mr. Cormaci -nice man. Gave Gregor quarters. 10/10

Gregor’s grandma -cool lady, you can’t deny! -tells Gregor he can’t outrun his issues -has a super cool quilt -who IS Simon??? 10/10

Scalene, Euclidian, Root, Cube, and Newton -felt obligated to include all these kiddos because they are, in fact, named, even though none of them get any dialogue or anything else for that matter, really -Scalene was a little nibbler pup that found her mom in the Arena, Euclidian and Root are two more that the mom was looking for, Newton was one that no one claimed but some other guy was like “any of us will take him” which is :’) but also, so, so sad. -Cube was the pup Luxa named that ended up in the pit in the Firelands -Scalene and Newton survived a genocide and Euclidian which is baller any way you swing it 10/10

Tick -:( :( :( -the selflessness. -I shipped her with Temp when I was 8? I can’t answer for that 10/10

York -LMAOOOO this guy’s a LEGEND -7 ft tall. -fights with a zweihander. -says fuck, canonically. -hosts hundreds of nibbler refugees -very loving uncle to Luxa, helps her learn how to rule - his exasperated affection towards Howard when he finds out Howard stayed in the Firelands even after he got sick was very cute 10/10

Honorable mentions: Perdita and Dulcet Their roles are too big in the last book to be included in this list, but these ladies both get a 10/10.

#ucfw

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FOLKLORE: 1st Listen

1. The 1 - “I’m on some new shit” Love the production ooooo..... “If you never bleed then you’re never gonna grow.” Why does this remind me of HAYLOR?!?!!? Omg my heart. “It woulda been fun if you woulda been the one” Wow!!!!!! “And if my wishes came true it woulda been you” Wowowowowow!!!!!! WHAT AN OPENER

2. Cardigan - High heels on cobblestones what an IMAGE. I love her range here omg. “Baby kiss it better, Iiiiiiiii” I LOVE the breathiness of it. A friend to all is a friend to none, you tell em girl!!!! This song is so COZY I just feel like war, and soft listening to it. So much piano. “You drew stars around my scars but now I’m bleeding.” So softttt “Leaving like a father” 🥺🥺🥺 “These hands had to let it go free and this love came back to me// I knew you’d come back to me”

3. The last great American dynasty - Ok I was not excited for this one. The initial synth is interesting. Rebecca who tf is Rebecca? Saint Louis and Bill? This is specific.... Hmmmm okay I see a trend of blaming women. THE RHODE ISLAND SET HOLLA!!!! Dali?! Hmmm maddest, shameless now... What’s the twist in the bridge tell me? OMG IS THAT HER HOUSE!!! AHHHHHHH YES OMG!!!!! Loudest yessss! LITERALLY A SOMG ABOUT HER HOUSE I CANT. I like this chorus so much

4. Exile - I’m stoked for this one. Mucho piano. Omgggggg the vocals well done Bon Iver!!!!! “You’re not my homeland anymore” BROKEN HEART. “Now I’m in exile seeing you out.” There’s the title... Balancing on breaking branches :( “I’m not your problem anymore, so who am I offending now.” Awww “you were my crown” proceeds the exile line, that’s so sad and beautiful like THEY WERE ROYALTY IN LOVE. I love this interplay of perspectives holy shit this bridge. Her voice is so delicate and his is so strong they are just CHEFS KISS together!!!!! Like sneaking out a movie theater? This album is PERFECT for midnight release. I am obsessed with the ending of this song OMG. J’adore.

5. My tears ricochet - Ok time for track five I am not ready. Ooo floaty vocals me gusta. Omg it’s like a wake?? I love how she says loved you, cause I loved you. It’s almost British. Oooo SAVING FACE BURN GIRL. “You know I didn’t want to have to haunt you.” This is so prettyyyyyyyyy. It’s like Clean gets a whole album! “Just not home”. “Miss me in your bones.” “Stolen lullabies” THESE IMAGES LIKE WHAT. Not sure where the title fits in with the other story like if she’s dead how is she crying? Does he just not really care? Is he a robot? Hm. Much to think about

6. Mirrorball - TRACK 6 mirrorball. PLEASE be about the outfit to end all outfits! Kidding. Definitely not lol. This sounds like a middle school slow dance song.... shining just for you 😍 definitely a middle school slow dance song. “I can change everything about me to fit in.” Ouch Taylor. This is like the softest thing and also the saddest thing how she feels she has to try to keep his attention the whole time. I wasn’t expecting it to be sad?!

7. Seven - Aptly named seven. Ok we’re not waiting here let’s go. This has a little strummy country vibe? “Are there still beautiful things” powerful question. “Passed down like folk songs, the love lasts so long”. This feels like a song about her childhood. I really like this melody. It’s so gentle and pretty 😍

8. August - {WOW APPLE MUSIC WAY TO CATCH UP WITH THE FUCKING WORLD I HATE YOU. Okay we’re back!!!} Salt air?! I already love it. And rusty doors. Yes. Okay my birthday feels safe. “August sipped away like a bottle of wine cause you were never mine”🥺. Wait this is like happy retrospective WHEN WE WERE STILL CHANGING FOR THE BETTER, FOR ME IT WAS ENOUGH TO LIVE FOR THE HOPE OF IT ALL. “I can see us lost in a memory, august slipped away in a memory, cause it was never mine” this is so freaking ethereal and pretty. And she is repeating the hope of it all?! Inject this directly into my veins ughhhhh

9. This is me trying - “I didn’t know if you’d care if I came back” I love how she has all these images of bumbling and fumbling and puts it next to her saying she is trying, working on that communication. “I got wasted like all my potential. My words shoot to kill when I’m bad” Wait I have so many amazing lyrics I can’t even keep up with it what is happening. “It’s hard to be anywhere these days when all I want is you”

10. Illicit affairs - curious about this title???? What’s going to happen. Oooo a sneaky love thing going on. “Clandestine meetings and longing stares”. LITTLE DEATH TAYLOR SWIFT I SEE YOU LE PETIT MORT. “Dwindling mercurial high”?! Damn girl!!! Ooo okay no more orgasm things, just about lies now. Death to lies. “You showed me colors I can’t see with anyone else” “you taught me secret language I can’t speak with anyone else” Wait is it over?! The sudden endings WOW.

11. Invisible string - I keep hearing all these colors and all I can thing is RED. “Invisible string tying you to me”. I just LOVE all these pretty floating songs! “She said I look like an American singer” Omg I wonder if this is about her meeting joe IT IS IT IS THE DIVE BAR IS BACK. “One single thread of gold” ugh I love the running themes this woman uses! “Now I send their babies presents 😍” “hell was the journey but it brought me heaven” I LOVE THIS SONG OMG

12. Mad woman - I’ve been so curious about this OKAY!!!!!! TAYLOR SWIFT SAID FUCK IT HAPPENED. “Every time you call me crazy I get more crazy what about that?” “No one likes a mad woman YOU MADE HER LIKE THAT” OH MY GODDDDDD YES TELL THEM TAYLOR. “Doing your dirtiest work for you” holy SHIT Taylor this is scooter’s call out song and I LOVE THIS I LOVE THIS. “I’m taking my time because you took everything from me, watching you climb over people like me” I CANT KEEP UP TAYLOR THIS IS SO SHARP OMG and the dRUMS MY SOUL LEFT MY BODY

13. Epiphany - WHEW okay lots I’m still processing so epiphany whatcha got?! “Something med school did not cover, someone’s daughter, someone’s mother.” Omg aNOTHER HOSPITAL SONG SERIOUSLY Taylor baby no :((((( “you dream of some epiphany, just one single glimpse of relief to make some sense of what you’ve seen” I wonder if this is for nurses and caregivers?

14. Betty - oh HELLO harmonica!!!!! Is this one of the love triangle songs? TAYLOR SAID FUCK AGAIN TWICE IN ONE ALBUM! I WAS NOT EMOTIONALLY PREPARED FOR THIS!!!!! I like the melody in this though, it’s so pretty and it reminds me of her older stuff! WAIT FUCK IS IN THE CHORUS SO SHE’S SAYING IT A LOT AHHHHH. “A figment of my worst intentions” omgggggg what a great line?! Okay wait this has SO MANY CARDIGAN PARALLELS AT THE END THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE. SO IS CARDIGAN what is #3?!

15. Peace - interesting starting song hmmmmmmmm. Sounds more bluesy! “Our coming of age is come and gone.” So she can’t give peace- “I would die for you in secret, the devil’s in the details but you got a friend in me.” This song is really hitting a lot tbh. “It’s like I’m wasting your honor.” Taylor this is sad 🥺 “the rain is always gonna come if you’re standing with me”

16. Hoax - hOW are we already at the end?! I like the super gentle piano in the back. “Your faithless love’s the only hoax I believe in. Don’t want no other shade of blue but you.” She’s so vulnerable and this is really hard to listen to. Love was just as hard as when they pulled you apart?

Physical Album Update on (TBD)

1. The lakes

#folklore #my thoughts #first listen #i feel many things #taylor swift #ts8 at midnight

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The Demon Next Door, Chapter 3

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Marco's phone ringed as he woke up, wiping the sleep from his eyes and peering around his room. It was about 2 in the morning and someone thought to call him now of all times? It was finally the weekend and he just wanted to sleep in already, he'd been lacking sleep trying to help star, study, and work on his jackie plan that this was his one time to make up for all the sleep he never got in the week and someone was calling him now of all times? He reached for his phone with a groan as he opened it up to see what was up. Honestly he had been half expecting it to be star, but surprisingly this time it was not, tom was in fact texting him. Which meant across the street, right now, tom was wide awake, texting on his phone. Marco yawned, tom had actually been starting to text him a bit more recently, he seemed to actually like talking with marco whenever he could. Though marco had to be the one to tell him it was probably not smart to do it in class at any point ever.

