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okariaonb · 4 months
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[Good Omens] The Chattering Order of St. Beryl Presents: Unholy Night
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trashboatprince · 11 months
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Ineffable May day 26: Chattering Order
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ineffably-good · 11 months
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Ineffable May, Day 26: Chattering Order
Continuing my ephemera project, in which each prompt is shown in some throw-away piece of paper, tickets, snapshots, text conversations -- one of those transitory moments in time which are never saved but which tell big stories in their own rights. Somewhere in a drawer or a pocket of a pair of very tight pants, Crowley has this small, crumpled-up piece of paper from the night he delivered Adam Young to the nuns.
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fuckyeahgoodomens · 2 months
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S1 bts photos share in reel by Maggie Service on insta! :)
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What happened to the third baby??????
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pinimi · 9 months
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oh my god did you guys notice the table tennis playing nuns outside the bar in 1941 my girls 🥹
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ezricel · 2 years
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greyscale attempt
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im-secretly-a-frog · 7 days
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I am now not allowed to talk about Good Omens in front of my little sister because my mum thinks I'll corrupt her. Right. Did we watch the same show, Mother?
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youryurigoddess · 4 months
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A nightingale sang in the London Blitz
When exactly was that certain night, the night Aziraphale and Crowley met — and spoke for the first time in 79 years in the midst of the London Blitz?
And what’s the deal with the nightingale’s song, really?
Grab something to drink and we’ll look for some Clues below.
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The night they met
The Blitz, short for Blitzkrieg (literally: flash war) was a German aerial bombing campaign on British cities in the WW2, spanning between 7 September 1940 and 10 May 1941. The Luftwaffe attacks were carried out almost non stop, with great intensity meant to force a capitulation and similarly strong impact on British life and culture at the time.
Starting on 7 September 1940, London as the capital city was bombed for nearly 60 consecutive nights. More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged, and more than 20,000 civilians were killed, half of the total victims of this campaign.
The night of 29 December 1940 saw the most ferocity, becoming what is now known as the Second Great Fire of London. The opening shot of the S2 1941 minisode is a direct reference to recordings of that event, with the miraculously saved St Paul’s Cathedral in the upper left corner.
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The actual raid lasted between 06:15 and 09:45 PM, but its aftermath continued for days. The old and dense architecture of this particular part of the city turned into a flaming inferno larger than the Great Fire of 1666. Multiple buildings, including churches, were destroyed in just one night by over 100,000 bombs.
Incendiary bombs fell also on St Dunstan-in-the-East church that night, the real-life location of this scene as intended by Neil. It was gutted and again claimed by fire in one of the last air rides on 10 May, when the bomb destroyed the nave and roof and blew out the stained glass windows. The ruins survived to this day as a memorial park to the Blitz.
Such a delightfully Crowley thing to do: saving a bag of books with a demonic miracle adding to the biggest catastrophe for the publishing and book trade in years. 5 million volumes were lost, multiple bookshops and publishing houses destroyed in the December 29th raid alone.
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Even without this context, judging by the seemingly unending night, overwhelming cold and darkness, broken heating at the theatre, and seasonal clothing (like Aziraphale and Crowley’s extremely nice winter coats), it’s rather clear that it was the very beginning of the year 1941.
Everything suggests that Aziraphale and Crowley’s Blitz reunion happened exactly 1900 years after their meeting in Rome — which, according to the script book, took place between 1 and 24 January 41 (Crowley was right: emperor Caligula was a mad tyrant and didn't need any additional tempting; there's a reason why he was murdered by his closest advisors, including members of his Praetorian Guard, on 24 January 41).
Interestingly, both events involved a role reversal in their otherwise stable dynamic, with Aziraphale spontaneously taking the lead instead of letting the demon be the one to do all the tempting and saving, and ended with a toast.
The S2 Easter Egg with the nuns of the Chattering Order of St Beryl playing table tennis at the theatre suggests that the Blitz meeting happened on a Tuesday afternoon, which doesn’t match any of the above mentioned days, but sets the in-universe date for 7 January 1941 or later.
The Chattering Order of Saint Beryl is under a vow to emulate Saint Beryl at all times, except on Tuesday afternoons, for half an hour, when the nuns are permitted to shut up, and, if they wish, to play table tennis.
