#pro ship discourse

[a-sentimental-man]

hate to break it to you all but the moment you say "oh you shouldn't be targeting people for writing about (insert controversial theme here), you should actually be going after the people who are writing about (insert another controversial theme here)!" you're directly advocating for censorship btw

#pro shipping #pro ship #pro ship discourse #i saw a post like this on my tl and it made me so fucking mad #like #bro. who are you to pick and choose what kind of writing is acceptable or not? #these characters are fictional. FICTIONAL. #proship #proshippers please interact #proshipper safe #q

[justanothersyscourse]

Hot Take

This will be my only post about problematic proship discourse, but I heard an argument for it, and I can't quite keep my mouth shut. Note that this post is referring specifically to problematic content, as proship can be defined quite widely. This includes content with minors, incest, assault, non-con, etc. TW ahead.

In regards to problematic proship content, I heard from someone that their friend, who has been working through some serious stuff in therapy, argued that it's important for non-creative people to still have access to problematic proship content for their own healing.

I would like to ask why and how it's helpful to consume that media, and in what way they find it "healing".

As someone who spent a very long time consuming and creating what would be considered proship content, I can tell you from experience, you're not healing.

When my therapist told me to write to help process some of my experiences, they told me to change the outcome, take control through the stories and explore my feelings on page.

Write it down, don't hold back, cry it out, change the story.

Of the problematic stuff I've seen from others (and in the case of some of my own content), it's either non-con in a consumer-pleasure way, with an additional problematic twist in age or relationship, or it's “consensual” with those twists, painting a happy face on a horrifying situation-- a situation that is impossible for someone to consent to.

If you're finding pleasure in that, or getting off to it, this post is DEFINITELY for you.

Like, genuinely, if I cut out some of the more messed up stuff, I might consider posting my new writing, but people looking to consume problematic proship media aren't going to enjoy my stuff. It's not what they're looking for, because they're not looking to actually heal or find solace in it.

They're not looking for metaphors.

We all know what they're actually looking for. I don't need to say it.

And no consumer would enjoy my new writing because it's literally horrifying to read the terrified thoughts of a 5 year old, or to read about my thoughts of anger and disgust during my violent SA. Healing content? Especially content that heavy? It typically isn’t for consumption.

THE THING IS.

Non creative people have access to other types of media to help-- bibliographies of people who survived and how they handled it, for example. Stories of people realizing they were problematic and how they bettered themselves.

Here's an idea.

Read a self help book instead of proship content.

Or get therapy, FFS.

If you're writing that content and posting it publicly, you're not doing it to heal or better yourself. You're doing it because you enjoy it. Don't lie. It’s an urge that a lot of survivors can get to reconcile and justify what they went through. I get it, and it should be safe to talk about that.

But it isn’t healthy.

Maybe get therapy and keep a journal through that instead. Even write a self-help book and put something good into the world.

Normalizing what you're going through, or have gone through, by creating and consuming public media that depicts proship content in a way that gives you pleasure (especially sexually) is not healing. Learning to get off to or enjoy something doesn't make what you experienced normal. You're just tricking yourself and continuing the cycle of abuse, because you become blind to the problem, you dull red flags, you risk falling into abuse again, and you risk turning a blind eye to others being abused as well.

This argument comes off like NOMAPs who claim they need the media in order not to offend. Bullshit. It doesn’t track there and it won’t track here. Get help.

And no, media doesn't count as help.

#syscourse #discourse #tw #tw proship #tw pro ship #anti proship #anti pro ship #anti proshipping #anti pro shipping #proship discourse #pro ship discourse

[amorisxx]

Not to discredit those who do use fiction to cope with trauma…but why has that become the only justification for enjoying dark fictional content?

Like I’ve never had a home invasion, but I like movies like The Strangers and When a Stranger Calls. I’ve never been targeted by a serial killer, but the Scream movies are literally my comfort movies. I don’t have to have been traumatized by violence or murder to enjoy fiction depicting it. And I feel like it should be the same for sexual content/sexual violence in fiction.

You think because I enjoy watching these dumbasses kill people and fall over furniture that I’d be okay with it in real life?

Hell no.

But I’m sure I don’t have to explain that. Because no one accuses people of secretly wanting to murder people because they watch slasher films.

So, why is it okay to accuse someone of being a predator/pedo for engaging in fictional content depicting sexual immorality or age gaps?

Do some sexual predators engage with this stuff? Probably. Just like some serial killers might watch horror movies. But the majority of the people interacting with this type of content are just regular folks who might have morbid curiosity or interest in the macabre. They don’t have to be coping with trauma or diagnosed with ptsd or an anxiety disorder to be interested in whatever fiction they’re interested in. Or to be allowed to have this interest without being called a pedo.