It made Marco happy though it'd be nice if tom was a little better about when to contact marco, but then again, he was still learning. Marco squinted his eyes in the dark to read whatever was written on it, lying back on the mattress and scanning over the screen. His parents were pretty upset over the due fact tom's family had not responded to them and their invites in the slightest, it honestly probably made tom himself feel awkward just visiting since his family is mostly what they asked about whenever they saw him. And Tom wanted to visit now, seems that night with marco really made him actually excited to hang out with him. Marco finally had another friend, much to Star's frustration, but still. It was kinda nice to see the lonely boy who seemed pretty outed the day he arrived feel excited and want to actually spend time with him. Star was his friend but she was friends with almost everybody, marco actually made a friend, on his own, and the kid actually kinda seemed to like him. Speaking of which- Tom: My folks r kinda not in the mood 2 talk 2 yr parents, they get anxious about going into the homes of ppl they don't really know, i'm srry Yeah, he wasn't surprised, honestly he wouldn't be surprised if the reason other new families even came was just to be nice more then anything. Guess he'd have to tell his parents when he saw them later on, though he knew they'd be upset. Tom didn't talk that much about his family yet, he'd normally talk about stuff happening in school, sometimes star, ask Marco questions about echo creek, or just vaguely talk about the move. Marco would be lying if he didn't admit he kinda was curious about tom's parents. Were they rich? Seemed that way considering tom seemed very much loaded half the time. If they were, why did they move to a place like this? Seems pretty low-class for some rich family like theirs, and they sure don't blend in well with that creepy looking house. They were honestly talk of the town, a family moving in with a creepy house and never come out of it? It sure sounded like a horror movie, marco almost pictured tom's family as emo rockstars that looked like him, or even vampires, or maybe snooty looking folks who looked down on the poorer class and that's why they never left. Marco remembered he had seen what was probably tom's father vaguely during the first day but even that was hard to remember since he was mostly fixated on tom during that moment. He knew his parents were not going to give up that easily though, on the contrary, they'd probably change strategy. Now that Marco was making friends with Tom, it only increased their want and desire to meet his family and connect with them. And that didn't bode too well for marco because who knew if tom's parents would even like them or not, worst case scenario is they ended up refusing to let tom even go near marco of the diazes ever again if they went too far. Marco quickly texted tom back, tired but still curious. Marco: Are your parents weirded out by my parents? and Tom replied almost instantly back. Tom: My parents r actually really cool, I think they'd like u, but right now they don't want to go around to random ppl's home, maybe another time when they get used to me and u being friends... Fair enough. At least that reassured him from thinking they were snobby jerks at the very least. Marco: Well I'm glad your parents aren't going to eat me or anything like that lol Tom was silent for a bit before texting back and marco was worried maybe tom had fallen asleep on his end, but instead was met with a text back that told him maybe tom wasn't fond of that kinda humor when he couldn't see marco's face. Wherever tom originally came from, it seemed he wasn't familiar with telling sarcasm and jokes from actual things marco meant when it came to texts, it honestly had marco wondering if tom ever hung out with teens at all before he moved. Tom: What? My parents would never eat you, why would you ever think that? It was meant to be a joke, something to ease his worries he had originally about tom's family, but based on the response he received, it seemed like tom himself took it a little more seriously then the boy had been intending it to be. Marco almost wanted to laugh, but then again he also didn't want tom to panic, making friends with tom seemed to matter a lot to the boy and Marco really didn't want to risk ruining their newfound friendship not even long after it started, Marco was quick to step in. Marco: Oh non no no, i was kidding, just a joke. Sorry! Tom was silent for a strangely long amount of time before he replied back, a uncomfortable silence present in marco's room that he only noticed now. Marco nervously waiting for tom to text back with sudden anxiety Tom: Ok, sorry for overreacting, I'll see you tomorrow, and uh....i'm sorry Marco: It's ok tom Tom didn't reply back, marco sighing as he tried to get back to sleep, he kinda had to go easy on tom. Tom was new and he didn't know much about how best to handle these situations, though he seemed fast to calm himself down whenever he got riled up, which was at least a good sign that he was working on his issues. Tom wasn't flat out attacking him or anything, and he seemed actually sorry, and it was kinda hard for marco to get too upset when tom seemed to care this much. And tom seemed to care a lot. Marco was just going to have to be careful from now on about what was ok for tom and what wasn't, Tom wasn't Star, and he couldn't treat him like Star either, he was going to have to adapt one way or another. Tomorrow they could meet up and check up on him and it'd probably be back to normal, but marco was lying if he said he wasn't always worried. It was almost like with jackie, one wrong move and you might miss your chance to ever fully connect with someone. - He fell asleep soon after and much to his surprise and delight, Tom came over for breakfast, finding him in the kitchen eating chocolate chip pancakes and smiling at the sight of marco, who waved and joined him at the table. He hadn't been expecting Tom so soon, honestly he thought most likely he'd invite him over or they'd meet up or something but this was a pleasant surprise.Tom was sitting next to mariposa in her high chair, who seemed to find the boy's appearance rather funny looking, giggling as she chewed on a pancake in front of him. Marco quickly added some to his own plate as tom brushed at his hair. "Sorry about last night...hope i didn't freak you out...". "What? Oh no no, I know you didn't know better...hope I didn't offend you or anything". Tom seemed to be thinking about something else before shaking his head and reassuring marco, "No No i was being silly, I just....it's just things that kinda happened back home....don't worry about it, I just get mad about it sometimes". Yeah, marco had a feeling as much as that being the reason why, but he seemed to feel a ton better at least seeing tom for himself instead of worrying about his emotions behind a screen without much else to go on. "I couldn't sleep last night cause I was worried I upset you so I came over and I hope that's ok....". "No no, that's ok, honestly star comes in when she wants too, i'm happy to see you honestly, i was hoping we'd meet up for certain.". Though Tom still seemed a little nervous, and marco couldn't help but notice her was playing more with his pancake then eating it now, they had only met not that long ago and were they already hitting a hurdle? He really hoped not, if he screwed up this bad this soon- "You wanna talk about it?". Tom turned his head before taking another full bite of pancake quickly, marco took that as a hard "No", guess that really was a sensitive topic for him, whatever it was. Marco instead went back to eating and changed the subject quickly to lighten up the mood, "hey uh...how are you liking echo creek so far? You've been here about a week at this point, you like it?". Tom's expression wasn't of joy but not of disgust either, then again, he probably hadn't been around Echo Creek all that much. "I could show you around at some point? Maybe the mall, britta's tacos, the park....if that's cool or something? You could hang out with me and Star..". Tom blinked at marco, as if he had no idea what in the heck the boy was even talking about in the slightest, that or...he blanked out into his mind for a bit. "Tom?", marco tapped onto his shoulder and tom shook his head, "Um...sorry, but doesn't having me and star together sound like a bad idea? She doesn't actually seem to want to be around me, she's mad with me....I don't think she wants me around when she's around, it's um....it sounds like fun but...". "Oh don't worry about that, star's like that sometimes....she probably just likes you.". "Likes me?". "Yeah!", marco explained carefully, "Star is not really the best with crushes, i mean she thinks she's good at them, but i've seen her obsess over them, pretend she's not interested to get them interested, went overboard, the whole bit.....she's been doing this since you got here so clearly something about you set her off that way and judging by how she looked at you when she first saw you, and knowing her, it's a crush. Don't take it too personally.". "She...has a crush on me?", tom said softly, scratching his head, "Is that normal around here?". "Yeah, sometimes when people like other people they pretend not to be interested to get the other interested, it's like reverse psychology.",Tom seemed to laugh at that, as if it sounded silly, and to be fair, marco could understand why. "I mean, if that were the case, everyone must have a crush on me back home", he snorted, "I dunno marco, i kinda don't really think that's the case, but I think it's cool you think I have any kinda of chance with her...". "You totally like her....", marco teased, wiggling his eyebrows, "C'mon, I can tell, every time she shows up you can't seem to take your eyes off of her.". Tom felt himself blush a little as he pulled his hair, "Marco, c'mon....that's stupid...I don't...is it that obvious?". Marco nodded, "Dude, when you thought I liked Star you kinda sounded jealous, I don't want to assume too much, but it kinda sounds to me you already have an interest in her...". "Uh....well, look uh.....maybe we should move on back to the subject...Um...I'd like to hang out but if Star doesn't want me there....maybe we should just do it one on one instead?", he was now playing with his pancakes on his plate, blushing but not really looking at marco and marco sighed and dropped the subject. "Well, that should still be kinda fun! Maybe you could come and see my karate lesson? Star usually goes but she's kinda in trouble because of the whole "Cheating thing" so...good chance she can't this time". "Karate?", marco smiled wide as he grabbed his phone to show some pictures of him in his green belt, "Yeah, at the mall, I'm currently a green belt and working on my red next, Karate is like SERIOUS business. You outta watch me in action when I finally kick Jeremy's butt", he did a few small karate moves at the table and tom stared at him blankly as he acted them out, "You fight? I had no idea you could fight!". Tom's voice slowly got more impressed and interested as he processed what marco was talking about, "That's really cool actually." "You didn't know what karate was?". "Oh um...well, where i come from people do fight, but...not that kinda fighting, so....sorry, I might be a little outta the loop...", he looked almost embarrassed about it, was tom really sheltered before he moved? It didn't seem that way judging by some of Tom's previous statements, but Marco didn't think he'd hear of anyone not knowing what Karate was before. Then again, Star did the same thing so maybe it was more common then he was making it out to be. "Well, my practice starts later today, so if you wanna stick around i'll show you around the mall and you can watch me totally kick butt!", the redhead seemed more then happy, finishing up his breakfast fast and practically chugging down his orange juice like it was no tomorrow. Marco finished his food as well before asking tom to wait downstairs as he went to go tell his mom he wanted a ride early so they had time to explore the shops together. Angie's reaction of course, was a little too mushy for Marco's taste, about her baby boy and his cute new best friend. Marco made friends with a new kid whose actually kinda cool, it wasn't "Cute", it was normal, what was so "Cute" about him making friends with this boy? Ugh, it didn't matter, she said yes anyway though she would take Mariposa with her and check out a few stores while they were out. Which was fine enough, as long as she didn't spend the entire time gushing about Marco making a friend the whole time. He was probably getting too worked up over his parents gushing about his relationship with tom, they were excited, he just didn't like them making such a big deal about it. They were already making such a big deal about meeting tom's family, what if they made tom too uncomfortable with all their gushing? Ugh, he really was freaking out about this too much, he needed to calm down. He and Tom were going to have a good time together and he was going to chill about it. "Marco...you ok?", tom glanced over to marco from the backseat of the car, which gave marco the impression he was probably fidgeting in front of him a little too much. Though much to Marco's embarrassment, Angie chipped in from the driver's seat, "Oh don't worry about him, I think he's just nervous, he's been having a hard time beating that Jeremy boy for a long time now, that boy's only 8 and has been destroying marco for years at this point!". "8 years old?" Marco felt mortified. "MOM!". "Aww c'mon sweetie, no need to be shy about it, we know you'll beat him this time around. Marco's been doing karate for a long time, Star likes to go to his practices ever since she moved but she also gets too busy to come at all, so perhaps you might like it tom. Do your parents have any private study sessions for you as well?", Tom coughed into his hand and looked out the window, "Well, no, I guess I have a lot of freetime these days...I honestly wasn't sure what i'd do with myself before marco came a long to be honest...I'd probably be playing games in my room all day.". "Well see, that's wonderful! Marco doesn't get to do much either outside of karate and hanging out with star, he used to stay in his room all by himself. Star's such a sweet girl but she's always so busy it seems, her mother runs a tight ship I tell ya, you two can hang out when you have time, marco would love more company when star's not around, he gets really lonely.", marco was about ready to jump out of the car at this rate, though honestly his mom really didn't need to know how much star broke her mother's rules to find reasons to hang out with marco anyway. "Ok mom, he gets it....". "He really likes karate, though we had to take him out of lessons for a bit when he broke his arm trying to break 3 wooden boards once...", Marco scrunched up in his seat and pulled the hood over his head before pulling the strings, hoping to hide his face forever so tom couldn't see him. The Car ride seemed to be taking forever and marco felt he had effectively downed out the conversation tom and his mother were having and when his mother finally parked outside the mall, marco practically lept out, forgetting to unbuckle his seat belt in the process and blushing in embarrassment as he struggled to take it off, grab his bag of karate clothes, and walk out, still with the hoodie hood over his head. He couldn't even look tom directly in the face. And he didn't as they entered the mall, Angie walking off with Mariposa and leaving the boys together. Much to Marco's relief, though he still wasn't looking at Tom, despite knowing he should and should help him out like he promised. He needed to pull himself together, there was no way he'd ever be able to ask out jackie or take down his karate rival if he couldn't deal with a little embarrassment from his mom to someone he hadn't known all that long. He coughed and removed his hoodie, thankful that tom hadn't ran off and still was next to him, if this were star she'd already be checking out a store by now. "Sorry um.....c'mon....let's get looking shall we? uh....where you wanna go first?", Tom blinked as he took in all the sights, he seemed almost memorized by the size of the place and all it's colorful stores and scenery. He grabbed onto Marco's arm and pulled him along as he hopping into a shirt shop for the more grungy type. Of course this would be tom's first stop, he seemed to love wearing punk clothing, it was like being a kid at a candy shop for him as he browsed the shirts and earrings. Marco seemed a little more at ease watching tom get absorbed in the shopping aspect, it drew less attention away from the embarrassing conversations earlier and seemed to make him very happy. He took some breaths and tom tried on some new clothes, picked out some skull earrings, even a few other accessories before heading out. Though not before seeing if marco wanted to try on anything, which marco politely declined considering punk didn't seem to be "His style". The day seemed to go smoother from there, tom checked out bookstores, game stores, stores with stuffed animals and much to marco's surprise, he seemed to take much interest in the stuffed animals there especially. After checking out a few more stores together they found themselves at the food court, each with chili cheese dogs and a milkshake each, Tom carefully taking a bite out of his chili dog before woolfing it down quickly, making marco laugh as he got chili all over his face. This was nice. Marco felt actually content and Tom was enjoying himself, no more freaking out, no mom making him feel embarrassed. Tom was even laughing, asking questions about the mall and karate in general, Star liked karate well enough but seeing Tom invested and curious about it and what Marco did kinda got him excited. Finally, someone who seemed genuinely interested in the art! Though the conversation about hands and arm stance was interrupted as a blonde on a skateboard rushed by their table, stopping marco mid-sentence to stare at her, tom looking back as well before looking at marco who immediately tried to avert his gaze from the girl. Tom blinked at marco before his lips fascinated a smile marco didn't like, Tom leaning on one of his hands now as his arm perched up on the table. "Skateboard girl huh? Y'know....I never would've guessed, but I can totally see it....". Marco quietly sipped on his milkshake as he adverted his eyes away from tom who tapped him on the shoulder, "I'm not making fun, ok? You don't have to talk about her if you don't want I know we don't know each other THAT well I'm just saying...". "I don't know what you're talking about...", marco said, lying out of his teeth. "Dude, I know what that look is, i'm not stupid....you saw her and you were totally checking her out....like c'mon now, it's cool dude....you didn't think It was weird that I might like Star so...you can talk about it if you want to". Marco gulped, and let out a deep breath in defeat. "Her name is Jackie Lynn Thomas...". "Hmm?". Marco sighed as he put his drink down, "I've liked her since elementary school....and I've never asked her out....", he felt another rush of embarrassment overwhelm him as he reached behind his head, "I really like her...ok? I think she's cool, but....I don't think she really notices me...I'm trying to come up with a plan to ask her out but....I've been delaying trying to y'know....do it?". Tom's smile faded quickly as he leaned on the table to look Marco in the eyes, "Elementary school?". "Yeah...since we were 4 practically...". "Wow....you do have it bad...". He blushed harder, "Don't tell her or anything...don't tell star i've been delaying either, I always tell her i'm getting started on the plan but if she ever found out i'm delaying, she'll probably force me to hang out with jackie to make sure I do it.". Tom could read the distress on Marco's face and seemed to get it, "Tom, I'm just not sure she'll even like me, ok? We don't really talk that much or interact in general...I mean....you saw me today, I screw up talking to you, I'm a loser who sits in my room all day, I get beaten up by a child....Jackie might....she might think I'm pathetic....I'm sure I look pathetic...". "I don't think you're pathetic...", Marco's eyes looked over to Tom, whose face was entirely serious, before leaning his face on the table, "C'mon, don't lie to me here, you haven't even known me for that long and all you hear about me is how i'm a nerd who can't even get his red belt and can barely work up the nerve to talk to his crush. I was so upset earlier because I really didn't want to look stupid in front of you and....If i look stupid in front of you there's no way Jackie will think I'm cool...". "You were worried about me not wanting to be friends with you because of stuff like that?". Marco nodded against the table. "Dude, Like, I know we haven't known each other that long but...I don't think It's stupid you like a girl or spent a lot of time in your room or lose sometimes....I mean...I'm kinda the same way...", Marco peeled his face off the table to look tom directly in the eyes as he rubbed his cheek, "Like Of course I sat in my room because well...I didn't have anyone to hang out with but...yeah there's this girl....I like....and..I really screwed up with her...and I know I should move on but I...still feel like I love her and.....it's complicated....". "You didn't have an elaborate plan to date her did you?", Tom almost laughed, though marco was dead serious. "No, no elaborate plan...though....I did have an elaborate plan to like....win her back and prove to her I'd be a great boyfriend...and....", he drifted off but Marco seemed to get the picture, "Y'know...I think it's kinda touching...you're so willing to talk about this with me...I assume it's probably really personal and weird to be sharing with someone you haven't known so long...". "Maybe but......I've never really met anyone whose uh....gone through something like this before...so...I guess I couldn't really help it. Sorry if that's weird, I'm still struggling with this whole "Friend" thing so I might not be sure what I'm doing half the time or if it's ok to do...i think we're both trying so hard to not make things weird or screw up with each other we're making it harder to just....talk and get to know each other...we're so socially awkward..", Tom almost laughed it off, but instead he seemed more nervous then anything, shielding his eyes, "Just...let's promise not to make each other feel weird about the dating thing....it's uh...yeah I'm kinda guilty of wanting someone but not being sure of ever winning them over either...". "Sounds to me like we have more in common then I though, but....yeah, I promise...just uh...don't tell anyone about my crush....i'm already pretty embarrassed as is...". Tom snorted, "I won't...if you won't tell anyone as well.", marco nodded before holding out his hand, tom staring at it for a bit before taking it and marco shook their hands. "Uh....well..Karate starts in a bit if you wanna get on over there? You don't have to though you could always do more shopping or something...". But tom shook his head before pounding a fist into the palm of his other, "Oh no no no, I wanna see you fight this jeremy kid, and if he gives you any trouble...he'll hear about it from me...". "Oh uh, that's not necessary tom...", tom's face dropped, but then Marco thought back to the time Jeremy hid gold knuckles in his glove to cheat hi sway to the top and shook his head, "Uh well...nevermind, we'll see, maybe some other time", though Tom didn't seem so sure himself. They cleaned up their areas and tom grabbed their bags as they headed over to the mall dojo, tom taking a seat on the bleachers inside as marco went to change, looking over all the students who seemed mostly younger then marco. Wow, not even in his own class did marco have any friends of his own age, that kinda seemed to suck, though it didn't take tom long to point out the kid who was probably Jeremy. Considering he had a butler following him and looked too full of himself to be anyone BUT Jeremy, geez no wonder marco didn't like him. Jeremy seemed to spot Tom out of the corner of his eye, before looking creeped out and going back to practicing his kicks, Tom never came here before now, he probably did look strange for that reason. He awkwardly sat there, only to be relieved when Marco returned, handing over the bag with his clothes for Tom to watch over. "So yeah, just keep an eye on my stuff, and you can watch I guess.....", Tom awkwardly gave Marco a smile and thumbs up, "Kick his ass....you got this, just uh.....imagine you're trying to impress jackie." Marco snorted as he headed back for the lesson, Tom smiling to himself as he watched Marco learn moves and fight the other students. Marco WAS pretty good. He seemed to hold his own pretty well, blocking most hits and kicks and winning against every opponent he was against. Tom was more then impressed, Marco probably thought he'd be bored sitting here and waiting for his lessons to be finished but Tom honestly couldn't keep his eyes off marco. Marco seemed more at ease seeing Tom practically cheer him on as well, It was rather nice, though as his next and last fight came up he felt that happiness quickly devolve. Jeremy was a spoiled little brat who cheated his way into everything, in fact marco was darn sure the kid wasn't even that great at karate, he was sure he bought his way here by paying people to lose and cheating his way past the ones who refused. Honestly the only reason Jeremy probably hadn't been kicked from the class is because he had so much money and had so much power that Sensei refused to get rid of him because he's probably the only reason this place was still in business. Jeremy smirked before motioning to Tom, chilling in his seat and snorting, "Whose the new kid diaz? Is he your boyfriend or something?". Marco made a face, before looking at Tom, and then back to the kid. Tom didn't seem to have heard anything, "Uh...no, he's a friend, y'know, the kind thing you have to pay people to even be?". The kid snorted at him, "OOOO, Diaz is so scared to get beaten up he's trying to make me sad, nice try...but i'm not going easy on you for your boyfriend back there." "He's not my-ugh.....whatever, bring it on jeremy...". Honestly Marco thought the fight was actually going well for a short bit, he managed to block jeremy rather well and avoided a specific kick jeremy had definitely intended to hit the boy's groin. He was pretty sure that was not in the rules at all either, and marco scoffed in his mind about sensei not disqualifying the kid almost instantly for that one. though the next move really got under Marcos's skin as he dodged another kid only for the boy to hit him directly in the face, knocking him to the ground. He swore he heard Tom audibly gasp in his seat as marco felt his face, yep, he put something in his glove again, and it HURT. Jeremy was pumping his fists in the fair, feeling incredibly victorious, but that didn't last much longer till tom practically jumped down to confront the boy on this, only stopped by sensei before he could, "Whoa whoa, easy there....Diaz...you ok?". Marco sat up, rubbing the side of his face, "I...think so? But.....jeremy-". Only for the adult to cross his arms, "Diaz, if you're about to accuse him of breaking any rules again I told you I haven't found any proof...no more of that without it ok?". Marco huffed in frustration as Tom stepped forward, past the man and glared at jeremy. "Marco has a mark on his face, that kid in no way should've been able to hurt him THAT badly, are you seriously not going to look into this?", tom looked rather furious though jeremy snorted at Tom's insistence, "Maybe i'm not stronger, maybe marco is just a weak baby like he's always been, I've been kicking his buts for ages....just because I won doesn't mean I cheated.". Tom clutched his fists before sensei stood between the two, "Hold on kid, I'm sorry if Diaz got hurt but if you think jeremy really cheated then....do you have any proof yourself?". "Check his glove then....". "Hmm?". "Check the glove he used to hit marco...", Tom insisted, "Make sure there was no foul play...though he did hit marco in the face which is kinda already pretty bad..like I don't know karate but shouldn't hitting Marco in the face be considered an unfair win?.". Jeremy shot a look at Tom, but Tom was quick to grab his glove from him and sure enough, a bunch of metal rings popped out of it and onto the floor. Some of the other people among the seats gasped, others seemed entirely unsurprising by this at all, especially the other students, guess they were just as aware as marco about his cheating that they were unfazed. Jeremy squeaked as Tom walked over and pulled Marco up onto his feet before grabbing his stuff and running out as his butler carefully walked behind him. "Well, lessons are done a bit early today then....I better go find the kid....cya soon Diaz..",swaety and embarrassed for how incompetent he now looked in front of the parents and adults who came to watch their kids, Sensei followed them out quickly in his bare feet as Marco rubbed his hurt face and looked to tom. "Wow....you...actually might've gotten him to take action against him....but....how did you? Like I kept trying everything it feels like...", only for Tom to just shrug. "I mean....I guess i'm more direct is all...not like he can lie if I expose him out front of everyone....but c'mon that was totally not cool....no 8 year old with a lousy punch like that should've knocked you to the ground.". Marco quickly found himself smiling, "Thanks for sticking up for me...even though i said not to get involved....maybe Jeremy will finally stop cheating against me...". Though in his heart he didn't seem to totally believe that, in fact more then likely this would only give jeremy more of a reason to torment him after this, especially if he really thought Tom and him were in on it together and were a team in general. Though for now, he seemed more then happy as tom grabbed their things as people cleared out, tom surprised to see the other kids give him high fives on their way out. "Well....so much for karate....", marco sighed, as the dojo cleared out, grabbing his clothes and pulling out his phone to tell his mom. Tom placed his hand on the phone and pushed it down though, "Hey...I had a great time...I...I'll come again in the future, uh....sorry about ending it early.....it's just...wow that kid was out of line on you...". Marco snorted, "Well, if lessons are much easier and less stressful from now on, then I guess i can't be that upset....but uh...shouldn't we go home?". "Well...I was thinking, could I treat you to some frozen drinks? To celebrate your first win against that jeremy kid? Besides maybe you want something cold to lean against your.....cheek?", marco rubbed the side of his face and nodded, "Hey....thanks for caring so much and not making fun of me today....I was kinda worried maybe...well yeah.". The taller boy snorted as he fixed his jacket, "It's cool, we'll get used to it right? Talking to each other and getting more comfortable?". "Yeah...sounds good.". Heading, out, the two butted against each other, laughing as they watched Sensei chase the 8 year old all over the mall.