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The nightingale
January means one thing: absolutely no migratory birds in Europe yet. They’re blissfully wintering in the warm sun of Northern Africa at the time. But, ironically, when the real nightingales flew off, a certain song about them suddenly gained popularity in the West End of London.
It might be a shock, but A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square wasn’t a hit from the start — even though its creators, Eric Maschwitz and Manning Sherwin, were certainly established in their work at this point. The song was written in the then-small French fishing village of Le Lavandou shortly before the outbreak of the Second World War with first performance in the summer of 1939 in a local bar, where the melody was played on piano by the composer Manning Sherwin with the help of the resident saxophonist. Maschwitz sang his lyrics while holding a glass of wine, but nobody seemed impressed. It took time and a small miracle to change that.
Next year, the 23-year-old actress Judy Campbell had planned to perform a monologue of Dorothy Parker’s in the upcoming Eric Maschwitz revue „New Faces”. But somehow the script had been mislaid and, much to her horror, replaced with the song A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square. She had never professed to be a singer but even so, she gathered her courage and went out onto the moonlit set dressed in a white ball gown. Her heartfelt rendition of the now evocative ballad captured the audience’s imagination and catapulted her West End career to stardom.
It was precisely 11 April 1940 at the Comedy Theatre in Panton Street and the revue itself proved to be a great success — not only it kept playing two performances nightly through the Blitz, but also returned the next year. And the still operating Comedy Theatre is mere five minutes on foot from the Windmill Theatre, where Aziraphale performed in 1941, and not much longer from his bookshop.
Now, most Good Omens meta analyses focus on Vera Lynn’s version of the song from 5 June 1940, but it didn’t get much attention until autumn, specifically 15 November, when Glenn Miller and his orchestra published another recording. And Glenn Miller himself is a huge point of reference in Good Omens 2.
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According to the official commentary the infamous credits scene is establishing Aziraphale and Crowley’s final resolve for the next season using the same narrative device The Glenn Miller Story (1954) does in its most crucial scene. It starts with the tune (and audio in general) totally flat, then adds a piano on one side, and gradually becomes fully multidimensional. The Good Omens credits not only emulate the same sound effect, but bring it to the visual side of the narrative by literally combining the individual perspectives of the two characters together. Even though they’re physically apart, their resolve — and love to each other — brings them even closer than before. Aziraphale smiles not because he’s being brainwashed, but because he knows exactly what to do next.
Some of you might have noticed that Tori Amos’s performance for Good Omens is actually a slightly shortened version of Miller’s recording — much less sorrowful than Vera Lynn’s full lyrics that include i.a. this bridge:
The dawn came stealing up
All gold and blue
To interrupt our rendez-vous
I still remember how you smiled and said
Was that a dream or was it true?
Which is a huge hint when it comes to what we can expect from the main romantic plot line in the Good Omens series. The original song introduces an element of the doubt — it seems like there was no nightingale at all, only the mirage woven by the singer clearly intoxicated with love, much like Aziraphale and Crowley for the length of the last six episodes. Crowley’s comment in the season finale might allude to that interpretation, stating that there are no nightingales — never have been. It was all a dream. But the version we’re working with here is short and sweet, and devoid of that doubt. In the Good Omens universe angels were actually dining at the Ritz, the streets were truly paved with stars (or will be shown as such in the next season), and a nightingale really sang in Berkeley Square, as the omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent narrator, God Herself, had shown us.
All in all, it’s not an accident that the “modern” swing ballad activating Aziraphale’s memory and opening the 1941 minisode is the Moonlight Serenade by Glenn Miller. It’s a track naturally associated with A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square when it comes to music style and the sentiment in the lyrics.