Let people enjoy whatever fiction they want. No special circumstances needed.

#rant #pro ship discourse #pro ship safe #anti purity culture #anti censorship #anti #anti anti #tw violence #tw sa implied #tw trauma

[dylawas-reblogs]

Found a most wonderful blocklist of anti-shippers on my Tumblr “For You” page ([here] if you also want to block almost 100 people in the notes) and like... a surprising number of these people are f/naf fans

Like... you poor dumb kids do know what the content of f/naf is, right? And that the characters you adore so much are child murderers? Not to mention the political alignment of the series’ creator?

Oh wait. That’s right. They’re poor dumb kids.

#antis are some of the most hypocritical and ignorant fucks I've ever seen #we need a shinigami eyes but instead of for pro-trans/anti-trans it's for proship/antiship #proship #pro-ship #pro ship #proshipping #pro-shipping #pro shipping #anti anti #anti-anti #antianti #anti antis #antiantis #anti-antis #antis #discourse #proship discourse #proshipping discourse #pro ship discourse #pro shipping discourse #pro-shipping discourse #anti-anti discourse #anti anti discourse #antianti discourse

[1merfairy]

How come people who read about fictional serial killers aren’t assumed to be pro-murder irl, but people who read about things like incest or rape are assumed to be pro incest or rape irl?

They’re both horrible things irl, but why is one not a red flag/indication of someone’s morals, while the other one is?

How is one different from the other? How does enjoying one in fiction, a place where there’s no victims, make someone a bad person?

Yeah, I get being repulsed by and/or triggered by the presence of sex crimes in fiction, but is that really an indicator of a person’s morals?

Plenty of people are traumatized by car crashes, so if a person reads something where a drunk driver hits the protagonist with their car, is the author really saying that they’re in favor of drunk driving? Or that they enjoy it when people get hurt or killed in accidents involving drunk drivers?

I get it if the only exposure to stories of rape and incest a person has is through stories meant to be more interesting than realistic, then people can get a warped view of the irl effects of those things.

But not all stories are meant to educate. Usually stories for adults expect the reader/consumer to come in with an understanding of what is moral and what is not, and then judge the characters accordingly based on their morals.

Maybe the solution is to instead educate people on the irl effects of rape and incest, so that they know how to separate fiction from reality better.

#proship safe #proship discourse #pro ship discourse #rape mention #incest mention

[garnet-xx-rose]

Yes, I’ve done the work analyzing this relationship’s problematic traits and I’ve come to the educated conclusion that I still want them to fuck

#Erik/Christine #phantom of the opera #shipping discourse #Entrapdak #poto #my experience with Entrapdak fits this too #I’ve done the reflecting #looked at the pro vs anti sides like a good academic student #and my conclusion is that they still have the stronger connection #therefore I’m going to enjoy indulging in them sucking and fucking unapologetically #you can not tell me otherwise

[bewareofdeaddove]

Once you start harassing people over their tastes in fiction, you've gone too far.

You should not be sending anon hate.

You should not be telling people to kill themselves.

You should not be contacting people's family members, job, or school.

You should not be sending people gore.

You should not be telling people that they deserve their trauma.

You should not be attacking people over liking something fictional. At that point, you're the problem. Not the person making things you don't like, YOU. Harassment is never acceptable.

#anti anti #pro ship #profiction #proship #anti ship #antiship #neutralship #neutral ship #ship discourse #fandom

[darci-tbh]

everytime I see antis call themselves punk I lose hope in the internet again

I don't know how to say this but policing people's right to create and consume any fiction they want AND advocating for the corporal punishment of "thought criminals" cannot and will not ever be punk. shut up

#proship #proshipping #proshippers please interact #shipcourse #shipping discourse #proship discourse #proship safe #proshipper safe #proshippers are valid #proshipper #comship #comshipper #comshipper safe #ship and let ship #pro fiction #anti censorship

[pilvimarja]

About to make myself a cup of tea and read a whole master thesis on the culture of anti-shipping in fandom spaces 🫖🧐👀

#anti shipping #pro shipping #fandom #discourse #I've wanted to read a proper study on the topic for a while now because the phenomenon is as fascinating as it is infuriating

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Saw a post of an anti saying that they are leaving AO3, as they are too uncomfortable to post their fics there now. The reason? They found out one of their long time readers was a proshipper, despite their fics having proship dni. And how "that includes silent readers too, I don't want you all looking at my content."