#star vs the forces of evil #svtfoe #svstfoe #tomco #tom the demon #tom lucitor #marco #marco diaz #jackie lynn thomas #fanfiction #my art

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marriael · 5 years

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1 Year Blogiversary

So. Hello people. Since 100 followers is still far away for me this was just me taking a chance to appreciate mutual, let me have this.

All of these could be started with we've never talked/we haven't talked much so. Ehe. That one’s on me folks.

This is just a big, dumb, sappy post that I wouldn't recommend reading tbh.

Thank you to everyone who follows me, no matter for how long. It must get exhausting to see my dumb ass so often.

@wydyuto You were my first follower! When you first followed me it gave me so much confidence to keep going and making moodboards. Thank you so much!

@igot7-penta-seo You've been dming me all these posts and I feel bad since I never send anything back. One day I will, I promise! It feels so long ago but I just remember reading all your pentagon stuff when I was getting into them and loving your writing and them even more.

@mrchoiholic Alright since I’m dumb and don’t know when we became mutuals I’m putting you here. I remember my first interaction with you (technically) was I requested a Hoshi fic and then reblogged it because the title was incredible. Then I was Tea anon for a while, which was a good time. You’ve always given me caring older sister vibes even if you’re my ‘mom’.

@cxvert-edits Oh my goodness hello! So I deleted my insta app. Since you’re mostly on there and I’m mostly on here we don’t really see each other much :(.It took me far too long to realize but I kind of sounded like an ass in our my last dm’s on here so. Very sorry about that, I didn’t really realize how my words sounded at the time. Honestly you were among my first inspirations for moodboards.

@ladyluck852 Hey bub! I haven’t seen you around much but I hope you’re doing well. You’ve seen a lot of my blog and I hope you’re here for a lot longer.

@mixtapejoon It seems like you started @/chulobangtan again so I think you’ll see this. I love reading all your stuff and since it seems like you enjoy writing so much I really hope you get the chance to again. With all the crap that went on with that guy and your school I hope you’re doing better now.

@peachy-bangchan I feel like I don't talk to or about you enough which is an issue I must remedy immediately. I didn't know how popular you were when you followed me so I didn't properly lose my shit. You've really been here for a long time and never once have you stopped supporting me. Thank you, I appreciate that more than I could ever put into words.

@luvhannie Moodboard queen Anna! You’ve given me so much inspiration for moodboards. Motivation, too. I remember when you said you liked my moodboard, I felt amazing for like a week.

@queerjunhui I just remember being so intimidated by you (still am lol) because you were friends with so many cool people. I think I sent you an anon once as Emotional anon? Maybe that was a dream or something. I started a conversation with you once and I’m pretty sure that was before we became mutuals, interesting.

@middle-of-a-wonshua-sandwich Your URL will always be a mood lol. A lot of your more recent stuff has been Monsta X and non-kpop related but you still follow all my weird bullshit.

@stray-kids-stuff My first official stay mutual! You’re such a darling and I’m glad I found your blog and that discord. I hope you’re doing at least a little better now.

@han-jxsungs I clowned myself as ao3 anon that was fun lmao. OMG I just looked and ROSE HELLO MY DARLING ANGEL. If you didn’t get my last ask, just now it was super sappy and gross. I’m glad you’re back but if it gets too much again, don’t hesitate to leave.

@gryffindor925 lmao hey Aaykta what’s up. I don’t think you use tumblr because wow you must be tired of all this kpop shit. I forget you follow me most of the time. If you ever thought I was curbing my tags to seem less weird at some point it was because I see her in real life and thought that me freaking out about this stuff was super weird. I actually had a dream last night I found your secret kpop blog.

@finn-shitposts I honestly didn’t connect this blog and your art one until after you were revealed because I’m dumb. You seriously made the most amazing thing. Pun + Jilix, gah that was seriously amazing, and when I think about it I smile.

@pikachulein Even though I had several very popular blogs follow me before you were the first one I seriously like, panicked about. I have an official offer for you. Feel free to decline because time zones are crap but french learning buddies?

@ult-bee So we met in a discord server but I feel like I left it? I honestly couldn’t tell you what server it was though. Sorry, boo. Love you though <3

@dreamsevens You made the cutest Junhao drawing ever. You were such a sweet lil anonnie, too. We haven’t really interacted but I see you, boo.

@jihan You’re both such lil sweeties! Honestly just a wholesome jihan blog, would recommend. Loved being an anon even if it was just a little while.

@nerdynerdynerdy Iyoniiiiiiiii! You’re just the sweetest lil babe and I feel like I need to protect you.

@visualgiggles I don��t know how I didn’t see you before we were platonically shipped, but I didn’t. I’m really glad that happened though, and that I had my brief anon stint.

@3rachad Clowned the hell out of myself and revealed as CB anon (who I still am because I’m cowardly and dumb). Love the new hair cut bb.

@0hyja Ya seem super cool but also. You called Park Jisung rat boy and I don't know if I can truly forgive you for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ jkjkjk. I just feel like you don’t like me. One day I’ll get over that and send some asks or something.

@nanjaemin I always forget you’re younger than me because you talk exactly the same as the other people on here. You baby. Love you darling, don’t let those give you shit.

@ethereal-lix I so often go to send you ask games and then forget entirely. I will make a better effort to interact with you!

@soulclub My first aroha mutual! I really like seeing all your edits and thank you for co-creating the idea of Aroha Village! I’m trying to write a kind of tour thing for it but it’s not great so. This is embarrassing but you and Bex kind of meld together. I don’t know what it is but the best reason I have is my terrible memory.

@cherry-seungmin My stay host(?)! Wow going to your blog is such an explosion of happiness and Seungmin I love that. It felt like ages ago we were freaking out about Miroh teasers but it was actually March.

@ultkyu You were my lil stay anon! I feel bad that I haven’t made anything for 99kdh. It might take me a little longer yet but I will do it.

@uwujpgs Heeeeeey Bex. I don’t really know what to say :(. Actually. This is embarrassing but sometimes you and Rae just meld together. I don’t know why and then when I get you mixed up I feel bad. But yeah. Stay safe and know I’m figuratively sending you nice candles.

@jinniesmeow I’ll be honest I thought you didn’t like me at first. It sounds dumb but after I joined skzrequests you didn’t follow me so I was just like ‘:} ok.’ I want to honestly apologize because I was kind of ignoring you in the kakao chat. I don't have a reason/excuse for that. An official question for you as well. Feel free to decline because time zones suck but be my unofficial french teacher?

@staytion-nine Pitchfork anon! I have no idea where the anon name came from. I was pretty surprised when I saw the post about you getting a tumblr. Overall you’re just a little dol and I hope to know you better.

@kimwoojin-s I thought I was going to cry when you followed me istg. I’ll talk in the TGS chat. One day, eventually. Take care of yourself and try not to burn out lovely.

@bbywooyoungie We have interacted exactly 0 times (i’ll send an ask soon, promise). Scrolling down your blog I now notice we have mutual mutuals. I don’t understand how I didn’t see that before, but ok brain sure.

@re-biirthday Anyone who organizes an anon event is automatically a sweetheart in my book, so there you are. I really liked that sketch you posted today and I hope you’re doing well sweets.

@xiaocity I saw you in others ask boxes for a loooooooong time but only followed you recently for some reason. Yeah, you just seem super dope and I’m glad we have something in common. Even if it is finding our bias intimidating lol.

@luvjisungs I’ve only seen you around recently but you are an absolute darling. Thank you so much for helping me out that night, I really needed it.