But why the sudden popularity? In the great uncertainty and hardship of the Blitz, A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square provided solace and escapism for listeners, offering a glimpse of hope and love amidst the darkness of war. It became a universal anthem of resilience and a reminder of the power of love transcending difficulties. By January 1941 the whole city knew this tune by heart, including a certain West End aficionado with a cabinet full of theatre programs in his bookshop. Thanks to Maggie’s grandmother, he most probably had a record at hand to play during his spontaneous wine night with Crowley. We can only suspect the details, but it was was mutually established as their song exactly at that time or soon afterwards. Pretty sure we will see a third installment of that minisode for many, many reasons, but especially because of this “several days in 1941” answer by Neil:
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The Man Hunt
In 1941 A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square gained even more popularity as the romantic theme of the Fritz Lang’s newest film Man Hunt. The 1939 story by Geoffrey Household first appeared under the title “Rogue Male” as a serial in the Atlantic Monthly Magazine where it received widespread comment, soon becoming a world-wide phenomenon in novel form. Its premise criticizes Britain's pre-war policy of appeasement with Germany, ready to sacrifice its own innocent citizens to the tentative status quo. Sounds a bit like Heaven's politics, right?
Yes, I'm trying to make you watch old movies again — like all the other classics, Man Hunt (1941) is easily available on YouTube and other streaming websites.
The next part will include spoilers, so scroll down to the next picture if you prefer to avoid them.
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The plot of the movie seems simple enough: the tall, dark, and handsome Alan Thorndike, who nearly assassinates Hitler, narrowly escapes Germany and back in London continues to evade the Nazi agents sent after him with the help of a young trench-clad “seamstress” named Jerry, bridging the class divide and becoming unlikely friends-partners-romantic interests. It doesn’t end well though.
Jerry's small London apartment serves as a hideout for Alan when he was being followed by Nazis, similarly to how Aziraphale's bookshop is a safe haven for both Crowley and Gabriel in S2. She helps the man navigate the streets and eventually out of London — by sacrificing herself and getting forcefully separated from him by a patrolling policeman. The last time they see each other, Alan watches Jerry look back at him yearningly and disappear in the fog, followed by the elderly officer.
Unfortunately in the next scene we learn that the latter is a Nazi collaborator and helps the agents apprehend Jerry in her own flat. Staying loyal to her love and uncooperative, she’s ultimately thrown out of a window to her death, but posthumously saves Alan once again — through the arrow-shaped hatpin he gifted her earlier that is presented to him as the evidence of her off-screen fate.
Long story short, thanks to Jerry’s sacrifice Alan not only survives, but is able to join the war that broke out in the meantime and go back to Germany, armed with a rifle and a final resolve to end what he started, no matter how long will it take. The justice will be served and the dictator will pay with his life for his sins.
I wouldn’t be myself without mentioning that the main villain has a Roman chariot statue similar to the one in Aziraphale’s bookshop, an antique sculpture of St Sebastian (well-known as the gayest Catholic Saint) foreshadowing his demise, and a chess set symbolizing the titular manhunt/game of tag with the protagonist.
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Aziraphale’s song
Will Aziraphale sacrifice himself as well? Or has he already? If his coin magic trick can be any indicator, we should expect at least a shadow of a danger touching the angel’s wings soon.
Let’s sum up the 1941 events from Aziraphale’s perspective: the very first time they’ve interacted after almost a century, Crowley actively sabotaged his entire existence twice by stepping onto a holy ground and by being outed by agents of Hell, both on the very same night and both because of his undying dedication to the angel. That’s enough of a reason not only for performing an apology dance, but also maintaining a careful distance for Crowley’s sake for the next 26 years. Only when he heard that his idiot was planning to rob a church, he gave up since he “can't have him risking his life”.
That’s when Crowley, sitting in a car parked right under his bookshop, offered him a ride. It wasn’t even subtle anymore. It was supposed to be a date, this time both of them understood it. But Aziraphale wouldn’t risk Crowley’s safety for his own happiness, especially not when he can name his feelings towards him and knows that they are reciprocated — the biggest lesson he learnt back in 1941.
So he did what he’s best at, he cut Crowley off again, but this time with a promise of catching up to his speed at some point. Buddy Holly’s Everyday, which was originally planned to play afterwards instead of the Good Omens theme, adds additional context here:
No, thank you. Oh, don’t look so disappointed. Perhaps one day we could... I don't know… Go for a picnic. Dine at the Ritz.
Aziraphale, carefully looking around and feeling observed through the whole conversation in the Bentley, consciously used the “Dine at the Ritz” line from A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square, from their song, as a code only the two of them understand. Not as a suggestion to go out for a meal, but a promise. A hope for the privilege of being openly in love and together — maybe someday, not now, when it’s too dangerous — even if it leads to a bad ending.