My brother in christ, you are posting on the fiction freedom site. The proshipping site. Dnis aren't god damn restraining orders. They are one tool in helping you display your boundaries. It's still on you to enforce your boundaries. You post something publicly, you forfeit your ability to regulate who can view your work. If you're obsessive enough, you can regulate who actually interacts with your work by stalking each person in the kudos list, comments, or bookmarks and then blocking snyone you don't like, but you do not get a say on who may silently read your posts. Not unless you private your work and only show it to specific people.

And if you don’t want proshippers to interact, get off the profic site.

#proship #profic #tw antiship #anti mention #antis being antis #anti harassment #anti censorship #ship discourse #purity culture #pro ao3 #rant

[el-sandwhichito-de-geto]

🥪🥪 THIS IS A REMINDER 🥪🥪

ANTIS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR TRAUMA!!

Please don't disclose your trauma to Antis as a way to make them understand your point. STRANGERS AND ONLINE DEBATES ARE NOT WORTH YOUR SAFETY AND METAL HEALTH.

Antis don't care about your safety and your personal life from the get-go, they only care about themselves and the victims who AGREE WITH THEM. THAT'S NOT PEOPLE WHO DESERVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR TRAUMA!

#yes this is 70% directed @ me #proship #discourse #profiction #proshipper #proship please interact #proshippers please interact #pro shipping #proshipping #proship safe #sandwhich rants

[count-horror-xx]

I actually like zutara as a concept, it's a ship I'll casually read fics about them sometimes.

it's just zutara fans are fucking delusional. Stop treating their Canon partners as abusive when it's the complete opposite. Especially Mai.

Aang isn't a misogynistic monk that forces katara to be his house wife. If he did katara would leave him in a millisecond. He actually cares so much about her. It's actually Canon HE cooks and accommodates his cultural food with kataras.

And Mai was literally ready to die for zuko. Even when they just broke up, she was ready to get electrocuted by azula if it wasn't for ty lee chi blocking azula.

I'm aware it seems like she doesn't care about him the way she's quiet and aloof but I understand where she was coming as someone who somewhat has similar tendencies of being a little awkward when trying to show emotions and it coming off as being uncaring or rude. But at the end of the day she really shows she loves him, so people saying she's abusive is completely inaccurate to her character.

Her bottling up her emotions was taught by her parents as she explains in the beach episode somewhat where she had to worry about her father's reputation all the the time, forcing her to be quiet as a form of behaving.

Personally I think her quiet personality fits with Zukos loud ass, especially giving him a reality check during the beach episode calling him out for being angry all the time and how he needs to keep it in check.

Zutara is a nice ship I agree but you can ship it without mischaracterizing tf out of thier Canon partners.

#prince zuko #atla zuko #fire lord zuko #zuko #katara atla #katara avatar #katara #kataang #katara of the southern water tribe #mai atla #mai avatar #atla maiko #maiko #pro maiko #avatar aang #avatar: the last airbender #avatar #avatar the last airbender #atla #character analysis #shipping discourse

[sals-sonic]

"You have to be mindful when it comes to your art and who could potentially consume it!"

I can't control who sees my art. That's a fact. By putting it out on the Internet millions of people could see it and there's no way I could control anyone's reaction to it, let alone be able to stop them from viewing it. If you think that is precisely why people should be mindful, let me ask you this: why should an artist (or author) limit and censor themselves on account of a potential and imaginary "bad audience"? I'm sure that no matter the subject of the art, whether wholesome or problematic, it will eventually be viewed by people I disagree with.

Regardless, why should I let the paranoia of something that can't be controlled dictate what I create? If you're gonna walk on eggshells around your own creative process in fear of something that is ultimately impossible to avoid, you're fighting a losing battle. Stop focusing on things out of your control and policing yourself, and try instead to moderate your own personal space. Blocking accounts is the first thing to do and you can even filter tags if you want to, but never, under no circumstance, kill your art for anyone.

#anti censorship #proship #profic #proship please interact #proship positivity #pro ship #pro fic #discourse #my post

[1merfairy]

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#5

🦀 time for crab 🦀

today i summoned 170 crabs! look at them!

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7 notes - Posted April 1, 2022

#4

Me in the morning: Uuuuuhgggggg I'm so borrrrred!!! Nothing is interesting smh

Me at 2:00 am: LOOK AT BLORBO FROM MY SHOWS!!! MY BRAIN IS LIKE SODA IN A PAINT SHAKER THINKING ABOUT MY BLORBOS!!!!!