#i feel bad that a lot of these are so short #i just wanted to include everyone #ugh i reread some of these and they're disjointed as fuck #but idk how to fix them #i'm sososososo afraid i messed up somebody's name or something #uuuuuuuuuuuugh posting and then closing tumblr and running away looool #mutuals 🌠

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comicteaparty · 4 years

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February 22nd-February 28th, 2020 Creator Babble Archive

The archive for the Creator Babble chat that occurred from February 22nd, 2020 to February 28th, 2020. The chat focused on the following question:

How do you deal with people shipping non-canon ships for your story?

Deo101 [Millennium]

To be completely honest, I've only had one person ever ship a non canon/endgame thing. I kinda just ignored it. I think I would in general just ignore it, no matter how many people did ship a non canon thing. But it does make me uncomfortable

carcarchu

I once had a professor tell me "once you release your story to the world it no longer belongs to you" and i think he was right. once your story is shared with others it can no longer be said to be solely your creation anymore. you can't stop other people from shipping non-canon ships and even if you want to discourage it it's kind of beyond your hands at that point. other people's interpretations of your work is something you have to accept as a creator even if you find it unsavoury

Tuyetnhi

this is always in the back of my mind so uh, I let folks be and try not to search up fandom pics of my comic. at the US at least, I remember reading that creators who are currently writing/creating a story and it's not up to completion, anything like viewing fanart or reading fanfiction of alternative interpretations is not advised. So you have to stow it away till the story is thoroughly done, then you can just check out what fans are doing rip. I think it's aimed towards creators who have like NDA thing they're working on or if they're working with a publisher. still, I thought that's an important thing to keep in mind.

though I do get folks send me like single character fanart and really doesn't interfer with the story anyway so I accept those lmao

carcarchu

@Tuyetnhi that's for creators to not get sued for having their story turn out similar to people's fanfics

Tuyetnhi

aahhh :0

still er lmao. if the possibility is there, I rather not uh.... seek it lmao

especially like shipping fanfiction of my characters when the story isn't over yet lmao

eli [a winged tale]

I totally agree carcarchu. Readers can interpret character interactions through their own lenses and sometimes what we as creators intend in the story may be seen as a potential ship to varying degrees. I actually just had a conversation about this within my beta circle where a friend who hasn’t seen the whole script shipped a non canon pair and it was interesting! I personally don’t feel disturbed by it unless the pair had a large age difference/can potentially be unhealthy etc. There is a threshold I won’t cross but that tends to be quite high. Otherwise I just think it’s interesting and continue the actual story

Eilidh (Lady Changeling)

I haven't come across this with mine yet, but given that my story is deliberately non-romantic and the whole cast is aroace, I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone shipping any characters romantically. But that's very specific to my comic.

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

To me, there are four levels of "non-canon" with regards to shipping. 1. You were supposed to ship this and get disappointed, so good job. The obvious example is the Mizuki-Cahe-Pejiba love triangle. Mizuki x Pejiba doesn't work out in the end, but it's not like it was a non-viable ship - if Mizuki x Pejiba wasn't compelling at all, it wouldn't have been much of a love triangle, now would it? 2. Didn't think of it myself, but I get the dynamic you're going for. One surprisingly common ship in the shipping contest poll was Taci x Coruby, which isn't a ship I was deliberately teasing... but, like, I get it? Coruby is outgoing, loyal, and makes lots of dad jokes. Taci is prickly, self-absorbed, backstabbing, and was (is? probably is) literally afraid of dad jokes. I can definitely see why people would want to see more of that dynamic. 3. ...Why? An example of this is Zaxaty x Mr. Enetoro, which showed up in the poll. Even ignoring the bad age gap (22 vs 50 which is like... all right... she's half your age but ok...) and the sexuality incompatibility (Zaxaty's only into women, Enetoro's not into anyone)... these two have literally never spoken to each other either on or off screen. Literally what drew you to this pairing??? Like I'd almost believe it was a mis-click on the poll over anyone actually thinking these two work together. 4. Bad, bad, very very bad. AKA "they're related", "one's underage", and/or "i know exactly why you want this ship, and I don't like it". For a while during the shipping poll's running, the third place ship was Mizuki x Nothing. First off, the age gap there is pretty gross, but I guess I can't expect readers to know that (Nothing is an immortal demon, but relative to other demons it's a kid so... someone's underage there). And second... I know exactly why people were shipping Mizuki with the giant demon that uses tendrils to mind control people, and I do not like that dynamic.

As for what I do about the ships in #3 or #4... so far, nothing, because they've been contained to the poll. If someone drew actual art of them, though, I'd probably tell them to stop, and I for sure wouldn't post the art on my fan-art page.

kayotics

I don’t have a very present fandom, at least in the sense that there’s any amount of shipping that’s unexpected. Or maybe it’s tucked away? I think the people who read my comic aren’t ones who make their own content. Either way, I’m pretty ok with shipping non-canon ships. I’d encourage it, really. I love the idea of people having fun with my characters in a way I didn’t expect. As for ships that are taboo... as long as they’re not hurting real people, I just don’t want to see it really or be made to be part of it. It would make me uncomfortable.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Yeah, how pushy/not pushy they are with Weird Ships is a big factor for me as well.

As long as they keep it to themselves, they can ship all the ships they want, no matter how icky. I'd prefer to not know if it's really icky.

So far there is only one Potentially Viable ship in my comic, though. And that Viable ship is very, very important to me. So if anyone ships one of the involved characters with someone else, I would seriously hope it's not because I've failed to develop the Viable Ship in a compelling manner. People are free to ship whoever, but don't let that be because of my own failure as a storyteller?

I've actually had anti-shippers against that Viable ship though lol, which may be relevant to the topic. What do you do when you get vocal anti-shippers of canon ships

I do think it is related, like another variation of "people sticking to their own thing with regards to ships."

kayotics

As a shipper: any crack ships I come up with is usually just because I like to explore the dynamic. Some people are more extreme about hating ships but... idk it’s probably just because they don’t like one of the characters for some reason

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Believable crackships can be a lot of fun to observe, as a non-shipper. Like I look at this amazingly well-written crackship and I'm like, wow, this is sorcery

sagaholmgaard

I haven't had it happen yet (my comic is less than a year old and doesn't have a lot of followers haha) But I'm really open about shipping! Much like @kayotics I would probably encourage it. I'm personally aroace and in my original writing I like to explore non-romantic relationships, but I know the appeal of shipping and tbh i ship my own ocs that aren't canon to the story/don't get explored in the comic because they're background characters for whatever reason. It would be genuinely fun to see if other people started exploring those ships on their own! Or things I haven't thought about! If something made me really uncomfortable, I would likely ignore it. If someone tried to get their non-canon ship to become canon that would be worse, no matter if i personally liked the ship or not, lol.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Yeah, people need to respect boundaries, always

kayotics

Yeah, definitely. It wouldn’t make me uncomfortable unless someone was trying to break into my personal boundaries

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

It doesn’t happen so much currently with Phantomarine, because I just don’t have enough shippable characters yet (related, underage, or otherwise just kinda squicky). I wonder what will happen when I introduce more. But as long as people are interacting with my characters in a fun healthy way, but still respect my choices in the end, they can ship away in any (legal) direction. It’s honestly not a ship-heavy story. It’s far more about friendship and healing and rebuilding strength/trust after trauma - if any shipping were to happen, it would probably be in a sequel or continuation when everyone is... feeling a lot better

DanitheCarutor

Depends on the characters. 90% of the time I don't care, I may even make jokes. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to see my hideous characters getting together, although there are two things that would make me a little salty. 1. If there is a scene going on that I want readers to take seriously. Such as if there is a part in the story where someone is overwhelmed and having a mental break down, then another character comes over to help calm them down. It would be kinda rude to get a bunch of comments screaming "KISS THEM!", "KISS NOW!" Although that could just be me being a stick in the mud. 2. Anything involving Julian. They are currently not mentally stable enough to properly consent to any romantic endeavors, so when people try to ship other characters with them it's a little... eeeeh! Kinda non-con, and it feels a little gross. I try not to get on anyones ass about these, realizing no one means any harm, they may not even be full aware of the situation. (Especially with Julian since they're still functional enough to talk to people sometimes and hold down a job.) Normally I leave the comments be, they just kinda irk me sometimes.

em.rowene

Honestly, I think I'd be flattered to see more fan interaction with Fractured Magic. Even if it's a ship I don't really get, it would just be nice to know people are engaged with the story and like my characters enough to interact with them beyond just reading (though this answer's definitely coming from a place of having been publishing it only half a year and not having a huge readerbase yet) Someone making fanfic with my characters is actually a major goal of my writing, but I agree with the above people who said reading it before the story's done probably isn't a good idea. I don't think there's much legal risk to it (I actually wrote a major paper on this in law school) - there's only been one case even remotely analogous in the US. Someone wrote a Rocky fan script and sent it to the writers, and then the next Rocky movie had a similar plot and the person sued. The judge said if you make a derivative work (like fanfic), you can't sue the creators of the original copyright for infringement. But I do think it would be bad form bc it is really easy to be influenced by stuff like fanfiction of your own story, even if you don't mean to be

Mei

Thankfully I haven't had to deal with people shipping my characters from MHIAC with anybody else. But that's mostly because I've only actually introduced the two main characters, who are husbands, and one friend. I think it'd be super interesting to see how people view the character relationships once I introduce more of the cast. I'd be really curious too! I mean, I don't want people to try and break up the canon couple that's for sure... but I guess all the side characters are fair game for shipping if people choose to. I'd honestly be super flattered if people shipped any of my characters, it would feel like I'm doing something right. As long as there's no NSFW stuff because boy that'd make me uncomfortable.

chalcara

Shipping‘s fan stuff and just for fan, as long as you do it in your own space, go hog-wild. Have fun! Not gonna watch/read/view it, but have fun! People taking their headcanons as fact for the main-comic might end up a problem, but I‘ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

So far, I've only had people ship the canon main couple, so I haven't had problems yet. But honestly, I don't care who the readers ship for the most part, unless it's gross and/or illegal. For example, if they are related or underage... Other than that, I don't mind. It's all in good fun

Deo101 [Millennium]

I actually wanna add on to my comment: non canon ships only make me uncomfortable if they go against the Characters sexuality, or if it's an abusive ship or illegal. If it's not one of those then it doesn't bother me! My Characters are generally friends so I totally get someone wanting to ship two who won't be endgame

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I dunno. I just can't be bothered by stuff like that for multiple reasons. 1) Most of my characters don't talk about their sexuality in the comic. 2) Because of setting and time period, everyone expects everyone to be straight (which of course isn't true). 3) And I don't think readers typically mean anything bad by shipping people with each other that won't be together (again, unless it's gross or illegal).

One of my characters, for example, is aroace, but he doesn't even know that's a thing, because sexuality and mental health is not understood in this time period. So of course he hasn't mentioned that he's aroace at all. He is married to a woman, because of societal expectations, so likely he will be shipped with her. But their relationship is horrible, and it was definitely a marriage of convenience. So if readers decide to ship him with other people, I can't fault them, because they simply do not know.

Him being aroace is only in the subtext and in my heart.

Deo101 [Millennium]

I make my Characters sexualities pretty clear, so I consider it akin to homophobia to want to see my gay man with a lesbian

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

In your case, it's definitely a bit different, because you have made it obvious.

Capitania do Azar

Too bad @Deo101 [Millennium] i am preparing problematic ships right now (no I'm not)

I don't care about what people would ship, and I would be curious as to why people think this or that pair could work it's a very interesting way to see how people are interpreting the story and the characters

Deo101 [Millennium]

LMAO

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I'm definitely scared of people shipping incestual relations in my comic, because there is a situation where characters are related, but it isn't known to the audience (yet)

And I really don't want that mistake to be made

Deo101 [Millennium]

Lia/luke shippers before the last star wars movie came out...

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Yep

I'm like... soooo nervous right now

I can just feel the bad ships encroaching

Capitania do Azar

If people don't know can you blame them?

Deo101 [Millennium]

Yeah I think it's only bad if the ships persist after it's revealed

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I can't blame them, but I just don't want to think about it

sagaholmgaard

ack, good luck cronaj! I wanted to add that when it comes to shipping and canon sexualities i'm the same boat as you cronaj. I have my own idea that my main characters are pan and ace respectively, but it doesn't come up in the comic and they don't have the lingo for it during this time period, so I can't blame readers for making up their own headcanons and ships

I have comic ideas that are a lot more centered around sexuality and getting into a relationship. If i ever make them happen I'm sure I would mind a lot more it people's ships went against the characters' canon sexualities

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Lol, haha, I also have a pan character whose sexuality isn't revealed in comic XD

Like... A little bit of subtext, but not explicitly said

FeatheryJustice

I actually don't mind people shipping things in my comic that is non canon, because it just proves people read my comics. I myself love crack pairings and dumb things, so I treat their ships like crack pairings. I think an example in Teasday was someone joking about shipping Vander with Spyder, two characters who never met and I was like "Haha that's funny." Because it just proves they read my comic to even know the names at least.

Capitania do Azar

They never met but... If they did

FeatherNotes(Krispy)

I've had more readers want to date the characters themselves then ship them with another character, so it's hard to have a solid thought on how I'd feel with ships so far That being said however, i don't really mind ppl shipping as long as it's respectful to me and the readers boundaries. There's been people honestly wanting more interactions between characters that aren't shippable in my eyes, so i most likely would advert them if i saw ships i didn't agree with. That said, go wild!

Kat - The Yuri Canon

I get a lot of non-canon shipping, mostly because there are so many possibilities. Mostly I allow it, as long as they don't get too extreme or overly sexualize my characters. But I did have to stop some when they kept insisting my Ace go out with one of my characters. I finally had to say it just wasn't happening.

sssfrs (JOE IS DEAD)

Its never happened to me, but if it did that would be fine I guess. I’m not about to change plans in how I write the story to spontaneously put characters together unless there was good chemistry maybe

I would be happy overall that people were engaging with my characters on that level

Cap’n Lee (Flowerlark Studios)

I have only had one single ship comment in the 14 years I’ve been doing webcomics, and it was over a decade ago. But it was also an intensely uncomfortable one, where a reader was trying to ship my 14yo gay character with an adult female villain. Needless to say I put the brakes on that right away, and have never had a ship comment since.

But secretly I wish readers did occasionally ship my adult characters, because so long as they don’t get toxic, I think non canon shipping can be fun. If the reader doesn’t demand their ship be made canon or fight with people shipping a different pairing, I’d be all for it.