Fast forward to 2023 when for one dreadful moment Crowley’s “No nightingales” robbed Aziraphale even of that semblance of hope. He looked away, unable to stop his tears anymore. Only their kiss helped him pull himself together and make sure that a nightingale did sing the last time he turned — just like in their song — this time without a smile, as a goodbye.
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Good Omens - Behind the Scenes at Tadfield Manor
Excerpt from The Nice and Accurate Good Omens TV Companion:
Eleven years later, on his return to the scene of the diabolical switcheroo, this time with Aziraphale in tow, Crowley finds himself in a very different setting. Gone are the Satanic Nuns of the Chattering Order of St. Beryl’s and their movements in the shadows. Now, with St. Beryl’s never having risen from the ashes, they find the building transformed. Instead, the demon and his angelic associate walk into Tadfield Manor, which has been converted into a venue for office teambuilding away days. Across the manor grounds, an interdepartmental paintball skirmish is in full swing. Naturally, in the presence of such entities, the exercise becomes something altogether more dangerous and deadly.
“Michael Ralph [production designer] did a fantastic job of transforming the forecourt outside the building by dressing it as a battle zone,” says [first assistant director] Cesco Reidy. “We had military vehicles, camouflage nets and an obstacle course. It really was fit for purpose as an adventure playground for grown-ups with guns.”
In order to make the most of the conflict and the chaos that ensues, Douglas Mackinnon and the director of photography, Gavin Finney, called in the high-speed Phantom camera.
“You see it used on football replays, shooting a ridiculous number of frames per second,” explains script supervisor Jemima Thomas. “We wanted to see the paintballs flying as Crowley and Aziraphale walk through in super slow mo, and we staged and choreographed it carefully so they didn’t get splattered.”
While the pair depart without a mark on them, leaving bedlam in their wake, there’s no escaping the enormity of the task they face. For the Antichrist is missing, and Armageddon a matter of days away.
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rareomens · 2 months
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Rare Omens Comment Fest 2024 continues! Day 25-27, we’re asking you to leave comments on fanworks that feature: Series 1 + Series 2 Characters!
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Adam Young, Brian, Wensleydale, Pepper, Dog, Warlock, Hastur, Ligur, Sandalphon, Anathema Device, Newton Pulsifer, Sergeant Shadwell, Madame Tracy, Death, Pollution, Famine, War, Lucifer/Satan, Agnes Nutter, Witchfinder General Thou-Shalt-Not-Commit-Adultery Pulsifer, Sister Mary Loquacious, Sister Theresa Garrulous, Mother Superior, The Chattering Order of St. Beryl, Lesley the International Express Man, Maud, Arthur Young, Deirdre Young, Harriet Dowling, Thaddeus Dowling, RP Tyler, Mr. Scroggie, Beryl Ormerod, Ron Ormerod, Julia Petley, Giles Baddicombe, Spike, Sally, Adam, Eve, Hell’s Usher, Quartermaster Angel
Series 2 Only:
Nina, Maggie, Muriel, Saraqael, Shax, Furfur, Job, Sitis, Jemima, Keziah, Ennon, Elspeth, Wee Morag, Mr. Dalrymple, Mrs. Henderson, The Ladies of Camelot, Pat the Magician, Mr. Brown, Mrs. Sandwich, Mutt, Mutt’s Spouse, Justine, Mrs. Cheng, Mr. Arnold
Feel free to check out our AO3 collection, Rare_Omens: https://archiveofourown.org/collections/Rare_Omens
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borninwinter81 · 1 month
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Etsy shop - Satanic rosaries!
One of my best friends has recently become a member of The Satanic Temple. I'm sure that most reading this will be aware but to make matters clear to those who aren't, The Satanic Temple do not believe that the "Devil" is real, but they celebrate the character of Satan as an archetypal rebel. They also undertake a great deal of humanitarian work and are pro LGBT, pro abortion rights, and so on.
My friend has begun a small Etsy business making Satanic rosaries. She has changed the number of beads from those traditionally used in rosaries to 42 - 6 sets of 6, with 6 more single separator beads.
She's made a few of these in tribute to the band Ghost, who she loves.
Her shop doesn't have much stock at the moment but she is in the process of making more, and she's more than happy to discuss custom orders with different beads, bead caps, metals, medallion images and pendants. I've seen her supplies, she has a vast array of choices!