7 notes - Posted March 21, 2022

#3

Fandom Writing Prompt

You know what would be an interesting crossover au? Wifeswap but with your favorite blorbos. Doesn’t necessarily have to be a housewife-type character, but it would probably make the concept more translatable into a prompt. Maybe it would work best with some kind of mentor/authority figure?

Same general rules as the show. The first week the character that crosses over has to follow the ‘rules’ of the media they’ve been transplanted into. Then, once that week is over, the person that crosses over changes the ‘rules’ and does activities they’d normally do in their source material with the other characters

Bonus points if the physics/other laws of how the world function changes with the rule change. Like jumping off a bridge results in a broken arm, and not a character comically turning into a puddle

Feel free to tag various fandoms in the tags

10 notes - Posted April 28, 2022

#2

17 notes - Posted April 1, 2022

My #1 post of 2022

Anti-Shipper’s way of arguing has a lot of similarities to the alt-right’s “Never Play Defense” style of argument

I was re-watching this video again for the sake of refreshing my memory, and noticed quite a few patterns in the ways I’ve seen antis interact with proshippers.

For one thing, antis have a tendency to place proshippers in the same box as pedophiles and MAPs. You can see this in how they often put these groups in the same bullet points in their DNIs, and use the words interchangeably in their callout posts.

These create mental shortcuts for deciding whether or not to listen to someone. And antis feel justified in making these kinds of shortcuts, because nobody wants to listen to a pedophile, lest they be drawn in by their arguments become some kind of apologist.

Very few left leaning people (at least, in my experience) want to betray survivors by listening to the enemy, and those who have experienced abuse themselves don’t want to become their abusers either.

There is this underlying fear of becoming what they hate most that drives antis to do the things they do. They will do every thing they can to fight against this fear, no matter the cost.

Some of the most passionate and vitriolic antis I’ve seen are survivors of abuse themselves. That doesn’t excuse all the suicide baiting, harassment, and doxxing, of course. Though, it does explain why they are like this.

I know a lot of proshippers on here like to characterize antis as people who can’t tell fiction from reality, and when you get to the more extreme ends of radicalization, that can be true to a certain extent.

At the very end of radicalization, it’s not that they feel like they’re saving the character from whatever ‘problematic’ piece of fiction that was made of that character.

It’s that they believe that the venn diagram between people who enjoy problematic fiction and irl abusers is a circle. Anyone who claims that they’re not irl abusers are either apologists, future abusers, or abusers that haven’t been caught yet.

It doesn’t matter whether they have proof or not. The fact that they like problematic things in fiction is a big enough red flag to (in their minds) justify any kind of harassment, suicide baiting, reports to the police, and doxxing.

This whole mindset plays into the “Never Play Defense” style of argument because antis don’t care how well thought out your argument is. It doesn’t matter how you’ve never hurt anyone irl, becuase in their eyes, you’re already guilty.

They already decided that they’re not going to listen, because they already have this idea in their heads that you’re just trying to manipulate them into falling into a slippery slope that ends with them thinking abuse is okay.

Their harassment has two purposes.

One is catharsis. That feeling of actually doing something to fight against the ‘evil’ in this world, and making the world a safer place for survivors. Of course, that’s not actually what they’re doing, but that’s what it feels like to them.

The other is to indicate to anyone who see the argument that they should put the person being accused into a box as well. They should not take anything the accused says as fact, because they are a pedophile/abuser/other bad thing, and if you give them the benefit of the doubt, then you are an apologist.

When accusations come out, antis take questions about the evidence and any attempts to get the other side of the story as an attack, and in response launch one of their own.

While some may see their screaming and ranting as a sign that they are being suspicious, others may think that the person asking the question was actually asking in bad faith in order to upset the accuser. 

I’m not saying bad faith questions don’t exist, of course. I’m saying that you cannot decide who is right and who is wrong based on emotions alone. To do that, you need a much deeper understanding of logical fallacies than buzzwords you’ve seen floating around on the internet, but that is an essay for another day.

20 notes - Posted February 18, 2022

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[locustgirl]

not to be radical or whatever, but i think that maybe calling women and queer people “pedophiles” for fanfiction is actually not the activism you think it is

#it’s almost like words have meaning #and that’s not what that means #and you’re probably harming abuse survivors #instead of protecting actual kids #tw discourse #the last of us #sebaciel #pro ship #proship #pro fiction

[transfaguette]

Fun fact you don't have to identify with the terms pro or anti you can just have opinions about things, completely independently from other people's opinions on things. In fact I really recommend it.

#coyote.txt #discourse #pro ship #anti ship #yeah im putting it in the tags