Ash🦀

Honestly I would love to see ships. I've never really had an audience for Foxes with Machine Guns, so seeing people care that much? I think I'd just be grateful. TBH I cried when I got a comment so someone having a whole ship? Of My OCs?? I'd probably end up sobbing like an idiot. They're all adults, ship away, you have my blessing.

Nutty (Court of Roses)

I personally love shipping, and in regards to my comic, I'm excited, but also nervous. I have a main ship that I push myself that so far a lot of readers have been really receptive to (Merlow/Nocturne <3). I also have a few more ships coming up... but in the meantime, I like to see theories, but I worry that either a) the ships I end up with will make folks unhappy, or b) folks will ship things that ignore a character's established orientation. Like, it's fairly clear Diana is a lesbian, but I already had a casual suggestion from a rl reader of her and Merlow getting together and I'm like. N no. No please. Please, just let them be besties, they will be best friends I promise but Merlow is not a lady.(edited)

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

See, I don't care about people having ~gross~ ships. I might not want to hear about it -- and if you expect it to become canon, you're probably out of luck -- but if a reader enjoys imagining or exploring it on their own time? I'm not gonna police them over that.

Just because a thing is illegal to do IRL, that doesn't mean it's illegal to imagine it or write about it. (If it was, I'd be in a whole lot of trouble...)

...not that it's really come up, since with my comics it seems like most people are happy to go with the canon mostly-healthy ships anyway, but.

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Same with shipping against orientation -- if some reader wants to imagine an AU where the character realizes they've been bi the whole time after all, why not? The canon representation you wrote is still there. It's not gonna be compromised or erased unless you write that happening.

(And if the reader's imagination is more like "everyone is actually straight and some people, including these characters, just get temporarily confused"...I mean, at that point they have waaaay bigger problems than which webcomic characters they like to imagine kissing.)

kayotics

I think I gotta agree with Erin here. I’m not gonna police what people want to imagine. It’s not my business. They can do what they like in their free time.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I assume most of "I don't want X" folks mean "I don't want to see X." I can't even imagine policing what people do in their own time! I mean, what are you gonna do, be like the NYC library parking sign?

(That sign is real and I have seen it)

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

"I don't want to see X" is definitely true for me

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Yeah, any time someone's clear that they mean "I don't want to see X" or "I don't want readers telling me about X", that's a different story!

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

And if said illegal/gross ships are perpetuated on the internet, I'll probably try to step in

ESPECIALLY WITH UNDERAGE CHARACTERS

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

...see, that's getting back into "policing what random people do with their free time" territory.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I WILL FIGHT YOU

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

um, there's a difference between things you do on your free time, and things you post where children can see

it's an important distinction

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I specifically have one character who is a small child who I do not want to see in ANY romantic situations

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

I mean, we don't have psychic filters on "check this box to confirm that you are over 18" filters, so in theory "children can see" just about anywhere...

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

unless, of course, the character is aged up significantly

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

And cute ships with young characters having crushes on each other have been around since forever.

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

oh young characters having crushes on each other is one thing

but there are far worse things on the internet

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Yes

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Right, but we're talking about "shipping" as a general thing, which includes the cute crushes.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I don't want any weird pedo crap

keep that aaaaawaaaaay from my characters thank you

Deo101 [Millennium]

on the subject of what people do in their free time, it's pretty obvious that I can't control what people are doing but that doesnt mean I support any free time activities.

I'm not gonna say I'm okay with adults shipping adults and children even if they do it where no one can see

like they CAN and I can't stop them but I wont say i'm okay with it just because I can't control it

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Sure, but, we're not talking about any "free time activities" -- we're talking about people using their imaginations. That doesn't cause me any harm. And if nobody ever sees it? Geez, plenty of people have waaaay darker thoughts than that in the privacy of their own heads.

Deo101 [Millennium]

I think it causes harm to how they interact with the world, though. and just because it could be worse doesnt mean it's okay

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

If they are interacting with the world in a specific harmful way, that would be a thing we can discuss on its own merits!

FeatheryJustice

I feel like if you police people from not doing something, they want to do it more.

So by not drawing attention to it, it might be a better move? For Ships, if someone ships something you don't like, don't draw attention to it kinda thing?

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Also true!

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I think "I won't say I'm okay with it" and "I will actively make an effort to police it" are two very different things?

You can definitely have this... area where the distinction isn't clear

FeatheryJustice

For example, if someone is like "Don't draw this character as X because I don't like it" People might do it because you said something?

People are weird, I wish they will listen to author wises but not everyone will.

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

I mean, yeah, but "I won't make an effort to police it because that would be physically impractical" is also different from "I won't make an effort to police it because that's not my job."

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Well, if they do that, then they are an asshole(edited)

because they aren't respecting the creator's barriers

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

@FeatheryJustice Not spreading ideas you don't like in the first place is a smart move, yeah. Put your energy into promoting and spreading the things that make you happy.

FeatheryJustice

Yeah! Promoting things that make you happy might be better. Like "I like the fact you guys enjoy drawing my characters" Something like that that's more positive

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Sure, they can do it, but if you do something like that, which is also illegal in most countries, then you are disrespecting the creator, the character(s), and the law

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Wait, what are people doing that's illegal?

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past) Today at 11:19 PM And if said illegal/gross ships are perpetuated on the internet, I'll probably try to step in ESPECIALLY WITH UNDERAGE CHARACTERS

FeatheryJustice

Oh yeah that's something different. That's just illegal.

RebelVampire

I'm just admin stepping in here to remind people to remain respectful. Cause this is the sort of conversation that can quickly go out of hand.

FeatheryJustice

Got it Rebel

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Doing bad things is illegal. Writing about bad things happening isn't illegal. (Again: I have written fiction about soooo many illegal-to-actually-do things.)

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I think there is a difference between writing about a terrible thing happening and putting it in a negative light and shipping pedophilia(edited)

Deo101 [Millennium]

I think writing about underage characters with the intent for sexual pleasure counts as CP

FeatheryJustice

I mean drawing and writing about murder is okay, actual going out and murdering someone is not okay. But I think for this context we are looking at something that is a bit more worrying.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

But I wouldn't want to read a story where murdering for pleasure is glorifed either

FeatheryJustice

Yeah, that's why I think context matters.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

and I frankly think media like that shouldn't be shared with the world

Like, i guess write it and stash it away on your computer somewhere

but don't show it to people

Tuyetnhi

i can hear the police sirens blaring from the sound of someone writing cp lmao

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Lol

FeatheryJustice

Back to talking about shipping (Sorry I got this conversation derailed here), I think there will be people who will never announce their ships as well.

Or have it so open ended no one knows what's what.

And maybe we can brainstorm good ways to tell people we would like them to not ship certain things?

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Probably don't say anything unless it does become a visible problem

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

...I get that nobody wants to go into this too closely, and I sure don't either, but I also think someone should say -- legally speaking, a work is only CP if a child is harmed in its creation. If there's a living, human victim. Conflating that with other things is not beneficial to anyone, and can itself be hurtful to survivors.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Honestly, I don't feel the need to warn people not to write inappropriate ships about my underage characters, because it should be common sense not to do such a thing

I really won't say anything about it unless someone actually posts it on the internet

Tuyetnhi

rip I hate to burst it but under us law, even drawn cp is considered illegal

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I think it depends on the country

but in some countries, yes, it is considered CP

RebelVampire

But see that brings in the complecation of international law. If an artist is in the US but the fanartist is in say Japan where they have a much different relationship, whose laws apply?

Tuyetnhi

it depends on the site host i think?

like if it's a US based site

and there's CP there, it's under US law correct?

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

the fanartist can't be be punished if they live in a country like Japan where that's legal, but I would still try to contact them and ask that they take it down(edited)

FeatheryJustice

(I wasn't talking about CP in my post I was just like if you don't want these two characters to be shipped together what can you say? Didn't mean to spiral off like that sorry)

RebelVampire

But it might only apply to US citizens. For example, some sites specifically alter themselves so part of their site follows European GDPR laws but tell the americans they suck

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

But that is also the difference between law and site terms

the person might get banned from the site but not sued

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

I can't speak for every country, but it's genuinely not illegal in the US -- and, yeah, I don't know why a general discussion about shipping had to go this far either! You don't need to go right to the most disturbing possible interpretation when thinking about hypothetical shippers...

RebelVampire

Yeah. All my point is is blanket saying its illegal just cause it is in the US is inaccurate.

Deo101 [Millennium]

also morals =/= law, and a site is allowed to say no to that even if it is legal

they are not owed a platform

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

Individual site TOS can be stricter than national laws, yeah.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

@Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn) I think the reason people discuss the worst case scenarios is because those scenarios are precisely what they have issues with, as opposed to other kinds of non-canon ships

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

@Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn) In my case, I mentioned it because that's where I draw the line with shipping. Other stuff, no matter how much I disagree with it, I don't really care enough to do anything about it

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

I get that people have those lines in their heads, but when you don't describe the distinction, when you talk about "shipping" as if "everyone should understand that I exclusively means graphic photorealistic sexual content"...that's a big leap to make!

Tuyetnhi

@Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn) agreed but er.... I still do believe that the US has a law about drawn CP being illegal. it's something that I found out when I had to help a friend out from a situation (I won't go to details rip)

but yeah it's a big assumption lmao

I know shippers in good faith won't try to push that onto others

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

And it seems unfairly harsh on any shipper with literally any other interests or activities.

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Honestly, even if someone only commented about a ship with an adult character with a child character, I would still ask them kindly to delete their comment, or delete it myself

Tuyetnhi

^ye

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

It doesn't have to be a visual representation for me

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

And when you're talking about your own website, I think setting rules like that is completely reasonable.

Deo101 [Millennium]

again, I wont say im okay with it even if it's only in someones head. Just cause theyre not sharing it doesnt mean I'm okay with it

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

If I have the power to remove their comment or report them, I would

but if I don't, I will ask them to refrain from such comments

That's all the power I have

And as @Deo101 [Millennium] said, I also don't have to agree with people's filthy thoughts

Deo101 [Millennium]

I understand they can think them and i cant do anything about it but i wont offer support for it i dont think

RebelVampire

As a reader, I want to second that it's important to distinguish what you mean when you say you don't tolerate specific ships. Obviously, no one think pedophilia is okay and that would be a fine ship to not tolerate. However, if all you say is you don't tolerate specific ships, readers will also jump to the worst conclusion possible, which in this context is you don't tolerate anything that is non-canon (vs. what creators think is the worst possible conclusion when they hear non-canon).

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

see, this sort of thing is exactly why i have four tiers of "non-canon"

Deo101 [Millennium]

please elaborate!

Tuyetnhi

4 tiers? :0

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Oh yes, definitely

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

i mean it's in my post a few days back To me, there are four levels of "non-canon" with regards to shipping. 1. You were supposed to ship this and get disappointed, so good job. 2. Didn't think of it myself, but I get the dynamic you're going for. 3. ...Why? 4. Bad, bad, very very bad.

with more detail explaining specific ships that ended up in my poll that fit into each category(edited)

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Even if stuff is noncanon, or goes against a character's canon sexuality, I don't really care, because fan AUs exist

and it's pretty hard to offend me

mostly the pedophilia thing is the only thing I'm passionately against

So yeah, #4 is the only place where my hair stands on end

Deo101 [Millennium]

oh sorry I did read that but I didnt realize thats what you meant by the tiers ^^;

Tuyetnhi

its helpful!

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

It is indeed

I read it before, and I still find it useful

I'm sure #1 and #2 is where most of the WotP shippers will reside

And there will definitely be a few #3s

FeatheryJustice

That's very useful, the tiers XD

Erin Ptah (BICP | Leif & Thorn)

@RebelVampire absurdly late, I know, I just wanted to second that "obviously, no one thinks pedophilia is okay" is really important to keep in mind. No matter what anyone says about any kind of shipping -- people should be able to feel comfortable that nobody's gearing up to call that into question. We're all on the same side with that one.

spacerocketbunny

There's a few characters I'm a little protective over regarding their sexuality, but most of the characters are bi/pan so it's pretty free game! I'm so here for random crack ships honestly

Capitania do Azar

Get ready

AntiBunny

Personally I enjoy seeing what random ideas fans come up with. It's all part of being a creator.

meek

lmao i'll try to get one comment in before the discussion closes As a creator, a lot of my feelings about shipping is related to how I am as a reader/audience member for media? Character dynamics and relationships are one of my favorite things + what'll usually hook me for a series, and definitely exploring relationships that either didn't receive any attention or were completely non-existent in the original material is one of my favorite things to do! And that'll inspire me to create or make certain choices with my original characters based on that "Well, what if [this] happened in that story?" So with that, I don't find myself get super-attached to canon/endgame ships and I'll just do my own thing, regardless. I always respect the original intent when it comes to character's sexuality or preference (unless it's a case of 'everyone's straight' lol), but I'm a rabid multishipper in fandom anyways so I'll carry that energy over to my own works LOL And let it be free for all, even if I have an 'end' goal in mind. After all, I'm the biggest multishipper for my own characters too!

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

>I always respect the original intent when it comes to character's sexuality or preference (unless it's a case of 'everyone's straight' lol) @meek Just for the sake of argument, why do you respect the characters' sexualities unless everyone is straight? Personally, I don't mind sexuality swapping in fan ships and such, but I do wonder why there is this specific stipulation for you.

meek

Also input as a reader: sometimes it's good to be completely upfront about where your boundaries are as a creator! And also being explicit about certain character details or relationships can help, because a lot of times readers don't.. really know.. I can't tell you the number of times I've started reading a comic where the ages of the characters are very ambiguous with: - specific ages are never said - the art style is stylized in a way that unless they're explicitly a child or an elderly person, everyone looks like they're the same age - the context clues on their age is limited to.. they worked a minimum wage job - in-story they are treated with the same level of respect and authority status as everyone else around them - characters that are older than them that act the same age and that's led me several times to thinking a character was at least 18-23+ and actually they were supposed to be 14.....