I'm sure she'd be willing to make Crowley or Chattering Order of St Beryl themed ones for you Good Omens fans out there.
You don't have to be a Satanist to buy these, you just need an appreciation of beautiful and unusual jewellery 😉
UK based.
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ashbunny2027 · 1 month
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The Chattering Order of St. Beryl - Brand New Baby Smell | Prime Video
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YouTube is just the gift that keeps on giving today! How does this piece of excellence have so few likes&views?!
It's worth a view for the cheeky @neil-gaiman cameo
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fuckyeahgoodomens · 7 months
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Hiyaaaa this is very random
Back in the day after season 1 got released there was a website for the chattering order of saint beryl, it was really eerie but it was fun to visit to scare your friends hehe
Why did it get deleted? (Or is it still around?)
Hiya! :) There is still this site and there was also chatteringorderofstberyl.com but that is no longer working - but it is archived a bit here! :). Why it's no longer working - well my guess that as it was part of the promotion for S1 the domain was paid like for a year and then not paid further as promo time for S1 was over.
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ratsalad · 9 months
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all good omens flashbacks in chronological order
put this together hastily using this screenrant article and the wikipedia page. while this list has all the aziraphale+crowley flashbacks in chronological order, i may have missed a few that don't involve them. season 2 flashbacks in green.
"Before the beginning" - Crowley creates the universe.
4004 B.C., Sunday, October 21, 9:13 a.m. - The creation of the universe, according to God.
4004 B.C., "just after the beginning" - Eve plucks the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden; Crowley and Aziraphale have their first on-screen interaction.
3004 B.C., Mesopotamia - Crowley and Aziraphale witness the events of Noah's Ark, revealing that unicorns once existed.
2500 B.C., Land of Uz - Crowley is sent to torment Job.
33 A.D., Golgotha - Crowley and Aziraphale watch as Jesus gets crucified.
41 A.D., Rome - Crowley and Aziraphale get drinks together.
537 A.D., Kingdom of West Essex - Crowley and Aziraphale discuss the possibility of playing a less active role in the Apocalypse.
1601, Globe Theatre, London - Crowley and Aziraphale meet William Shakespeare. Shakespeare steals a line of dialogue from Crowley that he'll eventually use in Antony and Cleopatra; Crowley performs a miracle by making Hamlet popular.
1656, Lancashire, England - England's last witch burning. The witch named Agnes Nutter thwarts Witchfinder Major Pulsifer when he attempts to burn her at the stake.
1793, Paris - Aziraphale escapes prison during the French Revolution's Reign of Terror.
1824, Edinburgh - Aziraphale and Crowley encounter a poor grave robber and find the line between good and bad deeds on Earth isn’t always clear.
1862, St. James Park, London - Crowley requests holy water from Aziraphale for assurance in case anything goes wrong.
1941, London – (S1) Aziraphale meets Nazis in a church, bringing books of prophecy for Hitler, only to double-cross them. Despite the pain of standing on consecrated ground, Crowley comes to Aziraphale's rescue. (S2) The three Nazis are resurrected as zombies. Aziraphale and Crowley perform their magic trick.
1967, Soho, London - Crowley meets Lance Corporal Shadwell. Crowley attempts to steal holy water from a church; Aziraphale is worried, so he gets Crowley holy water himself.
"Eleven Years Ago" (circa 2008) - Dukes of Hell, Hastur and Ligur, hand over the Antichrist to Crowley, who then delivers the baby to The Chattering Order of St. Beryl. The Antichrist is then misplaced, being sent to live with Deirdre and Arthur Young, while their actual child, Warlock, is sent to live with Thaddeus and Harriet Dowling. Unaware of the mistake, Crowley and Aziraphale agree to attempt preventing Armageddon from behind the scenes by coaching the boy they assume is the Antichrist.
Five Years Later, Six Years Before the End of the World (circa 2013) - Crowley disguises himself as Warlock's nanny, while Aziraphale disguises himself as the Dowlings' gardener.
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sflow-er · 9 months
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After reading The Magic Trick You Didn't See, the essay by @ariaste, I've got some thoughts on Maggie and Nina (well, mostly Maggie) that I kind of want to write down to make sense of them. I'm putting them under the cut to spare anyone who isn't interested in GO2 or hasn't seen it yet and doesn't want to be spoiled.