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I assume it's for the same vein of reason why we don't have a Straight Pride Day. This is getting into the weeds though, so I'm very hesitant to approach further

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Sure

meek

The short answer is that there's no harm in adding more gay or trans representation to a work of fiction

but erasing canon gay or trans representation to make it cis or straight is bad and homo/transphobic

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with respecting characters's sexualities or messing around with possibilities, but it just seems rather... odd

meek

also just straight up it's complete white-washed fiction that LGBT or POC did not exist in history until [convenient time here] so acting like you're being "historically accurate" by exempting them is just.. bad

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Well, depending on location, that would be incorrect

But again, I'm not particularly upset to see "straight" characters depicted as gay(edited)

meek

well i'm a queer nb person so i've encountered innumerable works of fiction where everyone is straight, cis, and white so i'd much rather diversify that then perpetuate it

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

You're not wrong about there being a numerous amount of straight, cis, and yes, white characters in media

But I feel like it's destructive to society as a whole to suddenly decide to be more courteous toward LGBTQ+ groups than toward straight people

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

This is getting too political for me and I feel it could get out of control quickly

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Maybe it is political

You don't have to participate

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

It also feels off topic

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

But I think it's important to politely discuss it

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Maybe not in this channel specifically

meek

i'm going to be honest, i feel incredibly uncomfortable to be asked to continue this conversation

if you want to talk more, then write a DM but this has nothing to do with the main part of my comment or the topic for this channel

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

If you feel uncomfortable, then I respect your decision not to continue this discussion

I've said my piece

Spring-heeled Jack

Jumping in before this closes: I'm not there yet but I'm in the camp of "whatever floats your boat!" If someone ships my characters I think I'll be flattered that they are that invested in them to have those feelings. But also I'm super new to this and the only comment so far is my friend jokingly saying she ships herself with one character.

Ash🦀

I'm in the same boat as Spring-heeled Jack- the idea that people would even be invested enough would be flattering, yes. It would be really cool, but I doubt it will happen since there's a limited cast and it's not a romance. I do have personal ships, but since romance isn't a factor, shippers... Just won't be canon, kinda no matter what they ship. Maybe if my story was more romance-centered I'd care more, but as it is... Do what you want, it's not going to hurt my feelings if you think Ren and the Oni would be a power couple or whatever.

kayotics

I’m just gonna pop in here and say this: shippers making queer content of (presumably) straight characters is a large part of how I figured out I was queer, because for the most part (especially when I was younger) that doesn’t exist in the public eye.

Spring-heeled Jack

My comic isn't romance based, it's horror but I feel that really good horror is best built off characters you can connect to. So I have some families. I have some married couples. The older two "children" (they are in their 20s) are dating. I made one of my main non-binary and their partner is ace. Another main is a transman. In my heart my characters are all pan anyway so I like just putting them with who I think works best lol

I also low key ship one of my married characters with another character that is coming in later. I do enjoy shipping so I might be biased lol

Deo101 [Millennium]

my comic is pretty romance based, it's not a romance but there are pretty strong romance threads in it, and my characters arent all pan so I feel differently, so I do see why you would feel differently than me on this subject!

Spring-heeled Jack

I can also respect a creator having an idea for a character and not feeling comfy with people going different directions with it.

Ash🦀

Oh definitely- How individuals interact and feel for their characters varies from person to person.

Kabocha

I don't mind people making changes for shipping purposes or shipping non canon stuff -- so long as they don't expect me to change my writing to suit them. And like Snuffysam, I kind of have similar tiers for ships, too. I don't want to (and can't, really) control what other people do, but I'd prefer that if a reader knows it's going to make me upset or something I've expressed wishes against, that they not share it with me. Besides, if what I'm writing doesn't meet their needs, I'd rather see shippers search out, celebrate, and elevate work that better matches the values they idealize in pairings. (and trust me, romance is FULL of it if you look. :D)

Spring-heeled Jack

I thought about my only canonically het character that I have (I only rp him now, I have a comic planned for him down the line) and even with him all I can think is "if someone wants him to kiss a boy, I super don't care."

Ash🦀

Wait, hold on, have people actually asked to change the story based on who they think should get together? Is that a thing people do? (Forgive my ignorance, I’m not really a fandom person? I’m p shy and keep to myself)

FeatheryJustice

I seen it happen. Which in itself is pretty rude soemtimes because people get angry if their ships aren't canon kinda thing

Ash🦀

Oh my. Thank you for the warning then, I’ll keep it in mind. That’s very rude! Would probably fill me with spite, to be honest. The “well now I’m not doing it” haha. I’m... disappointed but not surprised this happens. Still, it won’t change my mind. XD

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

I have run into more than one person who hyperfixates on a ship (in any media, not just comics) that's... honestly, truly, never going to happen? Like, a main character crossed with a background character who had no lines and showed up in a single scene. That sort of thing. Then they implode/explode when it doesn't become canon by the end. If it happened for my own work, I don't know what I'd say. Apart from telling people not to put all their eggs in one basket, I guess I fear that kind of manic fanaticism.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Wasn't that the reason behind that infamous blackmail incident, the Voltron one

or am I mixing it up with a different fandom?

Spring-heeled Jack

Looking at fandoms in general, there are people that get over invested and become possessive. It's a shame.

Deo101 [Millennium]

the fact that it could be more than one fandom says a lot, i think :P

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

yeeeeeah ugh

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

If it's not, I'd still believe it (edited)

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Also the needle in the cookie one (though this was given to a fan artist who drew a ship they didn't like, not the actual author)

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

Hoooooooly hell, I feel like I remember that, but not specifically what it was for. NIGHTMARE SCENARIO.

Deo101 [Millennium]

thought that was because they didnt draw a character fat?

again, the fact it could be multiple things

hugely concerning

Spring-heeled Jack

Just, please, never take consumables (food, drink, ect) from strangers.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Yeah, I think the "you didn't draw her fat enough" was a different one

Deo101 [Millennium]

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Scary world we live in -_-

Spring-heeled Jack

There are people who get too invested in things and don't know how to process those feelings. Be smart and careful, but don't let those people stop you from making your comic, art, fanart, or anything.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

ngl, I'm honestly legit scared. Not quite terrified but lowkey fear in my mind... I'm not at all active in con circuits, etc. so I don't think any physical harm will happen to me, but I do worry about potential online harassment.

Deo101 [Millennium]

Me too, to be completely honest

Spring-heeled Jack

Conventions are usually really great. I've been at some for about three years now and everyone has been so kind. Online, however, is more of a concern because people can post anything, it's easier with that distance.

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

Even with a low likelihood of something happening, common sense is definitely good. Don't take food, have a buddy nearby, have an 'out' if you feel uncomfortable. But yeah, cons seem to be lovely so far. If anyone causes trouble, staff usually does a good job wrangling them

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

Yeah, I've had great experiences at cons for the most part. A few creepy people that camped out at my table for a bit longer than comfortable, but otherwise it's been great

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

Oh yeah The campers. They mean well, but man... they CAMP.

Spring-heeled Jack

I get a lot of lingering people and returning people,. but only once so far did I really have someone just stand there and block others. But he was a bit older and was putting his change in his wallet from a sale, so I didn't want to say anything

Cronaj (Whispers of the Past)

I love the people who return! I usually get people returning the next day to buy something (or to buy more stuff). Those people always seem so invested in my work.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Yeah, it's more the online stuff I worry about

o(-<

Deo101 [Millennium]

me too, I've been real lucky to have people mostly be very kind but theres always new fear with new readers, or every new thing i introduce that someone will be mad about it

Spring-heeled Jack

Lemme clarify, returners are okay, but the ones the are weird and linger and block the booth. That makes me a little stressed out

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Oh man, Deo, I can feel those fears in my bones.

Deo101 [Millennium]

ahahha a bunch of new people show up and youre just like thats a lotta people who could be pissed at me huh?

I had someone get very upset with me over something once, in a way i never imagined someone would, and im coming up on a scene I've been planning for like a year now which canonized my characters trans identities, and I worry some people will think i am hmmmmmm doing a bad job

or not the job they want

Spring-heeled Jack

Forget them. Do what you have planned!

Deo101 [Millennium]

yup! but if people do get very upset with me I will still be hurt, even if I think I am really doing the best job I can

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

hard same

I won't bend my story, but I sure as hell will be hurt

Spring-heeled Jack

I understand. I worry that my queer characters aren't queer enough, but then that's a worry I have about myself IRL, sooooooo, I get you

Deo101 [Millennium]

someone once got upset with me over that ;) so i worry about it too

Spring-heeled Jack

It sucks because the opinion of others both don't matter and SUPER matters

Deo101 [Millennium]

or, sorry, they said I was blase my bad

and yeah like, im gonna do what i want but it still sucks when people are mean about it, regardless

which ^ is kind of how I feel about this shipping topic. Im gonna do what I want but Id really prefer people not be upset over not getting what they want.

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

I think everyone's mileage varies on what 'the right representation' of relationships and characters is. Barring obvious no-nos, I don't think everyone will ever be 100% satisfied. I do very much dread that one person coming into my comments to tell me "You did this character/ship wrong, thus, you are a bad writer, and probably a bad person - gonna write an article about you now kthxbye" At that point, I would just hope enough people come to my side to go "Um... no?" because I would definitely want to recede far into the nearest dark corner and think about what I've done

Deo101 [Millennium]

Yeah. when I did get that comment of someone kind of telling me off about how Ive chosen to represent things. I really kind of started... not overthinking, because I dont think that worrying about doing a good job and taking comments into consideration is BAD, per se, but I started really worrying about whether or not i DID do something wrong. my friends came to my defense, which was very nice, and the person did actually end up changing their mind and kind of rescinding their comment. I think places like this and having people that support you to back you up when stuff like this happens is really important

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

It happened to me and it did absolutely suck. I'm genuinely unsure I can take another one if it happens again

Deo101 [Millennium]

yeah idk what I would do if someone went... that hard..

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

I think there are some reactions that not even sensitivity readers could predict. Like, things that are so out of left field, but also still make a bit of sense if you really, really stretch your brain? Arguments that would make for excellent thesis papers someday, tbh

Spring-heeled Jack

:( I'm really sorry it hurt you that much, Keii. I know I can say "don't let it get to you" all day but you will feel how you feel when someone pulls that kind of stuff. I hope it doesn't happen again and, if it does, I hope it doesn't hurt you!

I hope it helps to remember that there will probably be many people out there that see your work and see the characters and go "That's me!" or "I feel seen!"

Spring-heeled Jack

We get a new topic tomorrow, yeah?

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I think so

Spring-heeled Jack

Nice!

#ctparchive #comics #webcomics #indie comics #comic chat #comic discussion #creator interview #comic creator interview #creator babble #comic tea party #ctp

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hewwo! i was wondering if u could pls give me some advice on starting my transition? ive been so scared to start bc of family and costs but ive decided to just. do it. yknow? like if i don't ill probably die lol. u look amazing and rly confident in yourself in all ur selfies and one day i wanna be Like That ✌️❤️

hi! ok, so first of all: yeah, i absolutely can give u advice, and second of all: i remember feeling exactly like you did. it literally wasn’t that long ago, either, it was like. 2013/14/15 (i can’t remember, time is fake, whatever lmao!). third of all: bless u yr so sweet. i still have a lotta issues with confidence (i doubt myself, my talent and what i can do literally hourly), but honestly? i love my body right now. it’s a good, genderless body, goddamnit.

long, long post ahead bc i’m trying to think of things i did and good god please take it with a grain of salt because a lot of this is just me ranting about things i wish I’D done in my own position. i’m also coming from a place where HRT and surgeries AREN’T free, so that’s also A Thing. everyone’s experience is different.

transitioning (particularly medically) really super fuckin varies country by country (and honestly probably even state by state, age by age and fuckin gender by gender because cis people won’t let us fucking BE goddamn): i don’t know where you are, so my only tips there r: find a trans friendly doctor/endo (i was kinda forced to go through a hospital bc That Was How It Was here in good ol’ Australia), and one people wholeheartedly recommend, if you wanna go that route.

my first point is make sure you find safe spaces in every goddamn aspect of your transition. medically, socially, physically. if you think your doctor is refusing you treatment or is discriminating against you, you NEED to ditch that doctor. if your friends and family are really verbally or physically violent against LGBT folks, you NEED to leave that space if you can (or not come out and wait until you can leave. seriously. i’m kinda lucky– my grandma was verbally violent against LGBT folks, and initially my mum was skepitcal, but i convinced them both to go to a group for LGBT+ parents and friends and they slowly turned around). get yourself friends, get yourself allies.

i cannot stress that enough. my first doctor refused to send my referral letter to the royal children’s hospital gender clinic because even tho he presented as a “nice” guy, he believed that because this was “”””out of the blue”””” for me, he figured he’d just Not Send It (and tried to tell me that a lotta kids there didn’t actually helpo, lol). so there i was, a young 15-16 year old alister, waiting like 2-3 months for something that didn’t even get fucking sent.

join trans groups on facebook and in real life. seriously, they’re a godsend; there’s buy-and-sells, advice posts, encouragement posts. ESPECIALLY local ones. most of them on facebook are private, meaning no one can see if you’re posting/in the group, and it’s easy to check if they’re not. these fb pages + local groups are good ways to find trans friendly spaces and doctors. i found my current doctor, who’s actually one of the very few doctors who knows what the fuck he’s on about re: trans people, through a real life trans group. they were like “oh, you should see x”, and even though he’s about 30-40 minutes away from me, he’s brilliant and honestly saved my life.

along those lines: figure out what you want from your transition, and then realize & accept that this may change (and it also may not change!). very early on, i was super insistent that i wanted phalloplasty and to wear packers, and now i couldn’t care less. at first, i identified as agender, and then as a trans guy/ftm, and now i identify as a Black Hole (i’m kidding, don’t @ me). like, a lotta people DON’T change their minds. but i did, some people do, and it shouldn’t be anyone’s business but your own what you want to do with your body

(sidenote: this also goes for detransitioning or stopping medical transition but continuing to socially transition/present differently. literally, it’s fine. it’s your body. fuck anyone who says otherwise.)

again: FUCK ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE.

your body is literally your body. do NOT let anyone tell you what to do with it or who you are. i had people very early on scream at me (legitimately scream and throw me out of home, thanks grandma), tell me i wasn’t actually trans, and harrass me for this shit: but frankly, if i’d put myself back in the closet, i wouldn’t be alive right now. i would’ve killed myself years ago, and i wish i wasn’t kidding. if it’s safe, you need to stand up for your own body and your rights and put yourself somewhere that will allow you to follow through. you need to keep going and keep living.

my only other two pieces of advice are “patience, baby”– like, for real, every single part of transition takes time. this varies from where you are and who’s supporting you, but it’s generally true. it takes time for people to accept new names and pronouns

(lotta people get furious about this, and i used to be one of those people, but hindsight’s a bitch and you gotta realize that… like, it’s hard for some cis people. you gotta give them a little bit of wiggle room, especially if they’ve never ever met a trans person before. it’s about reminders, reminders, reminders: which is SO hard if you’re not safe/don’t have the confidence. there IS a flip side to this though: if chad and stacey have known your new pronouns for months, now, and they keep “””slipping””” up, they’re not slipping up, honey. they’re doing it on purpose. kick their teeth in i’m kidding please don’t do this you know what i mean.)

it takes time for HRT to kick in. it takes time to gather a Look™ of your own you like, it takes time to build confidence to even tell people, it takes time to save up money for surgeries and it just… takes time. sometimes because it’s a naturally slow process, sometimes because cis people are Cis People and like to gatekeep. i remember being very young in my transition, sitting in the car after one of my appointments with the afformentioned shithead doctor bawling my eyes out because he’d told me i wouldn’t be able to access t for x amount of time and it was bullshit. this year i’ll be 2 years on t. wild, huh? there’s a lot of us and not equal amounts of resources (ESPECIALLY in public systems) depending on where you are, so you gotta be prepared to WAIT.

i’ll tell you what super helped me through those years: hyping myself up for other things! i still have the ticket from my first twenty one pilots show. that show meant SO much to me. i cried all through it, because waiting for that show kept my mind off of the wait for my royal children’s appointments (and even waiting to go up to melbourne bc my mum and i would go and get kebabs was a good thing to focus on!). keep things that aren’t trans related on hand (seriously i struggled with this because dysphoria and shit is fucking hard!! it’s easy to say but really fucking hard to put into practice).