[Before I start rambling, I want to stress that I haven't really been active enough in the GO tag to know if a similar theory has already been presented. Also, I realise I could be way off the mark here, this is pure speculation!]
So to recap the basic premise of the essay mentioned above, much of what we see in GO2 could have been altered by the Metatron using the Book of Life, aka. the Chekov's gun that never went off. I'm not sure if I subscribe to every aspect of that theory (for example, I do think that wee Morag really died, and that it's possible Aziraphale only started drinking alcohol in the 1900s, although I'll admit some of the bits where he turns it down are harder to explain than others).
What I do fully agree on is that Maggie often feels more like a character than a real person in this fictional world. Something about her just feels off. The essay cites many great examples, such as her abrupt mood swings and her uncanny valley reactions (especially her line at the ball, about how suddenly knowing the steps is "just what we do", and her zoning out right before the demons attack and then suddenly starting to antagonise them).
Anyway, this got me thinking. If Maggie was a character written by the Metatron, why and when would he have started writing her in the first place?
Well, what if there was cleanup to be done after Adam fixed things at the end of GO1? All the events of that week were altered, but what about everything that happened before? Because that's the thing that jumps out to me about his line to the Devil: "You're not my father, and you never were." Meaning he also altered the past.
Which begs the question, if Adam was never the Antichrist, what became of The Chattering Order of St Beryl? Did it ever exist at all? Did Hastur still destroy the convent and kill most of the nuns? After all, the book says their sole purpose in existing was to deliver the Antichrist - who never was, as of the end of GO1.
Keep in mind that the burning of the convent happened eleven years before the events of GO1. I assume there would be a lot more paperwork involved in bringing to life people who already moved on from the earthly plain over a decade ago. They wouldn't even have a life to come back to, which is where the Book of Life could come in.
Now, I know Neil has said that Maggie and Nina are not the same people as Sister Theresa and (Sister) Mary in GO1...but that would still hold true even if they were just altered versions of themselves.
I'm not sure about Mary/Nina. It's possible that Adam himself changed her, as she was still alive at the time of the shift. Maybe her parents didn't raise her as Satanist after all (as they did in the book), or they didn't give her a biblical name like Mary, or she changed it. Or perhaps Nina was always her real name, but she became Mary when she took her vows and kept it when she became Mary Hodges. Perhaps this is what her life would have looked like if she never joined the Order.
It's also just as possible that she really is a different person who simply looks the same, much like Beelzebub is the same person who simply looks different. Either way, she remains a real human person.
As for Theresa/Maggie... Well, we don't know how she was raised, or if Theresa was her real name, or anything else really. I don't think that matters as much either, because the main point is that she already died 11 years ago.
It's mentioned time and again that people can't just be resurrected willy-nilly, and it's left quite unclear how Adam's powers worked, exactly. Perhaps God told the Metatron to smooth over the ripples (after all, the whole thing was part of Her plan all along, and She usually leaves it to the angels to implement Her plans). The Metatron then decided it was easier to make up new characters based on the people who died years ago than to truly bring them back to life, much like the angels in the Job minisode figured that giving him seven new children was even better than resurrecting the old three.
And since the Metatron was creating Maggie anyway and had the power to write her a completely different life, why not take the chance to also place her close to Aziraphale? The Metatron plays a much more intricate game than most of the angels, and he's extremely committed to seeing the plans through. Surely it would occur to him to keep tabs on the dangerous rebel who consorted with a demon and played a big part in stopping the first part of Armageddon, in case the two of them tried to meddle in the second part as well.
So, by a few strokes of the Metatron's heavenly pen (or keyboard), Aziraphale is suddenly Maggie's landlord in GO2. Of course, it's normal for shows to introduce new characters by making existing ones act like they were there all along...but if we accept the premise that Maggie isn't actually real, Aziraphale never even mentioning his tenant when the bookshop burned down and the world was about to end in GO1 definitely works in our favour.
Anyway. I'm not sure how serious I even am about this theory - it only just came to me this morning, and I wanted to write it down to get it out of my head. So if you disagree or think it's too farfetched, that's totally fair!
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