(one day i’m gonna tell tyler and josh just how much they saved my goddamn life. i know they hear it weekly, but i will.)

my other thing is that uh. it won’t solve all your problems especially if you’ve got mental illnesses. this is a really fuckin depressing thing i had to drill into my brain, but it really helped. transitioning solved SO many of my issues. i no longer have back issues (thanks, like, literal kilo titties, lmao), i no longer have sore ribs and i can breathe and wear shirts. i lost so much weight (and am kinda gaining it back, but whatever). i no longer have anxiety about whether people can tell i’m binding– which is WILD because i used to stress the fuck out about it to the point where i never went out anywhere. i used to sit on the bus wondering if the person next to me could tell i had titties. now it literally doesn’t even register.

my issues now stem from PTSD, depression, BPD and ADHD. how do you fix this? you don’t. but what HAS helped is finding a therapist who won’t pressure you into talking about trans shit. lemme tell you: this shit gets exhausting after the fifth time of “oh i googled ‘can you become a boy’ when i was, like, nine” (this is my go to story because this memory is so vivid). of course, there’s gonna be moments where you HAVE to: my therapist recently actively asked me to briefly run through it for my PTSD report. but otherwise we literally haven’t talked about it and that is a GODSEND (because i don’t need it. if you need it, that’s good, too!). having a therapist that you can just wordvomit at wrt anything is literally the best thing and can be super helpful– seriously, there were a few trans-related sessions where i just snarled about the bullshit gatekeeping and the bastard i had to see for my therapist letter (oooh, every time i think abt the fact that it was something like $400-500 for two fucking sessions i get so mad lol), but outta 14 it’s really only like 2-3 of them.

but yeah. that’s it. i dunno, these are things that i’ve learnt and sorta… like to think as helpful for myself. of course, this could be different for you: you’re not me, you’re entirely different, in no doubt an entirely different country, social, financial, mental state. i was FUCKED UP when i first came out. i didn’t know that then, but i do now. i spent a lotta time by myself and that’s not healthy, so i really encourage you to reach out to our community, local and worldly, because oh my god, we’re here for you. we are SO here for you.

#long post #sorry if you need this formatted for ease of reading please shout at me. i really word vomited all over this #my transition #trans #anon #asks #iodk what else to tag this as

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pinkletterday · 6 years

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Oh thank God they aren't waiting till shit goes down to brief Team Flash.

LMAO Iris "what the newspaper says some shit? That's like Tuesday for us, bro."

Seriously though I'm tired of Iris being "tough". The best thing, maybe the only good thing, about Season 3 was that she was allowed to be soft and vulnerable and scared and sad. We badly need to roll back on this stoic tough chick trope. LET WOMEN BE EMOTIONAL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

I miss Soft Princess Iris. :(

SINGH. I missed Captain Singh. He's like Barry's number one stan. "You got an intern working a crime scene without going through any hiring protocol whatsoever, Allen? Good job!"

Incidentally how can you "hire" interns if you don't pay them?

So. Now that we've seen a man become compressed into a block of meat, can we have some PG 13 post-coital Westallen nookie? This show's attitude to sex is so fucked up. Shishkebab people 96 times per season but zero hints of a sex life between a loving, committed couple.

Nora, I love you but you may actually be worse than your Dad at showing up to crime scenes with flimsy excuses...*flashes back to introductory episode on Arrow 2x8* nvm

That block of meat is making me hungry. Need breakfast.

"Please stop caring about me" LOL

Ralph is sort of growing on me. Granted, so could fungus.

Okay that was mean.

I really hope Barry also tables his family drama for five minutes to be there for his best friend. Caitlin and Cisco keep being deprioritized since S2 - S3 and its grating on me. Be there for your friends too, Barry.

Excuse you, going to Thailand and painting your toes is a great way to get over a break-up. However, I strongly advise against any drastic hair decisions.

Oh. Poor guy. Be gentle, Mad Dog West-Allen

(Get it? Mad Dog Lane? TNAOS? Ok then)

I do like when they show civillian casualties. It makes what they do seem more impactful.

Is Joe on paternity leave?

I like these West family subplots. Joe and Cecile are v cute.

Cecile reading the mind of your child without their consent is the opposite of being the perfect parent. Wait till she's out and raid her room for drugs like everyone else.

Barry is like me with teenagers. "When I was your age it took five minutes just to connect to the internet and your search history turned up on your phone bill shut your gob."

Oh Nora. *facepalm*

Idk why Barry always calls his villains out. He's a speedster with the advantage of surprise. Its stupid.

"Denser than people who still believe in love." I feel you so much Cisco.

I see the CW is still forcing us to be minutely acquainted with people's chins.

SERIOUSLY just let Barry take five seconds out to give Cisco a comforting pat on the back Im so tired of this.

LOL Barry you're giving Nora math homework? That's just harsh.

Lmao Cisco is getting Anne Hathawayed HANDS OFF THE HAIR BRUCE. **proteccs lush beautiful Cisco curls*

"Does that mean you think there's something wrong with me?" NO BABY YOU ARE THE MOST PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL

"You cut my hair I cut you" YOU TELL HIM

Oh. Oh my. Oh.

I have never been so attracted to Cisco Ramon before. Clearly I have been a fool.

Heee she raised her hand. "But Dad, I wanna punch stuff!" Most precious bean.

Errm pretty sure your Dad killed the Sand Demon, Nora. I don't care about DC's no-kill rule but that was not his finest moment.

Lmaoooo welcome to fatherhood, Barry.

Maybe a stern little talking-to wouldn't hurt at this point.

Whenever she says "Dad" my insides melt a little more.

Okay, Barry and Iris need to draw some hard lines between their professional lives. The investigative journalist cannot just waltz into her husband's CCPD lab and look through his laptop. Literally you could have done this at home instead of the lab. One day they're going to be accused of evidence tampering.

Shit like this takes me out of a scene unnecessarily.

Barry: "NORA ISN'T LISTENING TO ME SHE THINKS SHE CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS BUT SHE CAN'T, NEMO!"

Joe: *internally laughs himself stupid*

So this is why parents want their kids to reproduce. The sweet, sweet karmic payback. xD

(Fourth grade? Barry came to live with them when he was eleven. Also pretty sure Barry kinda hated Joe for a while what with having arrested his Dad and being traumatized. I can see him hero-worshipping Joe a couple of years later maybe.)

I can't get over how hot Cisco is. Bruce better not have burned his iconic t-shirts tho.

Aww, Caitlin. That sucks. :( I know the theme this season seems to be fathers and daughters but you should really talk to Iris about absentee parents who faked their deaths.

No seriously this is a great bonding opportunity for them! I need to see a solid friendship between the two main female cast members so bad it's been four seasons please throw me a bone

Oh, step twenty seven is hitting me hard too. I think I might actually like Ralph soon.

Okay, real talk. Yeah the superficial stuff can't distract you from the truth that your relationship tanked. But that whole cry on your couch for two weeks, get away to a seaside with friends, getting a makeover, buying new clothes, redecorating your living space - these are also rituals of grief and helps you cope till you get enough emotional distance to deal with reality. Superficial stuff is what makes life bearable, okay?

The other thing is to give relationship advice nobody asked for

Moving on.

I love that Cait and Cisco are always there for each other.

Awww Barry's showing Nora what a fuck up he truly is loool.

Oh my God. Season 1 Barry. "Sometimes for people with our abilities the most impressive thing is restraint." WE HAVE COME SO FAR. I'M LOVIN' IT! *prouds*

Yessss Iris being as smart as the nerd herd!

GO TEAM WEST-ALLEN!

Young lady, you roll your eyes at your mother one more time and we're gonna have words.

Kinda hate that in order to give villains a chance against speedster powers you gotta significantly bring the latter down several IQ points.

Baby got moves! Nice!

Barry! What about those moves you used to lay out the ARGUS guards??

This fight would be more impressive is I could see jackshit. Lighting, people!

Hmm. Did Cicada just have a "Save Martha" moment?

Nora is so scared and worried for her father, poor babb.

YES MARVEL REFERENCE!

Wait, so they got their powers back?

Y'know he didnt have to vibe that to realize the obvious next step is confronting Caitlin's mother.

Actually that sounds like respiratory problem. New villain - Halitosis.

Oooh Future Spoilers Girl knows who Cicada is

Aaand that's a wrap folks.

Ngl I had hoped for more "West" in Team West-Allen but this was a solid ep.

Please have Nora call Barry "Dad" as many times as possible k.

#the flash #the flash spoilers #liveblog #the flash 5x2

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negamicchi · 6 years

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I have been re-watching Once Upon A Time and boy do I still love this show. And boy, am I starting to remember why I ditched this show, oh god. It started off as the best thing ever but now? Eh. Mind me, I’m right now on the Neverland arc and I stopped watching right before season 5 finale so I don’t have any clue what’s happening right now on the show, but I still want to make a post to bash it cause hey I have no life. So, my problems with the show so far are:

- They killed Baelfire. Seriously, the premise of the show aka the first curse was created so that Rumple could find Bae. His motives were based on the fact that he wanted to be reunited with his son. And then they killed Bae? Well good job ruining one of the best characters on the way, because after that Rumple’s character has just kinda... been there. Idek maybe if I gave any fucks about Rumbelle I wouldn’t mind but I don’t, so, yeah. (Please don’t get me wrong, I did love the ship when I watched the show back then, but nowadays it just makes me uncomfortable. They should have left it at Skin Deep. That was good.) Oh yeah, also Bae was a good effin’ character so, meh.

- Too much Captain Swan. Sorry, folks, this is just my honest opinion. Again, I do not hate this ship. Well, I did when I first watched the show but it has kinda grown on me, even though I like Swanfire more, but I do like the chemistry between Hook and Emma. Just that... After all that Captain Swan stuff, Emma’s character went from 100 to 0. She isn’t the badass savior tiger mom who loves his son more than anything. And Hook? He lost all his charm for me when he became a good guy. Also, because I love the family relations in the show more than the romance, I think all this CS fanservice just takes too much time for things I love to see.

- Not addressing horrible behavior. Seriously, wtf writers? The characters have done so much shit that is never addressed. Regina raped Graham many times. Zelena raped Robin. The whole premise of Rumbelle is Stockholm Syndrome. Regina was a very abusive mom. Belle can be just as manipulative as Rumple (like, with the dagger thing for example). I get the redemption thing, I really do and I love it, but seriously, you cannot just address some issues and let others just be.

- They killed Hades. That was the reason I stopped watching the show. Like, I really fell in love with Hades, ok. I love the Disney version of him and the original mythology, and the character in OUAT was a wonderful combination of the two. He was a really great character with so much potential and they gave us the best romance ever aka Zelena and Hades and then... poof, gone. Also you literally can’t kill gods wtf

- The fact that no one cares about Rumple. Like. Um, What? I know he’s a huge dick and a villain and all, but he has helped the Charmings a lot in the Enchanted Forest. He has saved their asses multiple times. And during the Neverland arc he redeemed, truly, and saved everyone and sacrificed himself. Then he lost his son and was kidnapped and tortured by Zelena. And no one (except Belle) came to look for him. No one cared. And after that everyone still treated him like shit. He went through so much, probably got PTSD and loads of traumas and no one even invited him to a family dinner or even asked how he was. And then everyone was shocked when he turned evil again. Mind you, Regina has done far more shit to the Charmings but she’s ok? Like... what the hell? This is the thing I’m the most salty about cause... What. The. Fuck. Give Rumple some love and get him a proper therapist.

- Forgetting nice storylines and characters. Nova and Dreamy forever in my heart. </3

- The lack of representation. Ok, I’ve heard that we have some POC cast in the show and that we have a girl couple, too, so points for that, but still... It’s so infuriating to watch two and half seasons of a show full of queerbaiting only to get one scene where Mulan wants to confess her love to Aurora but leaves the scene crying.

- Robert Carlyle’s haircut. Rest In Peace, floof, I still love you.

- Too many damn curses what the fuck.

- Regina and Rumple apparently became a thing for a while. I watched a few clips and I’m traumatized for life.

- Henry became kinda meaningless after Neverland arc. (I still love you boo).

- Rumple didn’t get a song in the musical episode. I’m not there yet, but what the hell is this fuckery? Ok I understand that it would be really damn hard to sing while in character, especially when Robert Carlyle’s singing voice is so sweet and wholesome so I guess I forgive that. (I love Hook’s song, though!)

- The Dark Swan arc. Also Frozen arc. Also Merlin. Wtf all of that was just shite.

I guess this was it. Now I’ll be trying to catch up so that I can watch at least the final episode on time. Jeez, I’m already scared for seasons 6 and 7, cause they seem so... weird. Lol.

Oh right make Golden Hook canon 2k18 pls.

#anti ouat #anti once upon a time #negatext

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hello people from old and new! naomi is back in action with her son jerome. i’ve been stuck in my sisters house for the last weeks of my absence because she went on vacation and i had to take care of a sick rabbit who peed everywhere. i might have a disease now at the amount he bit me but what can you do. im joking. you might ask “but naomi doesnt your sister have wifi” yes she do but i’m an anxious wreck so spending my days on a first floor apartment with my sister on the other side of the world w an infected foot had me fucke d upppp boiii but now i’m back in my own home and my sister + her boyfriend are safely home!! foot all fine!! and everyone is calm again!! so!! i can return with a good heart. i’ll be sliding in the dms of the people who bear emoticon’ed me 600 years ago and bc i suck w introducing myself to new people i’ll just hi!!!!! i think when i wake up i’m gonna do a “bio reading” marathon as i write bc i need to appreciate. also shit i need more threads wow i suck might see me replying to some open starters and def need to get back to plotting bc there are some people i’ve been dying to thread with ;^;

its like 6am now so i might b heading 2 bed now but under the cut there will be a reintroduction to jerome (one i promised in januari i believe) as im rewriting his bio (no major things change really its just minor things nd its time for an upgrade) so yes! hello (ims will come tomorrow as well ;3;)

also fact. mullet daddy jaebum is jerome rn dont drag him dont @ him its gone before you know it. probs after idolized its a look tho wow i love- a chic farmer (... the short bangs are tragic tho jerome honey i kno u liked them on wren but ur not wren. jerome: but i- me: no. this this not this jerome: :( ok fine me: fuego

anyway before i pass out here is reintroduction. the triggers are; adoption, racism themes??? like yeah ok!! apologize if this is shit. hope everyone is having a good day though you all are great!

Jerome Gauthier aka Yuddy

-Anti idol

-Has an okay reputation but that’s because he’s smart about things.

-BC eyeing him tho *eyes fake friends with good reputation for him to hang out with* (hmu for fake friend plots. funny the person w the best rep of all actually likes jerome. bless jisoos christ. guess that praying on knees worked out in the end huh jerome. /dont/ sainthood is waiting)

-Talented™. (ask him to write songs for you) (Actually have a few songs in my library i want him to write but not sing so *eyes*)

-Passionate as fuck don’t mess with him in the studio (passionate all over tbh)

-Adopted and in search of his bloodlines

-Hoe but not really

-Actually, scrap that. Nicknames him JerHOEme

-Is actually lovely

-But acts like a shit

-Slips up and is soft to people sometimes before being a complete and utter asshole the next second

-bc soft jerome whOMST i only know deMON

-Suave Fuckboy who’s nonchalant about everything

-French™

-Will call you baby at some point in your life

-Signature smirk

-Egotistic???? Narcissistic??? a lil bit don’t stroke his ego

-Secretive™. not much info on his time in france

-Secretly a dad without children (except for his actual biological son insoo aka chorizo sausage who he goes to play ball with- i mean work on songs in the studio. seriously catch him picking up his son from soccer practice i mean shit no i mean- ok insoo is really his son dont fight me on this.)

-And also has a daughter an Oriental shorthair cat called Edith who he is so soft with he kicks out girls to cuddle with her. (one meow and he’s home)

- we support WISH hating jerome in this household. please people who have girls in WISH dont let them like him (or be a rebel and go against the mothers wishes but you’ve been warned)

-Dont let him get in your pants too like ask wren you dont want that (or i mean with the list of kinks i peeped maybe idk who am i to say what your muse wants or does not want idk im just protecting people from satan)

-Unlikely he’ll get in any pants now anyway tho bc he a proud shopper at papa juliens pizza and y’all some other brand type ish domino lookin asses NAH *throws hands up* rome’s in the house (no but guys. this is his soulmate THIS IS HIM. dISgUStiNG- )

-In 2016 interview took him out of context and it looks like he hates all idol rappers but is not true. He just doesn’t like companies making rap out to be like this thing you can do if you’re pretty and you can’t sing and he doesn’t like it when said pretty idols know nothing of it. he gets the grind but will side eye (benjy nd jerome already have a rivalry bc of this shit thank u interviewer)

-Dating scandals?? EHH. He almost had one with a Japanese model called Momo in the beginning of his career but BC did well of spinning them as friends and he legit had one with his ex last october which?????????? shit she touched his *spoiler* and it was *spoiler* . BC about to ban him from fashion shows damn. yoonah and him have to go to paris fashion week quick

-BC has yet to force him into a relationship tho. but damn he gonna be angry when that ever happens yoo.

-Studied to become a cinematographer. Now is annoying as fuck during recording MV’s bc he butts into everything (BUT thats why his his mvs so AESTHETIC. eye for beauty bois)

-Holler at ya boi if you want a nice mv he’s involved like that

-Also to the girls who have been in an MV with Jerome.. know he probably flirted with you between takes bc during he’s grade a professionalism but he still a ho

-Actual catlady no questions asked (he feeds stray cats and gets cut up by edith when she smells other cats on him rip)

-Actual wife material no questions asked (to quote the great Halit Yilmaz during that time Jerome stood in the kitchen for hours making baklava and other Turkish treats for Halit’s Eid al-Fitr: “Shit, Jerome if you were a girl i’d marry you in a heartbeat.” and its true. we would ALL marry jerome. who says no is lying. )

-Smooth™

-Ok the ego thing btw its weird its an act but hes weird about it dont ask

idk what else to write ok short rundown of his bio as again i’m writing a new one and i cringe every time i look at my old one. im probs forgetting a lot but EYO ITS 6AM WHO CARES

CHILDHOOD age 0 to 10

-Born to a single mom who got fucked over by a smash nd dash dad. (we side eye Ok Chanwook in this household.)

-Moms family discouraged her from taking care of him herself so putting up for adoption it is.

-Very emotional not ok mom boram cry a lot pls. (got v angry too like boi if she ever sees chanwook again he can change his name to no dick larry)

-Adopted by a French couple called Lucas and Daphné (previously named Annelies). pretty kool peeps

-JK racist assholes who fetishize jerome a lot. PLEASE. the yellow fever runs deep. take him away from them,

-Raised in a small town in France and knew 0 Asians growing up. so thats nice

-Loves his adoptive grandpa to death tho (who’s he named after u3u)

-Actually hates the rest lol

-Ok uncle Rémy pretty cool bc he laughs at teen!Jerome shit talking his parents and aunt Camille. She a sweety ;3; a bit odd but a sweety #stanauntCamille

-Basically the people on the Gauthier side and born from Jerome and Clemintine are ok, the rest is shit (except for his dad Lucas. He a Gauthier but he shit)

-Junior/Senior relationship w granpda ;3; “Pépé!!” “Junior!!” *tiny jerome swings around grandpa’s neck* LOVE

-Grandma passed when he was 9. (he loved her very much and would always show her his drawings on her bed ;-;)

-Hard time adjusting at first when he was a tiny toddler. had a lisp talking french. ;3; baby rome

-young jerome had a bad case of the abandonment issues he literally held onto his dads leg for like 30 minutes before the teacher finally peeled him away from him. my smol boi

-Elephants. remember this. is important. /sob

-TLDR; biological mom didnt want to loose him. adoptive parents and dad are fucks. grandpa is kool. jerome had a good childhood until he didnt. thank u ignorance

TEEN YEARS age 10 to 20

-middle school very nice

-j FUCKING KKKKK EMO JEROME INBOUNDDDD

-kids are mean. teens are mean. young!jerome v lonely

-honestly he had no friends. except for like maybe this one kid on his sport called mattheo but he kinda a weeb so uhhhh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

-the time comes that he feels uncomfortable with everything korean. he already learned korean along side french and english when he was growing up but now distances himself from further learning. he clings to french culture a lot and even to this day he refers to himself as french and european, and rarely refers to himself as korean or asian.

-feels disconnected from both though. its like.. his parents took his korean culture away from him by using it for their own amusement. it was not his to have basically. and french- a lot of people around him give the vibe he’s not “allowed” to call himself fully french. they see him as korean, korean-french but never just french. he feels very misunderstood. lack of identity and just not fitting in

-around this time (or earlier i’m musing still) his cousin Antonin (moms side) kind of fell out on him. like. wow. not good. fucked jerome up a lil. (issues intensify)

-inferiority complex inbound/ is he ok? no he isnt. he starts writing to get his emotions out.

-Blessed Freddy rolled in teen jerome’s life like: guess we need to do history homework together jerome: aren’t you gonna make a ‘do my homework bc you’re asian’ joke freddy: why would i jerome:

-they bond over music, freddy is the one who gets him serious about getting into it (we thank our lord freddy for this gift of life we call singer/songwriter jerome. pray to freddy 10 times a day *srry jisoos christ but ur out*)

-literally young jerome would be a great soundcloud artist in this day and age. he was like joji meets rei brown with more of an rnb tinge. he liked ambient because it calmed him.

-in his old bio thats still up bc im a slow writer his old name was some dumb shit like l.only DUMB its romeles now (get it.. jeROME LESlie gauthier. im smart)

-OK IM GONNA GO QUICKER NOW

-eMO FOR A LONG TIME BC OF LONELINESS AND OTHERING FREDDY IS HIS BEACON OF HOPE WE LOVE FREDDY IN THIS HOUSEHOLD!!!!!!!

-had a big ass fall out with his parents when he was around 15? was like “UHHH FUCK Y’ALL” and moved in with his grandpa (he was very disrespectful like damn boy but you know what. i support)

-best decision of his life because grandpa v lonely after his wife died and Jerome^2 is… so soft.

-Jerome dancing/singing to old tunes and being engrossed with old movies

-Learning how to cook ;3;

-I mean bc his middle and highschool were in Laval he spend a lot of his time w his grandpa already so he already had a bed and ;-; #jerome^2

-Halit rolls into his life. Braces, huge smile, lil prepubescent stash ohmygod. My child.

-BLANC is born. Freddy/Jerome/Halit’s musical trio. Stan the Three Musketeers

-Found his first best friend and a purpose in Freddy. Found a home in Halit. (sob)

-Finds solace in rnb and hiphop. People start noticing him because of it. Writes songs and performs them in café’s. Found his niche. 15 to 19 where his “best” years

-THE BIG MOVE. After a concerned halit mom, a proud freddy mom and a “WHAT THE FUCK JEROME NO DONT GO” jerome mom they pack their bags and PARIS HERE WE COME

-Enter ex who haunts his life, Seo Yumi aka Marie (now model, v pretty, makes me cry)

-Spots her in the summer doing yoga in the park and boi he an assman so he got fucked up (jk he saw her face and was like wHAT love at first sight

-enrolls in film school, meets her there again and wow falls in love hard like wow calm down boy

-Dating~~~v possessive not good at ALL cALM DOWN JEROME

-ok he got his issues nd marie was the first one who openly listened to his problems and understood and made him appreciate his korean heritige bc she’s korean and showed him cultural aspects without the gross fetishizing that came with his parents and he just- he got intense ok. he already got a v intense personality so- still not good tho he needs to dial it down

-she thought so too and like after a year she was !!!! what the fuck. she is not one for serious relationships but jerome was like ehhh why not in the beginning its v nice to hear nd be seen as the most beautiful ok but then it got suffocating but instead of breaking up with him she kept him around. he a safe haven ya know. reliable. someone to built on later. *i wanna say she also didnt break up w him because his emo stories but marie,,, eh...* (funny tho like she got a thing for bad boys so she just “this is the fifth time you called me beautiful just degrade me lil like choke me idk” and jerome just “w-why would i do that you’re beautiful i dont want to hurt you” ah *looks into the future* ohhowthetableshaveturned.mp4 )

-Marie cheated on him the second she got the chance which was when jerome went to america w his bros

-Got offered a job as a songwriter when in ny. Wouldnt think he’d take it but after getting kicked out of school for beating the shit out of the guy marie cheated on him with and with marie out of the picture nothing held him back from starting a new life.

-TLDR; emo era. silver era. emo era 2 emo harder

ADULTHOOD age 20 to now

-Seoul make way for the rise of YUDDY™

-the name yuddy is from the film days of being wild. the character is kinda yuddy-ish too so he saw the film again and yep. thats my name

-Fuck_love.mp3

-Visits his orphanage. they like “nah boi u aint got no papers boi”

-Parents can give him access to his birthmother btw, aren’t doing it lol

-EMO

-Drinks. Sleeps around. Gets a reputation. You kno how it is. (gr8 ride tho. highly recommend. 5 out of 5 stars on yelp)

-SMASH ND DASH. Chanwook is that u??????

-One girl who he got with multiple times reminded him of Marie tho and that fucked him up for a bit (PSST ITS A PLOT WINK SO IF YA GIRL OF AGE IN THE 2013′S HMU BC ITS DRAMATIC HE GHOSTED THE SHIT OUT OF HER)

-Writes a lot of songs, a few for BC (knight baes). BC like *eye emoji* who dat boi who him iz

-Gets sign w BCreate and is like eyy life pretty good

-but lmao he debut and oh who’s that pretty girl promoting that lipstick?? oh.. its marie ;3;

-imfine.jpeg

-Joins main label and literally joins w a blessing stream limbo on spotify

-wgm era was a great era of jerome lmty his hair was great, shared cute personal things, manager was happy, slept with his best friend, was married to a sweet beautiful girl ya know the good stuff 👍 no im not crying you are

-triple fantasy era was awful we dont talk about that he looked like his brother and i’m still emotional about him wow.

-instagram is a great song

-Interviewer: u mention an ex in ur song tell me more Jerome: *SWEATS*

-Marie: my short hair DOES look pretty thank u babe ur red hair was cute too <3<3

-The fact she linked to him now is spook

-But ok he still flirty, still daring, still yuddy™ but definitely less of the whole “sleeping around” thing now bc he… he uhh closetoyou.mp3

TLDR; he turned into his dad but romeo is rising AND HE IS SCARED!!!!!

also never forget jerome is the messiest king in this ok non y’all are as messy as him. he fucked his ex’s friend oK THERE IS NOTHING MORE MESSY. dONT COME FOR HIS CROWN

#Writer Speaks.#ooc. { i dont want to reset the clock again it says 6am in this post its almost 7am i've been here since 4 i'm slower than usual wow }#{ almost 7 its 7.30 i got to stop ok }#{v sleepy now so!! goodnight talk to everyone in a few hours}

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